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1985 NBA Draft Remix

The NBA hits the lottery – in more ways than one.

by Jeff FoxPatrick Ewing & David Stern

The 1985 NBA draft was one to remember.  The first year the NBA implemented the draft lottery, one of the League’s cornerstone franchises hit the jackpot and won the lottery. But the Knicks weren’t the only team to luck out in 1985 — this year’s draft class was one of the all-time best.

By our estimations, the 1985 NBA draft was the third greatest draft class of all-time, trailing only 1984 and 1996 (but ahead of 2003 — for now). You have three Hall of Famers at the top of the class, with Chris Mullin also knocking on Springfield’s doors. You also had 10 All-Stars in the 1985 crop, including one of the game’s greatest centers and a top-five all-time power forward. And, because the 1980s were the NBA’s rough and tumble frontier days, a bunch of dudes who didn’t take no mess.

1985 NBA Draft

Grade: A

All-Stars: 10 (Patrick Ewing, Xavier McDaniel, Chris Mullin, Detlef Schrempf, Charles Oakley, Karl Malone, Joe Dumars, AC Green, Terry Porter, Michael Adams)

Biggest Bust: Joe Kleine, Sacramento, pick No. 6
Late Round Steal: Michael Adams, Sacramento, pick No. 66 (third round)
Winning Team (in the long run): New York (Patrick Ewing, Charles Oakley)
Career Scoring Leader: Karl Malone
Career Rebounding Leader: Karl Malone
Career Assist Leader: Terry Porter

Pick No. 1 | New York Knicks
Actual Selection: Patrick Ewing
Draft 365 Remix: Karl Malone (13)

The implementation of the lottery was supposed to keep teams from purposely losing games to get a shot at Patrick Ewing — but in the end the real player teams should have been throwing games for lasted through the first 12 picks.  You aren’t going to get a player much better than Karl Malone in any draft — especially with pick no. 13. The Mailman made 14 All-Star and All-NBA teams, four All-Defensive teams and was a two-time league MVP.  He’s also the all-time leader in free throws (both made and attempted) and defensive rebounds (not to mention turnovers), and the only player to play more minutes or score more points is a gentleman who goes by the name of Kareem.

Pick No. 2 | Indiana Pacers
Actual Selection: Wayman Tisdale
Draft 365 Remix: Patrick Ewing (1)

The player most adversely affected by having to play in the Air Jordan era would have to be Patrick Aloysius Ewing. Ewing  just couldn’t get his Knicks past Jordan’s Bulls juggernaut, and when Michael left to shag fly balls and the Knicks finally did get to the Finals they ran into one of the greatest centers of all-time at the top of his powers in Hakeem Olajuwon.  Nonetheless, while a ring may have been out of reach, the Hall of Fame wasn’t for Ewing, as the 11-time All-Star’s resume was just too strong.

Pick No. 3 | Los Angeles Clippers
Actual Selection: Benoit Benjamin
Draft 365 Remix: Joe Dumars (18)

Joe Dumars has a way of always being overlooked, whether it be in his draft class (he lasted to pick no. 18), in his own team’s backcourt (Isiah Thomas) or now in his front office career (he won the Pistons a ring but is remembered best for drafting Darko). But when you are ranking the greatest “combo guards” of all-time, this Finals MVP, Hall-of-Famer has to be near the top of the list.

Pick No. 4 | Seattle Supersonics
Actual Selection: Xavier McDaniel
Draft 365 Remix: Chris Mullin (7)

Once again, if it wasn’t for that Air Jordan cat Chris Mullin could have been considered the best pure scorer of his generation.  His shot form might have been odd, and his crewcut out of style, but Mullin was deadly on the court, running off five 25-plus ppg seasons in a row and making five All-Star and four All-NBA teams in the process.

Pick No. 5 | Atlanta Hawks
Actual Selection: Jon Koncak
Draft 365 Remix: Detlef ScDetlef Schrempfhrempf (8)

Speaking of out-of-date haircuts, Detlef Schrempf comes in at pick no. 5 on the remix. Before Dirk made his way to Dallas, Schrempf was the resident German on the Mavericks’ roster. But Schrempf didn’t really start to excel until going to Indiana (and later Seattle) and he ended up becoming a two-time Sixth Man of the Year award winner and a three-time All-Star.

Pick No. 6 | Sacramento Kings
Actual Selection: Joe Kleine
Draft 365 Remix: Charles Oakley (9)

You didn’t mess with Charles Oakley (same rule applies with the current gray-haired, 45-year-old version of Oak). A rugged power forward who never posted up (possibly never everposted up — anyone have video evidence to the contrary?) yet possessed a soft jumper, the Oak intimidated his way onto an All-Star team, two All-Defensive teams and no one outside of Karl Malone in this draft class grabbed more boards.

Pick No. 7 | Golden State Warriors
Actual Selection: Chris Mullin
Draft 365 Remix: Terry Porter (24)

With the last pick in the first round, the Portland Trail Blazers found the point guard for their powerhouse late 1980s-early 1990s teams. A two-time All-Star, Porter also placed ninth in MVP voting in 1991 when he was top-ten in the League in assists and three-pointers made.

Pick No. 8 | Dallas Mavericks
Actual Selection:
Detlef Schrempf
Draft 365 Remix: Xavier McDaniel (4)

In his day, Xavier McDaniel was a bad man. At 6-7, 205 pounds, X wasn’t the biggest dog in the fight, but that didn’t stop him from pushing, elbowing and strangling his way to four-straight seasons of 20 or more points per game and an All-Star apperance.

Pick No. 9 | Cleveland Cavaliers
Actual Selection:
Charles Oakley
Draft 365 Remix: AC Green (23)

Famous for his Jheri curl, his celibacy and his knack for missing layups, AC Green Jr was still a key cog in the Lakers dynasty, making an All-Star and All-Defensive team in his eight years in L.A.

Pick No. 10 | Phoenix Wayman TisdaleSuns
Actual Selection: Ed Pickney
Draft 365 Remix: Wayman Tisdale (2)

Always cheerful, even while he was losing his leg and eventually his life to cancer, Wayman Tisdale was a legend at the University of Oklahoma (his no. 23 jersey was the first number ever retired in any sport at the school). He wasn’t able to duplicate that level of success on the NBA stage, but he did average double figures in scoring in 12 out of his 13 years in the League.

Barely missed the Top 10 Remix: Michael Adams, Gerald Wilkins, Hot Rod Williams, Benoit Benjamin.

Next on the Remix: We finish off the draft remix series with the mother of all draft classes — 1984.

Read more of Jeff Fox at The Hoops Manifesto.

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  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Wow, can’t wait for next one. And Karl Malone was drafted 13th? Wow, that’s pretty much a steal…

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  • Teddy-the-Bear

    PATRICK EWING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Great player, great person. One of my all-time favorite ball players.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Man, I never realized just how good this draft was; this is one of the best draft classes of all time!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Who’s badder: Oak Tree or X-Man??

  • davidR

    that link for xavier is hilarious! honestly i never got to see his game cause i was too young, but 6’7 and only 205? i gotta search for some clips of him and this toughness

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com Jeff Fox
  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com Jeff Fox

    And one of my favourite photos of all-time (which I’ve used on my site a few times before) is picture of Xavier McDaniel with both hands around the neck of an opponent (Wes Matthews) during a game. The good ol’ days!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Jeff, your blog is awesome. That X-Man post was hilarious. Now I must read about the toughest fight in the history of sports.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Lol, the forth picture from the top of the Charles Oakley SLAM piece you linked to shows evidence of a post-up game… somewhere underneath all that bad@ssedness.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Here’s a nice, short little mix of X-Man:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHC0F2bBYAQ&NR=1&feature=fvwp

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    This video is awesome, too. Funny story between Larry Legend and X-Man.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHFrgmy8SSU&feature=related

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Mullin over Dumars. Damn, I know Dumars was great but… Mullin bro!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dave

    I’d take Oak over Jumbo, otherwise no complaints on these selections, Fox.
    “You dare rip the X-Man?” – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiHxIdkjA5U

  • a_whiteman

    co-sign jukai mullin was a straight gunner! maybe he is behind joe because of the crew cut lol

  • Young Lebron 23

    R.I.P Wayman Tisdale

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/san-dova-speak-easy/ San Dova

    I could very well be misremembering things, but I’m sure Charles Oakley posted up on offense in New York. I’m pretty sure of it…but then, again, I remember plenty of other times with his arms low and him suddenly cold-catching the basketball and immediately raising up for a dunk, lol.

  • http://www.in-n-outnba.blogspot.com Lucas

    @Young LeBron 23 I agree, R.I.P Wayman Tisdale

  • MikeC.

    The front line of Ewing, Oak and X-Man is the reason I became a Knicks fan. Later on, they had Mase coming off the bench. Those Knick teams were probably the toughest, meanest group in basketball history. The Bad Boy Pistons were pretty nasty too, but if it came down to straight up intimidation, backed up by straight up smashing opponents, I’d have to say those Knicks were the baddestass team of all time. I look at the Knicks now and shudder in shame and disgust. Oak was the absolute man. I have no video evidence, but I do recall Oak posting up in order to throw the ball immediately out of the post to a shooter. I never ever remember him making a back-to-the-basket move in order to put up a shot for himself. Oak did his damage on the boards and on the mid-range jumpers. ’94 All-Star. Oak probably won’t get a HOF nod, but he’s a first-ballot entry into the Toughest, Baddest, Thuggest Hall of Fame.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dave

    I like MikeC’s style.
    Anyone else remember the Knicks in the ’93 playoffs against the Bulls, think was Gary Grant straight up smashed MJ on the jaw on an over-the-back rebound? I suspect unprovoked, Riley-ordered thuggery.

  • MikeC.

    Dave: I like the way you move.

    I recall that ’93 series. The Knicks knew they couldn’t compete talent-wise because no matter who they had on their team, Jordan was on the other team. Back then, that was the way she goes. So they built their team the only way to beat those Bulls. Can’t out-talent ‘em. Out-thug ‘em and hope they fold. Those guys, while being thuggish, were talented as well. That was what made me love the NBA and love those teams. Something about going to work every day, giving every ounce of effort possible, knowing you probably weren’t going to beat Jordan’s Bulls, but still going all-out really resonated with me. It was like watching real-life people going through the struggles of life, knowing that no matter how hard you work, you probably won’t be a millionaire, but you get up early and go to work anyway. Ewing, Oak, X, Starks, Mase, Harper. Puttin’ in work.

  • MikeC.

    However, all those guys are millionaires. My analogy has some holes in it, but so does my brain. Damn delicious beer.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dave

    MikeC, we are now BFF.
    Despite what people say about those days, I think the Bulls/Knicks and Knicks/Rockets series’ at that time were the best ever.
    But hey, I like hard fought struggle and defence.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    Ohh Detlef! I only caught his game towards his later Seattle years, but I still loved his game then. Him and Hersey Hawkins were like the quiet killers from deep since Kemp and GP provided more than enough verbosity for the team….

  • tavoris

    tealish-Detlef was a PROBLEM for opposing SF’s in his Mavericks and Pacer days. He used 2 do to Bird what Bird did to everybody else.

  • http://www.teflinprague.com SAB

    lol @ Dave and MikeC!
    thanks for all these Jeff, it’s been a good series…

  • MikeC.

    Detlef was a lot of fun to watch. He was Dirk before Dirk was Dirk. Detlef was more athletic and a much better ball handler than Dirk. Maybe the Dirk comparison is too simple. Detlef was more like Uncle Cliffy Robinson. Those two really started the hybrid 3-4 combo forward trend. Able to board and bang like a 4, but run, handle, pass and shoot like a 3.
    @Dave: I loved those rugged series too. Stuff that would lead to a suspension now didn’t even get free throws back then. I loved the more recent Pistons-Spurs Finals series, and am really pulling for a Celtics-Spurs Finals this year. I’d love to see Perk and KG going at Duncan with Pierce, Rondo and Shuttlesworth going at RJ, Tony and Manu. The only part that would drive me nuts is Manu’s floppery, but he takes it hard to the paint, so he gets a flop pass.

  • gmoney187

    real good stuff, except for the fact that you are insinuating that Dumars is a good Gm. he had a few good moves to bring that team together, but after winning he did nothing to shore up the bench and is currently doing an atrocious job. he ruined that team for the long run. Charlie V and Gordon for 90 million? In this economy? I dont think anyone can defend that

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    MikeC. and Dave are awesome.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Imagine if Bernard King remained healthy and stayed with the Knicks to play with Patrick Ewing? CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT?
    1. Doc Rivers
    2. John Starks!
    3. Bernard King!!!!!!!!!!
    4. Charles Oakley
    5. Patrick Ewing
    Off the bench: Ant Mason, Greg the Mouth, Rolando Blackman, etc.
    Bernard King wasn’t the defensive bad@ss Anthony Mason was, but he would have been top 5 SF ever if he remained healthy. And on offense, he was straight coldblooded. 28 ppg in Washington after an almost career-ending injury?! Unreal.
    Anyways, the Knicks were majorly bad@ss in the 90′s as it is.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    There should have been a way to get Sprewell without trading Starks. John Starks, and Patrick Ewing especially, deserved to finish their careers in New York. Stupid management shows no loyalty or respect. And retire Bernard King and John Starks’ jerseys already!

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    I’d still put Mullin over Dumars.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dave

    Yeah, what’s with Starks’ jersey not retired in NYC?
    Those games from Riley days are what made me a Knicks fan. Once James Dolan got on board it’s sucked, plain and simple. Even if D’antoni wasn’t the most overrated coach in the NBA, having run-and-gun in New York just seems wrong.
    Like MikeC (again, BFF) I get my blue-collar, grind-em-out thrills from watching the C’s mash opposing forwards with their ridiculous amounts of beef.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dave

    Teddy, I have all kinds of similar fantasies, but my starting line-up comes from ’93 and looks like this:
    1 – Derek Harper
    2 – Bernard King
    3 – Anthony Mason
    4 – Charles Oakley
    5 – Patrick Ewing

    6 – John Starks
    7 – Xavier McDaniel
    8 – Doc Rivers
    9 – Herb Williams
    + – doesn’t matter, Riley ain’t plain’ ‘em anyway.

    The flexibility here is unbeatable – Mase can play 2-5. X can play 3/4 and guard a 2 if needed. Oak and Pat are playing 40 a game anyway but Herb can do either. Starks and King can play together against the faster teams, and Doc and Harper have what it takes to spread the floor, or you can have Starks being the microwave. On top of that, you can even win fights against NHL teams.
    WHY DID THE KNICKS THROW AWAY SO MANY AMAZING PLAYERS?

  • matt

    malone could never make his team better when it mattered. If I’m a General Manager from 1985-2000 and I want to win a championship I can think of ten players I’d take before him. Stat wise he was consistent as anyone but then again stats are the reason these boneheads left robert horry out of his draft remix entirely.

  • http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3445/3357407353_c868c2d95c.jpg larrylegend

    can’t remember if it was a comment or in an article, but ever since when thinking about the oak, this comes 2 my mind: oakley would have made rodman his bitch!

  • Dirtybird

    Koncack has to be more of a bust than Kliene.

  • tavoris

    @Dave-Starks won’t get his jersey retired. He was flashy, but not all that good. If you ask die-hard Knicks fans their opinion on, you’ll get an immediate frown.

    Allan Houston & Sprewell both have better chances of getting their number retired in NYC than Starks does.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    tavoris, as a huge Knicks fan, I disagree. John Starks deserves to have his jersey retired, period. So does Bernard King, obviously.
    And Sprewell is one of my favorite ball players ever.
    All this talk about former Knick players just makes the current Knicks squad seem that much worse.

  • tavoris

    Teddy-his numbers don’t stand up with the better SG’s the Knicks had. I think Bernard King does, however-without question. But Starks was a good-but not GREAT-player. There were far too many shooting guards in the L that were better in the same era, and SG was a weak spot for the Knicks.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    tavoris: SG was a weakspot? What? One of the best perimeter defenders in the league at the shooting guard spot, for a defensive powerhouse constitutes as a weakness at the SG? Starks brought toughness and intensity to the backcourt, and his shooting was great, not to mention the athleticism there. Starks is one of those cases where his heart and passion triumph over his weaknesses–to Knick fans at least. That’s why most real Knick fans know that Starks deserves to have his jersey retired.
    And I do really believe that he was a great player.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Obviously, Latrell Sprewell and Allan Houston were really great Knick shooting guards, too. Spree is actually one of my favorite ball players.
    I guess we just agree to disagree on Starks. I definitely am biased because he is one of my all-time favorite ball players.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Tavoris: you’re 100% wrong. It’s the die-hard Knicks fans that are demanding Stark’s jersey be retired… I’m not entirely certain that he doesn’t, but Starks is largely an overrated player.
    Still, he was a town favorite on one of the greatest Knicks teams of all time. Isn’t that more IMPORTANT for a jersey to be retired than just numbers and games?

  • tavoris

    Jukai-you’re wrong. Starks is only revered by fans with short memories. I’m not saying he’s a BAD player. He was a pretty good defender-on a team of pretty good defenders. Both Greg Anthony and Derek Harper were better on that end, tho. He was a good shooter with HORRIBLE shot selection, hence the career 41% from the field (playing with a center that commanded a double & triple teams).

    At any rate, if you look at the Knicks Jerseys that are currently retired, you’d understand why Starks isn’t-and won’t get his.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Tavoris: I have lived in Brooklyn and the Bronx and am currently residing in Long Island. Where do you live, exactly, that you know more about Knicks fans than I do?

  • tavoris

    Brooklyn. Bed-Stuy, specifically.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Really. I was a Brighton beach kid. Guess we just know different Knicks fans.

  • Emmanuel Suarez

    Patrick Ewing WAS the real reason for turning the Knicks into one of the most exciting teams in the 1990′s and on of my favorite teams ever!!

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