Monday, December 7th, 2009 at 9:01 am  |  160 responses

Post Up: The Kobe Shot

Sicker than your average.

by Holly MacKenzie/@stackmack

I know it’s Monday and we should probably talk about the games from last night, but really, did you think I would be able to start this without talking about Friday night. Kobe. Wade. Wade draped over Kobe, arm outscretched, Kobe falling to the left, heaving up a shot that I didn’t think he’d even be able to attempt before time expired, let alone bank in for the win…. Yeah.

That is why he is the best.

Best what? Simply the best. I don’t care about stats, numbers, who would or wouldn’t want him taking the last shot, first shot, game-winning shot, whatever shot, to me, he is just the best player in the league. Still. LeBron, Melo, Dwyane, fill-in-blank-here, you’re all really close, amazing, fantastic and I’m so thankful to get the privilege of watching you play, but there is only one and his name is Kobe.

I can’t even explain it except to say, if I was Kobe’s teammate and he looked over at me in a huddle and told me we were going to win the basketball game, independent of the situation, probability or even possibility of that happening, I’d trust him. I would believe in him. The reaction from Shannon Brown showed he believes something similar.

That shot had no business being close. It was perfect. One of the most exciting I’ve ever seen. Twitter makes these moments even better.

Hope most of you were able to catch it live. It was wild. Random Lakers note: my goodness, Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum are really, really good. The game was also a great one and props go out to a Heat team that bounced back on the second night of a back to back after getting smoked by the Nuggets in Denver to come thisclose to stealing one from the Lakers. They bounced back from the loss in LA to grab the victory against the Kings last night, thanks to Dwyane’s pretty little line of 34 points, 10 assists, five rebounds and four blocked shots.

In the loss, Tyreke Evans was (again), pretty awesome. 30 points, on 10-for-19 shooting, four rebounds, four assists and three steals. The rookie is balling. In the Eastern Conference, Brandon Jennings and the Bucks are slumping and had an awful game against the Cavaliers (and by awful, I mean, it took them something crazy like 11 minutes of bball time to get from 17 points to 19. Yes, it was bad), but I’m hoping they get it back and we get a head-to-head battle between these two young stars, that’ll be one for the ages.

Speaking of the Cavs, someone needs to tell LeBron to save his moves for the dancefloor. Our guys Myles and Vince were discussing it over Twitter, and Myles had a great point: Can you picture Bron busting out those moves against the Celtics or Lakers? I’m sure Ron, Kobe, Sheed and KG would appreciate them much more than Noah did.

Yikes.

Since we’re talking about LeBron: The guy’s passing is prettier than ever and I love seeing him cheer for Delonte who had 21 points off of the bench, on 6-for-9 shooting.

Tonight. Is finally here. Allen Iverson is home in Philly and it’s all going to be going down live, on NBATV. I’m attempting to get this DVR of mine hooked up to record it. It’s only been sitting in a box by my TV since I moved into my apartment last October. Oops. I loathe hooking up electronics as much as I love basketball. That’s a lot.

I know I’m avoiding the Greg Oden news. I don’t have anything else to say. Or, I can’t say anything else without getting upset. I wrote about it for my blog over at TheScore.com, and that’s really all I have left inside of me, with respect to this situation. My heart is aching for the city of Portland and their amazing fans. I’m feeling for the entire Blazers organization, I’m thankful for the class, grace and genuine care they’ve shown for Oden and, of course, I’m sending positivity and love his way.

Congratulations to the Nets, for grabbing their first victory of the season and killing that nasty losing streak/start to the season. I was hoping they’d get victory number two in NYC yesterday, but as you can see from the game notes we’ve got posted, it didn’t happen.

Did you all see Chris Paul’s crazy-insane line from his return to the court on Friday night? In a victory over the TWolves, CP3 came back bigtime, scoring 16 points, dishing 15 assists, grabbing six boards, snagging eight steals and blocking a shot. Yeah. How does a guy return from an ankle injury to grab eight steals? The guy is special.

So tell me, what would you do if the clock was winding down in the third quarter and your opponenet decided to tuck the ball against their side, bend over and tie their shoes? If you’re Luol Deng, you’d shuffle back and forth watching, politely waiting for him to finish. #bullsfail.

Have a great Monday, everyone. Make sure you tune in to catch Allen’s return tonight.

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  • roman Posted: Dec.7 at 9:27 am
    That shot on Friday was sick- It was a trip watching how the game was placed in Kobe’s hands. Props to D. Fish for his clutch shot also, but the way Kobe hit that shot with D. Wade draped all over him was classic. Great to be a basketball fan. It gonna be a while til we see a player of this caliber.

  • j4zzm4n Posted: Dec.7 at 9:28 am
    kobe’s shot was just fantastic that whole game was off the hook .

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 9:30 am
    Holly, you know you’re my firl and and all….but let’s be clear. Kobe’s shot, while wondorous and clutch, was, as he even said, pure luck. Nothing about the being the greatest made that shot exceptional. ANY player in the league could have thrown that prayer and made it, and actually, there have been similar moments that have occured where that sort of shot has been made. The Heat had no businees being in the position to steal tha game and they did (were) and lost it on poor free-throw shooting. The fact that there was no mention of Kobe’s two airballs on the two previous possesions is a bit confounding too. The Lakers won, Kobe hit an incredible shot, and they beat a midlevel Heat team with their best player shooting like Luke Walton. The shot will be the only thing remembered from the game, but it’s not an accurate analysis as to the great intensity that went along with the entire game.

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 9:32 am
    *girl

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 9:41 am
    And I think the Suns have showed themselves to be what we all knew what they were….finally…. after 20 games…..nothing.

  • jumpman3224 Posted: Dec.7 at 9:52 am
    Luck is the residue of design. At least that what coaches have always told me. Meaning players like Kobe that put in the most work are going to be lucky more than anyone else. Also, I think one thing that makes great teams great in the long run is being able to pullout wins against mid-level teams after not playing their best basketball.

  • Bryan Posted: Dec.7 at 9:52 am
    Co sign eboy on all fronts.

  • Darksaber Posted: Dec.7 at 10:08 am
    Twitter REALLY was annoying when Kob’s tossed up that prayer of a buzzer beater. Holly went freaking gaga, people (umm, Kobaholics) started proclaiming KOb’s > MJ, felt like heaving. I co-sign Eboy, as an example, Dirk’s game winner vs. Bucks was a “lucky bounce” according to many here, but Kob’s winner, while pretty as sin, is a reason to hyperventilate? Just.as.lucky. Lebron needs to chill, that was some of the worst showboating i’ve seen in a while, that rookie, Green, he should be watching Mike Brown’s plays (yeah, i know, he’s got like…3), instead of dancing next to the megastar who’ll forget your name as soon as you move to your next team, during timeouts…. Imagine Reggie dancing back in the day, someone woulda floored him next time he went for a layup

  • Niya-girl-fresh Posted: Dec.7 at 10:10 am
    Lmao @ people downplaying Kobe’s shot I seen it alot on too many forums. If Kobe’s shot was lucky was LeBron’s shot lucky too? You all need to stop. The Miami heat came off of a fresh road win against one of the elite teams in Denver so they aren’t a push over team and D-Wade is an all star and has some good pieces around him this season not flat out bums. Also Miami shot 42 or 46 freethrows and only made 26 of them so the freethrow line was on their side, silly fouls made by L.A. if those fouls weren’t made the game would’ve shifted in an entirely different direction. Every great player has a shot that look odd and makes em Jordan, LeBron, etc it happens. GREAT players make them more often, Kobe in that game has several degree of difficulty shots he made, most of them shot clock beaters so it wasn’t like it was too far fetched that last one couldn’t possibly go in. Call it luck, down play it all you want to people he still mad an incredible shot that’s part of his career. Even had other NBA players tweeting about it. And Kobe also said when he was younger they’d practice trick shots on bikes off of phone posts in change for candy when they were kids, lol, too cute.

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 10:14 am
    LeBrons shameless showboating means one of two things. He doesnt respect the lower level teams of the league and will show them up when he feels like it, or hes scared of the title contenders, since we all know he wouldnt do that bull sh*t to the Celtics or Lakers. Either way, its corny and it seems like they wouldve learned their lesson from last year.

  • Niya-girl-fresh Posted: Dec.7 at 10:16 am
    Come on non-Kobe people, stop being biased, fickle and hypocritical. If this were someone else you’d all be in agreement and raving like the cheerleaders at the game,I can search this entire forum of old archeives and have proof. Let the Kobe grudge go it’s been 14 season and people still got that “I can’t stand Kobe” chip embedded in them. We’re b-ball fans we need to appreciate the game not be worrying about which player we’re more likely to be friends with and take home to play playstation off the court *smh* I’ve seen lucky plays and shots my entire time being a NBA fan and I’ve enjoyed all of them from all of the players who made em, it makes for great t.v. lol

  • Niya-girl-fresh Posted: Dec.7 at 10:18 am
    And I like Lebron’s show boating I’m tired of these soft NBA players with these humble attitudes take it back to the 90′s where competiton and arrogance wasn’t a big deal.

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.7 at 10:24 am
    If they took it back to the 90′s LeBron would have been clothes lined by now and probably would have missed a game or two.

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 10:25 am
    Its not a big deal, if you do it to everyone. Otherwise, if youre just going to pick on people you know you can do it to and not someone who can fight back, then thats the very definition of a bully.

  • AlbertBarr Posted: Dec.7 at 10:27 am
    Luol Deng cant help but be polite…he is British. Oh, and that Kobe shot was insane and exciting…who cares if it was lucky or not. Enjoy the EFFING game! That is the kind of moment any NBA fanatic should live for.

  • Breeze Posted: Dec.7 at 10:31 am
    i co-sign niya…it isnt far fetch from kobe other many buzzer beaters over 2 or 3 defenders fadeaways incredible shots this is what he does ….i mean i guess the glory of it to some people is like so what but it is amazing that this guy can pull it out in the 4th quarter thiers know 4th quater player like such.

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 10:33 am
    Wow.

  • ciroqobama Posted: Dec.7 at 10:36 am
    @niya-girl-fresh: when I read the part where u said Miami won in Denve

  • ciroqobama Posted: Dec.7 at 10:38 am
    @Niya-girl: Miami didn’t win in Denver… Hard to me to follow your argument after u miss that.

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 10:44 am
    If Dwyane would have made that shot we’d have read “the only way the Heat can beat the Lakers is on some lucky-ass prayer”. I would like to use my comment veto power and say that I’m claiming the same thing on the Heat’s behalf.

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 10:50 am
    Oh…..and just another reason to hate on Team Purple….after LO was tech’ed up for the second time and left the floor after his confrontation with JO (LO/JO that’s a bit annoying)….his ugly-ass wife got out of her seat and left too. I guess LO’s fragile soul couldn’t be on his own at the moment. It was like a mom of a middle schooler who fouled out of a game who needed to console her little boy.

  • niQ Posted: Dec.7 at 10:52 am
    I never knew you get a free pass if you start tying your shoe lace..

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Dec.7 at 10:54 am
    Eboy, pretty sure I’d give Dwyane props if he hit that shot. And lucky or not, how many of those ridiculous shots has he hit? It’s just another reason why he is the best player in this league, in my opinion. Coco, Myles, if he keeps it up, it’s going to happen. And, the assistants on that team need to step up and do their job, and tell him to chill.

  • Niya-girl-fresh Posted: Dec.7 at 10:54 am
    Excuse me not in Denver my fault I can admit that, but coming off a road win, Miami is not that same ill team they were last season, though Wade isn’t beasting YET, they still are a decent team. Remember there’s always that one team that makes the elite teams battle test, I’ve seen it this season with Boston, Denver and Pheonix, they suck though. @Eboy all you could’ve said is “I just don’t like Kobe or the Lakers”.

  • kudos Posted: Dec.7 at 10:55 am
    I don’t even know you eboy, but you sound like a lil kid. Believe me, if the heat won d-wades shot would be number one in every sportcenter highlight. And people like you will proclaim dwade as the best ever. whatta loser.

  • Niya-girl-fresh Posted: Dec.7 at 10:57 am
    @ Co Co Lebron’s not that easy to clothesline lol.

  • Niya-girl-fresh Posted: Dec.7 at 10:59 am
    I agree about Lamar though his temper is damn near right there with what how Ron Artest and Kenyon Martin’s is. What’s the total number of technicals before a suspension? But come on now I’m not a guy but I know most of you all here are, if a guy dunked over you and purposely swung on the rim with his jewels sitting on your shoulders you wouldn’t get mad too?

  • Cheryl Posted: Dec.7 at 11:00 am
    LMAO at Co Co’s comment. So true, my sistah, so true.

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 11:06 am
    Uhm….I remember when Lebron hit his game-winner “prayer” against the Magic in the playoffs last season and the majority of the people that commented on it said it was complete luck. Just saying. And that was in an important game….not a regular season contest.

  • Brad Long Posted: Dec.7 at 11:12 am
    Let me clarify a few things, was Kobe’s shot lucky? Sure. So are most buzzer beaters in that situation. Oh yeah, E, you failed to mention the reason why Wade was shooting like Luke Walton was because Kobe was D-ing his ass up most of the game. As far as LeBron’s dancing is concerned, I could care less. It’s bush league and silly but so are a lot of things other guys have done throughout the league, like Sam and Kobe doing the big balls dance. He’ll look just as stupid as they did when he’s doing that sh!t and they end the game with an L.

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 11:14 am
    kudos…..I don’t want to know you either….but I’m pretty certain that I would never claim that Dwyane is the best player ever if he hit a bullsh*t game-winner or any other form of winning basket. The reason? I’m not an ignorant Laker fan.

  • Darksaber Posted: Dec.7 at 11:18 am
    Co-sign ciroq. Miami got handled by Denver, but hey, not like Laker fans to put some spin on things, right?

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Dec.7 at 11:19 am
    Eboy, I’m going to assume you were not directing that ignorant comment at me, because I’m not an ignorant anything fan. Having watched Kobe for the last 14 years, he is simply the best player I’ve seen in my lifetime. It isn’t even about that shot, as I explained, “I can’t even explain it except to say, if I was Kobe’s teammate and he looked over at me in a huddle and told me we were going to win the basketball game, independent of the situation, probability or even possibility of that happening, I’d trust him. I would believe in him. The reaction from Shannon Brown showed he believes something similar.” And do you claim Wade as the best player in this league, or do you give someone else the title?

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 11:19 am
    Yes, Brad, Kobe and three other Lakers made the effort on each possession to shut Dwyane down. They did a good job at limiting him. They..period.

  • CaliFaithful Posted: Dec.7 at 11:20 am
    LOL Co Co, so true. Dudes like LeBron and Rondo wouldn’t survive if they tried their antics back in the day. Well maybe LeBron would, but lil’ dudes with big mouths like Rondo… eh lol

  • Brad Long Posted: Dec.7 at 11:22 am
    I guess I somehow missed the fact that the Lakers were triple teaming him on each posession. No wonder the game was so close!

  • Darksaber Posted: Dec.7 at 11:24 am
    So umm, Kob’s banker wasn’t on Sportscenter? Must have been another yellow/purple wearing dude i saw being constantly replayed that evening… In other news, Dajuan Blair is a beast. Russ said it right on Twitter, ” ACL Shawty”!

  • Allenp Posted: Dec.7 at 11:25 am
    Bron the bully.
    What KG say”
    “Let’s bully these n#ggas.”
    I would have been pissed if Bron was dancing if I played for the Bulls. But, instead of whining like a little punk on the sideline, I would have flagranted fouled the piss out of The King and let the word witness my anger.
    Noah chirping like a sucker, begging Lebron to “act right” was lame to me. Bron basically pissed on your front porch. You gonna ask him to clean it up, or you gonna punch him in the mouth?
    I don’t think Bron is “scared” of the Lakers or the Celtics. But, I do know that the Lakers and the Celtics wouldn’t have been beggin Lebron to play fair either.

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 11:25 am
    It was dummy, because the other Heat players actually made shots….a good strategy by Phil and his staff, because on most nights that strategy works well for the Heat. Stop staring at Kobe’s ballbag each possession and you’d be surprised at what you’d see. And no Holly, you aren’t in that category. Bradley is borderline. :)

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 11:25 am
    Blah, blah, blah. Is it March yet?

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Dec.7 at 11:27 am
    @Myles, I’ve got a practice to get to. Thanks for that reminder :)

  • Darksaber Posted: Dec.7 at 11:27 am
    Uh oh, Holly’s getting into it. Been a while, guess it is true what they say…. to get flavour, just add Eboy. Hehehe

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 11:27 am
    If he aint scared to do it to the Bulls, couldnt that mean that he is scared since he wont do it to the C’s or Lakers? Like I said, its either that hes scared or simply doesnt respect anyone else. Which is fine I guess, there are only a handful of contenders, but then just come out and say so.

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 11:28 am
    Joakim Noah is in the same gangsta category as The Machine.

  • Allenp Posted: Dec.7 at 11:31 am
    Myles
    Do you mean “scared” like he’s worried about getting beat up? Or “scared” like he doesn’t want to give a good team any extra motivation.
    I think it’s the latter more than the former.
    Lebron ain’t worried about pissing off the Bulls. But, nobody in the league wants to deal with a pissed off Ron Artest and Kobe Bryant. Or a pissed off KG and Paul Pierce. That’s trouble for your whole team.

  • CaliFaithful Posted: Dec.7 at 11:32 am
    I have no problem with showing a lil’ old school arrogance in the game, competition is competition, if you’re better you’re better, BUT there is a point, you are just being a punk ass bitch if you’re only doing it to lower level teams. I’d love to see someone bust out some taunts to real contender teams. Let the players play and bring the passion back to the game. Agreed with AllenP, Noah’s not even exactly a model player himself, shouldn’t have just let LBJ go on if he was a true competitor. This whole trying to be a “bigger man” thing is getting old. Bring back the bad boy days.

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 11:33 am
    The latter.

  • Breeze Posted: Dec.7 at 11:34 am
    @eboy dwayne has hit the same kind of shots more than once before.. and it was equally praised but its not as amazing when this one guy has done this thru-out his career…besides the crazy shot if im not mistaken didnt he have 17 that quarter..like you can hate him off the court all you liek but its not a soul on this earth better than that dude…like all the other players we can mentioned are mention something …overtime i believe they will improve and take on this title but hes been sicket than your average for a minute…like has gotten better like are you serious…better with time adjusted his moves to his age he can play another 7 years ..like you gonna hate for that long too are change your opinion when he eventually wins the next 3 titles out of six years. playing at the level!

  • Joey E. Posted: Dec.7 at 11:35 am
    what was with Jermaine trying to tea bag Lamar on Friday. I was cracking up lol

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 11:35 am
    Its like if I clowned your little brother and all his friends in the lunch room everyday during middle school, but once we were in high school with you and your friends, my whole demeanor changes cause I know I cant get away with that sh*t. My thing is, if youre gonna do it, do it to everybody. Otherwise you look scary to me.

  • fahrenheit Posted: Dec.7 at 11:36 am
    eboy.. can’t you stop your whining for one sec, and just appreciate the damn game?

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Dec.7 at 11:40 am
    By the way, here’s the link to my Oden piece: http://my.thescore.com/courtsurfing/archive/2009/12/07/get-well-soon-g-o.aspx

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.7 at 11:49 am
    I really do love D-Wade.

  • Darksaber Posted: Dec.7 at 11:54 am
    Gerald Wallace is leading the L. in rebounds. A 3, leading the league of “supermen” and Bynums in rebounds…. I know who deserves that Nod from the coaches at the next ASG. Forget Kobe doin work, “Crash” is running the company.

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.7 at 11:54 am
    Okay this is the real Co Co and ya’ll know good and hell well I wouldn’t post that. I don’t care about him one way or another. Someone needs to grow up.

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.7 at 11:59 am
    Let me stop…D-Wade is my BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

  • namik Posted: Dec.7 at 12:02 pm
    All I can say is that from what I remember, when LeBron hit his insanely lucky shot, all the experts here, on ESPN etc. were calling it one of the most memorable shots in history. In fact, I distinctly remember Myles saying something about the look on Bronnies face being one of the few moments in his career where he showed genuine emotion. There was definitely an argument about luck and all the same BS with most people siding on Brons skill. The fact is that no one has THE SKILL to make game winning shots. Its not like dribbling or passing. But some people make them more than others. Like Kobe. Treating this shot as a snapshot in time and not as a part of Kobe’s legacy is bullsh*t. That’s why its a big deal. It’s not like DJ Mbenga made that shot. Even the most ardent Laker fans would call that luck.

  • Bryan Posted: Dec.7 at 12:04 pm
    Ok everyone knows the Lakers are my second favorite team but even I don’t think they look quite like the juggernaut everyone is making them out to be. Kobe has been great pau has been great , hell even bynum and artest have been very good but lamar looks like sh*t most nights , fisher is clutch but otherwise ineffective the other 46 minutes of a game and the rest of the bench has been woeful at best. Having said that they’re still beating everybody which tells me once they get their groove back they’re gonna really start blowing people away.

  • Allenp Posted: Dec.7 at 12:06 pm
    CoCo having a breakdown?
    Myles
    I see your point, but for some reason I can’t get too worked about it. It was kind of like Bron forgot the Bulls even existed they were playing so crappy. He wasn’t even concentrating, just chilling wait for the game to end or something. He wouldn’t do that to the Lakers or Celtics because he would be dialed in during the game, and he would know that they would have to face them later.
    I remember Jordan yucking it up on the bench playing around when the Bulls were SMASHING the Jazz in the Finals that one year. Laughing and mocking somebody. It’s all part of the game. Bron’s dancing was a little overboard, but I don’t see it as bullying.
    More like blatant disrespect than bullying. Like “Y’all lil n#ggas don’t even matter…”

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.7 at 12:10 pm
    @Allen it’s literally not me posting that mess.

  • Hoodsnake Posted: Dec.7 at 12:11 pm
    ‘Make sure you tune in to catch Allen’s return tonight’ No thanks.

  • TADOne Posted: Dec.7 at 12:15 pm
    Lucky shot or not, the Lakers have won 9 in a row. If there is a Hades I believe this is it.

  • TADOne Posted: Dec.7 at 12:17 pm
    I’m wondering how much truth thier is to a Tayshaun Prince for Chris Kaman swap? The rumors say once Tay returns from injury(which could be any game now) it may happen.

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 12:21 pm
    Its more the fact that he apparently did it AGAIN in Milwaukee over the weekend. Which is a clear sign that he will do what he wants out of sheer defiance. And Ill respect that as long as he does it to EVERY team. Otherwise you look like youre scurrred. And he is. Via Kelly Dwyer @ Ball Dont Lie “Meanwhile, Delonte West(notes) was doing terrific things in delayed transition with the ball, finding open seams and taking advantage of crossmatches. The Cavaliers reserve guard may have embarrassed himself with his actions over the weekend, and while he didn’t exactly make up for it on Sunday, he did help the Cavs pull out a win. 21 points on nine shots in about 24 minutes. Also, LeBron James(notes) was dancing the entire game. Just making an ass of himself. We’re out of excuses for this guy. If he’s so desperate for attention on a random Sunday afternoon game in Milwaukee, then what hope is there for him to just be a stud on the court and secure with himself one the whistle blows? I’ll try to keep this relatively recent. Damon Jones(notes) danced. Antoine Walker(notes) danced, and Mark Jackson danced. Nick Van Exel danced. These are the players you’re acting like, LeBron. Magic Johnson didn’t dance. Michael Jordan didn’t dance. Kobe Bryant didn’t dance, Larry Bird didn’t dance, and Dr. J didn’t dance. These are the players whose games yours most resembles, LeBron. And it’s your damn fault that we’re walking away from a dominant win like this with me thinking of you more of a Damon Jones sort, than a Magic Johnson sort. Despite those 10 assists. Listen, the game is supposed to be fun. It’s OK to exult. You should be jumping through your skin when your teammates pull off something great. It is fun as hell to knock in a circus shot in Milwaukee, even if you’ve played in the Finals, in the Olympics, and have hit game-winners on national TV in the deep playoffs. The game is a joy. Believe me, I understand. But you have to find a balance. Otherwise, you’re in danger of turning off a couple of different generations of fans, all at once.”

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Dec.7 at 12:23 pm
    The Lakers/Heat game was a good one. The second best part after Kobe’s shot was watching Jermaine O’Neal rip one right over Lamar Odom… then continue to hang on the rim and swing his knees into him; that was hilarious. Then the double technical gets Lamar ejected. Smart man, that Jermaine O’Neal.

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 12:26 pm
    And as far as motivating good teams, they see this sh*t and theyre thinking “I wish he could try that on me”. If he indeed doesnt, then they have to be thinking “Thats what I thought.” Either way, hes just giving them more confidence/motivation. And again, all that dancing and picture taking is gonna stop when they run into a real team they cant beat 4 out of 7. Til then he can do an entire reinactment of Breakin 2 Electric Boogaloo on the sidelines and I wont really care. Let him enjoy it while he can, but it is somewhat a reflection of character.

  • Jackie Moon Posted: Dec.7 at 12:28 pm
    DWade missed a free throw that would have put them up by three. Rather than focus on Kobe’s three (and Fisher’s which was clutch), I would like to focus on that missed free throw.

  • TADOne Posted: Dec.7 at 12:32 pm
    I didn’t see any of the Bron dances so i’m not exactly sure what to say other than no team deserves to be shown up or disrespected regardless of their record or not.

  • Bruno Posted: Dec.7 at 12:32 pm
    Jackie Moon is right

  • MeloMan2.0 Posted: Dec.7 at 12:32 pm
    ok honestly Holly, i love your enthusiasm about the game, but the shot was not all that. it was a great shot, like all game winners but it’s getting wayyyy too much hype. i do believe that players who practice the most get lucky the most, but that shot was definetly over 50 percent luck… like common, it was a floater from the 3 point line that went of the freakin backboard… all the kobeholics are gassing it too much… where was this when dwade hit that buzzer beater in miami earlier this year? ppl are boosting it

  • Darksaber Posted: Dec.7 at 12:37 pm
    Good to see MDot is still going strong on the LBJ hate.

  • Brad Long Posted: Dec.7 at 12:37 pm
    Don’t look now, but Jordan Farmar looks like a legit nba player again. But I’m sure that will change by the end of the week.

  • Allenp Posted: Dec.7 at 12:43 pm
    Myles
    Respectfully, I say “eff that.”
    If dude saw Lebron dance and it “turned him off” then so be it. He compared Bron to Mark Jackson, Antoine Walker and Nick Van Exel. None of those players were superstars, but they weren’t bums. I could give a flying frick if most folks thought they were lame or showboats, or whatever.
    I just gave an example of Jordan showing up the other team on the bench. Bron was dancing. I wouldn’t do it, but I don’t have a big problem with dude doing it. It just doesn’t move me.
    Like I said, I get your point. If you only taunt people you know you can beat, that makes you a bully. I get it.
    This situation is different. If Bron talked trash and got in the face of inferior players, but kept his mouth shut when he was dealing with the real players in the League, I would be giving him the side eye. But, the dancing thing is more about disrespect than bullying. He’s like “Y’all ain’t even competing, so eff y’all.”
    I think that these teams need to make sure Bron understands there will be consequences for his actions. They can handle it like men on the floor. I don’t feel a need to chastise him, and his actions really don’t make me think any different about him. He’s the same cat he’s always been. Just like most cats in the League…
    I’m just tired of people always holding up these old players in the league like paragons of virtue. Man, that gets old.

  • Anton Posted: Dec.7 at 12:43 pm
    “If I was Kobe’s friend and he looked over at me in a huddle and told me we were going to get Laked up in a hotel room, independent of the situation, probability or even possibility of that happening, I wouldn’t trust him.” – Fixed.

  • Allenp Posted: Dec.7 at 12:44 pm
    Myles
    What does Lebron’s dancing tell you about his character? His character as a human being, or his character as a player?
    Why is that even important?
    Dude balls hard.

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 12:44 pm
    Yes, hate. Forgot about that. Almost thought I was saying the same thing that you did re:’chill on the showboating’. But that wouldnt be true, since Im a hater and all. So I guess Ric Bucher, Kelly Dwyer, Joakim Noah and a host of others are haters too. Good company Im keeping there. Cept Noah, maybe. Hed have to change his shoes first.

  • Darksaber Posted: Dec.7 at 12:53 pm
    Hey, you go off all you want, Myles. I don’t question your rants anymore, since you know all etc. I guess 3 or 4 comments centering around the same argument and with comparisons to schoolyard bullying and a reasonable amount of cussing constitutes “LBJ love”.

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 12:54 pm
    Just character in terms of who he respects or who hes scared of. If someone makes a big deal of you dancing and you respond by dancing the very next night against another bottom feeder, the question is whether you will continue to do so against the top tier. If not, then be prepared to be called scared or asked ‘What happened to all that dancin?’ Like I said, if he does, Ill honor it. If not, well you know. And I dont think those old players were paragons of virtue as much as statesmen, true competitors and guys who wouldnt continually show up sub .500 teams. its just disrespectful and completely unnecessary. Hell, even Shaq doesnt do that.

  • James the Balla Posted: Dec.7 at 12:55 pm
    First i would like to reply to Brad. Farmar looks like his old self, but for how long is right. Kobe’s shot was amazing, and it gave me goosebumps watching it live. but again, very lucky… but it takes skill to be as lucky as Kobe has been with these types of shots. Meloman, you are in idiot, go ride Melo. And the bron dancing… is retarted. Co-sign tadone and MYLES. It is getting annoying.

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 12:57 pm
    It doesnt consititute love, and I cuss all the time. Whatever happened to valid questions, constructive crticism and worthwhile exchanges of opinions? I guess thats just too many syllables and its easier to condense it into ‘hate’. A point was raised, I spoke on it and a rational person responded (AllenP). A conversation has ensued. If such basic constructs of respectful conversation constitute ‘knowing all ‘ and highmindedness, then yes, I do. And apparently so does AllenP.

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 12:58 pm
    But its good to see youre still on my d*ck. Hope you had some breakfast first though.

  • Jackie Moon Posted: Dec.7 at 1:01 pm
    @Anton I’ll take the troll bait – You and your sense of “humor” have an amazing ability to not let things go. Your persistence in bringing up events more than 5 years old is admirable. Thanks for continually reminding us, lest we forget what a horrible person Kobe is. Especially because he has shown himself to be such a miscreant by repeating his mistakes, spitting on old ladies and punching babies and small children along the way. We should never forget what he allegedly did in Colorado, because we all know first-hand what he did. Don’t forget to call him a snitch while you’re at it… Well, at least you refrained from using the phrase “white women” in your last comment.

  • James the Balla Posted: Dec.7 at 1:02 pm
    Myles is speaking the truth right now. If the cavs get up by 20 on the Celtics or lakers… I would love to see him dance!!! Just like the dancing that happened against orlando in the playoffs……. Lebron should show some REAl emotion, like after that game winner last year. He was true, he looked real, he was happy. This dancing sh1t is hilarious. And when the playoffs come, I would like to see how long he dances for.

  • Darksaber Posted: Dec.7 at 1:04 pm
    In case you haven’t noticed, majority here agree with you that it was disrespectful and unnecessary for Bron to do that (including me). But it’s cool, keep on doing what you do. Sure there are some more reports you haven’t quoted yet.

  • Allenp Posted: Dec.7 at 1:04 pm
    Myles
    I get you.
    I just don’t know about those old cats. Maybe the really old cats, like the Big O and them, but not the Birds and Magic and Isiahs of the world.
    You think they respected every team. You think they didn’t try stuff against the wack squads. Have little games within the game to keep themselves motivated? I don’t know man. I just think that certain things weren’t focused on. Allowances were made back in the day, and what was created were these myths about the perfect ball players who never tried to show folks up. It’s all relative. Back in the Oscar Robertson’s day, it was considered showboating for a guard to dunk in the game on a fast break.
    Bron dancing just shows me that he doesn’t respec teams who don’t make him respect them. If you can’t compete, with him, he won’t even deal with you like a man.
    Part of me sees why that’s a problem. Another of me finds it hilarious. If these cats don’t want to play hard, then eff them. Beat them down, show them up and move on. Reminds me of how the University of Miami used to do cats back in the day. Or how that 1985 Chicago Bears team used to do. Or how Deion Sanders used to handle himself.
    Some cats feel like “If you want me to respect you, make me respect you. It ain’t given.”
    Since I’ve felt like that at times, I can understand it.

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 1:05 pm
    “Dancing? We’re talking about…dancing?”

  • Darksaber Posted: Dec.7 at 1:07 pm
    Wow, a penis joke. Amusing, MDot.

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 1:09 pm
    I feel you. Bird went for the scoring record against the Hawks. Money kept himself sharp against the weaker teams. Others did also. But the difference seems to be that they did it on the court. Id rather he just said, “Yall aint even worth a 4th quarter from me, so Im gonna drop a 3×2 in 3 quarters on you and then go take a nap.” I get the machismo of it all, showing how easy things are to you, or how seriously you do or dont take them. Im just saying that people remember that sh*t when you hit a rough patch, which is why its better left alone. Not to beat a dead horse, but it does kind of fall in line with the whole hand shaking team as far as matters of respect and sportsmanship go.

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 1:09 pm
    “If these cats don’t want to play hard, then eff them. Beat them down, show them up and move on. Reminds me of how the University of Miami used to do cats back in the day. Or how that 1985 Chicago Bears team used to do. Or how Deion Sanders used to handle himself.
    Some cats feel like “If you want me to respect you, make me respect you. It ain’t given.”
    Since I’ve felt like that at times, I can understand it.” That’s pretty much the best thing that has been written in the comments today.

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 1:10 pm
    I just might start dancing during some of these comments from now on. Cause I certainly dont take them seriously.

  • Anton Posted: Dec.7 at 1:14 pm
    Cavs dance when they’re winning, either against b!tch-ass teams or actual competition. Who cares? Apparently you can’t be a winner without being an asshole.
    @ James the Ball: “If the cavs get up by 20 on the Celtics or lakers…I would love to see him dance!!”: (Bron/Cavs dancing vs. Celtics) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLXlq4QIEwc
    Thanks for coming out.

  • Jackie Moon Posted: Dec.7 at 1:25 pm
    Just remember, it’s really easy to make yourself see things the way you want to. Eboy says that “I remember when Lebron hit his game-winner “prayer” against the Magic in the playoffs last season and the majority of the people that commented on it said it was complete luck. ” This was definitely not my experience, but I think that if you look for those people who said it was luck, you can and will find them. But the majority? No, most of us were praising the clutchness of the shot. Same for Kobe lovers, you can always find haters (a lot here), but the tide has turned, most are offering a begrudging respect, and even his most vitriolic detractors are seeing how great a player he is. So you’re really setting yourself up to win the “no respect” argument when you can always find SOMEONE who doesn’t respect your side. This is the “Straw Man Argument” people reference. The Straw Man is “people would say DWade’s shot was lucky if he hit it”. Which is true, SOME people would, so it’s easy to win. But most of us would talk about how great it was.

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 1:28 pm
    Jackie is playing “Pick and Choose Which Comments I Reference to Solidify My Argument”. It’s actually an excellent strategy, to be real.

  • Brad Long Posted: Dec.7 at 1:30 pm
    Where’s Jukai?

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 1:43 pm
    Thats all I wanted to know. I cant open youtube links at work, but if they were dancing and it was this season or last, then like I said, Ill honor it.

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.7 at 1:46 pm
    Regarding the Lakers, they are obviously a good road team or else they wouldn’t win like 60 games or whatever, but I think it must be pointed out that they’ve only left the Staples Center 4 times this season. Their schedule is going to toughen up and we’ll see what they’re made of. 9 in row is impressive though.

  • Anton Posted: Dec.7 at 1:48 pm
    Speaking of white girls, that Amanda Knox b!tch is fiiine. Plus, she’s accused of murder so you know she’s a beast in the sack. Play wit it.

  • Jackie Moon Posted: Dec.7 at 1:53 pm
    @Eboy, It’s just an endless cycle – you could tell me how overhyped Kobe is all day, and it’s true SOME people overstate his greatness, but I could go and tell you how SOME people understate what he does for his team. It’s easy to exchange any name into that argument – DWade, LeBron, Carmelo … It just seems that your MO is to say people are overreacting or underreacting, which will always be happening … And the way you think “Lakers fans” are some homogeneous group is entertaining, as if we all share the same personality and traits … I’m a fan of basketball first, Lakers second, I’m not about tribes …

  • Bryan Posted: Dec.7 at 1:53 pm
    I think he was an assh*le for dancing but the real assh*les are the bulls for letting him do it. Its like TO told Ray Lewis ,” if you don’t like my TD dance keep me out of the endzone” and as a fan of the U and a trash talker supreme myself I’m not mad at the guy. But I do agree with myles that he wouldn’t be dancing on the Lakers or celtics, one because they wouldn’t let him but moreso because he wouldn’t even try. That’s just one mans opinion though.

  • Jackie Moon Posted: Dec.7 at 1:55 pm
    @Anton – Maybe we could move on to Tiger Woods now and leave the Kobe stuff alone? Here’s one free of charge: What’s the difference between an SUV and a golf ball? Tiger Woods can drive a golf ball three hundred yards.

  • Myles Brown Posted: Dec.7 at 1:59 pm
    I LOL’d.

  • Anton Posted: Dec.7 at 2:17 pm
    Cavs got a new plan for Kobe this year – no J’s, just force him to the hole. Easiest way? Tell him he’s not allowed in the hole.

  • MeloMan2.0 Posted: Dec.7 at 2:27 pm
    @ James: how am i an idiot? because i believe that a floating three pointer off the backboard ISN’T a fluke!?!? please, im not saying it wasn’t a good shot, but kobe fans are making it seem like this is the most amazing shot ever. I’ve heard ppl compare this to Jordan’s Ehlo shot among others and thats ridiculous. Kobe fans need to hope off, especially James, who never seems to make sense because he hasn’t atually picked up a basketball in his life

  • MeloMan2.0 Posted: Dec.7 at 2:33 pm
    and the shot happened on friday, i know that if any other player in the league hit a shot like that on a friday, the monday “post-up” wouldn’t be dedicated to them… just saying

  • James the balla Posted: Dec.7 at 2:47 pm
    I haven’t picked up a basketball lol.
    Anyways… you are an idiot because you thought Denver was going to beat the Lakers last year. And still talked smack about Kobe when he put your team out … that is all.

  • MeloMan2.0 Posted: Dec.7 at 3:06 pm
    so i’m guessing u actualy havent played ball, cool
    but actually, last year i did not expect the Nuggets to win, i expected the Lakers to win that series and the Championship which they did. i was, however, rooting for the Nuggets to win because they happen to be my favorite team. Please tell me if that was wrong of me. I’m sure in your perfect world, everyone is down on there knees with u, collectively choking on Kobes sack

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.7 at 3:34 pm
    Melo, let me help you for a second. James does play ball………but he’s like Greg Oden. He get’s career-ending injuries everytime he DOES play the game.

  • Mvp23100 Posted: Dec.7 at 3:39 pm
    Good but lucky shot as far as bron dancing hes excited for his team doing well big deal 10plus assist in the last 4 games for lbj better passer rebounder shotblocker higher fg percentage higher 3 pt percentage and holly says kobe is the best shes seen hes not even the best laker 23mvp

  • Kadavour Posted: Dec.7 at 4:26 pm
    Eboy: Not done reading the comments, but outside of high screens, Kobe had Wade on SMASH. Straight sonned him. I can’t remember him (Wade) hitting a single jumper, i’m going to check the shot chart now. Yea, not a single jumper hit, he ate off high screens that took Kobe out of the play. Period.

  • BETCATS Posted: Dec.7 at 4:34 pm
    between yelling his mom during a game, dancing during a game, yelling at refs for 2-3 minutes and not getting a tech during a game, and not shaking hands after a game i could make a pretty good argument Lebron doesnt know what it means to show good sportsmanship. But he’s Lebron James, so he gets a free pass…

  • BETCATS Posted: Dec.7 at 4:36 pm
    ..from me at least.

  • BETCATS Posted: Dec.7 at 4:46 pm
    honestly though, i think Lebron just watched High School Musical one too many times and decided to take a page out of Zach Effron’s “basketball dances” playbook. Thinking Lebron is dancing as an act of celebrating how much better he is than medicore teams is just crazy! Lebron, a guy who never pretended to be the alpha-dog of the NBA would never do that. Its not like Lebron has issued mandates to the entire league telling them not to wear #23. Its not like every team isnt trying aquire expiring contracts in exchange for proven veterans in order to get in line for some chance at sigining him this summer. No, that is not the Lebron James i love. (Point- Lebron can make any team better, every team wants him, so he can do whatever he wants no matter how we feel about it. I dislike him, but just deal with it)

  • Brad Long Posted: Dec.7 at 4:54 pm
    BET for comment of the day!

  • BETCATS Posted: Dec.7 at 4:57 pm
    For all of you looking for a healthy alternative to Lebron and Kobe: Kevin and Brandon are still available.

  • Niya-girl-fresh Posted: Dec.7 at 5:01 pm
    Some of you guys are hypocrites when it comes to Kobe. Can’t stand the man, can’t stand when his fans comment on him, can’t stand when others comment on him, make insults like “Kobeholics” “Being on his nuts” when people shoot him compliments as they do any other good/great athlete YET at the same time displaying all of same characteristics you guys are preaching against when it comes to Kobe, when your favorite player/team is discussed. This can’t be life lol! Da fawk did Kobe do to yall? Piss in you alls cornflakes for 14 seasons? ROTFL

  • BETCATS Posted: Dec.7 at 5:30 pm
    ^ no, he is just the guy that is 50% of the reason one of the greatest duos in NBA history came to an end. That and he r@ped some chick/just overall seems like an a$$hole. However, these feelings all come from the media magnifiying them, I am sure if the media spent 1 day giving me the same style of attention they gave Kobe for 14 years, everybody would hate me too.

  • Z Posted: Dec.7 at 5:31 pm
    Kobe is an incredible basketball player. Top 10 all-time. But to say that that game-winning shot ”proved” something? C’mon man. D-Wade hit one last week. Dirk a couple of weeks ago. Overblown. / Saying that Bron’s dancing gets on your nerves is completely legitimate. Saying that it means that he’s scared of LA and Boston? You know what would happen if he would dance vs LA or Boston? Nothing. This is a league of barkers. The reason why he prolly wont dance agaisnt those teams is that you rarely are up by 20 in the 3rd against them. What were the Celts doing in the 4th quarter of game 6 of the finals? Straight CLOWNING the Lakers. What did the Lakers do? They took it. Myles always has a tendency to make things bigger than they really are, esp. with LeBron. He’s been dancing on cats for 2 years now and he does so EVERY TIME they’re up big. You don’t dance in a tight game because there’s nothing to celebrate. Duh.

  • tealish Posted: Dec.7 at 5:34 pm
    Nice game-winner, but I feel it’s being overhyped. Truthfully, Kobe’s shot to end the first half was more amazing, skillwise.

  • Jackie Moon Posted: Dec.7 at 5:38 pm
    That was the best shot of all time. That shot cured me. I could not walk before I saw that shot, but after I did, I could stand on two legs and move across the room very slowly without a walker.

  • Z Posted: Dec.7 at 5:39 pm
    I mean, let’s be real: has Bron ever look ”scared” when playing against the top teams? He’s been having his best games so far in the playoffs against top competition. That’s kind of a reach. / And to be clear about Kob, I recognize that he is one of the best ever. That particular bank shot didn’t sway the argument in any direction.

  • BETCATS Posted: Dec.7 at 5:45 pm
    ^Jordan over Ehlo is the greatest shot of all time. Dont get it twisted.

  • nbk Posted: Dec.7 at 5:46 pm
    cosign Z – that shot doesn’t change a thing. derek fisher hit a bank shot buzzer beater with .3 left in a playoff game, can you people please shut up about kobes gw. It was nice, and clutch and insignificant in the long run.

  • tealish Posted: Dec.7 at 5:47 pm
    Agreed, Z. Ball players know that you don’t try a bank shot from straight-away. If you weren’t meaning to bank it and did, that means you were off by about a foot.
    Kob’s off-balanced change of direction on a dime, sharp angled fadeaway banker after drawing contact? Now that was skill, worthy of praise. A shot I don’t know if any other player could do.

  • Bryan Posted: Dec.7 at 5:50 pm
    Well lebronZ gf just crashed the party so we better shut up.

  • BETCATS Posted: Dec.7 at 5:53 pm
    lol shia. He is beating us. I can see him dancing through my monitor.

  • Z Posted: Dec.7 at 5:55 pm
    lebron’s gf? not bad, not bad at all.

  • Allenp Posted: Dec.7 at 5:59 pm
    Part of me knows Anton’s r@pe jokes are beyond the pale.
    Yet, I still laugh.
    Am I evil?

  • MeloMan2.0 Posted: Dec.7 at 6:07 pm
    LOL thats what i figured eboy

  • Jukai Posted: Dec.7 at 6:17 pm
    Alright guys, you know I slurp Lebron’s nuts whenever I can but… very soon I’m going to start riding Kobe like a camel if Lebron keeps up with this Lord of the Dance sh*t. I loved it last year because he did it to hype his players up. He’s doing it every f*cking possession this year. Someone needs to punch him in the face.
    And that shot Kobe hit was the best shot of his career. Luck or not, the reason it went in was because it was squared up perfectly, so even though he overthrew it, it banked it because it was square on target. C’mon dudes!

  • Jukai Posted: Dec.7 at 6:20 pm
    And how is Jordan’s shot over Ehlo the greatest shot of all time? It was the most iconic, that’s for sure, with Jordan fist-pumping like the cast of Jersey Shore and Ehlo falling over like he’d been hit in the heart with a sniper bullet… but I mean, he faded to the left over one guy. There have been better shots.

  • Brad Long Posted: Dec.7 at 6:27 pm
    I personally prefer Magic’s hook against the Celts as the greatest shot of all time, but then again I’m a little biased.

  • Z Posted: Dec.7 at 6:35 pm
    Did somebody mention Jarrett Jack tying his shoe while holding the ball at midcourt vs CHI? HILARIOUS! None of the Bulls went for the ball and just stood there.

  • Bryan Posted: Dec.7 at 6:57 pm
    Jukai ftw with the jersey shore reference. I just laughed hysterically.

  • Jdubc Posted: Dec.7 at 7:26 pm
    @NBK…what are you talking about?! Fishers game winner in the playoffs was with .4 secs left and it WAS NOT a bank shot. Yea Kobe’s shot was pure luck and it is being overhyped but who cares. As bball fans we love this kind of stuff but of course since its kobe/lakers yall hate.

  • LA Huey Posted: Dec.7 at 7:48 pm
    @Anton, I can’t front. You dropped some gems in here today.

  • Darksaber Posted: Dec.7 at 8:31 pm
    Anton took on BETcat’s “most hilarious commenter” role on this site and added a pinch of nastiness to it. His utter disregard of anything p.c. makes his comments really amusing. Chintao would be proud.

  • nbk Posted: Dec.7 at 8:45 pm
    lol i didnt hate on anything. i’m just saying its not a significant shot, its during the regular season and has no implications. comparing it to “the shot” is stoopid. —- my bad about the derek fisher shot, all i was trying to prove was that, that shot mattered and this one doesn’t.

  • Z Posted: Dec.7 at 8:57 pm
    btw, betcats is not as funny now that he’s putting together coherent thought

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Dec.7 at 9:29 pm
    MOST gamewinners have a tint of luck to them–that’s what makes them great. So will people stop acting like Kobe’s gamewinner wasn’t that good because it was lucky? It was still a FANTASTIC SHOT. Jerry West hit a freaking full court shot and its regarded as an iconic moment in NBA history. But according to some of you guys “ANYBODY IN THE NBA COULD HAVE MADE THAT FULL COURT SHOT! IT WAS PURE LUCK AND IT HAS NO MEANING WHATSOEVER!” Get out of here with that.

  • BETCATS Posted: Dec.7 at 9:37 pm
    Anton is my dude and all. He can have whatever title you guys give him. I say stuff for my own personal ammusement, not yours.

  • Hursty Posted: Dec.7 at 9:46 pm
    Z, that’s what happens when you get told off by site writers for being.. himself.

  • Z Posted: Dec.7 at 10:04 pm
    haha derozan dancing on bulls too. they aint getting no respect.

  • Z Posted: Dec.7 at 10:04 pm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ3y5hTHuP4

  • The Seed Posted: Dec.7 at 10:05 pm
    It was a great shot, give him his props. Thanks Holly for being honest about the Kobe-best player thing and for the cornballs on this board, KOBE IS THE REAL KING, SIMPLY THE BEST, BETTER THAN ALL THE REST!!

  • The Seed Posted: Dec.7 at 10:27 pm
    Great shot, great defense, but like my man Mark Jackson says, I would rather have better offense than defense. Also if you watched the game, Wade needed picks to get by Kobe, when Kobe would just look him in his eyes and do what ever. Funny, but then people would say Kobe is not a top defender, but when one of the quickest guards in the league need picks to get by Kobe to score. That tells you all. KOBE IS MVP!!!! not tebow-nash or high school musical dance teacher-lebron-HE is becoming a joke, Dancing on the sidelines, IF you got to watch PTI today. Tony and MIke blasted the so called King for his dance routines.

  • nbk Posted: Dec.7 at 11:02 pm
    that jerry west shot is hugely iconic for a reason, it was significant…In Game 3 of the 1970 NBA Finals, Jerry West sank a desperation final-second 60-footer to tie the game at 102 to force overtime. *(the lakers still lost)
    Can you see the significance of a 60 footer to force overtime in the FINALS compared to a game winner in the first quarter of the regular season?

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Dec.7 at 11:35 pm
    nbk, that’s not what I meant. The point is, BOTH shots are lucky. Yes, Jerry West’s hugely iconic because it was insanely clutch (and in the finals, too), but that’s my POINT. It was still a great shot regardless.
    Put that same shot in the regular season, and it would still be heavily praised–although not as much as it actually is.
    But with Kobe, he makes a difficult shot from 3 point land, with less “luck factor” than a full-court shot, and people are all “THAT MEANS NOTHING ANYONE COULD HAVE DONE THAT IT WAS PURE LUCK AJSDFLKAJSKF JKALS F*CK KOBE.”
    You get my point?

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Dec.7 at 11:36 pm
    Obviously, the circumstances of the two shots are incomparable.

  • J Posted: Dec.7 at 11:53 pm
    kobe’s def one of the best, but lucky shot. wade cost the game because of missed freethrow. i could care less about Bron’s dancing as long as were winning. and if someone has to punch him in the face to wake him up i don’t care. so what’s wrong being like the mark jackson’s or antoine walker’s of the league.? why do you have to be the Larry’s Magic’s M.J.’s ALL THE TIME? does that mean you won’t be loved if you act like Damon Jones? don’t make lebron to be your puppet just to say you like him, let him have his way and let him learn from his mistakes. AND THEN TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. he’s been always a player who’s very a mature for his age but that doesn’t mean he don’t have flaws. name me one who doesn’t. if the dance pissed you make it a motivation to beat him and rub it to his face, but don’t pout on the sidelines. if bron says that he respects the game and all the greats of it LET HIM learn to respect the noah’s too. but if that means that the noah’s have to beat him to ground in order to gain that respect from bron then so be it. Allenp has great points, so as Myles, Z and so on, but PLEASE, don’t let your points be your ground to prove to you that Lebron is a saint or a dumba*s

  • J Posted: Dec.8 at 12:07 am
    also, i don’t think that was the best kobe game winner ever.

  • nbk Posted: Dec.8 at 12:34 am
    IMO – People who are going to tag a shot from 3pt line, bank or not as lucky aren’t worth responding too. Its ignorant to assume a professional basketball player, let alone one of the most talented in the world, would throw a shot up at the end of a game and depend entirely on LUCK. to those of you that say it was all luck i say go to sleep. and to all of you that think this will somehow be a significant event in Kobe’s career I say go to sleep. now i’m tired im gonna take a nap

  • Jukai Posted: Dec.8 at 12:59 am
    nbk: it may have been the greatest shot of his career… But yeah, not significant at all.

  • nbk Posted: Dec.8 at 1:11 am
    i think he has made a better shot then that buzzer beater. if you only count buzzer beaters i would count his shot on phoenix in the 1st round in 2007 as his “greatest” shot ever.

  • Jukai Posted: Dec.8 at 1:18 am
    It wasn’t anyone near as great though. The Phoenix shot was closer to the basket, he had a better angle, and he had one less defender on him.
    Was it more significant? Yep.
    Was it a greater shot? Not really.
    I mean, Bird has a plethora of clutch highlights that people replay over and over again, and the majority of them are not in the playoffs (although many of them are). This will be a highlight that will be repeated on every documentary detailing how clutch Kobe is. Significant or not, it is truly a great indicator of how clutch Kobe Bryant is– lucky or not.

  • nbk Posted: Dec.8 at 4:02 am
    i guess thats true, i concede, the shot is significant. there is still a heavy amount of over-reacting going on…including me

  • J Posted: Dec.8 at 7:22 am
    i could be wrong on saying that it was a lucky shot. let me re-phrase myself. it’s not 100% luck maybe 25% of it is..

  • J Posted: Dec.8 at 7:25 am
    but i can definitely say that this is NOT his best game-winner.

  • BM JR Posted: Dec.8 at 8:07 am
    What the hell are people talking bout kobe locking down wade C’MON MAN. the lakers played zone defense behind wade all game long stop acting like kobe was out there on an island like neon deion against wade. Kobe is no where near the top perimeter defender that everyone cliams he is. Didn,t the hibachi toast him for a cold blooded 60 not to long ago. With lebron dancing hes always been that kind of guy, whats wrong with having fun when ur up big. the magic man used to joke and laugh all the time but people claimed thats love for the game but when lebron does it his arrogrant and a jerk C’MON MAN . Anyone who belives SN top 100 players over SLAM 100 really needs their head checked. U cant actually believe so called experts who picked shaq as the 16th best player in the L over gasol, bosh and joe johnson just to name a few. I think i rather trust slam who actually cover ball on an consistent basis.

  • Dee Posted: Dec.8 at 1:14 pm
    Kobe’s for sure the best offensive player ever(RIP Wilt, MJ). No doubt.
    But we’re talking offense here guys. Not GOAT! He’s still working his way up on that list too, but, to me, that consists of a whole lot more than being the best scorer ever seen.
    Just a thought …

  • objective fan Posted: Dec.9 at 2:13 pm
    At this time kobe has the perfect combination of experience, basketball iq, fundamentals,power, finesse,athletic ability and passion for the game. Its interesting to call such a shot luck considering kobes resume. He practices difficult shots so logically he makes some of them when it counts. At the end of the day its about winning and hes done that repeatedly. When Lebrons basketball skills increase and are at par with his athletic ability maybe he will be better… but players are judged not only by their individual greatness but championships. we will see how things play out…

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