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Friday, December 4th, 2009 at 9:01 am  |  138 responses

Post Up: Welcome Home, AI

Bubba Chuck returns to where it all began.

by Holly MacKenzie/@stackmack

Allen is home. Allen is home. Allen is home.

I could copy and paste that 8000 times in this post because that’s about all my mind is thinking right now. I’m so happy. Thrilled. Over the moon. We can’t script reality because sometimes it’s too perfect. Envisioning an Iverson back to Philly “second chance” seemed foolish only a few months ago. Hell, even a few weeks ago.

But there he is. Smiling. Holding up what is perhaps the loveliest jersey I’ve ever seen. I loved the Sixers new uniforms this season. With a #3 and an IVERSON on the back, I loved them even more. This feels right. Even if it feels a little overwhelming and strange and almost scary. Scary because, if it doesn’t work in Philly, we know it isn’t going to work anywhere else. Strange because Iverson will go from being “retired” to starting (at least, I hope for his sake). Overwhelming because we will get to hear those Sixers fans scream their hearts out for Iverson once again.

I want this to work out for him more than anything I can recall in recent memory. It just feels right. Deserved He gave that franchise his heart for so many years. After  putting them on his back, they had a chance to give him a hand, a shot and a second chance. And they did.

The tears in his eyes, crackle in his always raspy voice, nervous smile as he tried to get a hold of his emotions, that is why Allen Iverson means what he does to me. He is real, raw, pure emotion. He is true to what he feels inside. It’s the only way he knows how to be. It’s the only way I ever want to be.

To the Philadelphia 76ers franchise, thank you.

Thank you for taking a chance on someone that you believe in. I believe in him, too.

Okay. I’ve got so much more to say/think/express about Iverson, but I can’t get my thoughts straight right now. Going from trying to accept that he was gone to having him back in Philadelphia has been a whirlwind. I’m sure you can relate.

Beyond that, DeJuan Blair had me singing #rookielove all evening. 18 points on 9-11 field goals, 11 rebounds (five offensive) in 21 minutes of play off of the bench. He was spectacular. He was everywhere. Hopping all over the place, making moves against KG, going up against Perkins battling for boards. He was aggressive, focused and absolutely jacked up at the end of the game as he led the Spurs back. San Antonio ended up losing the game to the Celtics, 90-83, but it wasn’t for a lack of effort on Blair’s part.

The Spurs were out of sync all night. Sloppy from the jump. They lost despite outrebounding Boston 55-32, including 20-2 on the offensive glass. How does that happen? By shooting just 7-for-17 from the free throw line and by turning the ball over 19 times.

Rajon Rondo is a hell of a point guard. Can people stop hating on him? Or, let me clarify that: Can people stop hating on his game? You don’t have to like him, but saying he sucks only makes you look ignorant. He’s a baller. Also, KG getting up to grab lob passes made me happy last night.

The Denver/Miami game was almost over before it started with the Nuggets leading by 16 at the half and rolling to the 114-96 win from there. Facing the Lakers tonight, things don’t get any easier for this Heat team on this West Coast swing. Did you all see the new hairstyle JR Smith is rocking? I personally enjoyed his six assists off of the bench to go with 16 points on 5-for-11 shooting. Dwyane Wade had 25 points and 10 rebounds to lead the Heat in the loss.

The Houston/Golden State game ended up being a close one down the stretch. After trailing by 10 in the fourth, the Rockets continued to play their team game and came roaring back while Monta Ellis and the Warriors had some heartbreaking turnovers late as Houston escaped with the 111-109 victory. With the game going back and forth, Aaron Brooks nailed two free throws with 2.1 seconds remaining and then Ellis was called for a travel on the in bounds catch and the Warriors didn’t get a chance to win it.

How’s this for a wacky line? Monta Ellis scored 24 points to go with six rebounds, eight assists, nine turnovers. He shot just 9-for-27 from the floor and had seven blocks against him. He played 47:28 minutes after missing the morning shootaround because he felt under the weather. Brooks led the way for Houston with 25 points, none bigger than his final two free throws.

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  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    And heeeeeeeeere the AI lovefest comes… I’ve switched my position from AI basher to AI supporter over the last week or so, but I can’t take much more AI love at this rate. This is the reason I hate the dude so much in the first place.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Anyone else excited about the Heat/Lakers game tonight? Where’s Eboy at?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Hi.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Off the second night of a back to back? I’m not too excited. If they had a day in between, I might feel it would be competitive. That being said, I think JO is key. If he can get Bynum in foul trouble early, they might be able to keep it close in the first half. After that, it’s a sh*tfest.

  • http://www.twitter.com/Th3_R3al_Chris Th3_R3al_Chris

    “The tears in his eyes, crackle in his always raspy voice, nervous smile as he tried to get a hold of his emotions, that is why Allen Iverson means what he does to me. He is real, raw, pure emotion. He is true to what he feels inside. It’s the only way he knows how to be. It’s the only way I ever want to be.

    To the Philadelphia 76ers franchise, thank you.”

    Damn, Holly. You did it with that one.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Do you really hate AI or do you hate him the way I hate Bron? Meaning you just hate the AI fanboys.

  • http://www.twitter.com/Th3_R3al_Chris Th3_R3al_Chris

    Random observations: JR’s haircut is soooo 90′s. Jermaine O’Neal should play the power forward position from here on out. KG keeps playing with my emotions and I’m hoping it’s for real this time (pause). Rondo attacking the basket and scoring or attempting to score > Rondo attacking the basket and faking a lay-up to throw a mid-air lob pass it out to the 3-point line (Holly can call me a hater all she wants but THAT move is a part of Rajon’s repertoire, and it’s one of the worst “basketball IQ moves” I’ve ever witnessed). Final random observation? Rasheed Wallace makes me heartily at least once a game, and for that I am more than thankful that he is playing for the hometown Celtics as I have access to seeing him play night in and night out. the fact that he happened to be the only Celtic player to know all 5 Spice Girls by name is awesome by the way (a reveal at a Celtics home game earlier this year).

  • solito

    I dreamt that AI wasn’t a Sixer anymore, and I was getting old. I just woke up, and it was all just a bad dream… Except for the “old” part.

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    @Jukai At least Philly have been mentioned in the Post Up for the first time in a while. Btw, do you hate him because of the media’s oversaturation or the ‘love’ they give him?

  • LA Huey

    CHI v CLE should be good. Bulls always seem to give Cavs fits. Also, best wishes to Sir Charles’ fam and may god bless his grandmother’s soul.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Bryan: I hate AI fanboys, you hit it on the head. Their perception of reality is so far off base, it’s horrible…

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    I mean, Tavoris told me the Bucks had Dale Ellis and Danny Manning on their team when Phili beat them! Teddy told me that Iverson was better than John Stockton!
    And these are just people from SLAM! I know so many dudes obsessed with AI in real life, that just don’t live in reality. I don’t get it.
    People shouldn’t be watching AI cry at the Phili press conference and say “that’s a warrior, right there. He really cares about the game”
    He faked a back injury to not play for Detroit than ran away from Memphis after three games! How is that “love of the game?”
    A fantastic talent, but a spade is a spade!

  • http://www.digitalthread.com AlbertBarr

    DeJuan Blair. The rookie closed out the game with Manu on the bench. Earn it rook. My question is: if he has no mcl or whatever tendon, does it matter? Did he ever have any? Or he is he a mutant? If he has never had any it shouldn’t matter, should it?

  • http://www.digitalthread.com AlbertBarr

    Oh, and this quote from the author Tom Robbins has been floating around in my head the last couple weeks whenever the Iverson posts get heated. I think it sums him up nicely “Our individuality is all, all, that we have. There are those who barter it for security, those who repress it for what they believe is the betterment of the whole society, but blessed in the twinkle of the morning star is the one who nurtures it and rides it in, in grace and love and wit, from peculiar station to peculiar station along life’s bittersweet route.” The dude is always, ALWAYS true to who he is as an individual…that’s enough for me.

  • peter

    Jukai, for fear of being classified an “AI fanboy”, you could easily make the argument that he is a better BASKETBALL PLAYER than Stockton…not had a better career, not a better winner, not a better point guard…but a better player.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Peter: he was probably more skilled than Stockton… A better basketball player? Could you elaborate on why you think AI was a better basketball player?

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Monta please let Curry shoot more kthxbye.

  • RV

    shane battier had 7 blocks last night, about 6 of them on Monta alone…

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Jukai:AI is a better scorer than Stockon. Everthing else? Advantage Mr. Short shorts.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Jukai and Brad: AI could win you games by himself. Stock is a great player and the greatest “system player” ever but if I was starting a franchise and I had to pick a guy it’d be iverson over stock 100 out of 100.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    I love the Answer and your right about him winning you games by himself, Bryan. The problem that I have with that thinking is that Stockton made everyone around him better, and IMO that wins a franchise more games over a period of time than what A.I. brings to the table, but don’t take that as me calling him selfish, just different players who had different impacts on the game. If I just had a group of guys who really didn’t have much scoring potential I’d take A.I. If I had a couple of good shooters and a decent power forward I’m taking Stockton.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why are y’all debating Iverson vs. Stockton again? Let it go.
    I don’t like “fanboys” period.
    Kobe fanboys.
    Bron fanboys.
    Iverson fanboys.
    Nash fanboys.
    Dirk fanboys.
    All fanboys. But, I dislike media fanboys the most.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Jukai, I think that Stockton was a better basketball player than Iverson but the difference is not that great. Their roles were completely different and they both did what they were asked to do extremely well. AI is one of the best scorers we have ever witnessed. John Stockton is one of the best passers we have ever witnessed.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    WTF was Monta thinking!?!? That was the worst end of game sequence I have ever seen. That was not merely a travel. He caught the ball, spun, took two more steps and NEVER DRIBBLED THE BASKETBALL before releasing. INSANE.

  • peter

    Better player simply because he can do more things on the court. Like brad said, depending on the team if you had a go to guy, you would have stockton 10 times out of 10 to run the point. But you couldn’t build a contender solely around stockton. Both are great. I’m just saying its not a crazy argument.

  • RV

    Z, the foot he tried to plant with slipped, it was either travel and hope to get away with it, or fall on the floor…

  • RV
  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Yeah but the ref didnt blow the whistle right away and kinda let it slide when he slipped and recovered on the catch but then he spun and took two more steps leaving the ref no choice but to call the travel. The ref basically gave him every opportunity he could to not let the game be decided by a travelling violation.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Monta was high. he and Artest hooked up before the game.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    If I had to pick a team starting now, I’d choose Stockton a billion times over Iverson. Iverson can score…. and he can score amazingly. But every single other aspect of the game belonged to Stockton.
    Lock-down defense, more steals than Iverson (the only thing Iverson ever did well on the defensive end), smarter rebounding, SUPERIOR passing, much better leadership, a warrior like work ethic and a great locker room presence.
    To me, it really is a crazy argument. To me, it’s really not close. Maybe I’m being a Stockton fanboy, I don’t know, but it seems insane when a smart dude like Bryan says he’d rather have AI on his team. I’d pick Stockton and my team would have a far greater amount of success.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    And I didn’t see this Monta play. Sorta glad I didn’t.

  • RV

    i’d have to see the replay, but i’m sure he slipped as he took off with he ball, not before the catch…maybe he slipped twice, but he definitely traveled because he slipped.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    smart rebounding, really?

  • tavoris

    Jukai, why u callin me out? Pretty low…get me off ur mind, dude

  • http://www.sportsandaLatte.wordpress.com SportsandaLatte

    A.I. is back home…I’m glad his career came full circle…I just hope he can do well with the team.

    He seems to have grown up a little.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    On most teams I would rather have Stockton. He’s easier to fit in.
    On a team where I need scoring from the guard spot, I’d pick Iverson.
    Stockton had the better career, and maximized his talents. Talent-wise, Iverson was superior, but that doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Here’s a thought though.
    Iverson was often expected to do things that weren’t exactly comfortable or easy for him to do on the court. Basically, run the team like a pass-first point guard.
    Was Stockton ever required to leave his comfort zone as a player? In fact, given the fact that Stockton went through some lean years in Utah, is their any indication that Stockton could have taken over games like say an Isiah Thomas?
    Which, by the way, is the far more interesting debate in my opinion?

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I think they’re two different to compare the more I think about it.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Too also.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Isiah Thomas v. John Stockton or Allen Iverson or both of them combined is not even a debate. He went back to back without another hall of famer during the most competitve years the league has ever seen. Did anyone else beat Bird, Magic and Jordan in their prime?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Greek Dude
    Don’t you get tired of that?
    You are a grown man, at least according to your posts here.
    What type of grown man behaves in that manner? You can try to justify it by going on one of your rants about the “kids” but that’s crap. Act like an adult. Adults don’t just spout random jibberish designed to derail conversations. That’s childlike behavior.
    Damn, I try to let it slide, but come one. Act like an adult.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    Allen “Kournikova of basketball” Iverson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JOHN STOCTON.(in shoe sales)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    “- Troll, or comment with the intention of creating problems. Trolling includes, but isn’t limited to, baiting people to flame at you, encouraging people to leave the site, spamming and using alternate IDs.”

    I guess those rules are just for decoration.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @Myles Brown….:wasn’t Joe Dumars included in the hall two years ago….?
    @Allenp………:1)i am not an adult 2)i am doing this to get close to the mental age of my favorite “Anna”, to make it feel more comfortable .

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Sorry Myles. I believe the comment you were referring to is no longer with us. Chill, DD.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    mama,mama!!!! a big kid is making fun of our little Myles!!!! (Joe Dumars for the hall of fame!!!!)

  • Robb

    Never liked AI, but this was the right thing to do. He’s come full circle, and will retire the way it should be. Great individual player, not a great team player but he’s very accomplished.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    I think Isiah is far superior to Iverson and Stockton.
    But, don’t pretend that Thomas versus Stockton isn’t a long running debate that Isiah finds himself losing far too often.
    Isiah was what Stockton and Iverson could never be. A stone-cold scorer who could also run your team to perfection.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Joe Dumars was a nice player. But, he wasn’t on the same level as say, Karl Malone.
    Isiah Thomas has become criminally underrated due to some of his crappy decisions with the Knicks. This dude’s legacy is not being respected.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Its funny that everyone thinks iverson is like the worst passer ever or something he did average 6 assists a game as a 2 guard and put up a season of 33 and 8. I’m not a fan boy per se but give the guy more credit than he’s just a scorer.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    Assists are to being a great passer what steals are to being a great defender.
    But, dude isn’t as bad a chucker as people like to pretend. He’s bad, but not that bad.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    He wasnt respected while he was playing either. In back to back championship seasons he got one TOTAL MVP vote. Get on the wrong side of Michael Jordan and youll regret it. Unless your name is Juanita.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Zeke>>>AI or Stockton and it really isn’t even close. Of course, i’m biased.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I wasn’t using that to say he was a great passer , but you can’t be an all out chucker and play off guard and still get 8 assists a game in my opinion. He was a good passer for his position , if he was point guard I’d say he didn’t pass enough but he hasn’t played point since his rookie year.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    And Iverson was the worst kind of chucker. In 2001-02, the year after his MVP, Iverson shot the ball 27.8 times per game….at 39.8%. In 2003-04 he shot the ball 23.4 times per game at 38.7%. Bubba chucks, and chucks, and chucks….

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    And yes, Joe Dumars is criminally underrated. With respect to Isiah though, those Detroit teams were pretty stacked: Rodman, Salley, Laimbeer, “Buddha” Edwards, Mark Aguirre(and the screwed corpse of Adrian Dantley), Vinnie Johnson, Rick Mahorn and Dumars. Isiah just tied it all together.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    U.S. just got placed in the Great Britain group….this is good. (June 12: U.S. vs Great Britain).

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    i mean,good for the U.S….

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Yeah and when he played with other people who could score in the post he shot the ball a lot less at a higher percentage. When the dude had a decent second option his percentage is right around 45%

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    2 years with Melo : 26 ppg 45% , with Webber (who was a shell) 33 ppg 45%, his last year playing pg 22ppg 6 apg 46.1 % from the floor with Derrick Coleman as his number 2.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    Iverson got his highest assist totals while playing a lot of his time at the point. When he played the two guard, he typically averaged about 4-5 assists.
    Myles
    How many shots did he take in Denver? How many shots was he taking when he was shooting 42-43 percent?
    Who else should have been shooting besides Iverson?

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Last night’s Celtics/Spurs game was sponsored by the DVD release of No Country for Old Men.
    San Antonio is so done, it’s not even funny. Struggling to score 65 after 3 quarters for the last 2 seasons. Ship has sailed.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    When he played with Webber, I think he was technically playing the point. All those 30 and 7 years were at the point.
    I think Iverson passes when his teammates are talented. I don’t think he’s a good point guard, but I don’t think he’s an unrepentant chucker like Myles thinks.
    TAD
    Joe Dumars is in the HOF. He’s rated perfectly if you ask me.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Anton
    I always had doubts when the Spurs got Jefferson. I didn’t think he did the same things well that Bowen did, and the things he did well didn’t seem like they would fit. But, then I allowed myself to be convinced they could pull it together.
    They still have time, but it’s not looking good.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    OK, the groups were just formed for the second greatest sporting event in the world(a close second to the Olympics) 2010 FOOTBALL WORLD CUP. So we have: U.S., England, Slovenia and Algeria.
    In our group we have: Argentina, Corea, Nigeria and Greece. In my opinion you really have chances cause England(the big name of your group) always seem to fail, while Slovenians are a young up & down team and Algeria ain’t something special. We have a more difficult mission(Argentina has the best player in the world for example in Messi, Corea is always playing good and fast) but you never know….
    See you in South Africa!!!!!!

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Yeah, you know you have a 1-on-1 mismatch when Sheed takes you in the post for the first time since 2004…against Matt Bonner. And why isn’t Ginobli in the game when it’s close in the 4th? I don’t even consider them an elite team anymore, everyone says they’re a threat based on reputation. Mavs would school them in the playoffs again. Lakers cake walking and girl-r@paing back to the finals.

  • Still ballin

    I can’t wait till Monday..I wanna see bubba chuck do his thing!! To show the world that being 34 is not too old to be playing in the NBA!!

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @all the kids…..: if all healthy, the Spurs will be in the west finals against the Lakers. The winner will be 2010 NBA champs.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Also, LeBron is a dumbass with no worth ethic nor killer instinct. Watch him make a full-court short with a football in practice: http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2009/12/lebron_james_makes_a_fullcourt.html
    With the 1st pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Are you guys really calling out the Spurs as washed up after just 1 month of an NBA season?

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    @Juaki “He faked a back injury to not play for Detroit than ran away from Memphis after three games! How is that “love of the game?””
    No doubt he faked injury in Det, but consider this. AI replaced the undoubted leader and most amicable guy in that Pistons team; Chauncey Billups. Not one of the dressing room, including the coach, wanted him there; even more so when you consider who he replaced. It was solely Dumars who wanted him there, and maybe a few fans who wanted to see AI but they didn’t consider the tactical impact; AI contrasted completely and utterly with what made Pistons a force for most of this decade; lots of hustle, suffocating D, and a strong emphasis on team play, on both D and O. Ultimately, Rip handed a ‘me or him’ ultimatum to coach when both had been benched and we all know what happened then. And AI has DEVOUTLY stated for numerous years, it is start or quit. He was benched, permanently, for the season. No trade possible. So they came to an agreement that BENEFITTED all sides; AI didn’t suffer what he saw as a humiliation and Pistons got some of their mojo and chemistry back. As for the Memphis debacle, dude shouldn’t of even been at such a pathetic franchise. That is the bottom line, and there is no doubt he should of stuck around and fought for his place, but as he has always said, it’s starting or nothing. Personally, adhering to your own principles so strongly deserves credit. Most people would have pussied out, done what others wanted to do while they didn’t like it. In life, you go through situations you don’t want because of particular reasons but the fact of the matter is AI owed absolutely jacksh!t to the Grizz; it was another case of GM forcing a move no-one below him was keen on.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    @ Z: you see the Cavs’ retro intro video? Epic lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHsHQOFmnMY&feature=player_embedded

  • http://facebook.com DMC- Ballerfresh

    Heyo DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS, I disagree with you. The Nuggets will absolutely make western finals before the Spurs, yo. Aight dawg? Spurs 9-7, Nuggets 14-5 (as of 12/4 homie.)

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    @ Tad: at what point last year where the Spurs not washed up? A few good nationally televised games against the Lakers was their only accomplishment. And that wasn’t even that impressive considering the Durantula bullied those n!&&as in the regular season.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Did they not make the playoffs? I must need an updated Webster’s Dictionary with the new description for ‘washed up’.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    if you think the spurs are washed up your a crazy person. You can say they are washed up if they don’t run off like 10 straight after the all star break. because that happens just about every year

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Man, the SPurs are pretty notorious for stating out the season slow and flying under the radar, and even moreso now that they have new guys. You can count on them being in the mix at the end of the season if they’re healthy. They’re too talented and too well coached not to be.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Yeah tim duncan is so washed up he’s gonna put up 19, 11, 4 and 2 this year. Get him the f*ck out of the league.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @Anton,Allenp,Eboy,tavoris,TADOne,Teddy,Betcats,Jukai,Bryan,Hursty,etc…..: i gave my NBA finals predictions BEFORE the start of the season here and i challenged you to give me yours (since you are the experts on NBA ball and i know nothing…). I do it again without changing my preseason prediction (that has Spurs as the second favorite for champs) although i give you the benefit of “guessing” after the first quarter is over (i bet most of you Kobe haters will have trouble not putting no-1 the lakers now….i don’t mind, i give you the advantage…). So my preseason predictions for the NBA champion were: Lakers 50%, Spurs 30%, Celtics 15%, CAVS %, OTHER 0%. I expect the same format, 5 picks (4 teams and “other”) and the corresponding percentages for each of them (don’t give 10 teams……). Come on, you will get the chance to make fun of me if Lakers and Spurs (or Celtics from the east) fail…….

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    Cavs have 5%…..(i know that it is implied but Jukai can spend 6 hours and 15 posts until he figures it out….)

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Welcome back, Iverson!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dimitris your list is basically the Las Vegas Gambling Odds. its not unique

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    RICK ADELMAN IS TOP 3 BEST COACHES IN THE NBA. Man, he is so good at both X’s and O’s, as well as player rotations.
    Putting Ariza on Monta Ellis on defense was very smart–you could tell that his length and athleticism really bothered Monta.
    That Rockets/Warriors game was the best game last night. It was fun to watch Adelman and Nellie compete to see who could fit in the smallest line-up. When Yao/Mac get back, the Rockets can switch it up between Yao-ball and small-ball.
    The thing I like about the Rockets’ right now is that their defense is still as solid as ever, even with Carl Landry playing CENTER.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Alright, I`m gonna go now.
    LET`S GO ROCKETS!

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @nbk…..: i don’t know the Las Vegas odds but i trust you on this and i wouldn’t be surprised if it is so. From my experience with European betting firms on soccer games, those firms seem to know (most of the times) most than the majority of journalists and other so-called experts. Now, your picks please.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @nbk….: at the same time i don’t think that somebody is giving a combined 0% to Denver,Orlando & Dallas to win it all….

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lakers – 65% / Celtics – 20% / Spurs – 5% / Nuggets – 3% / Other (Cavaliers & Magic) 7%

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    Anton, to use a expression holly annoyingly uses 15 times to many in any post ups…you made me smile again dude, “we gon bullie this ni&&as”!!!!!!! My team-TRAIL BLAZERS-needs that thug attitude…and its true, Durantula took care of them allready this season.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    thats barring injury

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, Anthony Morrow is the truth. Straight up, that dude is going to be an All-Star one day.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @nbk…..:thanks.
    @everybody….:i want your preseason take. even if nobody can prove it , i will trust all of you telling the truth and go on from there….

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @nbk….:of course.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Lakers – 80%, Celtics – 10% (Garnett will get injured), 7% Cavs, 3% Magic (VC will shoot them out).
    However, Cavs repeat as chemistry champs, and White Chocolate wins the MVP.
    I’m out like Tiger Woods’ voicemails.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    @ Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers: b!tch ass ni&&as! Unlike Greg Oden, that line never gets old.

  • RV

    teddy, you mean on the last play? Because it was battier who was on monta most of the game

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    RV, I mean the fourth quarter, where Ariza played Monta most then.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay, I should have said Battier(slash)Ariza.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    And Battier guarded Morrow a lot in the second half (mostly forth quarter).

  • tavoris

    sorry Greek dude, I see my name in your post, but the rest is gibberish. You’re kinda like white noise in these parts.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    This is just a quick, rough prediction:
    Lakers 40%, Celtics 20%, Spurs 20%, Magic 10%, Cleveland 4.9999999999999%, Houston 5% (Gotta put my favorite team), Dallas + Atlanta 0.0000000000000000001%.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think predictions are stupid.
    But, I did figure the Lakers and Celts were going to meet again in the Finals. Whether the Celtics can win depends a lot on K.G.’s knee, and Bynum’s health. But, I like the Lakers to beat the Celtic with the addition of Artest.

  • Robb

    Dimitris you are the most annoying MF I’ve seen here.

    Get lost

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Allenp: Its called speculation. Its fun. You just made a prediction, too…

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Speculations: Lakers: 75%, Celtics: 10%, Magic: 5%, Cavaliers: 5%, Everyone else: 5%.
    The Spurs do not have a chance simply because they aren’t a healthy team. They have not proved they can get through a stretch of time where they are all 100% and I doubt it will be better after 82 games.
    Also: Isiah > Stockton > Iverson.
    Why did Isiah get thrown in there? To belittle the difference between Stock and Iverson? I’m confused how his name even got up. Isiah is a top-15 level player. He’s unreal.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Iverson shouldn’t be in a comparison w/ 2 pg’s. Unless your doing a 6′ and under list jukai then your prolly right.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign nbk.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Except, I don’t think Stockton is better than Iverson.
    Iverson > Stockton for me, but they are completely different.

  • http://Www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Tears made me feel sorry for him but then i remembered the injury, the retiring, the complaining & pouting, the dismissing and it was sobering. Great to see him back with HIS team, but i’d be quite shocked if AI the PG would turn this ship around. Remains to be seen, i guess. Hey Ben, you actively deleted one of Spanny’s rants? Wow, must have been a humdinger.

  • http://www.digitalthread.com AlbertBarr

    Its a little late, but…Lakers: 65% Celtics: 10% Nuggets: 9% Cavaliers: 6% Magic: 7% Misc.: 3%

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    LA 50 Cavs 20 Bos 20 Magic 9 Denver thughets 1

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    LA 70, BOS 20, ORL 9, OTHERS(CLE,DEN) 1
    And the AI and STOCK debate isn’t clear cut. Not only are they completely different players, but their teams were completely different. That Mailman fella is kinda nice to have on your team, no?
    As far as picking a franchise guy, Allenp got it right when he said for most teams, you’d go with Stock. Just a much easier fit. But when you don’t have another guy who can put up 20ppg, I’d go with Iverson. Stockton cannot get you buckets.
    I’m also curious… has Myles always hated Iverson this much? It seems like in every AI post I read, Myles Brown loads up and fires like it’s his life’s calling. That’s cool, everyone’s got a biased opinion, even writers. I’m just curious if you were like this when you guys were printing out Iverson covers every other month? When you covered his Finals run, did you mention how overrated it was? Was there a “BUBBA CHUCK CHUCKS WAY TOO DAMN MUCH” cover that I missed? Or did you write about how inspirational and how dominant the little guy was because back then, people loved him and couldn’t get enough? Just curious because for me, I can’t pull that fake facade ish without feeling a little queasy.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    So,….EVERYBODY was almost sure that the Lakers were going to win it all (70% propability on average) and Cavaliers have no-chance at all (5% on average) B-E-F-O-R-E the season started…..as i already said, i am going to take your word on that although i have to admit that it seems to me a litle bit strange (just based on the prevailing certainty on Lebron’s superiority over Kobe on this forum…..i thought some of you would have given him at least 20% just for this) .Anyway, thank you all for responding (somewhere tavoris is feeling really confused…..).We will see how we all did in the end of the season. Hope Lebron(or Artest….) doesn’t make us all look really stupid….
    @Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers……: you are a brave man.Thanks.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @Darksaber…..:this EWE BASKETS really dissapointed me…last week i was hoping that at least they were going to give a fight against Panathinaikos and this week QYNTEL WOODS is having a party in their own place….i was basically expecting more from Ricky Paulding….

  • FoCo

    40% Lakers 30% NUGGETS 20% Celtics 8% Magic 2% Somebody Else 0% Lebron and whatever 4 nobodies are on the court with him.

    Curry was a chucker of the worst order in college…dude can get hot and make some shots but he lives on that one March run. Haven’t payed much attention to him in the League yet though.

  • tavoris

    @Jukai-go back to that post in that discussion about Philly’s run. I did not say Manning and Ellis were on the Bucks. Our discussion was about the Toronto Raptors. Get a freaking life, dude.

  • tavoris

    @tealish-I think Myles is just tired of seeing articles about him every day. If he got as much ink as Kevin Durant does up here, then it’s a little easier to hold back.

    @Jukai-ur recollection of details is HORRIBLE. are u a meth head or sumthin?

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    After last night Jukai’s paranoiac back&forth(which was one of his most hilarious nevertheless) tavoris is making a courageous attempt to top him with this comment (Dec.5 8:21am): “@Jukai-go back to that post in that discussion about Philly’s run. I did not say Manning and Ellis were on the Bucks. Our discussion was about the Toronto Raptors. Get a freaking life, dude.” Now, if you indeed go back to that post you will actually see him saying: ( Oct.12 at 9:45 am)
    “Jukai, the 2000 Bucks (with Allen, Cassell, Robinson, Danny Manning, Tim Thomas, and Dale Ellis) were LESS talented than the Sixers?”…..no wonder whenever they have a “debate” it is an instant (unintentional)comedy classic….
    I have come to the following posibilities:
    a)both kids are below 13 years old.5%
    b)they are posting drunk or something similar.7%
    c)both have the mental talent of Nicola Tesla (on the opposite side of the bell curve…)58%
    d)both are the same guy lonely guy that just writes hilarious things to get attention.10%
    e)none of them exists, it is some SLAM guys righting crazy things for all of us to keep posting. 20%

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    @SPANAGOPOULOUS……: Some could contend that your point d) could apply to yourself if you replaced “hilarious” with “provoking”. Actually, hilarious works too. That’s the only reason I can think of to explain why a knowledgeable hoop head like yourself writes the things you do.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    @tavoris: That’s not the point. AI has always dominated headlines. I’m just curious if Myles was open with his hate in his writing when Iverson was balling and selling mags. He still sells, (shoe seller!!!, etc), but his game, or at least how he’s played of late, isn’t there and it’s cool to hate now. I’m curious because learly, Myles doesn’t respect Iverson’s game now or ever before for any stretch of his career. That much is clear. The only question is whether he showed that viewpoint back in the late 90′s and early 2000′s. Just my silly curiosity.

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  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @tealish…..:ok, i can definitely be considered provoking in a way. The question remains: can you explain me the logic behind the first ten lines of the 10:06 am comment..? (tavoris:”……..i said Dale was at the bucks …..but you are a meth head cause i never said that Dale was at the bucks….. “). I am waiting for your “non provoking” answer.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    While I’d like to point out Spanny was unable to debate me on his own Greek National Team and ended the conversation with “yes!” (I think he blamed it on a language gap or something?)
    I’d also like to see Tavoris respond to this one…

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    I don’t know, I didn’t follow that and I don’t care to. If he’s lying, he’s lying. If there’s another story, there’s another story. It doesn’t matter to me. I don’t know why it matters to you.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @Jukai/tavoris……:is it ‘power game’ or ‘Spanoulis’ today….????!!!!!(the best thing is that you don’t even get it, so no fear of losing you !!!)
    tealish…….: you don’t need to “follow” something….if reading 3 lines means “following” then my english are indeed in big trouble….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Back in the late 90′s I was in high school and had no affiliation with this mag or any other. And I dont see how questioning the work ethic of a player who shot upwards of 25 times a game at barely 40% is ‘hating’. You kids and your rap music….

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Spanny: So, are we going to admit I beat you in an argument and you have little else to say?

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @Jukai(tavoris)……:YES!!!!! and since you really don’t get it ,so we don’t run the risk of losing you, i am telling you today that the 3 second rule exists(for god sake this was H-I-L-A-R-I-O-U-S!!!) in Eurore, i just didn’t want to interupt your panic run yesterday….(you wrote “…..totally different concepts to boxing out (thanks to no three-second rule),…… “)
    @tavoris(Jukai)……:now you ALSO can make fun of your “alter ego” since a)he is changing affirmations on a game he never saw(now it is Spanoulis, then it is pick & roll,then again it is Power game) b) he is commenting and analyzing for 20 posts the impact of the “lack” of a BASIC RULE that OF COURSE exists. Next time he is going to write that there is no 24 second time limit in the FIBA game , that is why we have lower scores!!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    @Myles — Couple things, I rarely listen to rap and there’s nothing wrong with questioning his work ethic. My only observation is that in every Iverson post, you come out swinging. It’s approximately a 15:2:1 ratio of negative:neutral:positive content in your AI comments.
    Again, I was just curious on how you wrote/approached AI back then. That’s all. But if you were in high school…. cool, lol.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @TavorisJukai/Jukaitavoris….: it became obvious that you are the same person since the propability of having two guys that ,so blatantly, REPEATEDLY contradict and ridicule themselves ,IN THE SAME site, in the SAME post and in the SAME funny style are close to zero….

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @Jukaitavoris/tavorisjukai…..:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_basketball

    (“it was the deffensive players you full!!” yeap,that’s my kids… )

  • tavoris

    greek dude-leave me out of ur pointless arguments. The best players in the world are in the NBA. I don’t give 2 spits about the basketball players from across the pond UNTIL they come to the NBA.
    You can take your ridiculous lists, crumple them up, and use them to wipe Darko’s jizz off your chin.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @tavorisjukai…….:and the best whisky in the world is in….??? (keep drinking!!!!)

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Spanny: That is a completely different argument that we didn’t actually have (unless you are Rikson) but the three second rule exists in Europe? I actually didn’t know that. In all leagues or just some leagues?
    I didn’t see it on the wiki article, so if you could explain it to me, I’d actually appreciate that.
    Oh, and you still lost the Greek national team debate.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    BOTH “alter ego’s” (jukaitavoris/tavorisjukai)completely anihilated….!!!! i can’t brag for this, it wasn’t that difficult…. One last thought: Germany ain’t good at basketball and this Jukaitavoris guy is intentionally writting stupid/false/self-contradicting things to get over his lonelyness and all,BUT…this Rickson guy, doesn’t even know the RULES…?????!!!!

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Boy, you sure do get heated when I mention you lost that debate.

  • Jack

    Personally, I’m not a fan of the new jerseys, feel as though they’re a step back, too old. The old ones were my favourites in the league. And I’m a Nuggs fan.

  • j4zzm4n

    since the inclusion of spanny rants this message board degenerated rather quickly. very happy to see the answer back at home and even though i am not a fan i hope the 76ers at least make the playoffs so a.i 3 can finish off on a high.

  • tavoris

    @Jukai-if you remember that discussion, I responded with the rosters in the year that you mentioned. After which, you retracted and said you meant 2001, not 2000. It was an error on both parts, but that doesn’t change the fact that 90% of our discussion was about Toronto, not Milwaukee. But to clear that up-Milwaukee (Allen, Robinson, Cassell) STILL had more top-to-bottom talent than the Sixers-without those two players. CLEARLY. It was a miniscule details that don’t change the point of my post.

    @ Greek dude-you’re pathetic. I’m pretty sure that you’re far more familiar with the warmth of American Whiskey, the dryness of Russian Vodka, and the saltiness of Greek jizz than we can all imagine.

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