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Thursday, December 3rd, 2009 at 10:30 am  |  108 responses

Eddie Jordan Wants Iverson to Start

Well, that’s certainly one way to ensure that A.I.’s return to Philly won’t be a total disaster: “We’re looking at a couple options,’ said coach Eddie Jordan when asked about his rotation once Iverson is in uniform. ‘One of the options we’re looking at is obviously, I would like him to start. I haven’t talked to the team about it, but it’s a thought process. When I make that decision I will talk to the team first and then will tell you guys. I’m really looking to see if he can fit into our starting lineup, but it’s not etched in stone.’ It would be hard to imagine Iverson not starting come Monday, particularly after his disdain of sitting on the bench led to his parting with the Memphis Grizzlies earlier this season. Add to that what the fan reaction might be when he is announced, it certainly would be a nice change to what has been a very quiet Wachovia Center.”

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  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Iverson or Jrue Holiday? No sh!t Sherlock..

  • Papou

    Yeah, very hard decision. NOW START HIM AND STFU!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    If Philly doesn’t start him Allen Iverson might literally explode due to an excessive amount of self pitty and entitlement…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Also, if AI gets benched it might be the most hilarious thing ever to happen in the sport of basketball…it won’t happen, but if it did, oh man…

  • http://myspace.com/rsaenz24 RoG23

    Eddie wants to, or Eddie HAS TO ?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    As if he had any say in the matter… let’s all review this when sweet Lou gets back from his injury. 7 weeks seems about right to get back into game shape, right? (especially for an athletic freak of nature like Iverson)

  • clockwork

    I think Iverson wants Iverson to start too

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    That’s about all he cares about though clockwork…that whole winning thing isn’t too high on the priority list…lol

  • rikson

    Thanks Philly, AI hasnt learned a thing – again! I think one year without playing could have reawaken his love for the game (and not stats), and would have been actually good for AIs future… No you have a player whos (slowly) loosing his game (although he doesnt recognize that) and still want to start every year! So…. thanks

  • tavoris

    Eddie J has always been a coach who’s partial to his guards, so this isn’t much of a surprise.

  • tavoris

    @Darksaber, he did have a choicem just like Curry and Hollins had a choice to start him.

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    Wayno did AI screw your mum or something? It’s gotta be asked…

  • tavoris

    @rikson-sooooooo, benching him was all about teaching him a lesson, and not about winning? because, the teams that benched him didn’t…um…win while doing so.

  • tavoris

    @360vue-that’s cold…

  • black pinoy

    wrong start for eddie. dont say youre thinkin of starting iverson because thats the same exact thing detroit and mempiss did..when they werent able to start him then iverson just lost it..dudes got trust issues now because of what them teams did to him..but i sure do hope iverson gets the playing time he needs (losing his ego wouldnt hurt to)

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    @tavoris, i know i know, but at least it wasn’t as needless as the majority of his comments on AI this week

  • tavoris

    @360vue. you just put urself on wayno’s “it list” for the next 90 days or so. Good news is that he might leave me alone in the meantime.

  • Yesse

    Well this is good.Now A.I. doesnt have to leave the team.

  • peter

    Everyone talking about “sense of entitlement”…what about track record…what was Stuckey’s? Conley’s? It’s hardly like Iverson is some high school kid demanding to start. The youngsters should be willing to sacrifice and wait their turn…could you ever imagine MJ coming off the bench?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    For real 360? That’s all you got? I’m disappointed…@ Tavoris, don’t flatter yourself too much with that whole hit list theory, I don’t specifically go after you, you just say more stupid sh!t than most people on here so I can’t help but respond.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Well Peter, AI isn’t even near MJ status, not even close, that’s the first flaw in your argument. By the time MJ was AI’s age he won 6 titles, so yeah…Also, despite being a bit delusional, both Memphis and Detroit’s management think/thought that thier youngster was the PG of the future and wanted to develop them during a rebuilding year. AI was CLEARLY not part of either team’s future and specifically in the Memphis situation, he knew that going into it. The reasoning actually made sense although it wasn’t the correct decision.

  • Hoodsnake

    So how many balls are they gonna have on the court? I wouldnt bet on less than 2 or Iggy demands a trade by january

  • Still ballin

    Sixer will make the playoff..that a scary team to face in the first round..beause ai and Elton brand have chips in there shoulder..proving the critics wrong!!

  • tavoris

    @wayno-you’re wrong-as always. period.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    MJ at 40 is better than AI right now.

  • peter

    I’m not comparing MJ and AI…I’m comparing to living legends of the game. Point being with all they’ve done for the game you can’t expect them to sit. Granted MJ did more, but it could apply to anyone…even Gary Payton didn’t come off the bench until he got to Miami when he was way more washed up than AI. 27ppg to bench doesn’t translate for anyone.

  • http://myspace.com/rsaenz24 RoG23

    Even though I agree with Wayno on ai, I don’t think its necessary to always bring it up. It is obvious that ai would rather start on a non playoff team than come off the bench for a contender. But that’s just how he is. So let’s just sit back and enjoy ai in the regular season while we can. I don’t think anyone here hates to watch ai drop 50

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why don’t you people actually talk about why he’s said he doesn’t want to be a role player instead of ascribing motives to him based on your biases?
    For the uninformed, Iverson has long said, since he was in his prime, that if there ever comes a time when he’s not number 1 or 2 on the other team’s scouting report, it’s time for him to quit. He has also long had a problem with players who sign on to a “hot” team in the hopes of winning a ring. He feels that if you are just jumping from ship to ship looking for a ring, that takes something away from you as a player. This has been documented in multiple media sources and was just mentioned recently by Eric Snow on NBATV.
    So, this whole meme about Iverson’s selfishness and ego and everything seems to ignore some very salient points. Iverson has a certain way he thinks its ok to win a championship. For him it’s just as much about how he does it, as it is about getting it done. Some people believe the end justifies the means, some folks don’t. That’s a personal thing.
    As for comparing Iverson and Jordan, those of you too young to remember the MJ in Washington years must have forgotten how Jordan clashed with several players about minutes and shots, and how he basically forced a young up and coming team to build it’s entire offense around a 40-year old jumpshooter with bad knees and bad defense.
    Either you’re too young, or you have faulty memories.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Trace

    I like that the Sixers have improved since Iverson left, especially after firing Billy King. I can’t wait to watch the next Sixers game featuring the real AI.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Yeah Rog, but it’s difficult when SLAM posts 16 AI related articles every day, but I suppose you’re right. Like I said before, him landing in Philly is a best case scenario and will hopefully be good for that team.

  • http://www.twitter.com/Th3_R3al_Chris Th3_R3al_Chris

    Allen Iverson is most definitely on MJ’s status. Don’t kid yourself. Nobody had more passion and determination and will than MJ. Nobody except number 3 from Georgetown.

  • http://www.twitter.com/Th3_R3al_Chris Th3_R3al_Chris

    And speaking of faulty memories, apparently many have blocked his tenure with the Nuggets out. As gifted as Carmelo Anthony is, Carmelo Anthony was not the Nuggets best offensive weapon during the Allen Iverson era.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    passion and determination do not = rings Chris….NEXT!

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    What a controversial opinion. In other news, I support not murdering bunny rabbits in front of 5 year olds.

  • Jin

    All we need is KVH and Todd Maccullough to come out of retirement and we are up there with the Lakers and Celtics…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    @ Anton, for some reason I think that is AI were to murder bunny rabits in front of 5 year olds, about 65% of SLAM readers would justify it…

  • tavoris

    & wayno would declare the murder of said bunnies an effort to get minutes and shots instead of a championship

  • http://www.twitter.com/Th3_R3al_Chris Th3_R3al_Chris

    Rings aren’t everything, Wayno. If Allen Iverson were 6’6″ and had a Scottie Pippen to back him throughout his career, I’m pretty sure he’d have several rings too.

  • http://www.twitter.com/Th3_R3al_Chris Th3_R3al_Chris

    Wayno: Also, Shaq has won 4 rings, and probably should have 6 or 7 right now, but 1995, 2004, and 2005 happened as they did. Does this mean that The Diesel is allowed to dictate things in Cleveland even though he is playing worlds worse than he did last year alone? Change your argument because it’s like an expensive parking pass. Unvalidated.

  • Clark

    @ Th3_R3al_Chris
    But Allen Iverson isn’t 6’6″, so why give him the credit he would deserve if he was 6’6″. And not to mention, AI may not have had Pippin, but he has had Carmelo Anthony and C-Webb in his career, and couldn’t do anything with it. He is a hall of famer, but nowhere near Jordan, Magic, Russel, Bird, etc.

  • Clark

    @Trav: I wouldn’t put it past AI to kill for minutes or shots.

  • tavoris

    @clark-you musta not seen Webber hobbling on the court as a Sixer. He was a shell of his former self. re:melo-close, but no team can win playing 2 on 5.

    And AI never complained about shots. He complained about being underutilized in favor of players who weren’t helping the team WIN. There is a HUGE difference. (please go see Allenp’s earlier post for elaboration)

  • peter

    No one in their right mind could argue Iverson is on the same level as Jordan…but he is in the next tier, which still ranks him high enough to be a starter…not to mention he AVERAGED 27, 6 only a year ago. Plus in terms of impact on the game he’s right up there with the top players. e.g. Kobe is a better player than AI, but AI has definitely impacted the game more.

  • tavoris

    ^a lot of people are gonna crucify you for that last statement, dude

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Chris, dude, my statement is unvalidated, yet you come back with “If” “Then” about AI’s height? C’mon may, be real here. You automatically give him rings if he were 6 inches taller? MJ is on a level above players like Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, AI, etc because he was an unbelievably talented player AND he won championships. You honestly think MJ would be considered the GOAT if he put up really good numbers and got alot of individual awards but didn’t win any rings? There’s a balance there. Rings don’t mean everything by a long shot, but they do mean something.

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    @peter AI had a bigger impact than Kobe for a select group of people, an impact that for them, is probably a rival of MJs for the mainstream. But nah, I love AI’s game and parts of his attitude but Kobe mos def had a more substantial impact. AI’s got the hype initially and he represented a different breed of baller but just nah man, I can’t see that and this from a Sixer.

    @AllenP your last post was pure sense, as always. You’re like some robot man; consistently being analytical, logical and balanced.

  • Clark

    @Trav: I agree with the C-Webb thing, but I just don’t like saying Iverson never played around talented guys b/c he did. I think what some people fail to realize was that Iverson was at his best around hustle guys who gave him shots, so saying he didn’t have talent around him is kind of a weird thing to say, because he requires a different kind of talent around him. Also, I admit to being extremely biased as a Detroit fan, but I also blame 80% of that situation on Curry. AI got screwed, but could have handled it better.

  • Clark

    @AllenP: I remember those MJ on the Wiz days, but I also remember supporting him a little more because he was donating his entire salary to Katrina victims (I think, or was it just charity in general?). When Iverson does that instead of thinking about himself, then we can talk (granted he’s not really making enough money to give to anyone…)

  • tavoris

    He did have talent, but it’s pretty safe to say that the championship teams of the last thirty years (except the Bulls) have had MUCH more indiviual talent(I only say except the Bulls because they had 2 or 3 players who were phenomenal at making 12 below-average players appear serviceable).

  • tavoris

    @Clark – AI get’s 6mil a year from Reebok as long as he’s playing in the NBA. Plus, he’s made over a hundred million in his career (and is FAR more frugal than Antoine Walker). He doesn’t need the money either. And Jordan makes 20 mil or so without picking up a basketball, so that “donation” (as an exec that put himself on the team) wasn’t really saying much.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    HOLD ON, LET ME SAY SOMETHING RIGHT NOW:
    AI is NOT Jordan. AI could NOT freaking win even ONE ring with the teams Jordan won on. Jordan had a fantastic team, but it was Jordan’s team, through and through. Replace it with other lesser stars and they win nothing.
    Also, read Allenp’s last post for the truth.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Tavoris: I got crucified here for saying the entire Wizards team and coaching staff could have raised more than 120k or so for a family whose entire house burned down after the mother lost her job.
    So, yeah, twenty million is a little bigger than that.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wayno
    How many championships did Jerry West win?
    One. And he played with three or four HOF his entire career.
    Bottom line, it ain’t about how many rings you win, it’s about whether the media likes you when you do it. Oscar Robertson kicked Jerry West’s butt, put up better numbers and won just as many rings with less talent. Yet West was used for the NBA’s icon. Let’s not even mention that the NBA didn’t even honor Bill Russell with some sort of official tribute until like last year or something.
    Stop fooling yourself.

  • tavoris

    @Jukai-Jordan only made 1.3 mil a year with the Wiz.

  • tavoris

    but you’re spot-on anyway

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Clark
    Let’s be honest, you have no idea how much money Iverson gives to charity.
    Neither do I.
    The difference between us is that I KNOW Iverson makes charitable donations regularly, visits sick kids and generally does good work. I don’t know exactly how much, but I know he’s doing it because I pay attention to that kind of stuff.
    Jordan donated his $1 million salary to Katrina vics. That’s nice and cool for him. But, to pretend that Iverson doesn’t give back is ludicrous.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jordan and Pippen really did carry some fairly mediocre players to rings.
    Then again, let’s not underestimate the ability of the triangle to make players better. That really is one of the best systems in basketball.

  • Clark

    @Trav and AllenP

    Good points. I’m not sure how I went the ‘he’s a good person’ route with Jordan. Strike that argument.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Allen, like I said, rings don’t mean everything at all, but they DO mean something. There would be alot more of a debate as to who the best PF ever was is Tim Duncan didn’t win any rings. Without the Rings TD would still be ONE of the best, but the rings put a guy like that a step above the competition. You feel me there? It’s not like I’m saying Darko Milicic is better than LeBron and Melo because he has a ring.

  • tavoris

    Allenp, wayno is used to believing that the media (and the powers that control it) are to be believed wholeheartedly. As if propaganda, spin, tabliods, and the freedom to lie under “journalistic license” doesn’t exist.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    dude, the media doesn’t have anything to do with this Tavoris…I’m talking about how winning championships does in some way separate players in terms of greatness. Do yourself a favor and try reading before you try to be a smart a$$.

  • tavoris

    @wayno, read the content of everyone’s posts. The entire discussion has-for the most part-been about the divide between perception and reality.

    ur soooooo lost, little dude.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    dude, I was specifically responding to something The Real Chris said, and that’s where you decided to be a smart a$$, don’t kid yourself man.

  • tavoris

    ^still lost. My comment was in response to your comment-which was in rebuttal to Allenp’s comment. Are you still with me? Allenp was commenting on how certain players are deified by the media-and therefore have a more “sterling” legacy. keep up…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wayno
    Rings mean something.
    I don’t think Iverson is on Jordan’s level, or even on Kobe’s level as much as it pains me to make that latter admission. Those players not only got more out of their talent, they also had more team success.
    But, as a basketball icon, Iverson exceeds Kobe and, in many places, is damn near at Mike’s level.
    My point was, as Tavoris noted, some players have their careers denigrated because they failed to win a certain number of championships, other players have their careers celebrated no matter what.
    Hell, has Iverson ever gotten as much love from the media as Pistol Pete? And which one of those cats had a better career?

  • tavoris

    (waiting to see if wayno has the balls to call Allenp a smarta$$)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    I feel you allen, as far as impact goes I’m with you. 360′s 3:53 comment was very well said, AI impacted a select group of people in a way that comes close to paralleling the way MJ impacted the mainstream.

  • http://myspace.com/rsaenz24 RoG23

    All I know is that last year ai said he would rather retire than come off the bench. He didn’t say I wanna retire because I am not the 1 or 2 best player on my team. He didn’t say I wanna retire because I am satisfied with my career . I mean, dude plays every game like its his last, but if he doesn’t wanna come off the bench for a title contender and possibly win multiple rings, then that shows what kind of teammate he really is

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    dude, Tavoris, although I don’t always or even ussually agree with Allen at least he makes coherent, meaningful arguments and is therefore NOT a smarta$$…All you do is contradict everyone who doesn’t 100% agree with your POV.

  • http://myspace.com/rsaenz24 RoG23

    BTW I seriously believe that detroit could have smashed teams last year with ai off the bench. At least on paper. I know he was missinformed about his role, but why not come off the bench behind rip? Is that really an insult to him. Not saying rip is better, but ai is a better fit off the bench, where he can do whatever he wants. AI is not a pg, just an undersized sg

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    I think the perception of AI’s impact has alot more to do with who/where you come from. you allen seem to be someone who is connected to the group of people that AI affected the most and therefore it seems you may be giving too much wieght to his impact. In my case, AI’s impact had little affect on me so I may tend to downplay the impact.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    should read “who you are/where you came from” my bad.

  • Fat Lever

    Am I the only one that would want to see a starting lineup of Holiday, AI, AI2, Thad, EB? I think that squad could be interesting. Holiday is clearly a player and talented. He’s handling himself on the court very well for being put in the starting PG position of an NBA team at 19 years old. I was down on the selection of him initially(I wanted Maynor), but the kid can play.

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    Ouch. I wrote a little discourse to Clark on what AI has done that’s not so selfish but it’s failed to show. Anyway, I’ll re-iterate the final line, Clark get a grip on some facts, ie. search for them yourself, before you label a man’s character.

  • http://www.twitter.com/Th3_R3al_Chris Th3_R3al_Chris

    Jordan donated his salary to 9/11 victims. He retired for good long before Katrina hit. And Wayno, Clark, and anybody else who want to argue that Allen Iverson is not of the same or close-to-same stature as Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, and whoever else mentioned, doesn’t know basketball. Read Lang’s latest Links article for that one.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    WILL THIS EVER STOP?! HE IS A MALCONTENT AND AT THIS POINT AN INCONSEQUENTIAL PLAYER AT BEST! THERE WILL BE NO PLAYOFF ADVANCEMENT, NO MVP CHATTER, NO TUTELAGE, NO RESURRECTION, NO NOTHING! HES BEEN THE LEAD STORY FOR MONTHS AND ULTIMATELY NONE OF IT WILL MATTER! F*CK!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Aaaaahhhh. Thats better.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    damn Myles, you need to go find a punching bad or somethin…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Chis’ rebutal = fail…

  • http://www.twitter.com/Th3_R3al_Chris Th3_R3al_Chris

    AllenP @ 4:27 wins this thread. Thanks for playing, all others.

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    @Fat Lever. I’m biased naturally, but the -talent- that team has this year is top 4 east no questions asked for me. Just pipping ATLs squad. AND that is before adding Iverson. However, sport always highlights how looks on paper can drastically differ from looks on court/field/pitch/rink etc. I’ll be happy to make the playoffs again, the run up to Summer gets boring quickly without a series or two to get stuck into

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    My comment may have disappeared, but the truth about this crock of a story hasn’t.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    Kobe is a malcontent.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kobe is also a better player than Iverson and has worked harder.
    Character flaws are easier to accept from some folks it seems.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Kobe is also a champion and still at/near the top of his game. Kobe wouldnt be ignored during a summer of free agency. Kobe isnt being asked to come off the bench. Kobe quitting on his team is certainly a point to be made, but he didnt do so after two weeks of languishing on a bottom feeder. The only team that showed any interest in him, I might add. Kobe has been out of the first round since 2001. Kobe probably is a malcontent, because hes a competitor and not because hes an inefficient chucker living on the glory of one season that happened almost a decade ago. But most importantly Kobe has nothing to do with the problems of one Allen Iverson.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Kobe also never hid in the bathroom eating Taco Bell during weight training/practice.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    You condemned Iverson for being a malcontent and inconsequential.
    On the first point, I noted that dozens of cats in the league are malcontents. Why does it upset you so much that Iverson is one? Why do you feel like that makes him unworthy of attention?
    As for Iverson being inconsequential, the amount of attention paid to his situation by NBA fans and this magazine would seem to disprove that. Clearly he is consequential. Is he a superstar? No, I’ve been one of the people most willing to say he has fallen off as a player. But, does a decline render him inconsequential? I can’t see that.
    You don’t like Allen Iverson as a ball player. You think his career is full of hype based on one good year. That’s fine. You know I disagree.
    But, I have a problem with applying labels to folks. It irks me. Labeling Iverson a “malcontent” is a way of marginalizing him, and it ignores the fact that his mentality and ego are par for the course in the NBA…
    What Allen Iverson should have learned from this entire ordeal was that no player is bigger than the corporation known as the NBA. No one. The game will move on as long as there is a game to be played. He is a cog in the system, but there will always be newer and better cogs. It’s a lesson EVERY player learns one day. Some learn it gracefully, others do not. But they all learn.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I wouldnt consider it a condemnation as much as an acknowledgement of reality. Sure, plenty of cats are malcontents, but hes certainly the most celebrated/revered/prolific/etc. of them. And I only mean that hes inconsequential in the sense that he isnt going there to teach the younger players or give them what they need for a playoff push. Its because theyre the only team that would have him and we both know that the only place it will ultimately matter is at the box office. This story/saga has been covered relentlessly as though it will end in championship glory. It wont. Itll end in the first round, just like every other stop hes made in the past decade, if that. And the hearts and rainbows surrounding this mess belie another old adage that he may soon learn. You cant go home again.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    Who said this will end in championship glory? I’ve only seen that stupidity from the most loyal of Sixers fans.
    Most folks seem to believe that Iverson’s career gets to end the right way, not with the horrible ending he seemed primed to create earlier this year.
    As for the young players, no doubt you are right. Iverson is not a role model, nor a leader. Again, I’ve admitted this on several occasions. He’s particularly bad when it comes to conducting himself off the court. That said I think it’s possible that the Sixers can make the playoffs this year. It’s not so ridiculous as you make it. I also remember Igoudala saying he learned how to play through pain and compete from watching Iverson.
    I remember Melo raving about Iverson as a teammate. Sure, I heard the stories about Iverson’s bad influence on JR Smith, but it appears that Earl has problems with or withoug Iverson.
    I am happy that dude swallowed his pride and signed the deal he signed with the Sixers. I still see how this could all end horribly in January, but I’m happy for the chance Iverson got.
    I don’t are about the ulterior motives of the Philly brass. I care that Iverson isn’t pushed out of the game the same way Barry Bonds was pushed out of the game because of stuff off the field of play that were overblown by a media that largely never liked either player. Sure, Iverson cares a large share of the blame for what’s happened to his career, but I see the other factors and I’m glad he got another shot.

  • str8 from samoa

    no matter what iverson is gonna start!!!!! yall betta recognize those stats be coming back again!!

  • tavoris

    @wayno, I’m jus sayn…we were saying the EXACT same thing. u concede to Allenp, but say I’m wrong. How? Is it because he’s using better grammar? Does that give you some impression about his background? Does my stream-of-consciousness give you some impression of mine?

    Your whole argument (and history) reeks of something. Not gonna call you out on it out loud tho

  • tavoris

    I guess everybody seems to forget that Kobe was once labeled “uncoachable” by the coach that handles personalities like no other. AI also never, ever, ever had a legal situation as bad as Kobe’s in Colorado; nor did he (on video) drag a teammate under a bus with spiked wheels. As long as the seats are fullm the suits are tailored, and the champagne is flowing, people forget-or ignore-that a player is the biggest d!ck in the NBA over the last fifteen or so years.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Allen: Only correction I’ll make for you is that Pistol Pete was a very hated player during his playing days. The media called him a ballhog, a showboat who didn’t care about winning, and a malcontent/curse to basketball. It wasn’t until he was retired that he got the love he gets today.
    Really, read The Pistol. Dude gets credit for shaping the way basketball is played, but he certainly didn’t get it in his playing days. Very similar to Iverson, if you wanna think about it.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    the identity that many struggle with, is that Allen Iverson has been someone who, whilst being naturally gifted he has also had to work to get himself and his standing in the NBA to where it’s at. The upper echelon. Whether he stays there after this run with Philadelphia remains to be seen; also whether the coaching staff use him properly remains to be seen (the key Coach if your reading, is play him minutes, take him out when he is fatigued or in foul trouble – leave it at that).

    He WILL fill seats in philly and this ‘return to home’ will be the feel good story many out there have wanted for AI.

  • CARTEL

    stop bullsh*tting and just start the man…it’s not like he is so terribly bad that he doesnt deserve to……HE’S ALLEN IVERSON STUPID!!!…YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU’RE GETTING!!!!

  • http://www.youtube.com/tripledouble TripleDouble

    AllenP @ 1:49… The man!

  • rikson

    “@rikson-sooooooo, benching him was all about teaching him a lesson, and not about winning? because, the teams that benched him didn’t…um…win while doing so.” @Travoris: Nothing better than your logic… I never sayed that benching him was about teaching him a lesson, but I think that a year without playing could have teached him that valuable lesson – there is a difference! You may think I dont like Iverson, but thats just not true and comes from your incredible logical-ability. Its time for him to understand where his place is, and what his strengths are – and I hope he will find out soon – as this is the only way hell get a ring. And lets be true an Iverson without a ring is just sad….

  • rikson

    The Jordan-Wizards “young and upcoming”???? I have missed something obviously…. This was a team that went nowhere, and was searching for a way to get money!

  • rikson

    “Wayno: Also, Shaq has won 4 rings, and probably should have 6 or 7 right now, but 1995, 2004, and 2005 happened as they did. Does this mean that The Diesel is allowed to dictate things in Cleveland even though he is playing worlds worse than he did last year alone?” How come Iverson can demand this, he doesnt even have ONE ring AND plays worse than last year?! Me thinks its time for you to change your argument….

  • Baguma

    iverson chose to retirement over reserve role. he made it clear that he will either start or retire. when philly decided to sign him, they had technically accepted his condition. “we are looking at a couple of options”. coach, there is no option. start him or philly wouldn’t have signed him in the first place. i don’t like his attitude but when the memphis situation is repeated, i will blame the coach.

  • tavoris

    @rikson-read ur earlier comment that prompted my response. People who have to always say “that’s not what I meant” should keep their 2 cents in their pocket. period.

  • rikson

    @travoris: I never said “thats not what I meant” all I said was “Thats not what I said” -> there is a big difference. In addition I dont get your problem with “thats not what I meant”, as conversation will ALWAYS bring misunderstanding with it…

  • tavoris

    @rikson, this is getting tedious, but what do you mean by “Thanks Philly, AI hasnt learned a thing – again!”? How do you know that-by EJ saying he plans to start Iverson? Could it be that Jordan is the only coach he had of the last 3 that actually CARED ABOUT WINNING? Or should Iverson come off the bench behind Willie Green and Royal Ivey?

  • C@M

    Iverson back in Philly….. I LOVE it!!! Iverson can still play, it may not be the 2001 Iverson, but The Answer still has something left in the tank. & this team is better than when he left, Iggy & Thadeous fillin the lanes; Big Brand inside, it’ll be fun to watch & see what happens in Philly.

  • rikson

    @travoris: Maybe just a misunderstanding! YES!!! AI should come off the bench, not because of his talent, he is without doubt better than those two, but to learn a thing or two. Or do you think that he has made the right decisions the last 2 years? He will never learn learn like this, thats my point dude!

  • tavoris

    rikson, ur last comment just proved my point about your earlier comment.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Rikson
    So, you’re advocating that Iverson should be taught a lesson. Like a child.
    At 34-years old.
    Yeah, that’s not going to happen.

  • tavoris

    Allenp-he said that he didn’t say that. But, then he said it again.

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