Thursday, December 31st, 2009 at 3:21 pm  |  198 responses

Decade’s Top 10 NBA Players

The names that claimed an unnamed decade.

Putting it to a democratic vote a la this summer’s SLAMonline Top 50, the order was delivered and the dix were down. Sorry to Melo and Truth, but these cats were the best in show. The final tally proved it wasn’t even close.

Try guessing the Decade’s Top 10 without reading on. You can do that. But putting their accomplishments into words? Good luck.

Here’s our best shot at it….

No. 10: Jason Kidd
by Brad Graham

Understanding why Jason Kidd is one of the decade’s best is easy, especially because his recipe for success is straight out of a Rachael Ray cookbook… you take Hobble’s vision; a master chess player’s decision making; Jedi Knight anticipation; UPS’ delivery system; a drug dealer’s push; Mos Def’s tempo and Bernie Madoff’s thievery. Mix it together, let it cook under the Californian sun and serve it once every generation.

The superlatives rightfully spew out whenever Kidd’s discussed in reference to this decade because the consummate point guard’s dime dropping play is as effective as Kobe Bryant’s scoring, Ray Allen’s jumper, LeBron James’ drive, Dwight Howard’s glass cleaning, well, you get the picture, and have ever since Kidd playmaking prowess was unleashed.

Speaking of making plays like Santa does toys, it was during the ’08-09 season that Kidd became the fourth player in NBA history to reach the magical 10,000 assist milestone. That mark meant he’s now the only player in NBA history with 15,000 points, 10,000 assists and 7,000 rebounds. Not bad for a player who can’t shoot a basketball.

Equally important, on April 5 ‘08, in a game that saw Kidd hand out a season high 20 assists against, of all teams, the Phoenix Suns (more on them in a minute), he dished out his 10,142 career dime. This helped him surpass Magic Johnson for third on the all time NBA assist list. Of course his placement didn’t last long as Kidd leap frogged Mark Jackson early in the 2009/10 season for 2nd place on the assist list.

Remaining an immeasurable asset, J-Kidd joins Sam Cassell, Ben Wallace and Tim Duncan and as the most under appreciated talents of the decade. Don’t feel too bad for him though, Kidd did collect a staggering $135,822,835 worth of NBA Owner’s dollars this decade to make up for his troubles. So when it’s reported that he averages a triple double once every 10 games or so, just know he’s getting paid for a reason. Don’t worry, it doesn’t help me sleep any better either.

The comparisons to Tim Duncan also extend beyond locker room value as the PG finds himself locked into a similar battle (think Duncan vs. Kevin Garnett) with fellow virtuoso Steve Nash for the title of decade defining playmaker. A battle he’s handed over to Chris Paul and Deron Williams. However, unlike the Spurs’ superstar, Kidd found himself traded (twice) this decade.

In ’01, following charges for spousal abuse (in which he missed 15 games) Kidd was shopped after the Suns suffered another first round playoff exit (this time by the Sacramento Kings). Along with Chris Dudley, Kidd was sent to the New Jersey Nets for Stephon Marbury, Johnny Newman and Soumaila Samake.

Note: This trade would later allow the Suns to land Amar’e Stoudemire via the ’02 Draft, thanks in large to Marbury’s inability to play at Kidd’s level. To say the Jason Kidd for Stephon Marbury deal didn’t work out remains a gross understatement. As a result, the Phoenix Suns missed the playoffs for the first time since ’88, wining just 36 games. Marbury dropped 20.4 ppg but the Suns clearly missed Kidd who instantly turned his Nets from losers to Eastern Conference Champions.

Kidd’s well documented culture changing arrival in Jersey not only had all 176 Nets fans wanting to be seen out at East Rutherford, it had him receiving legit MVP votes. Much like Kevin Garnett’s impression with the ’07-08 Boston Celtics, Kidd was the League’s real MVP in ‘01-02 but was denied the honor (he finished second in voting to Duncan) because stats and fashion dictated that point guards don’t receive the Maurice Podoloff trophy. That was the thinking at the time.

In fact it was way back in ‘03 (before Nash become a dual MVP and everyone’s second favorite player) that Jason Kidd’s popularity hit the ceiling. The seminal guard not only graced the cover of EA Sports famed NBA Live series, he once again led his New Jersey Nets out of the fog that is the Eastern Conference to their second consecutive Finals appearance, either making him one of the greatest losers of the decade (like Karl Malone in the ‘90s) or a rare generational talent who continually overachieved and carried a mediocre roster / franchise (or both).

It was here in New Jersey that proof of Kidd’s worth became apparent. In a seemingly pedestrian 120-114 overtime regular season win over the Washington Wizards (in which he collected his 86th triple double) Kidd helped himself and former team mate Vince Carter chalk up another appearance in the NBA record books. The duo became the first team mates since Michael Jordan (41 points, 11 assists and 10 rebounds) and Scottie Pippen (15 points, 12 assists and 10 boards) to notched T-D’s in the same game and this was back when Tim Burton’s Batman was tops at the box office.

Vinsanity collected 46 points, added 16 rebounds (becoming only the fourth player in NBA history to record a triple double with at least 46 points / 16 boards, joining Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor and Alvin Adams) and yes, he even somehow managed to hand out 10 assists. Of course, who set up the majority of VC’s points… you guessed it, Kidd. He nabbed a then career high 16 boards, equaled his ’07 season high with 18 assists and slipped in 10 points (thanks to late free throw). Point to all this? Kidd would tell reporters that “I wish I could have a triple-double like Vince.” Guess he’ll just have to settle for being the active leader. Oh well. Let the record show that LeBron James is second among active players, a mere 80 plus triple doubles behind Kidd.

Following his impressive stint in Jersey, Kidd would later be reunited with his first NBA franchise, the Dallas Mavericks in early ‘08 thanks to a trade that included the two teams swapping starting PG’s. Note: This trade was due in large to the Mav’s embarrassing first round NBA Playoff loss to the Golden State Warriors and their inability to match up with the bruising Baron Davis. Speculation has also been made that Kidd wanted to bolt from Vince Carter but only ESPN’s Bill Simmons believes that. Of course the Mavs (with their superior supporting cast have continued to shine, thanks to Kidd) while the Nets continue their tour towards the Antarctic Circle.

While NBA success is apparent, it’s with his national team that Kidd’s showing is best represented. Collecting two Olympic Gold Medals in Sydney (2000) and Beijing (’08), respectively, Kidd finishes the decade undefeated when wearing the stars and stripes. Winning USA Basketball’s 2007 Male Athlete of the Year, Kidd became the nations definitive point guard, showcasing that no one orchestrates the fast break better. Much like his ’08 Dallas Mavericks’ reprisal, Kidd became Jerry Colangelo’s Team USA anchor.

Now that the naughties are (almost) over, we can sit back and appreciate Jason Kidd. He finishes the decade ranked 2nd in career assists with 10,337 dimes dropped (and given he never ran with a player of Karl Malone’s calibre, his career total impresses this blogger as much as John Stockton’s); 3rd in career and 2nd in Playoff triple doubles, respectively, making him the NBA’s accountant (aka good with numbers); 6th in total steals with 2,200 and counting (making him the decade’s master thief) and last but certainly not least, 29th in SLAM’s revised Top 50 of All Time.

Above all that, the subject of Jason Kidd has never really been about the seven All Star berths (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2008); the four All NBA First Team selections (2000, 2001, 2002, 2004) or the eight All Defensive Team nods (First team: 2001, 2002, 2006. Second Team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007) simply because his impact and play has never been based on individual glory. Kidd’s legacy and ability to deliver a bouquet of highlights is one of elevated team play (both on the NBA timber and for Team USA) but if you really want to make it about the numbers, a complete list of Kidd’s first 100 NBA triple doubles can be found here.

No. 9: Dwyane Wade
by Chris Deaton

Dwyane Wade is the champion of his class.

The finest hours of the deities are revealed under the brightest spotlights on the biggest stages. And although LeBron has his MVP and a defining game, Wade has his ring—something borne of defining games (3, 4, 5, 6).

At 27, his accolades project a legendary career: a Finals MVP, a superlative Olympic performance that keyed his country’s gold medal and five-consecutive All-Star appearances from 2005-09. He was honored as SI’s “Sportsman of the Year” in 2006, joining the likes of Russell, Kareem, Michael, Duncan and Robinson. Last season, he posted a career best 30 points and 7.5 assists a night en route to his first appearance on the All-NBA First Team.

And his résumé would be fuller were it not for a reckless abandon that has sidelined him 20 games or more in three of his six full seasons.

His play has frequently captured Jordan’s flavor, with exceptional finishing ability, a dangerous turnaround and coolness in the clutch. One of his game’s biggest knocks is his lack of range—but consider that MJ failed to crack 30 percent from three until his sixth season, and even then, it wasn’t an integral part of his game, nor did it need to be. Perhaps much is and will continue to be the same for D-Wade.

With Kobe in his 14th season, it’s possible that Wade, a player with less mileage, stands to inherit the mantle of the game’s best shooting guard during the 2010s. He is one of two men on this “Decade’s Best” list whose greatest years likely lie ahead. If that’s the case, in Dwyane Wade, the sporting world may be witnessing the evolution of one of the greatest players in NBA history.

No. 8: Steve Nash
by DeMarco Williams

Stephen John Nash is so good he’s actually underrated. Yeah, he’s been toasted with the two MVPs (‘04-‘05 and ‘05-‘06; only the third guard to ever accomplish the back-to-back) and six All-Star Game appearances, but there’s just so much more to the cool Canadian’s game than that.

Take, for instance, the man’s durability. Nash, 6-3 and 175 pounds if you weighed him right after the Christmas feast, averaged 77 games per season over the 00s. And then there’s his grossly overlooked shooting. Last year Nash became the only player in League history to shoot 50 percent from the field, 40 percent from beyond the arc and 90 percent from the free-throw line over three straight campaigns. Of the three achievements, Stevie’s long-distance dialing is probably the most overlooked. The ’03-’04 was the only season this decade the one-time Mav/full-time Sun didn’t finish in the top 10 in three-point percentage.

Still, when most folks think of the gritty guard, they immediately hark memories of him leading a fast break and delivering a crisp Spalding to Dirk, Amar’e or J-Rich over the years. And while the magical dishes are nice (The 35-year-old currently leads the NBA in dimes and is already in the top 10 for career assists), Nash is kinda like Michael Vick. See, the actual passing is only part of the fun.

Stevie has already amassed three 30+ scoring nights this year. Hell, Deron Williams, Tony Parker and Baron Davis have that many combined! He totaled over 20 in seven straight contests last year. He’s even had a couple of 40-point explosions over his hall of fame career.

Wait, did somebody say underrated?

So, yeah, call Stephen John Nash a great floor leader and assist machine all you want. He is most definitely that. Just don’t say we didn’t warn you the next time the decade’s finest pure point guard torches your squad for 30 of his own.

No. 7: Allen Iverson
by Mike Middlehurst-Schwartz

Say what you will about Allen Iverson – just remember who you’re talking about.

There are players on this list who had more successful a more decorated decade than “The Answer,” but few were more iconic. The imagery of Iverson is almost endless. Conjuring his name brings up memories of crossing over Michael Jordan (a little bit of a cheat since this moment went down back in the archaic 20th century), stepping over Tyronn Lue in the NBA Finals and the infamous practice rant which will go down in YouTube lore.

Iverson both lived and played at a speed that prevented almost anyone from keeping stride with him. And though his approach and style were polarizing, his results were undeniable – an MVP season in ‘00-01 and a litany of games taken over by the League’s favorite mighty mite. Toughness became his calling card after he proved time and again his willingness to play through a seemingly endless series of injuries.

Watching Iverson mature in the latter half of the decade has at times been an uncomfortable and awkward task. A short stay in Detroit was unsuccessful and an even shorter stay in Memphis was downright cringeworthy. But even though Iverson has been forced to reinvent himself – or at least his role – during his second stint with the Sixers, at least one of the decade’s best will get a chance to step aside on his own terms. Hey, it’s always sunny in Philadelphia, right?

No. 6: Dirk Nowitzki
by Ben Collins

Do you recognize him now? He has these big shoulders now — big, bounding arms swinging on refined hinges. They collect teeth now. As of about three weeks ago, this is true.

No homo. I mean, no no homo? Is that statement itself homohobic? Dirk, would you know? No, no comment?

No, he would know, probably, but he wouldn’t say. Just like his Twitter does. He’s found a way to say nothing by saying a lot about the only topic he knows everything about. And he can do this in two languages!

But reporters scoff. Boring! And we yawn and jot slowly, then walk away angrily.

Then some woman appears over the summer — someone who appeared to be cheating on him with his own cash — and we wanted to be angry so badly, we wanted to turn on him and punch him in his big, dumb, suddenly really-developed shoulders. But we couldn’t. We just felt bad for the guy.

Does that guy even speak English? People will yell this in sports bars. Even now. It will piss us off. It’s been 10 years. Yes, we will tell them, he’s perfect at it, just like he’s perfect at basketball, but we can’t write that. You can’t turn around one day and say, “Hey, listen, there’s a guy who’s been almost perfect at something for the past decade, we just haven’t been doing our jobs very well.”

But how can this person have not seen him before? Is he really that different of a player? In the late-90s and early-’00s he was this quirky, seven-foot, point-center with a jumpshot. Is he really this bruising, solemn, menacing, elbow-wielding, teeth-collecting, dare-we-say-it power forward?

It’s not like if you put Dirk Nowitzki and Karl Malone‘s career paths next to one another you couldn’t tell them apart.

Wait.

Do you recognize him now?

No. 5: LeBron James
by Sandy Dover

The manchild has now grown into a man, the myth has become a bonafide fact, and his legend continues to grow with each step and shot. LeBron Ramone James is arguably the most anticipated and storied player to play the game of basketball. That he came out of high school to be a No. 1 pick is merely a footnote for the player who may be the most skilled big perimeter player to ever play basketball (when his career is summed up).

Starting as a professional point guard, then playing shooting guard, then the “3″ spot and now a legitimate threat to teams when playing power forward, LeBron James is the epitome of an all-world player. Dominating with his Jason Kidd-like vision and passing, shooting fadeaway jumpers from the three-point line with relative ease, attacking the basket like a bull from Barcelona and leading the break in the manner of Magic, it’s no wonder he’s feared. Standing (and possibly still growing?) at 6-9-1/2 and weighing between 260-275 pounds (depending on the day), even Michael Jordan wasn’t as physically imposing.

But it’s not the stats that makes Le Cavalier so special–that he has career points/rebounds/assists of 27-7-7, or that he literally can do just about anything in a real-life game that you can think of (he ain’t called “Video Game James” for nothin’)–no, what sets The King apart from his brethren is that for all of his skills, for all of his physical and mental advantages as a basketball player, he continually seeks to uplift his teammates. He’s the new Pippen, he’s the new Magic, he’s the new swingman, he’s the new point guard, but more than anything, he’s the new standard. He has been set apart, and for all of his gifts, LeBron James is going to be the player of the next decade as well.

No. 4: Kevin Garnett
by Myles Brown

In practically any argument of “Who’s better?” someone will inevitably exclaim “Well if Player X was traded for Player Y, he could’ve done that…”. On behalf of reasonable people everywhere, I beseech you. Please, stop that shit. Things are hard enough to quantify and evaluate without needlessly complicating matters even further with improbable scenarios. The case for any player should be stated based on the facts at hand and nothing more.

Except for K.G. Why? Because of the Blazers, Spurs, Mavericks, and Lakers. Instead of marveling at his ability to drag a sub par team into the playoffs every year, Garnett’s critics chose to chastise him for his inability to single-handedly upset a title contender. It’s bullshit.

With all due apologies to the King, Kevin Garnett is the most unique player in NBA history. He’s a 7-0 forward with a guard’s skill set who can play and defend any position on the floor. He’s the only player ever to average 20 points, 10 rebounds and 5 assists for six consecutive seasons. He’s also the only player ever to average 20 points, 10 rebounds and 4 assists for nine consecutive seasons. And he’s the only player ever to have his prime wasted on a roster that boasted “All Star” Wally Szczerbiak as the second option.

Upon escaping to Boston, Garnett immediately removed all doubts concerning his elite status by spearheading one of the most formidable defensive units of all time. His versatility, selflessness and infectious desire completely transformed a lottery team into a champion. Had he not been injured last spring the Celtics could arguably be looking to three peat this year. The critics have been silenced and there is only one remaining question about Kevin Garnett.

What would have happened if he spent his prime as a Spur?

No. 3: Shaquille O’Neal
by Sean Ceglinsky

A good debate is good for the soul, although anyone arguing that Shaquille O’Neal should not be mentioned among the top three ballers in the business over the course of the last 10 years needs to have his head examined.

Let’s keep it real people, Shaq changed the game. His resume speaks for itself.

For starters, he’s won four NBA titles (2000, 2001, 2002, 2006), taking home The Finals most valuable player honor on three occasions (2000, 2001, 2002).

A 15-time All-Star, O’Neal made the team nine different times during the decade (2000-07 and 2009), earning the MVP award three times (2000, 2004, 2009).

Need more proof that his No.3 ranking on this who‘s who list is worthy? We can go on and on, trust us. In fact, a case can be made that Shaq should be higher.

For example, Kobe Bryant would have had an extremely tough time winning the first three of his four championships in Los Angeles without O’Neal, who averaged more than 20 points and 10 rebounds per game in each of his eight seasons with the Lakers.

Same goes for Dwyane Wade in Miami. A step slower, Shaq’s numbers were down a bit in 2006, but that didn’t prevent him from guiding Wade & Co. to a title.

O’Neal is hoping to duplicate the feat this season, with LeBron James in Cleveland, of course. Best believe that if Shaq is successful this time around, he’ll cement his name as one of the NBA’s best ever, regardless of the decade, or the century, for that matter.

Whether he wins another championship remains to be seen. One thing is certain: His trophy case at home is full of hardware, no doubt about it. Perhaps equally impressive is the collection of nicknames he’s managed to compile the last 10-plus years.

Some of his more mainstream monikers are: Shaq Fu, Superman, The Diesel, The Big Aristotle and The Big Shaqtus. Here’s a couple you might’ve missed: The Big Baryshnikov, Wilt Chamberneezy, and the most recent edition to the stable, Shaqovic.

Call Shaquille Rashaun O’Neal what you want, just make sure it’s one of the decade’s best.

No. 2: Tim Duncan
by Todd Spehr

Sure thing. That’s what Tim Duncan is – a sure thing.

In a decade that reeked of hype, praising guys before they’re worthy of praise, in some instances underachievement, perhaps the explanation as to why we the consumer isn’t enamored with Duncan is for one simple reason: We can count on him.

Duncan is the only player that automatically made his team a contender every year of this period. He is the only one to be the best player on four title teams in this post-Jordan era. And he has this Russellonian quality in that his greatness isn’t confined to something like an individual per game statistic; his career numbers certainly are not of the gaudy variety, but his title count is.

We hardly know a thing about him yet Duncan reveals himself in all his glory each time he plays, and therefore tells us more about himself than we realize. In a decade where our stars wanted to be bigger than the game itself, by staying within in it and concentrating on its basic premise – to win – Duncan became the rock in a forever-altering NBA landscape.

How will we remember the Tim Duncan of the 2000s? We won’t remember him for one moment, one game, or even one transcendent season. Instead, we’ll remember him for being there, for being great in some way, for all of it.

No. 1: Kobe Bryant
by Vincent Thomas

During the 2001 Playoffs Kobe averaged 29 ppg, 7 rpg and 6 apg. The Lakers would go on a 15-1 tear, razing their opponents on their way to back-to-back championships. The championship run included classic performances from Kobe, like his 48 and 15 in a Game 4 closeout of Sacramento.

He followed that up with 45 and 10 in the conference championship opener against the Spurs. He did all this while taking the mantle from Scottie Pippen and playing some of the most deranged and chaotic perimeter defense we’ve ever seen.

One of his most indelible images of a career full of them probably came in that Game 4 against the Kings. Shaq had fouled out with a good chunk of the fourth quarter remaining. What now? Even though Kobe averaged 28.5 to Shaq’s 28.7 that season, Shaq was still clearly the Lakers MVP and the League’s Top Dog. So, with Shaq out for the rest of a game against bigs like Chris Webber and Vlade Divac, the thinking was that the series might go on. But Kobe Just took over and then, after nailing a 10-foot floater to quiet the Arco nutbags, ran down the court with his arms by his side and palms parallel to floor making the “chill out, I got this” motion. In a lot of ways, he became Shaq’s equal at that moment. It was during this playoff run that the League’s best player, Shaquille O’Neal, began calling Kobe “the best player in the world.”

By the next season, as L.A. was on its way to a three-pea, folks were forced to start making distinctions. Shaq was the most dominant, Tim Duncan was the most valuable, but Kobe was the best…or whatever all the meant. By 2003, when Kobe averaged 30 ppg for the first time in his career, the arguments kinda stopped. Some folks tried to bring Tracy McGrady or Vince Carter into the discussion, but no sane person really disputed that Kobe was the best all-around player in the NBA. Again, Duncan and Kevin Garnett might have been more valuable and Shaq was still the most dominant force in the League, but nobody played the game of basketball with the brilliance, virtuosity, skill and brio that Kobe played it every game.

What he did in the ’05-06 season was downright preposterous. Not only did he average 35 ppg for the season — something that, other than Wilt, only Jordan (’87) and Rick Barry (’67) accomplished — but he averaged 43 effing points per effing game for ALL of January. To do that in the modern NBA is astounding. And, yeah, that’s the month he pulled off that 81-point game against Toronto that should go down as the greatest single game feat — considering all the factors — in the history of sport. That’s like rushing for 500 yards in an NFL game or hitting six grand slams in one baseball game.

There’s something really sad about the 2004-2007 Kobe, though, because it was during these seasons that his skill and athleticism met at a peak and it was also those three seasons when he dragged around a young, talentless Lakers squad that were relevant and compelling only because a martian played for them. Imagine if he could have spent those seasons on a contender. Before you blame him for forcing Shaq out of L.A. and making his own bed, you should check the terms on which Shaq has left Miami and Phoenix (and he most likely won’t leave Cleveland like Dr. J left the Sixers, either).

Kobe ended the decade playing with more savvy and wisdom than force and dynamism. More importantly, he ended the decade with an MVP in ’08 and a Finals MVP in ’09. So his 10-year resume looks like this: two-time scoring champ, 10-time All Star, three-time All Star MVP, league MVP (should have won in ’06, too), Finals MVP, four championships and consensus pick for “best player on the planet” title from ’03-’08 and arguable in 2002 and 2009, too.

Shaq may have been the NBA Kingmaker for the first half of the decade and Duncan may have been the most valuable player of the decade; but Kobe Bryant was the best.

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  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Allen Iverson behind Dirk Nowitzki?! Are you kidding me? I don’t care if you discredit last season and the one now, he should still be ahead of Dirk.

  • Hole-Lat

    Damn………..
    When did lebron grow to be 6’9 and a half?
    I thought his official measurements were 6’7 3/4?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Its still morning here and I am going to enjoy my New Years now. Happy New Year!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Man, Steve Nash is a great player, but he is the most overrated player ever. To even suggest that he could carry Jason Kidd’s jock strap is insulting to the intelligence of even the casual NBA fan, and yet those ill-gotten MVPs have raised his status to the point where people don’t even question the “fact” that he’s “better” than Kidd. That’s just laughable. Nash has only reached the CONFERENCE Finals THREE times in his career, despite the fact that he played in his prime with guys like Dirk and Amare and Finley (who was an all-star with Dallas). Kidd took Kenyon Martin and Kerry Kittles to the NBA Finals TWICE. The gulf between Kidd and Nash is so wide that there are about 40 or 50 players between them in the pantheon. It’s NOT EVEN CLOSE. F*ck an MVP you all know he didn’t deserve.

    P.S.
    I have nothing against Nash. I just don’t like reading this crap everywhere. Sports Illusrtated had Nash above Kidd too. WTF.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Speaking of MVPs, Kidd should have won an MVP in 2002 when he averaged 19 pts and 9 assts but they gave it to Duncan instead for some reason. I guess they didn’t want to give it to a point guard. And then Nash comes along and they give him TWO. For averaging 15 and 11 in a system that inflates stats. Bullsh*t.

  • johnny

    Tariq, check out the Eastern Conference during Jason Kidds era, it was pretty sad if he didn’t take them to the Finals. Put Jason Kidd’s Nets in the West against Duncan’s Spurs, Shaq and Kobe’s Lakers, C-Webb’s Kings, its no comparison. Get you’re facts straight. Nash is better and is still often overlooked by the un-knowledgeable NBA fan.

  • tom

    i´m a big nash fan and still can feel what tariq says, kidd does so much stuff, even at midcourt…

    shaq, he should be on top.

    but also, its hard to choose.´everybody has their own favorites.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Ryne: Right. Pierce did come a couple of seasons later. Okay, so we put any other wing next to Shaq and the results wouldn’t've been the same. Nonetheless, I still think Shaq deserves more credit for the Laker threepeat than Kobe does, and he should at least be #2 on this list. Otherwise, great picks by the Slam guys all the way, especially the Dirk one.

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  • Andy

    As a Spurs fan I totally agree w/ this list, especially the assessment that Shaq was the most dominant, Duncan was the most valuable, and Kobe was the best. Also good to see Dirk get props after NBA.com snubbed him

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    johnny:
    Why do you want to put Kidd’s Nets in the West? A better comparison would be to put Kidd himself on Nash’s Suns and Mavs. I mean, hell, the Mavs only reached the Finals after Nash left. You think a young Kidd and Dirk couldn’t have reached the Finals? Plus, Kidd would have KILLED on these 7-seconds-or-less Suns. Nash hasn’t won jack sh*t, and he isn’t better than Chauncey “7 Conference Finals and Counting + 2 Finals + Finals MVP” Billups, nevermind Jason muthafuc*in Kidd.
    And another thing, you say that the East was weak in 2001/2002, which it pretty much was, but if Nash were on a squad with Kerry Kittles and Kenyon Martin, he’d get knocked out in the first round. 2nd round max.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    People love to talk about FG% when they can, but completely disregard the 9-10 free throw attempts Iverson averaged over his career. Its funny. And no, not everyone in the NBA could average 30 points and make to the FINALS if they took 30 shots a game, and Iverson never even averaged 30 shots a game. Iverson > Nowitzki.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I can’t believe I even have to explain why Iverson > Nowitzki, or even argue it.

  • johnny

    Nash would thrive being on the Nets, imagine a young Kenyon Martin as his Amare. He could of got the Nets to the Finals. Keith Van Horn and Kittle as his snipers, it would be lethal. Nash is a better passer than Kidd but Kidd is a better defender and rebounder than him

  • johnny

    But Teddy, no one had ever seen a seven footer with the type of skill set that Dirk has. He is a pioneer for European basketball.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign johnny again.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Actually, Kidd is a phenomenal passer too. I’d say Kidd and Nash are about same in passing, but Nash is a far better scorer and shooter. Kidd is a far better defender and passer.

  • dino

    .#11 T MAC
    .#12 PIERCE
    .#13 VINCE
    .#14 BIG BEN
    .#15 RAY RAY

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    johnny:
    Fact of the matter is, when SLAM’s Top 50 came out, people who actually know the game (including a few SLAM writers) were flabbergasted that Nash was even on that list at #50. Guys like Tiny Archibald, for starters, are far more deserving than Nash and his phony MVPs. Kidd who has ranked at #28, however, HAS to be included on ANY Top 50 list, or else said Top 50 list lacks credibility.
    Now, the ONLY reason that Nash is in ANY of these discussions is because he won an award he didn’t deserve TWICE. If those sportswriters had given Shaq and Kobe those awards, and Nash had come in SECOND both years, his legacy would be very different. His actual accomplishments would not be glossed over by a fake award that catapults him over superior players. Nash better than Kidd?! Imagine if Nash ever won something… they’d say he’s better than Magic!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    johnny:
    Nash and the Nets would NOT get past the Pistons. Trust.

  • Reflex

    Wade should be higher, his play throughout that Championship year was as high as it gets and the guys that are directly ahead of him (Nash, AI & Dirk) specifically haven’t collectively reached those heights. Also, he carried his Heats to a championship, probably the biggest outsiders to do so in the last 20 years or so. He confirmed his status with last seasons gaudy numbers where he beat NBA posterboy LeBron in every major statistical category but for rebounds. Ridiculous for a 6ft 4″ guard.
    The top 3 pick themselves and are easily interchangeable no qualms whatsoever, KG is legit at 4. I’d personally have DWade at 5. It’s safe to say Bron’s got the next decade but from 2000 onwards DWade takes it for me without a doubt.

  • got beef?

    suprised paul pierce wasnt on the list, he’s been consistently a very good player all decade, guys like nash haven’t done it all decade

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    ab_40: Nash didn’t deserve his second MVP. His first one was full-heartedly deserved, more to do with the lack of talent in the league at the time but also to do with the drastic change in wins on his team and the fact that he broke the ten assist mark which hadn’t been done in a while. I totally disagree with you about Iverson not deserving his MVP. No one was playing as well as Iverson when he got his MVP. 56 win team averaging 31 points a game? It was no contest.
    Tariq: you sound like a hater. Don’t start of saying you like Nash then spout out that crap. I was feeling you on the first post, but damn you got off track.
    First off, this is a ranking of players IN THIS DECADE. -THIS DECADE.-
    You can spin it all you want, but Jason Kidd had seven years in the 90s that he was playing at a high, if not higher level, than he played in this decade. More assists, more steals, he just looked good. Sure, Kidd was great for the former half of the decade, but he digressed the latter half. Nash has been better for longer in this decade. So whine as much as you want, make OUTRAGEOUS statements such as Billups was better than Nash… but remember: this is for the DECADE.
    Man, I’m with Bryan on the school of thought around Nash and Kidd… yeah, Kidd is better, but people make it seem like the gap is SO INCREDIBLY LARGE. Kidd wins out because his defense is so much better, and yeah he’s got the rebounding, but as a scorer and passer, Nash is straight up better.
    As much as an in-his-prime Kidd would have been way better for the Dirk/Finley Mavericks, Nash would have been awesome on the early 2000 Nets days, those dudes were made to run and Nash would have orchestrated that beautifully.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Teddy: I’m a bit puzzled with Dirk over Iverson too. Obviously a lot of it has to do with Iverson’s whining over the last two years… but I don’t know, his 7-8 amazing years put him over Dirk’s ten years in my opinion.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    SLAM is the magazine of contradictions and bad lists. Dirk Nowitzki ahead of Iverson this decade, yet Iverson cracks the top 50 list?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    For starters, Tiny Archibald >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason Kidd.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Teddy: In fairness, injuries really derailed Archibald’s career and he only played at a high level for five to six years… while Kidd has been an iron man in turns of production. So there is some argument to be had.
    I do agree though that Archibald is a beast.

  • tavoris

    I dont have a problem with Dirk’s placement. Everybody that’s not Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, & Lebron are interchangeable. Those are the only 4 that have a legit argument for #1. Everybody else can be rearranged based on perspective. Dirk is the only big that’s been as consistent as Duncan, altho neither peaked as high as Shaq. None of them finished the decade playing as well. “Best Euro ever” used to be an empty honor…Dirk’s transcended that and placed himself in the all-time discussion amongst PF’s in NBA History.

  • tavoris

    Teddy…were Tiny’s best seasons any better than Michael Adams? I know that Tiny IS an all-time player, but Kidd is also. His all-court impact completely overshadow his lack of a J. If Kidd had an AVERAGE jumper, would he be considered the best PG ever(I think so)? Hell, it’s been 15 years and he’s STILL one of the better PG’s in the league. That’s something only Stockton can claim.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Tavoris: Uh, I’m feeling you, but Archibald had a season where he averaged 34 and 11.4 on 48% shooting while winning MVP. Michael Adam’s best season was 26-10.5 on 39% shooting… and didn’t get any MVP votes. So, yeah, maybe that was a bit of a bad comparison.
    You probably should check into how good Archibald was before he blew his Achilles.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Jukai:
    Kidd was drafted in 94. Nash was drafted in 96. How does the THIS DECADE argument make a difference?!
    And call me a hater all you want, but the proof is in the pudding. Chauncey Billups is better than Steve Nash. He went to a Denver Nuggets squad that got swept out of the first round last season, and presto– a #2 seed and a Western Conference Finals berth, which matches Nash’s BEST-EVER finish. Steve Nash has never, ever won anything in the playoffs, and yet I STILL regard him as a great player, but you call me a hater. I’m just saying that great players who have actually WON IN THE PLAYOFFS (And can play defense) are better than those who haven’t and can’t. What’s so outrageous about that? Don’t get it twisted: Steve Nash is a great player, but don’t get fooled by the hype and rate him as he deserves to be rated.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Come on now… you think if Nash went to Denver they’d have had any kind of success?

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Wow. If Nash went to Denver, they’d have MORE success than Billups. You wear blinders, man.
    The NBA is a team game. Teams win in the playoffs. Is Bernard King and Pete Maravich scrubs? Is Robert Horry the second best player next to Bill Russell? Your arguments are are hair pullingly black and white. Nash had played 102 playoff games, he’s gotten into the postseason with a MASS amount of different players almost every year. Yet, because he hasn’t played in an NBA Finals game, he’s worse than Chauncy friggin Billups? Who is FAR worse than Nash in just about every single aspect of the game outside of defense, where he’s probably overrated? Getoutofhere. Put down that haterade. Watch some basketball.
    And yeah, I won’t even gotten into the 2006 mob/suspension fiasco.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Also, let me painstakingly re-explain my logic about Kidd playing in the 90s… it has nothing to do with when they were drafted.
    Jason Kidd’s best years were arguably throughout the 90s and the first three/four years of the 2000s. Kid played at a high level for five to six years in the 1990s. Nash played ZERO years at a high level in the 90s. This is why Kidd is a superior player when compared to Steve Nash: he’s played at a super high level for a longer time.
    But Kidd started to digress when he hit 32-33… scoring dropped, percentages still stayed around 40%, and his defense really took a hit. Steve Nash, to my knowledge, has yet to fade… he’s actually been incredible for six years straight! That’s why he’s the better player OF THIS DECADE.
    So, in essence, Kidd > Nash of all time… Nash > Kidd of this decade.
    Of course, if you believe silly things like Chauncy is better than Nash and clouds are angels passing gas, then yeah, my logic is unbelievable.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    What’s beyond me is the fact that Tiny Archibald didn’t win the MVP after: He led the league in Points Per Game, Assists Per Game, Minutes Per Game, Free Throws and Free Throw Attempts Per Game, and Field Goals Made and Field Goal Attempts Per Game. He also came second in Player Efficiency rating, behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
    How in the world did Dave Cowens win MVP that year with 20.5 ppg and 16.2 rpg shooting 45.2% from the field to Tiny’s 48.8%?!?!?
    It must have been because the Celtics posted the best record in NBA history at that time, which explains a lot. I didn’t know this before, and now its more rational. Okay.
    But still. Come on!!

  • 11

    hope you will make an article (or just included the decade’s best series) on your next issue. WHEN IS IT COMING OUT?

  • Washtub

    No 3 is the reason why No 2 doesn’t play center

  • tavoris

    Jukai-taking nothing away from Tiny’s skillz (is legacy is indisputable-he was prolly the first “little guardo 2 b a dominant scorer), it’s kinda not a reason to think that he was better than Ason Kidd. You have to look @ both player’s ENTIRE careers, not just the best years. Kidd had microfracture at the beginning of the decade, & still has been a top 5 point guard (playing with & against other HOF point guards) up until LAST YEAR. Sorry, but a PG that can pass, rebound, guard 3 positions, & DRASTICALLY improve every player he’s played with trumps all that other stuff.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Jukai:
    I’ve been addressing you in a respectful manner and I’d appreciate the same courtesy. The fact that we disagree on the merits on a couple of basketball players is no reason to start making fun of each other. If you aren’t capable of having intelligent discussion, I can ignore you. In any case, back to the discussion:
    You say Nash’s skills haven’t eroded at all. OK, who is the best point guard in the NBA today? Are you seriously saying that Nash is better than Chris Paul? If you are, than I’m not the one who has blinders on.
    And as for the beginning-middle part of the decade, up until Kidd’s microfracture surgery, it was agreed upon that Kidd was the best point guard in the NBA.
    Also, when you say “Are Bernard King and Pete Maravich scrubs?” and when you bring up Robert Horry, a few points:
    1- Bernard King suffered a horrible knee injury which affected his career, but that’s neither here nor there.
    2- I’m not saying that Nash is a scrub. Nash is a great player. All I’m saying is that he’s overrated. And he’s overrated because of those two MVPs he never should have won. Those two awards skew people’s perceptions of him. Go back and read Lang’s entry in the Top 50. For every other NBA great, there’s a sh*tload of accomplishments to write about. What is there to write about in Nash’s case? What the hell has he ever accomplished? And thank you for bringing up Bernard King and Pete Mavarich, because those players are definitely not scrubs, but those are the class of players that Nash should be mentioned among. Those are his ilk. Jason Kidd is leagues beyond him.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Having Nash on this list is just sad and to me Dirk should be 10 and maybe left off. I hate Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, but would have them over Nash and Dirk on this list. Also why does Nash get all of this Tebow love, when Dirk and Nash played together and did nothing for some years, and the Phx teams are fakes, they are regular season teams and Dirk choked the finals, so he lost everything to me as a player. Wade should be higher since he won and also Tony Parker should be over nash, he has three titles, Finals MVP and averages more PPG and has a few less assists. KObe is number one, no question, I am glad Shaq left, because Kobe would have been seen as a Pippen his whole career. Also how is AI behind Dirk and Lebron. AI to me had one of the greatest runs of all time that season he went to Finals, then capped it off by beating the heavlily favored Lakers who were undefeated in the playoffs in the first game of the FINALs. We forget about all of his years keeping the no talented 76er team around and the Mavs had teams, but no leaders,but now two of those players are top 10 of decade. Come on, At least Slam got Kobe at number one right and Ryan Jones didn’t write the recap. GO SLAM!!!

  • Derek

    Tiny didn’t win the MVP that year because his team only won 36 games and didn’t make the playoffs. He was more concerned with his stats than making his team better.

  • Andrej

    Where is Tracy McGrady? jkjk

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Oh yeah, I forgot about Tony Parker! You mean to tell me that Nash is better than Tony Parker?! LOL.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Nash is a better passer and shooter than Parker, but no way is he a better PLAYER than Tony Parker.

  • drock

    Great write up. This list made me think of a couple of” what ifs” like what if Jordan never retired the first time and played on for two more titles. The distance in comparing him and Kobe would be even greater. The same goes for Kobe. If he quietly played second fiddle to Shaq his ring collection would be higher and would distance himself from Lebron when its all said and done. The crazy thing about this list is the only player the we haven’t seen a true ceiling on is Lebron and when he reaches his full potential its gonna be scary

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    WOW, that’s the lamest argument I’ve ever heard. Tiny Archibald does everything for his team and LEADS THE LEAGUE IN ASSISTS but wasn’t concerned with making his team better? That’s the worst argument against him I’ve ever heard. Basketball is a team game the last I checked. I also haven’t heard of a player leading the league in scoring and assists since. So thanks for the information, but your reasoning is comlpetely ridiculous, Derek.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    co-sign Teddy

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    Tariq : if Nash is a better shooter and passer what exactly is Parker better at than Nash? They both get torched on D regularly. Also enough with the Kidd for MVP sh*t it was 7 years ago and he flat out did not deserve it. 14 points and 9 assists on 39% from the field is not MVP caliber in the years we’re discussing. 1961? Sure that’s about on par. Not only is it not mvp worthy but its not better than 15 and 11 on 50 40 90 shooting. Especially when 15 and 11 came on a 62 win western conference team and not a 52 win eastern conference team. Its not like Martin, Kittles and Van Horn were just bums. Van Horn was a 20 ppg guy before Kidd came around. And as bad as Nash is on defense he is that much better than Kidd offensivley. The 17 and 11 Nash has averaged over the past 5 years is impressive but the 16 and 8 he was putting up in dallas wasn’t bullsh*t. And it sure as f*ck wasn’t system based. I don’t mean to come over disrespectfully so if I am I apologize.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    If you take away kidd’s ability to pass and make him beat you by scoring you win. If you do that with Nash you’re gonna pay for it. To the tune of lets say 48 like he dropped on Memphis in the playoffs.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Bryan:
    Nah bro, no need to apologize. You bring up valid points. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, and I’m open to changing my mind. I’m not an expert. I just don’t appreciate Jukai talking to me like I’m an idiot.
    As to your points:
    1- re: Kidd’s MVP: Yeah, maybe Kidd shouldn’t have been MVP that year, but my whole thing is this: look at what Graham wrote “[Kidd] was denied the honor (he finished second in voting to Duncan) because stats and fashion dictated that point guards don’t receive the Maurice Podoloff trophy. That was the thinking at the time.” WOW. So a paradigm shift occurred between 2001 and 2004?! Why wasn’t it OK for a PG to get the MVP in 2001, but all of a sudden the “thinking” changed in 2004? What’s so “special” about Nash? Oh, I know: he loves soccer. I mean, if it was a 15-year gap, then I could swallow that “thinking” line. In any case, Shaq should have been MVP in 2004 and you know it.
    2- I never said that Nash’s production in Dallas was bullsh*t. It was pretty good.
    3- What is Parker better at than Nash? How about scoring in the paint? Has there ever been a PG who does that better than TP? Also, while Parker will never be confused with Payton on the defensive end, he is not as glaring a liability as Nash. But my biggest issue with Nash is his lack of postseason success. Look, I don’t rank Billups and Parker above Nash because they have rings. Kidd doesn’t have a ring and he’s better than all of them. Basketball is a team game and all that. But at some point, if you’re a truly great player, you have to have SOME KIND OF PLAYOFF SUCCESS. And Nash isn’t Kevin Garnett, who played his entire career with the L-Wolves. He played on some STACKED teams. And what does he have to show for it? THREE trips to the CONFERENCE finals. the CONFERENCE finals. And one of those three times, he got there with the Mavs only because they benefitted from Webber going down with an injury, otherwise the Kings would have eliminated them. But give him three. THREE conference finals appearances. I remember him going on Letterman and even Letterman made fun of him for that. And yet, still, I’m not saying that Nash is a scrub. He’s a HOF player. But you know what? So are Billups and Parker. I’m not saying that Baron Davis is better than Nash. I’m saying that truly great players are better than Nash. And if he hadn’t won those two media awards, if he had somehow come in second in the voting, a lot more people would agree with me. But two shiny (regular season) trophies cover up a lot.

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