Thursday, December 3rd, 2009 at 9:00 am  |  114 responses

Raptors Call Out Their Coach

by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

The Toronto Raptors were humiliated on the road last night, receiving a 31-point drubbing from the Atlanta Hawks. It was the kind of loss that gets coaches fired. Add in the harsh criticism from his own players, and Jay Triano may be seeing the last of his days as an NBA bench boss.

It didn’t help that the guy who he replaced (Sam Mitchell) less than a year ago was sitting in the stands, no doubt taking delight in the fact that things haven’t changed for the better without him in Toronto.

From the Toronto Star:

“Every time something happens it’s always, `It’s okay, it’s all right.’ It’s not all right,” said Jarrett Jack, the reserve guard. “Problems go by without attacking them or challenging them or bringing them to the forefront and getting them solved. We can’t keep keep putting them to the back of the bus and just saying, `That’s okay.’ It’s not all right. Everybody can’t walk on eggshells around here and say, `We’re playing good basketball.’ We’re not.”

Said Antoine Wright: “You’ve got to address (the defensive issues) and you’ve got to show people on tape. It’s not personal. If you want to win, you’re going to have to make some sacrifices.” Wright, who has criticized Triano’s schemes previously, was the only Raptor not to see the floor on Wednesday. He said Triano has failed to “call out” under-performing Raptors because unnamed teammates are “too sensitive” to criticism.

Chris Bosh, obviously the most important voice in the Raptors’ locker room, didn’t go after his coach, but called the performance last night (and all season) a “total embarrassment”.

After spending a boatload of money on free agents this summer, Toronto was supposed to be better than the 7-13 mess we currently see. In the NBA, that usually means that someone is going to have to take the fall for this, and that time is coming soon.

Sorry, Jay.

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  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    They were humiliated on Atlanta’s home floor, but either way their disgust with themselves and their coach should be the same.

  • Marcel Mutoni

    whoops. fixed. thanks, Co Co.

  • JoeMaMa

    Ask one question: What can we do to make Chris Bosh happy? And then do it. That’s it.

  • TC

    It’s all right. There is still plenty of time left this season. It’s OK. We are gonna be fine.

  • ave. joe

    steps to making life in toronto pleasant:

    1) fire the head coach
    2) waive every player
    3) forget the team ever existed
    4) repeat for the leafs and blue jays

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Chris Bosh scored 2 points last night. I’m pretty sure that there is an unwritten rule in the NBA that says if you only score 2 points and your the star of the team you don’t get to say sh!t that night. Chris Bosh needs to stfu.

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan2.0

    i saw the stat sheet too, and it confused me. i thought bosh must have gotten injured or something… can someone tell me why he only had 2?? like was he not trying or what

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan2.0

    the raptors need to get a new coach…or the old one that they wrongfully fired, trade jose, and trade hedo… and as much as im starting to believe in bargnani, its becoming obvious that him ad bosh on the same team will never work. they both need a tough guy at the centre position to actually win

  • http://the-mbenga-mblog.blogspo rish

    This is sad. O so sad. And too sensitive? Andrea’s crying somewhere as we speak.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I agree with B. Long. Chris Bosh has been playing superb basketball so far but he should have prefaced everything he said yesterday by ”I know I played like crap”. Questioning people’s effort is a right earned by leaving it all on the floor at all times.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Is the coaches fault everyone in the world overrated turk?

  • Juanny

    Antoine Wright should not be speaking on this team. he just got here and with the minutes he does get he doesnt do a damn thing. with the 2 guard lineup (Caldy and Jack) there’s so many more options to fill out the floor…

    Lord knows why triano has given him time floor time in most of these games before wenesday.

  • Juanny

    To ave.joe:

    Life is pleasant in toronto. get a passport and and you won’t believe otherwise.

  • Sparker

    something’s up with bosh. guy looks like he needs prozac. where’s the happy cowboy? where’s the youtube prankster and leno sidekick? how bout a wittle smile in a contract year?

  • http://ms_two@hotmail.com MS

    As long as CB is our franchise. The Raptors will go NO WHERE. Sure he is putting up career numbers this year. That’s great. But do you see those numbers being put up in the 4th qtr? NO. When it comes down to crunch time CB aint sayin NOTHING. Its the way its always been. He is not clutch, and never will be.Find some REAL toughness, not someone ACTING like he tough just cuz he grew some dreads. Give me a break. CB would be a great 2nd or 3rd option on a good team, but not good enough to be a leader. So for all those people who want to make CB happy, and put better pieces around him. I say, trade him. Get something in return instead of waiting for him to leave. Dont let history repeat itsself AGAIN.

  • OneStep

    When you’ve got RuPaul as your main “man” you’re always going to have issues with toughness. Bosh is a talented, highly-skilled but fragile player. The Raptors need to accept that he is not a player to build a team around. He’s a great number 2 but they need to find a number 1 quickly. Also, before they go and fire the coach maybe they ought to look at the front office first since it was they who spent the dollars buying the “talent” that has them at 7-13. Still, at least they’re not the Nets!

  • http://www.commuto.com Steve

    The feel good story of a Canadian coaching the Canadian team is over. Time to get a real coach. Pull Van Gundy out of retirement or sign Frank. Either way, move forward with someone who can handle NBA ego. Triano obviously can’t and is afraid to hurt players feelings.

    It’s amazing how a team is willing to spend over $120 million in guaranteed contracts over one summer but won’t pay for a decent coach.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Antoine Wright is absolutely right.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Kick rocks, Jay Triano.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Seriously, something is wrong with a lot of Raptor fans these days. Is it me, or does Toronto just not know basketball? You’re going to blame CHRIS BOSH for the Raptors’ horrendous play?!?! Are you serious?! Last night, okay, you can blame everyone on the team, including Bosh.
    But Bosh (along with Amir Johnson) is the ONLY one rebounding and actually banging around in the paint. He’s the ONLY one showing up night-in and night-out, putting in some serious work on the court.
    If you want to blame someone, blame Andrea Bargnani, Jose Calderon, Hedo Turkoglu, and the rest of the players who can’t play a lick of defense, nor can they hit a consistent jumpshot (even though all they do is shoot jumpshots). Nobody says ANYTHING about Andrea Bargnani and his horrendous interior defense and rebounding–and the guy is SEVEN FEET TALL.
    Get out of here with that “blame Chris Bosh” mentality. Seriously, you’re going to blame the ONLY player who does something?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Come on now, I’m from Toronto and I love the city, but a lot of fans these days (excluding a lot of REAL ones I know) have no idea what’s going on with the team.

  • Manny

    i don’t care what the size of your contract is. if you don’t want to play defence (calderon, turk), if you don’t want to put a body on a man and box out (bargnani), then you sit. hold people accountable. it’s as simple as that. i’d rather have amir johnson and jarret jack getting the minutes over calderon and bargnani because they actually play with a pulse. hell – bring alvin williams out of retirement and put him out there. he’ll at least bust his ass on every play. sheesh…..

  • charles oakley

    Even I would be a better coach.

  • http://ms_two@hotmail.com MS

    no one doubts that CB is the best player we have. Its obvious. What I & onestep are saying is that he cannot be the MAIN guy. If anyone here thinks that CB can lead the raps to a championship, ha, then maybe you gotta question yourself if YOU know what your talking about.
    The WHOLE TEAM has major flaws no doubt. Bosh competes night in, night out. I dont question that, but at the end of the day he aint tough. Regardless of what shaq said. I still feel the same way. Garnett, now THAT’s toughness. Something CB will never be. Trade him.

  • LA Huey

    Dear Mr Bosh, Join forces with LBJ so we can watch you guys fight Wade/SuperCoolBeas and Vince/Dwight for the right to try and supplant Kobe/Pau as the league’s premiere inside/outside combo.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    C’mon now, your 3 frontcourt guys don’t like to play rough and you’re wondering why the team is soft and plays no D? Colangelo built that team to outscore people, that’s it. Toronto needs to score 110 to win a game and that’s never going to get it done on a consistent basis. Why is everyone surprised? There’s not one good individual defender on that team. How is that the coach’s fault?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    MS, you’ve got to be kidding me.
    What do you define tough as? Yelling all the time? Its clear you need to watch Bosh more.
    Tough is not shying away from contact; Bosh LEADS THE LEAGUE in both double-doubles and free throw attempts by a huge margin.
    When Kevin Garnett played by himself on the Wolves, they were horrible until they got Sprewell and Troy Hudson and Sam Cassell, and they still didn’t make a Finals appearance. One man CANNOT lead a team to a title without help.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    You can coach a team to control the tempo more and take better shots and not jump shots all game to avoid the other team getting constant runouts. That is on Triano.

  • Exile

    Co-sign Teddy.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Argghhh. Raptors are pissing me off so much. Can we just tank the season for John Wall and then proceed to trade Jose Calderon? Please, this guy is helping the other team after fouling them and asking are you ok. If that is not soft then I don’t know what is. Jose can’t play Defense at all. ANY and EVERY guard has been able to blow by him.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Z, Chris Bosh definitely doesn’t shy away from playing “rough,” dude.
    What people need to be looking at, instead of blaming Chris Bosh (the only player who does something), is how Andrea Bargnani is the STARTING CENTER and doesn’t rebound or play ANY defense, and camps out at the 3 point line! He’s seven feet tall!
    Also, the two best defenders on the Raptors are Amir Johnson and Jarett Jack, two very, very good defenders at that. However, they see barely any playing time because Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani are too busy jacking up jumpshots.

  • anime

    I was just wondering, is AB really a center? He is 7′ all right he jumps no more than half a foot. Center? And yeah, too afraid to fight it out with the competition. AB, put some manhood in there

  • http://ms_two@hotmail.com MS

    listen man. I watch each and every game, minute by minute since Bosh was drafted. I see what Bosh does. Ya he gets to the line qtrs 1-3, but in the 4th he is no where to be found. TOUGH players shine in the 4th. Most teams will adjust defensively on Bosh, thats when u will see him chucking up shots in the 4th, when HE SHOULD be taking it to the rack. CB leads the league in dbl dbls. Does that translate into wins for the raps? No. Not saying its all his fault. But if you are the Francise guy. Your job is to put the team on your back, and get some WINS. Cb is NOT doing that for the raps. TRADE HIM

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    See, Collangelo has always tried to make a roster that “outscores” every team, but the problem is, the Raptors ARE NOT THAT TYPE OF TEAM. Its partly Jay Triano’s fault because he hasn’t implemented a system that let’s the Raptors go on scoring sprees. He isn’t Mike D’Antoni or Don Nelson or Alvin Gentry.
    The Raptors are NOT a good fast break team, although most of the high-scoring teams in this leage are. And they are NOT a great jumpshooting team either, even though guys like Bargnani, Calderon, and Turkoglu love to jack up three-pointers.
    How do you expect 120 point games when the Raptors can’t fast break, and when they do, they have Chris Bosh and Andrea Bargnani lumbering down the court? How do you expect 120 point games when nobody but Chris Bosh can hit a jumpshot?
    Its time Triano and Collangelo cut that “offense only” junk and start working on some REAL defense.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    MS: Trade Bosh for who? Are you serious?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Al and Josh had their way with Bosh when he wasn’t on the bench in foul trouble last night. That’s pretty much why he was ineffective.

  • http://ms_two@hotmail.com MS

    He is gonna leave anyway the way these wacktors are playing…wouldnt u rather get something in return? Or are you one of those naive fans who thinks he is actually gonna stay.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Um, I never overrated Hedo. Actually I remember having an extended and heated argument with several Slam regulars and Slam employees about how the Magic would have been STUPID to re-sign him, and how their best move would be to get bigger in the frontcourt and sign a banger who could co-exist with Dwight.
    Just patting my own back.

  • floe

    why does everyone from toronto pretend to have an insight on the raptors? seroiusly, the whole world has no idea why the raptors sucks.. conlangelo has no clue why the raptors suck.

    also damn straight about bosh not scoring points when it counts. i know he’s having a monster season statistically but seriously i havent seen him score at clutch at all this season.

    looking forward to mike iavaroni taking the helm although they should have just signed eddie jordan when he was available. but i guess mls had to play out the canadian connection.

  • kite

    No attitude, swag, spirit, heart, whatever you want to call it, they ain’t got it. It starts with the coach and/or your star players. But it sounds like the coach is a bit of a panty same as the team. Gotta say I think Sam would be able to work with this bunch of guys better than the group he had during his tenure and better than what Triano’s doing now. Triano for all I know might be a great coach but he’s not what the Rap’s need at this point. It’s too bad cause these guys can score no doubt (73pts in the 1st half vs. Pacers), but it’s a toothless raptor, no machismo. In my opinion JJ and Wright’s comments probably reflect the general sentiment of all the players, and it tells you two things; first, that they’re probably right and secondly, that it’s not going to be any of them to instill that attitude.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bosh had two points on two shots.
    Why does your superstar only have two shots? That’s a complete failure on the part of everybody, including Bosh.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I would just like to point out the Sam never had an issue with getting these guys to play at least some defense. He wasn’t worrying about massaging egos. Triano appears to me to want to be everyones friend. He needs to go back to being an assistant coach.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And I agree with everybody who said that as a team, the Raptors get pushed around.
    But, that whole fourth quarter thing about Bosh is probably bogus. Rather, it’s overrated. People used to say the same thing about Kevin Garnett in Minnesota, but now that his team is a championship contender, everybody pretends like it’s no big deal. Being the high scorer in the fourth quarter is slightly overrated.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Allenp : glad someone else knows basketball around here. Hedo and calderon are starters on the all-overrated team.

  • Dutch Rob

    I think we’re gonna see mister Bosh in Miami next year along with D-Wade, B-Easy and maybe even another big name.
    What do you guys think?

  • Exile

    The big problem is the Raps are starting a finesse PF in Bargs at the 5 and seem glued to schemes that are not working at the moment. Bosh is a great player and (hopefully) will remain with the Raps, but no-one is making a case for him as to truly please him, they need to move the pieces that will make his loss (if he does leave) less painful.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bosh in Miami would be perfectly nasty.
    Make this happen somebody. And, while you’re at it, bring Amare to Cleveland.
    I want to see stacked teams. EFF parity. I don’t need no stinking parity. I want to see stacked teams battle it out. And then contract all the loser squads so we can make even more stacked teams. That’s what’s good for the fans not this watered down crap.
    Sorry, got a little excited there.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @TAD: Exactly. For all of Sam’s perceived failings, he was never afraid to call his guys out, whether in public or not. It’s pretty telling that the team’s newest additions are the most vocal about this problem. Something’s got to change.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Teddy: Right. And how do you start a fast break when you can’t defend or rebound?

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    And for all you guys out there complaining about Bosh: know that he’s always, always giving his all out there. So what if he’s a “finesse” PF? Dirk was, too. The difference is that Dirk has always had a solid, physical team around him. Chris has been surrounded by a revolving door of soft, slow shooters. And the physical guys, the rebounders and athletic / smart wing defenders who would make this team complete have again and again been shipped out of town (i.e. MoPete, Humphries, Joey Graham, AP, Moon, etc.), being replaced by soft Euro guys.

  • Migs

    @Joel… I agreed with you until you got to the part about AP and Moon. They were horrible on this team last year. Moon at one point was jacking more shots from the perimeter than Kapono was, and he completely ignored the paint. His rebound totals were exaggerated because he’d sky for the “easy” defensive rebounds where he had no competition.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Hence, instead of building a team that covers up for Chris’ literal weakness, we’ve got a team that EMBODIES it. As a result, Chris has been forced to play out of his element – since no one else is going to hustle for rebounds, crash the boards, defend Amare/Shaq/Boozer/Duncan/Dwight… AND try and score lots of 4th quarter points to please stat nerds? Exchange Dirk with Bosh right now, and the results will be exactly the same. You can’t surround a finesse player with even softer players.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Migs: Moon had the ability. Remember that he’s only a few years into the league. Sure, he takes bad shots, he gambles and he make stupid plays sometimes. But unlike guys like Bellinelli or Kapono or whoever, he HAS that ability and he hustles and rebounds and blocks shots. Those guys won’t even try.

  • kash

    This is a team built to score… they are NOT built to play defense, much like BC’s former squad out west (PHX). The problem is the pace at which they play, they are far too slow. IMHO, the only piece that really has to go is Calderon, not due to lack of skill but simply because he does not push the tempo.

    Hedo is doing exactly what he was brought in to do: Score. If he was brought in to play defense, then BC is not the brilliant man we thought he was.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @MS: Can you name a person who, in Bosh’s shoes right now, will do a better job?

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Tim Duncan. Carlos Boozer. Ben Wallace. Al “neckbreaker” Horford. Andrew Bynum. Greg Oden. Luis Scola. Kendrick “is a beast” Perkins. KG. Kenyon Martin. David Lee. Marcus Camby. You know what all these guys have in common? 1.) They are perceived to be tougher than Chris Bosh. 2.) They are all being outrebounded by Chris Bosh, a quarter through the season.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Tim Duncan. Carlos Boozer. Ben Wallace. Al “neckbreaker” Horford. Andrew Bynum. Greg Oden. Luis Scola. Kendrick “is a beast” Perkins. KG. Kenyon Martin. David Lee. Marcus Camby. You know what all these guys have in common? 1.) They are perceived to be tougher than Chris Bosh. 2.) They are all being outrebounded by Chris Bosh, a quarter through the season.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    The only 2 guys who are grabbing more boards than Chris right now are Joakim Noah and Dwight Howard. And neither of these guys has to carry their team offensively.

  • Sparker

    it’s not good when your coach doesn’t know how to use a timeout to stop a run by the other team. it’s not good when your best player’s statements are overwhelmingly about his reputation or stature as opposed to about the team. and it’s not good when your gm does not seem to know thing one about chemistry or the need for it.

  • Sparker

    and (somewhat ironically, given his rep) bosh is much, much better at taking advantage of big bigs like d howard than he is at dealing with guys like al horford or josh smith or al thornton or kg

  • ben2424

    should have picked up allen, traded everyone

  • http://the-mbenga-mblog.blogspot.com rish

    Reggie Evans is our last hope.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    If Reggie Evans is our last hope they better play him 30+ minutes a game. And he better average 15 rebounds a game. While you’re at it, you might as well move move Bosh to Center, Evans at PF, Bargnani at SF, and Hedo at SG. fcuk calerdon lets just go get john wall.

  • black pinoy

    if only VINCE was here

  • Migs

    The fundamental problem with this Raps team (besides the D, which hasn’t been there since the Oakley/AD/Willis days) is that there’s too much duplication of skillsets/weaknesses. Having a twin-towers type setup is fine, but when both of them are more perimeter-oriented than post-up players, then there’s a problem. Add to the fact that our SF likes to control the ball as much as the PG, and there just isn’t anyone to step up to do the dirty work of boxing out, rebounding, and playing tough D. This team needs to get rid of either Bosh or Bargnani in place of a more traditional big man who can board, block, and bang down low – otherwise, we’ll continue to see these type of loses regularly.

  • ball22

    i dont care if you’re in nba, every player needs to sometimes hear harsh criticism so they can improve…you can’t go all soft on them and baby them just because they’re “nba superstars”…they’ve been playing competetive basketball all their life, i think they can handle it. and if they don’t well then clearly they have different motives. ya, its entertainment but they’re still a team and like in any other unprofessional league, winning is kind of nice.

  • a_whiteman

    FREE CB4 this guy deserves a shot to be on a good team

  • dma

    i say toronto and portland do a swap of the terrible FA signings this summer. hedo is a bad fit in toronto and so is andre miller in portland. toronto needs to just clean house and start over.

  • Clark


    I’m pretty sure you just said Amir Johnson is a “very very good defender”. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. He is definitely a hustle guy, and can get rebounds, but is a terrible one on one defender. I am a die-hard pistons fan, so I have seen my fair share of Amir. The only reason the pistons got rid of him is because as athletic and awesome as he is, if a team can get him one-on-one, it’s either 2 points or an Amir Johnson foul. That is his only one-on-one defense, and so I dont think he is anywhere near a “very very good defender”.

  • http://www.sonicbids.com doyouwantmore

    Trade Bosh for value because Bosh is leaving! Please, Colangelo! Andrea is a good replacement for Bosh at the PF.

  • tavoris

    HOW THE HELL DOES ANY TEAM LET SOMEONE SCORE 146 POINTS ON THEM? The coach-or any coach-can’t do anything if the players don’t have any pride.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Hedo IS overrated. HOWEVER, his value was bigger for Orlando than for any other team and they failed to see that. Vince is a better player than Hedo but doesn’t have the same skill set. The side pick n rolls with Vince aren’t as deadly because he’s not as tall and doesn’t create as much for others. It’s all about match ups in the playoffs. Cleveland were scared of putting Bron on Shard because that left Wally Z or D-West on Hedo. Now they’re comfortable with that match up because AP and Moon can handle Vince.

  • SamIam

    This was bound to happen. Triano got an assistant’s gig in Toronto because he’s Canadian. He got elevated to head coach because he knows he’s lucky to have a job and won’t challenge Colangelo the way Sam Mitchell did. I’m Canadian and a Raptors fan and wanted to see Triano succeed, but never had much reason to think he would.

  • Shem

    They start Calderon, Bargnani and Turkoglu all terrible defenders on Orlando who did Turkoglu have behind him? the best shot blocker in the league. We cant throw out a bench of shooters. This team is soft, non rebounding no defense.. all things you need to be playing in june. Bosh definetly isnt soft but Teddy is right, in the 4th he settles for jumpers. I do think we should trade bosh but not because hes a bad player (hes an amazing player) but hes going to leave in 2010. Unless we turn this season around he’s gone. Thats a franchise player gone so might as well trade him for a couple picks. By the way if we can somehow manage to keep Bosh don’t trade him but Calderon has to go and Bargnani is a maybe im gonna give turk some time before i say anything

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If you think AP and Moon will do a good job on Vince it’s going to be interesting to see if he has enough in the tank to prove you wrong.
    I’ve love said that if Rashard Lewis is the fourth best player on your squad, you are LOADED.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    AP and Moon are good defenders. But they can’t stop Vince. Not as Raptors they couldn’t, and I don’t think they can as Cavs either. Still, big upgrade over Wally (slow) or West (small). It really hurts to see 2 Raptors who could ably defend get let go… only to become key assets on a contender like the Cavs.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Regarding your comments that the Raps are not a good fast breaking team, nor a good jump shooting team – EXACTLY. Of all the faux-Suns teams that have come and gone over the years, the Raps do the worst job at it. Management or fans are under the impression that we’re a good uptempo fast breaking team because we lack the rebounders that start breaks, nor do we have the foot speed to finish consistently. Nor are we a good jump shooting team, because with zero inside presence outside of Bosh, the only way our shooters get open is due to convoluted ball movement in the hope of getting defenses out of position.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Joel O’s: Dirk and Bosh are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. You can’t even compare the two. Dirk is called soft because he plays like a Small Forward, even though he’s a 7 footer. And while he’s a great player, he doesn’t bang down low and he doesn’t play much at all like a big man–which works because he’s really good. He definitely is NOT a “finesse” big man, or any “big man” for that matter–aside from his height.
    But with Chris Bosh, he PLAYS in the paint, and he bangs around with the league’s best interior players. He can hit the jumpshot, but he embraces the contact inside. And he rebounds like crazy. Its so annoying when people call him soft because Shaq made some stupid@ss comment about RuPaul.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    So in other words, I agree that people calling Bosh soft are totally wrong.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Joel O’s: I agree. A lot of times the Raptors just camp statically around the 3 point line, waiting for Bargnani to set a screen for them. But instead of rolling TO THE BASKET, Bargnani rolls toward the 3 point line and waits there like everybody else (except Bosh)…

  • Matthew Lopez

    ok,let’s start. i love jose and bargs(not hedo). But, we simply can’t win with a million shooters on this team. Hedo won’t be trade because he is the oldest and isn’t very valuable. Here are some steps that BC should consider:
    Banks and Belinelli for Nocioni
    Kings save money, noci is a good back up sf.
    Banks and Pops for Maxiell
    The type of player the raps need, pistons save money.
    Evans for Maxiell
    Pistons save money,similar players with maxiell younger and would be a fan fav in tdot.
    Jose for A.Miller
    Raps save money, blazers get good pg
    Jose for Farmar and Vujacic or morrison
    Raps save money, LAL even more stacked
    The Big one:
    To NYK: Bargs, Jose, (A.Johnson if D.Lee doesn’t reject)
    To TDOT: Duhon, Dalembert, (Maybe D.Lee as well(but he can reject trades in his contract)
    To Philly: E.Curry, One of the following(POB, Pops,\
    Rasho, J.Hill
    If raps would give rid of bargs, jose and belinelli
    Derozan can play and actually get touches, jack would start, hedo could handle the ball more, maybe noci would help hedo be not so fatigued, raps’ boards and defense would increase with dalembert, maybe maxiell and d.lee coming in, derozan could be 2 or 3rd option on offense.
    To people who say that the knicks would not be involved, they would be getting rid of the slob known as eddy curry, bargs would thrive in dantoni’s offense, (so would jose), also there aren’t a lot of great pgs in next summer’s f.agency. Also, philly gets rid of dalembert, gets curry and a solid/ok big, speights can play more now.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Handling Vince means making him take 25 shots to get his 25-27 pts whilst the rest of the Magic are watching and the ball is not moving. You won’t stop him from scoring points but you can make him inefficent and thrown Orlando out of synch. I’m really comfortable that West/AP/Moon can do that. / Rashard is more their 2nd option than their 4th on offense. Before Dwight and Jameer. He is not their 2nd best player, but is their 2nd option. Dwight is averaging only 18 a game and 11 agaisnt Cle and 9 against Boston. AKA teams with centers that he can’t push around.

  • http://slamonline.com The underrated one

    IMO, i think basketball is a game of confidence. If you’re not confident going into a game, you’re not going to win period. I can’t stand it when players on the raptors say things like: oh, this is gonna be a tough road trip lets see if we can go .500. Or: this is a tough team so we’re gonna have to play perfect today. If you’re already boosting the other team, how can you expect to win? Look at all the really good teams in the league, they go into games thinking they’re going to win. The Raptors can have all of the talent in the world but if they dont have the confidence going into a game, they wont win. Also cosign @ Migs they have two perimeter bigs. they should have an inside-outside combo like Dirk and Dampier in dallas

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    The Magic were dangerous last year against the Cavs because Delonte West had to guard Hedo Turkoglu and Andy Varejao had to guard Rashard Lewis… This year, they don’t have that advantage.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think Orlando will be extremely dangerous with four to five scoring threats in their starting five. I liked Hedo, but I thought he dominated the ball, and didn’t consistently get Dwight good touches. While he was clutch at the end of games, many times he shot your team out of the game early.

  • Float_world

    Chris Bosh isn’t exactly playing stellar defense. Although he scores a ton of points, he doesn’t prevent his man from scoring most nights. He’s similar to Amare except he grabs a ton more boards.

  • http://slamonline.com Jacob J

    This years Raptors are like last years Clippers. They both spent tons of money in the off-season and when the season started with high expectations, they dont live up to the hype. But hopefully the Raptors will do better than the Clippers did last year. (They Will)

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    What drives me nuts is when our commentators – Matt and Leo – get overexcited about the Raps after some crisp ball movement “swinging the ball from side to side” that leads to an open three. Because 1.) it’s just a SINGLE possession of good ball movement, 2.) it is HIGHLY UNSUSTAINABLE since teams adjust quickly and nullify it, 3.) the very next play often involves the Raptors getting easily beaten on D.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Sigh. What I would give for JYD, Antonio Davis, Oak and Alvin Williams to be miraculously back on the squad.

  • Robb

    jay Triano is the Ru Paul of coaches

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Dwight is averaging 18 and 11 in like 29 mpg.

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan2.0

    Raps shud trade jose and bargnani for bayless and aldridge, or oden.

  • jaymack

    let’s be serious…the raps are not a playoff team cuz the cannot play defense against anyone in the league (save for maybe new jersey and minnesota)…bosh is going to leave at the end of the year, so might as well get some value for him while you can…as for jay, he’s obviously knows enough to be not only a nba head coach but also the former canadian (leo rautins psh…) national team coach and his current USA basketball responsibilites. he’s not the most harsh guy in the world, but he knows what he’s talking about, these complaining players shouldn’t have to blame their coach when they’re the ones getting their asses kicked night in and night out…unfortunately jay probably will take the hit for this even though he’s not the one to blame

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  • um

    @Joel: If you really think that KG, Duncan, Boozer, Bynum, even friggin’ David Lee are worse defensive/rebounding players than Bosh, you’re retarded. BOSH IS IN A CONTRACT SEASON. Of course he’s gonna put up numbers. The bottom line is that he is not a team leader like KG, Duncan, or any of those guys. Colangelo has been trying to build around him ever since Vince left and it hasn’t worked, for that reason. I say ship him out, get some good BALANCED players, and start from scratch, because obviously this isn’t working.

  • iLL wiLL

    Raps need a real coach. I’m tired of seeing the same sh*t each game.

  • Ronald

    So basically, the players are calling out the coach for something the players have to do? If the players cared so much about defense then they should be calling each other out for blowing assignments etc. Not just the coach.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Hawks fan here. Phil Jackson, Dennis Rodman, and Charles Oakley couldn’t coach that Raptors team to play good defense. It’s not Triano’s fault that team is stocked with soft Europeans who shy away from physical contact and whose only defensive strategy is flopping.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    For a guy of his height and length, Bosh is way below average as a defender too. Al Horford is not the smoothest post scorer out there and he was out-muscling him on every possession. And for those who would read my previous comment and call me a racist, I’m talking about the European style of play, not their whiteness.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    “You know what all these guys have in common? 1.) They are perceived to be tougher than Chris Bosh. 2.) They are all being outrebounded by Chris Bosh, a quarter through the season. ”


    It’s really easy to pad your rebounding stats when everyone else on your team, including your 7 foot center, refuses to go within five feet of the paint.

  • Justin

    Anyone who puts this on the coach is an idiot. Is it the coach’s fault that guys don’t move their feet on defense, don’t box out, don’t fight to maintain their position on the block? Defense is a mental thing and you have to WANT to play, you need to dive on the floor for loose balls, anticipate where the passes are going and get in those passing lanes, etc. etc. People who want to fire a coach who has all these new players, a less than desirable schedule to start the year, and their most intense defensive player on the injured list don’t know what the hell they’re talking about and it’s pathetic

  • Buschfiya

    First off, Give Triano a chance… its still too early to fire his a$$. Most importantly, get rid of Jose Calderon, I don’t know why we haven’t gotten rid of him years ago. he had maybe one good season with us, but he is so bloody inconsistant it drives me nuts. Turkoglu either needs to step up or step out. Every time i turn on a game, he looks honestly bored, and always has a questioning look on his face as he he keeps asking himself ” why did I come here again?” no motivation, for him…the team as a whole looks pretty laid back. except for Amir Johnson and Marco Bellinelli, who seem to be doing well. according to the way the season has been going the starting lineup should be:

    Chris Bosh
    Reggie Evans
    Jarret Jack
    Amir Johnson
    Marco Bellinelli

    Overall the Raptors can score we know that much. but I sound like a broken record season after season, we need to stop settling for jumpers, and take it inside. Lastly but most importantly our defense is pathetic there is no defense. I have never see a worse defensive team in the 15 years T dot has been in the NBA.

  • wassup

    Anyone who says the raps just gotta do whatever it takes to resign bosh don’t know what they are talkin about. Im my opinion they should just trade him for some young talent right now while they can get it. it would be nice if they could get some tough players in that trade to but who knows what colangelo would do. I mean bosh completely dissapears in every fourth quarter and he’s startin to take too many jumpers again which he can make, but he’s ooooooohhh so much better when he takes it to the hole.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @um: This “not a team leader” rhetoric was exactly what they said of KG during his last season or two with the Timberwolves, if your non-retarded memory can help you recall that long ago. And I didn’t say that Bosh was a “better” rebounder – I said he was outrebounding them statistically.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @what: The same could be said of Dwight Howard over the past few seasons. The Magic play him and 4 shooters on the floor, or he’d never get those 20 rebound games. Chris Bosh isn’t a great defender, and no one is saying he is. But he’s the ONLY big man on the Raptors who even TRIES to do it.

  • LA Huey

    A Raps article with 100+ comments. Wow.

  • Migs

    @LA Huey – I guess you don’t know Raps fans. We’re on this treadmill til we die…

  • Buschfiya

    where’s the Passion? where’s the Intensity?

  • Buschfiya

    please get rid of Calderon and someone needs to coax turkoglu out of his slump he has no passion in his eyes like he doesn’t really care…

  • Buschfiya

    its like turk just came for the money

  • Migs

    @Buschfiya – Turk’s always had that sleepy look in his eyes…

  • Buschfiya

    I never see him coaxing his teammates though, like the other day Calderon had a turnover, Turk looked all pissed off at Calderon’s play, I thought he would get in his grill, but he just shrugged his shoulders and ran back up the floor.

  • drew

    you all are way too trigger happy.relax. bosh was a beast last night in washington, hedo was money when it counted, and reggie’s got his cast off. and triano? he adjusted too, subbing more often to allow a less-than-talented squad to be more intense on the defensive end amidst a tough time in the schedule.

    two years ago calderon was the sh*t and it was “trade ford, trade….everybody.” toronto fans are way too trigger happy. instant gratification junkies. this is going to take some hard work and patience. can they do it? we’ll see.

  • http://www.sheysmith.com Shey

    It really bugs me that so many sports writers and sports media are so OUT OF TOUCH with Toronto basketball.

    Triano isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Trust.