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Thursday, November 19th, 2009 at 9:00 am  |  135 responses

Report: Miami Enters the Iverson Derby

by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

It’s really amazing if you think about it. Here’s a guy who has now left two consecutive teams on horrible terms (the last one being an out-and-out disaster), and yet when he becomes an unrestricted free agent later on today, there will be no shortage of suitors

For what it’s worth, Larry Brown is putting in a good word for The Answer around the League. Actually, it might be worth something, as the Knicks aren’t the only ones reportedly “hot” after Allen Iverson.

It seems that Pat Riley and the Miami Heat are also interested.

From the NY Daily News:

Donnie Walsh said Wednesday night that the Knicks have yet to make a final decision on whether to sign Allen Iverson but the Knicks president hinted that the club is leaning strongly in that direction.

Iverson, a former MVP, is expected to clear waivers at 6 p.m. today and will become an unrestricted free agent. The Knicks could have competition from Miami, who according to a person close to Iverson said the team is “hot” after him.

If one were to guess — which is really all that can be done at this point — New York would appear to be the favorite to acquire A.I.’s services. He’d be the undisputed alpha dog on that team, an obvious impossibility in Miami, where Iverson would also have to battle for minutes at both guard spots.

Whatever the case, we’ll be finding out very soon what the next chapter of Allen Iverson’s life and career looks like.

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  • http://twitter.com/manueii manueii

    I’m sorry, but if miami gets him, and he complains. He will be forced to retire. I think he needs time off to think who and what he is. Until then I don’t think anyone should sign him.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Don’t believe the hype like Chuck D said.

  • http://slamonline.com deshawn

    mavs,anyone??they have the most horrific starting backcourt in the L(ok,after the nets minus devin,ok and the wolves..)plus the leadership to make it work..

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I just HOPE that every coach or management type that looks AI’s way recognises that, regardless of WHICH team he gets sined by…HE WANTS TO START… its that simple.

    he. wants. to. start.

  • luv2ball

    Two ball dominant guards in the backcourt, plus Beasley. hahahaha I guess Miami is trying to fill those empty seats

  • http://showmeyourwits.blogspot.com Showmeyourwits

    This kinda makes sense since they wanted him this summer, but it seems like Chalmers is getting better. Why throw that off, or even worse, try to get AI to come off the bench?

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    I want a backcourt of Wade and Iverson. It will either work and there will be fireworks or Wade and Iverson will hate each other and there will be fireworks. I love this game!

  • LeoneL

    AI to the Knicks…Both parties ain’t got nothing to lose.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    If he wanted to start, I wouldn’t have a problem with Chalmers coming off the bench. He ain’t doing anything offensivley as it is. Spoelstra can’t figure out how to get other guys the ball in productive spots now, so I can’t see how he be able to find shots for JO, Beasley, Allen and Dwyane. It just wouldn’t happen. UNLESS………he moves Beasley back to the bench, has Haslem start (who doesn’t need plays run for him and then it’s just a matter of JO getting touches early to open the floor up a bit and have Wade and AI work out of high pick and rolls that they run already for Wade and let AI be AI when Wade goes to the bench for his 8-10 minutes a game. I still say they really aren’t interested, though.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Although…………Riley did say that if AI could have been available on the cheap back in September that he would have had “definite” interest….so…he can’t come any cheaper than right now, can he? Hmmm…..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Dude, if AI goes to the Knicks to start (and MAYBE win 30 games this season) instead of the Heat, a legit playoff team, just because he doesn’t want to come off the bench, that will be the PERFECT definition of his entire career…not willing to sacrifice minutes/stats to get wins.

  • JOMAY

    Shut Up EBOY

  • rikson

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO… Never touch a running system!

  • RedRum

    hehe! How good are agents and reporters!! suddenly AI became the hottest player in the L. Are you kidding me? The guy is done, deal with it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Um, derby? Wouldn’t that imply that theres some sort of bidding war? And is there a more sure fire way to drive AI out of town than bringing in AI? Im sure Wade respects his accomplishments and all, but I also dount he wants to share the floor with him. They both dominate the ball and he shouldnt-and wouldnt-be the one to give in.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Bad fit on all levels.

  • rikson

    Plus: The heat could sign a massive free agent – no need for this experiment – itll just slow down chalmers development!

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Sooner or later it all comes crashing down……

  • http://norml.com jbn74sb

    The Lakers should consider signing him to bring him off the bench and keep Fisher’s minutes to less than 10 a night.

  • cramzy

    ai need to look at what Jamal Crawford is bringing to the table in ATL and head to Miami. I agree with Wayno; Going to NY over Mia reiterates what everyone been saying about AI from the jump. If he wants to win he will go down to Mia, play 30 mins a night and dominate the second units with Udonis…and yes Im a miami fan slash AI & Dwade stan…and I already play with them as my backcourt on 2k10. Make it happen Riles!

  • Forrest Crunk

    How could anyone honestly say that AI is done? This is ridiculous. At no time did the man ever show that he couldn’t play “the game of basketball” anymore, rather he was traded last year and told he would be starting, then bristled at having to go to the bench; was this a good look for him? Was he justified in acting like a baby in that instance? Absolutely not. However, he was still a productive player in limited minutes, as he started to show this year, and any player with his ability would be angry having to back up the man known as Mike Conley. Chris Duhon himself would be angry having to come off the bench behind such an inept player, especially for a sad-sack team like the Grizzlies, and for a rookie coach who seems more intent on putting his foot down than actually trying to win games.
    Allen Iverson is not the AI of old, but he is still a dynamic scorer, an unheralded passer, and in his current mindset I believe would be the kind of player that would do whatever it takes to get his legacy back on track as the best little man in NBA history. A horrible team like NY would instantly be boosted by a player of his ability, and at a crucial time with 2010 looming on the horizon.
    Perhaps he wouldn’t be as good of a fit with Miami but you can bet your life that AI is going to have a different attitude playing behind a proven superstar like Wade, and let’s face it Mario Chalmers is no Mike Conley. I actually think he would be a good fit for them provided he swallows his pride, which I think will be easier to do for a winning, well-coached squad, any man with comparable accolades and talent would be unhappy with the situations he has been left in these last couple of stops.
    This next venture, wherever it may be, will be the true test of exactly what Allen has left; if he bungles this then all the hate thrown his way will be justified and his legacy unquestionably tarnished, until then I am rooting for him to get things going again and prove he that he is not “done”, but entering the next chapter of an incredible NBA career.

  • Hoodsnake

    The only way Al goes to Miami is after an attitude transplant and then he must have his head surgically removed from his a$$

  • http://www.MySpace.com/TheRealXPThaKinG X.P. Tha KinG

    Are These People Really Serious?????

  • http://www.MySpace.com/TheRealXPThaKinG XPThaKinG

    WOW! Are These People Serious????

  • tavoris

    Kramzy, with all due respect to Crawford, he has already gotten more minutes off the bench than AI did in Detroit adn Memphis COMBINED.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    As long as a team lets him start, go ahead. And by that I mean, if they don’t let him start, he’ll just whine and leave the team for “personal reasons” again.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    i don’t see this happening. Iverson is going to be sitting out for a while.

  • Forrest Crunk

    niQ: this will not happen for an established winning squad, guaranteed. It’s a lot easier to deal with sixth-man when you’re stacking up W’s, it is unquestionably hard to do when a team continues to lose games where you feel like you could be a factor in helping your team win.

  • rikson

    “Kramzy, with all due respect to Crawford, he has already gotten more minutes off the bench than AI did in Detroit adn Memphis COMBINED.” -> And whats the reason for that??? It was reported that AI killed the chemistry in MEM from day one… but I know, its always the fault of others, right?

  • rikson

    And after the first and second tests, here comes the third one, which is the only true of them all… some people never learn!

  • rikson

    where is my comment?

  • cramzy

    tavoris, that’s my point. What’s soured AI on accepting that role is that he doesn’t get sufficient minutes or floor time when the game is on the line. I just see Spoelstra handling it better than Curry or Hollins. And if they’re winning, AI gotta chill. It’s difficult to be backing up Conley & Stuckey when you’re losing.

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    Forrest Crunk: He wasn’t told he would start. He was told he would be able to fight for the starting spot. That’s all.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Rikson
    Where was it reported that Iverson soured chemistry?
    What “chemistry?”
    Rudy Gay and OJ Mayo hate each other. Mike Conley has never played well. Zack Randolph still doesn’t play defense and is pretty much a black hole.
    What chemistry?
    You are just making crap up?
    Iverson had a problem with the coach, no doubt. But what chemistry did he sour?

  • ball4life

    AI is still filthy. He’s gonna be in League til he’s 50. He can still dunk over Lebron

  • riggs

    Memphis was already a mess before iverson got there. granted he didnt the help the situation.

  • rikson

    @AllenP: It was repeatedly mentioned during games… do you watch ball?

  • rikson

    AI is just done! Believe it… He lost his ability to get by his man, and he cant survive with his J alone!

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    Allen where is the report that Mayo and Gay hate each other?

  • TheBIG3

    Why anyone, especially a contender like the heat would want this old washed up whiner amazes me. you bring him in and all you get is some jersey sales, bitching on the bench and the lockerroom and a dude who just wants to chuck up shots

  • ball4life

    JUKAI….YOUR GAY!

  • tavoris

    I think he is, Allenp. Funny that Marcus Williams is now getting the minutes that Hollins refused to give Iverson. personal problems brought on by a lack of communication…kinda looks like it.

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    Ball4life: it’s you’re…. That’s a contraction of you are! Christ, if you’re going to insult me, at least do it without sounding like a retard!

  • tavoris

    Jukai, all you have to do it watch how they not-play together. I don’t think that Mayo hates Gay, but Gay is clearly frustrated with how Mayo became top banana in memphis from the day he arrived.

  • ball4life

    WOW! Jukai. Who says we have to use propper grammar on Comments? U damn NERD!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Rikson
    I have League Pass and watched all THREE of the games Iverson played in. Since he didn’t practice in training camp or play in the preaseason, which other games are you talking about?
    Did you watch the games? How about the game against e Warriors hen Iverson was absolutely dominating, yet Hollings decided to still give Conley big minutes. Did you konw that in 22 minutes per game Iverson was shooting like 57 percent?
    Your chemistry argument is some crap you’re regurgitating from other folks. You have no basis for it, because the only available sample proves you wrong.
    Jukai
    If you watch Grizzlies games, which I have, it’s obvious they hate each other. Plus, they have had several publicized conflicts both on the bench and in the locker room.

  • TheBIG3

    hey guys lets keep the comments focused on AI. I think he sucks and any team that picks him up wants to destroy the team chemistry

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Rikson
    Iverson has definitely slowed down.
    Your point?
    What does that have to do with the mystical chemistry the Grizzlies had that Iverson ruined?
    Who said he ruined chemistry, the home team announcers for the team? The same team that’s now 2-9?
    You sir, pulled some wackness out of your behind, and now you don’t want to admit it. Man up and admit that your bias against Iverson led you to believe that it was inevitable that he ruined chemistry, and admit you just ran with that idea. There is no proof, just your bias.

  • http://www.myspace.com/reignMD Reign

    A.I. can still ball, but his attitude is straight garbage! Any team that is in playoff contention is knocking themselves right out of the box by signing him. With that said, it might be the only way Knicks fans will continue to pay to watch that sorry team.

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    Memphis teammates O.J. Mayo and Rudy Gay got into a shouting match near the end of the team’s loss to Denver on Sunday night.
    Mayo scored a career-high 40 points, but the Grizzlies lost 133-123.
    The incident took place during a timeout late in the fourth quarter. Gay took exception when Mayo made a strong comment about his teammates not getting back on defense, according to the Memphis Commercial Appeal.
    Grizzlies coach Lionel Hollins and a number of players stepped in to separate the two players.
    “I told them to shut up so we can get on with the rest of the game,” Hollins said. “It’s not about you. It’s about us trying to win a game. We can’t stand here with you guys going back and forth. It was a heat-of-the-moment incident. They get along. They’re just competitors. They both want to succeed.”
    After the game both Mayo and Gay said that the incident was “nothing.”
    ———————————–
    Damn, crazy stuff.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    That’s the second time in two years they’ve had words on the bench, if I’m not mistaken. There is also talk of them having problems in the locker room.
    Now, this could just be rumors, but it’s obvious when you watch them play that they aren’t big fans of each other. Like Tavoris, I think it’s mainly coming from Rudy Gay who seems a bit desperate to get his shine. The Grizzlies did refuse to pay him this summer, and we all know that isn’t happening when OJ comes up for his extension.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    No wonder Rudy Gay didn’t sign that extension.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Rudy should come to Detroit. We seem to have an affinity for former UCon players.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    *UConn

  • tavoris

    Jukai, of course those headlines (which give more of the picture) aren’t NEARLY as widely seen as the “Iverson is upset with minutes” headlines that make him look like he’s the SOLE team/coach-killer in the NBA.

  • ball4life

    Whos better AI or Jammal Crawford????

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    Tavoris: that’s partially because, when confronted about it, Gay and Mayo both downplayed it and pretended it didn’t happen. Iverson brought up the fact he wasn’t getting playing time about three times than began getting pissed at reporters for bringing it up constantly afterwards. Lebron-syndrome, I call it.
    Iverson didn’t really do anything to Memphis’ team chemistry. I mean, how could he? I heard reports about how cool Iverson came off to some of the younger kids. In that hellhole of a locker room, he probably only helped. People just see what happened in Detroit and they just say the same crap without any research.
    Iverson could have generally helped the Grizzlies, but it just wasn’t in the MO of the owner.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ball4Life
    Right now Crawford is playing better. For their career, it ain’t even close.

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    Also, no one really cares about Rudy Gay and OJ Mayo so that helps quiet the story too.

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    Also, on a complete side-note, breaking news from The Onion Sports center: Lakers Players Claim Kobe Bryant’s Groin Is Tender To The Touch

  • ball4life

    Jukai. U have NO idea what you’re talking about. So stop commenting……Homo!

  • Jake

    Uhh,how come when I went to post a comment Jukai’s email address was already in the mail line?Miami would be awesome!

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    Jake, who knows, but drop me an e-mail sometime!

  • Forrest Crunk

    Jukai: if he was fighting for a spot, then i think he unquestionably earned it over Mike Conley with his play. Granted he was injured, but he was not told by Hollins “we just want you to get well before we throw you out there”; he was told (by omission apparently, according to Iverson Hollins didn’t even consult him on the issue) that Mike Conley would be starting and that there would be no competition. Couple that with some frustrating losses and you have a pissed off athlete, especially when he’s a former MVP and one of the NBA’s career leading scorers who has not yet proven that he can’t play. I’m not saying he handled the situation admirably, rather I can understand why he would be upset and am not ready to call it a career for him just yet.

  • ball4life

    Who thinks Jukai is Gay???

  • Brian

    I would start AI at the 2 and bring Wade off the bench.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why, you interested in him?

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    Forrest Crunk: That was not Hollins who said that. That was the owner who said Conley would be starting no matter what. Then the owner said “Hollins can decide what to do.”
    Did you ever stop to ponder that, if Iverson had stuck around for a couple more games, he may have gotten that starting spot? Or at least been the finisher?

  • tavoris

    ball4life…he annoys me to no end, but that has NOTHING to do with this topic, dude.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Relax, my entourage. Just ignore him.

  • ball4life

    Brian. WTF how could d. wade come off the bench??? he’s an all star

  • tavoris

    Jukai, Hollins made it clear when he didn’t even discuss Iverson’s role with him that he wasn’t gonna budge.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Tavoris, I believe his statements were that he wasn’t going to ‘immediately’ bring Allen off the bench. In other words, because Iverson said he wanted to start, that wasn’t going to be the case.
    Obviously, Conley is in the dog house (ESPECIALLY since he has made Memphis look terrible by sucking so much) so Iverson could easily chipped away at his minutes slowly but surely.
    And I would even say Iverson might have done that if Iverson wasn’t dealing with so much family issues at the time.

  • tavoris

    he also said that he and Iver never discussed Iverson’s role. And he also said “My door is open if Iverson wants to talk”. Why not BE A COACH and tell the player what you expect of him, so said player won’t have justification to be suprised by the lack of minutes?

    Lionel Hollins sux as a coach, because he should have seen TEN GAMES AGO that Conley wasn’t getting the job done.

  • slamfan4life

    Iverson+Wade=Wade to Chi

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Tavoris: As I said, Hollins is a young, stupid coach. You’re right, he should have been more active in getting in touch with Iverson, that’s a sign of a bad coach. But Iverson is a 13-year-old vet, and IVERSON should have also gone and talked to Hollins about his role because Iverson should know better. So the blame goes both ways (or 60/40 for Hollins but once again, it’s more excusable)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    maybe if iverson didn’t skip the preseason and training camp he would have had an idea of what his role is tavoris…. thats like playing HS ball, you have a senior who transfered from another school, he didn’t try out, didn’t practice with you guys, then on your first game gets butthurt because he didn’t get starters minutes because he did so well at his previous school when he has proven absolutely nothing to you as a coach personally. Being a “d-1 coach” (which we all know is a lie) you would definately understand that you can’t have a player come in and undermine your authority the first week of the season.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and iverson said he had no injury at all. so don’t try and say he was injured

  • RedRum

    AI is done, not because he is not a capable player, but because of his attitude that he wants to start. He cannot start in any winning team. Period. Unless he comes down from that cloud he is riding in which he is a starting guard for a contending team, he is done. My guess is that only a personality like Jax or Pops can convince him to be the leader of the second unit. He is an idiot not taking that chance, doing what Manu and now Crawford are doing. But unless someone shakes him off that warped vision he has of himself that he is a legitimate starter, he is done

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    That’s a damn lie.
    Wow, you just made up a damn lie.
    A hamstring tear, in which Iverson said he heard a “pop” was no injury?
    Really?
    What actually happened was that Iverson said he felt ready to play earlier than the doctors thought was advisable. So when reporters asked him if he was ready to play, he said yes, but the team didn’t want him to play.
    I can’t believe you just told that lie.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    wow your right i did. I misread an article about the injury a week ago. that injury comment is my bad. this is what i read
    “I feel 100 percent, but they’ve been telling me with this injury, that’s the way it is,” Iverson said. “You feel well and then you go out there and try to take it fifth gear and it can tear again. That’s my whole dilemma right now, but I feel good.”

    that is my fault

  • Yesse

    The same thing would just happen with Heat.Wade is starting for sure dude.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    once again my bad for the fictional comment… but the fact that he was injured, and didn’t trust his own opinion of the injury is another good reason for him to see reduced minutes. either way i think he should not have started, but should have gotten atleast 20+ minutes, and should have put time into earning a spot instead of quitting

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    NBK: Iverson actually came out and said if it was the 7th game of the Finals, he couldn’t play because he was too hurt. Wow, buddy!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah wow is right. idk what i was thinkin. i actually read that too. brain fart. oh well

  • http://Slamonline.com NUPE

    If AI wants a chance for a ring, he’ll go to Miami or maybe even start calling teams saying he’ll come off the bench for them. If he want to play (which is different than wanting a ring), then he’ll go to NY. I wouldn’t fault him either way. If he loves the game and loves to play then that’s what he should do. Memphis was the worst situation, he didn’t get a chance to play much and they didn’t win. It doesn’t/didn’t take much to see that AI should have started and gotten more minutes. Both in Detroit and Memphis the players still say they liked him and they got along. If AI doesn’t get picked up this year, unlike Starbury, somebody will take him next – when they have time to fit him into the system.

  • Reemo

    Iverson thought he was going to run Memphis and he probably would have if he had been healthy. He played three games, decided he wanted it all sooner and left. He can enjoy his time away from the team better in Miami but he ain’t going to be the top dog. And he definitely is not going to win a ring there this year

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    No problem.

  • tavoris

    Jukai, it does go both ways, but Iverson has been clear about his desired role FOR MONTHS now. i dont see where Hollins-or any other coach-could make a decision that conflicts with that, then cross their arms & say “well, he didnt tell me”. Especially in light of the fact that he immediately started to give Marcus Williams the minutes a end-of-game responsibility he refused to give Iverson. Conley got demoted the day after Iverson was granted “leave”. that’s no a stupid coach, that’s a stubborn coach that didnt want Iverson there.

  • tavoris

    Allenp, dont sweat it. nbk was coming for me (as usual) with made-up or twisted stories (as usual) to support his biased claims about AI (as usual). If i had called him out for the same thing, he woulda NEVER backed down. It’s hilarious when people show their true colors

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Tavoris: once again, on the issue of fairness, the owner has said for months that Conley was starting. It was only when Iverson made his stance known about coming off the bench clear that the owner said “uhhh it’s up to the coach I’m not making decisions here.”
    I’m not sure how Memphis figured, after the Detroit Fiasco, that Iverson would be alright coming off the bench. On the flip-side, for the life of me, the owner came out so many times and said Conley was starting, I have no idea how Iverson DIDN’T know that. It was either ignorance or Iverson was hoping it was just the media being the media. Christ, even NBA 2k10 and Live had Iverson coming off the bench! It wasn’t a secret.
    This was just two stubborn, stupid forces clashing together, really.

  • Jer Boi

    Ah I Remember when Frank first took over and the Nets won 13 straight..

    now it looks like he might get fired after losing 13 straight..if that happens..

  • tavoris

    Jukai-u r right, but i’m talking about the coach, not the owner. That’s where the confusion about role occured.

  • bigtime

    Why dont A.I just go to the Bulls??? they need someone who can score…. that would be a great fit for him

  • MtotheS

    Larry Hughes is just waiting for Larry Brown to walk back in.

  • Brian

    The Heat should sign AI and start him at the 2 as I said earlier. Wade can either be an explosive 6th man like Ginobli or start at the point if he can focus on D and play an Eric Snow type role. Up front they can start guys who don’t need shots and can play some D like Haslem, Joel Anthony and Daequan Cook. It makes perfect sense.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    A.I. just confirmed that he would sign with the Knicks or at least that’s what realgm.com is reporting.

  • KB24

    The Lakers should sign him to a 10 day contract to see if he could work out good in L.A.

    Reasons for the Lakers to get A.I.
    1.Fisher and Farmar are playing horrible
    2.Let Kobe take a few games off to rest his groin
    3.Pau Gasol still hasn’t played
    4.Sasha Vujacic is also playing horrible
    5.Luke Walton is out 6 weeks
    6.Plenty of minutes with Gasol out, bench playing horrible and time to give Kobe to rest, because A.I. could still carry the load

    Potential Starting Line-Up
    PG- Fisher
    SG- Kobe
    SF- Artest
    PF- Gasol
    C- Bynum

    Bench:
    PG- Farmar
    SG- Iverson
    SF- Brown(Because Walton is out 6+ Weeks, Even though he is PG/SG, but he is better than Vujacic)
    PF- Odom
    C- Powell

  • tavoris

    Brad, he won’t clear waivers for another 2.5 hours…the Knicks can’t even contact him yet.

  • tavoris

    KB…10-day contracts can’t be signed this early in the season.

  • tmw554

    one hundred and 1st!

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    It was still stupid to bring him off the bench he seriously was at worst the second best player on the roster and that’s a huge stretch. Just like if he goes to the knicks he’s the best player we have had in 10 years right away.

  • tavoris

    Bryan, I get the impression that D’Antoni doesn’t want him.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tavoris
    Ain’t no “impression” it’s obvious. D’Antoni doesn’t like Iverson. And he doesn’t want to coach him.
    Larry Brown actually said that was the problem. He said Donnie Walsh was cool, but D’Antoni didn’t really want Iverson.
    So, they should just keep it moving.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Well then he’s more stupid than I thought he was.

  • iw

    my question for all these so called know it alls, when did anyone actually see AI lose a step? funny all the critics said he and Melo couldnt co-exist. we all saw how that worked out. so let me see, he doesnt have to carry the load and his numbers go down because of that, i guess that constitutes to having lost a step. funny, as i saw it, the guy was already steps faster than the rest of the league, so losing a step still makes him above average in this league. next thing is, why is everyone so content with making this guy a bench player when u hav so many players inthe league doing exactly what he used to do and they are starting? i would love to have someone on my team to make my life easier. watch the guy in the all star games. he got 2 mvp awards for that. when he plays with talent he plays even better. he has not had the luxury of having good players around him except in Denver and those guys were hurt and missing a lot of games while he was there. so get off AI’s sack already. let him go out there and and play because i havent seen any sign of him slowing down

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    D’Antoni should NOT be able to judge who makes the roster. He was probably the main influence on Walsh’s decision to draft Jordan Hill over Brandon Jennings. And Danilo Galinari over Eric Gordon? Child please.
    If D’Antoni impedes this Iverson signing, he is officially worse than Isiah Thomas.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    IW
    I think Iverson has lost a step. I noticed it even more in his last game with the Grizzlies against Golden State.
    That said, he’s still effective.
    Y’all don’t remember Iverson when he first got into the League. Those first five years he was a blur man. Just unbelievably quick.

  • http://showmeyourwits.blogspot.com Showmeyourwits

    Not to sound like an old head, but I feel like most of the Iverson hate comes from those who only know him from his last days in philly up until now. This dude grew up having to basically hold it down for his whole family from a young age. His 1st tattoo, “only the strong survive”, isn’t some posturing b.s. He had to live with that mentality and so psychologically he feels like it falls on him to elevate whoever is with him out of a bad situation. It’s natural for him to want to be the guy for memphis and even in detroit when no one else is getting it done. If you look at his play in Denver and in all-star games he is more than willing to allow others to do their thing. Bottom line is that AI is all heart, always has been and always will be, and you can’t be surprised when he wants to leave it all on the court, not riding the pine.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Russ really didnt do anything to deserve this.

  • Brian

    I don’t understand all this AI is all heart and a warrior stuff because when I watch him play I see him run away from contact when he is supposed to playing D.

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    I havent read any comments but im presuming every one is saying it wont work, although if Wade wants it, then may it can?! Dont know if he does though… anyway, it needs to be said that if I could have this backcourt on nba 2k10 i would reap havoc and destruction upon any opposition

  • reidz

    I´ve been following Iversons career since he came into the league. I remember him in the Finals against LA. He was slippery as an eel and quick as a blur. No one could really contain and control him when he started moving (except for Tyronn Lue of all people to a very small extent).

    My point is that everyone on that team was pretty much hustlers who would let AI run wild whenever he saw the opportunity. I am not on the Iverson hate bandwagon, but I do believe he is the kind of player that has to have team adjusting to him rather than him adjusting to a team or a system. That´s why I also believe especially Lakers with its intricate triangle system would be a bad fit. The same goes for the Heat. It does not make any sense to make a top 5 player in the league making major adjustments or not to mention coming off the bench.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Allenp I remember those days and yeah he’s lost a step but he’s still steps faster than just about everyone else. That’s the great thing about iverson his quickness was so elite that he could afford to slow down some and still be top 5 fastest dudes in the league.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    I actually don’t even think he’s top 5 anymore. He’s still quick, but not elite quick. His left hand has deteoriated greatly.
    I’m not saying dude can’t still play and still get buckets, just saying that he has falled off quite a bit from his prime. Then again, this is his 13th or 14th year in the league. He came out one or two years after Jason Kidd and we can all see how he’s declined. .

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    You might be seeing something I don’t see but kidd has fallen off dramatically partially due to the microfracture. Iverson in my mind is behind guys like chris paul, derrick rose parker and rondo but ahead of just about every other starting guard. To be fair those four are off the top of my head and I’m not trying to think of anyone else so I could be wrong but I don’t think so. Aside from that his shot selection is poor which affects his % but his jumper is still wet and his vision is less than stellar by his own choosing but his passing is still on point. Do I think he can get 33 and 8 again? No but 27 and 7 is not out of his realm.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Bryan: Barbosa, Will Bynum, JJ Barea, Delonte West, Ellis, Aaron Brooks, Mike Taylor, Jennings, Flynn, Harris, Westbrooke, all faster… most of them not better, but faster.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Bynum,barbosa and taylor are sixth men I meant starters and like I said I didn’t research it but that’s still only like what 10 dudes? And I have to disagree on west. Really disagree.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Er, why are we suddenly only talking about starters?

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I said “ahead of just about any other starting guard” that’s why?

  • Shem

    Mario Chalmers will start over Iverson….. does he not realize he can’t start for any team after detroit and memphis

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pennyccw OG

    Look AI 96 = 2 & 1/2 steps faster, he has lost 1 & 1/2 steps, defined as; 1 step unrecoverable due to age. the other 1/2 step is rust/Layoff from not pro-balling in a long time & the recent hamstring injury.. that in my eyes are recoverable

    How come no one says Kobe, has lost a step, He can’t Jumps as high, & relies significantly on his post up game, to the point where he even Hired Hakeem to teach him the dream shake etc. Does anyone says Kobe is losing a step, no should he be a six man. No..They say Kobe is still hungry & are all astounded by his will to get better even now. NewsFlash !!! he is getting old losing speed & athleticism but smartly evolving his Game a natural progression

    Very much the Same way Mike Jordan, evolved & became the Fadeaway king & relinquished the Dunk King title to other young Dudes. Did anyone dare say MJ is washed up or has lost a step..Nope not 1, zip Nobody..
    You know why cuz the media didn’t mention it.

    Senario 3 if Lebron should go miami & play with the Flash & voluntarily shoots less to blend in with wade.
    Will anyone say he has lost a step or dare call him washed up No

    So then Why should Iverson who coming of 1 of his best Statistical year. who sacrificed his scoring averaging Just “26.5ppg” & “6.7 apg” to share with Melo be called washed up. He then goes to Detroit & this very Selfish Man. The so called Thug, who did what the coach told him, & FURTHER SACRIFICED his beloved shots (that’s all he cares about right) on 14 per to BLEND with 3 scorers Sheed,Rip,Tayshaun + Stuckey & as a result was called washed up, ” Oh he Lost it” “AI is having a career low 17ppg” (biased reporters) Where was the step Lost, DID HE LOST HIS STEP ON THE AIRPORT TO DETROIT.
    (gullible masses) for believing them.

    So then Why can’t AI get the chance to Age gracefully, & why is he selfish for being reluctant to enter a role
    that has been carved out for him by ppl, who doesn’t mean him well. Why is AI wash up if he can’t drive past the whole league. I think its because we’ve been so captivated by his speed that we think thats all that define him. (Ding) bright light. He’s a crafty & sneaking player, & use alot of tricks & veteran moves on ppl too, Last year I’ve seen that & oh Yes his Jumper is still very wet. He has the Most underrated mid range J in the game. go to Youtube, an see the countless times he dropped 40 on mostly j’s even in Denver. where he shot a career best 45.4% for the season. ppk that’s the washed up Denver AI. Y so high cuz he had melo wich meant less tuff shots
    In detroit he was forcing his Game cuz he had limited playing time & knew the media would crucify him if he avg less than 15ppg so he rushed his shots.
    In Memphis after working on his J all summer (practice) we saw where his average is 57% so he doesn’t need to say ‘beep beep” after each crossover to score

    Now thanks to the misdiagnosed syndrome”lost a step” “AI is in a Lose, Lose scenario if he Goes to Knicks, He’s selfish & only wanna score, that proves the CHARACTER HATERS right. Haters 1, AI 0. If He Goes to Miami & sacrifices again he loses. that prove the GAME OR SKILLS HATERS right he’s Washed up.. Haters 1, AI 0.

    IF I WAS AI, I’d go to Knicks motivate that team, win some Games, Pass the Ball alot, shock a few ppl. Drop 40 & 50 in memphis & detroit respectively. UTILIZE the Massive media in Ny to work for me, By applying the Gilbert Arenas principle & Talk less since they twist all he says anyway. SKILLS HATERS 0, AI 1

    Next year I’d sign with a contender @ the Midlevel exception or re-sign with the Knicks of they Land Lebron any other big name. & Shock ppl again, Voluntarily sacrifice my scoring to silence the CHARACTER HATERS. Character Haters 0, AI 2

    Se Ai is in the precarious position of having to prove 2 things that oppose each other to two different types of haters. While Most of His Haters have the combination of these 2 doubts rolled in 1, He can’t shut them up @ once.

    Oh & He’d have to tweet during the summer @Haters I am going to VOLUNTARILY score less next year, i’m not washed up, i just feel like it.

  • tavoris

    Shem…Mario Chalmer’s starting job is pretty safe, since he’s clearly one of the better on-ball defenders in the ENTIRE LEAGUE. He actually does a commendable job of playing alongside Wade.

  • tavoris

    damn OG…ain’t nobody reading all that…hahahahahahahahahahaha

  • J

    there’s nothing wrong in coming off the bench as long as you could flourish into the system, and you and the team can be successful together. Manu is absolutely better than Finley or any other SG but he’s on the bench. and look what they had.

  • J

    but i don’t think this would work in Miami, it would be like what they got in Denver.

  • rikson

    ANd now its Hollins…. Dont you get bored of the excuses too!

  • rikson

    I dont think its a matter of “hating”, if you dont like Iverson (anymore)! He had his chances…

  • tavoris

    rikson..if u don’t realize that there are about 11 or 12 head coaches in the NBA that are actually good @ coaching, then I don’t know what to say. Most are egomaniac windbags who can’t be trusted as far as they can be thrown. Why do you think coach’s have even less job security than the players?
    Lionel Hollins stonewalled Iverson. Iverson should have handled it better, but that’s still the case. Hollins made it VERY clear that the promise to Iverson (that he could compete for the starting spot) would never result in him winning the starting spot. The excuse of “giving Conley a chance” was revealed to be rubbish also, because as soon as AI was gone, he started benching Conley in key minutes.

  • rikson

    I dont even want to talk anymore, its getting boring. If you guys havent learned it by now, you probably never will! Ill give him another 10 days, if he stays longer, hell have something like 11 ppg on 38% and maybe 4 ass, period! Just for your info, I know the AI from the sixers times and LOVED him, im probably older than 2 thirds on here, but somewhere my love has to end, and AI has qualified himself more than once for that… Open your eyes people!

  • rikson

    Oh, and Iverson was REALLY weak in MEM – kind of sad to see him like this! He just looked old… This guy is done!

  • rikson

    “Waaahhh, Detroid is sooo evil, and now Memphis is after me, heeeelp mami….”

  • tavoris

    rikson, what player are you talking about in your 11:06am comment-cuz that seems to apply to neither AI or any current Memphis Grizzly.

  • http://www.gmail.com rushmelo15

    iverson to miami.
    NOT HAPPENING.
    the heat are already loaded with 1′s and 2′s…who are young and developing…where does iverson fit into this system?
    besides iverson wants to start,and i dont see that happening because chalmers has proven to be a great pick and a solid defender.

  • rikson

    @travoris: I was talking about AI… referring to the news back then, that AI would join the knicks!

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