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Wednesday, January 6th, 2010 at 3:56 pm  |  292 responses

NBA Suspends Gilbert Arenas Indefinitely

by Ryne Nelson

The NBA posted a press release about Gilbert Arenas’ future… an awfully cloudy future at that:

NEW YORK, January 6, 2010 – National Basketball Association Commissioner David Stern issued the following statement today:

“The possession of firearms by an NBA player in an NBA arena is a matter of the utmost concern to us. I initially thought it prudent to refrain from taking immediate action because of the pendency of a criminal investigation involving the office of the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia and the Metropolitan Police Department, and the consideration of this matter by a grand jury sitting in the District of Columbia. For the same reason, I directed the Wizards to refrain from taking any action. Wizards personnel continue to be interviewed by law enforcement authorities, some are scheduled for appearance before the grand jury and the investigation is proceeding with the intensity that one would expect for such a serious incident.

“Although it is clear that the actions of Mr. Arenas will ultimately result in a substantial suspension, and perhaps worse, his ongoing conduct has led me to conclude that he is not currently fit to take the court in an NBA game. Accordingly, I am suspending Mr. Arenas indefinitely, without pay, effective immediately pending the completion of the investigation by the NBA.”

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  • http://myspace.com/datboifabio Fabio

    ohh poor gil, he should teach david stern a lesson!
    and show him his guns!!

  • Hussman25

    Next up… Contract

  • Peat

    First !

    and sad..

  • Rzavwa

    Wowzers. Gil got grounded. Bad.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Not fit to play in the NBA. — David Stern. SMH

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    And he was playing like an All-Star again. Way too early to suspend him.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    So basically thought Arenas wasn’t contrite enough. He didn’t behave like he should have.
    WELL WHAT ABOUT DONALD STERLING! WAS HE EFFING CONTRITE!
    Stern gonna mess around and make me give the NBA the NFL treatment with his shifting rules and guidelines. Nobody has been charged with a crime, and some reports say that Wizards employees knew Arenas had the guns at the Verizon Center. This is bogus.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Without pay? I didn’t know Stern could do that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    Gil isn’t first guy to get in similar trouble, but to me the key phrase in Stern’s statement is “ongoing conduct.”

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I expect Caron and Antwan to be on the trading block now.

  • JD

    I wander what Gil will do after his playing career is over? I mean, not many teams would want to take him, and Europe probably wont want him either

  • NAS

    well deserved; this must be the most expensive “joke” ever

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This is some crap. This is like Stern telling Iverson not to release a rap album while is owners own casinos and discriminate against blacks and Latinos. It’s total BS.
    Nobody wants to talk about the double standard here. It’s obvious. And all Stern will do is show up in some random barber shop, shake some hands and crack some jokes and folks will look pass this. Sickening…
    Talking about Arenas was guaranteed a big suspension, then says the NBA has to do an investigation. Why do an invetigation if you’ve already decided he’s guilty? What the hell are you investigating?
    It’s bogus, and the media will wolf it down without asking critical questions because it fits the storyline.

  • vmcb

    Indefinitely? I didn’t see this coming. Sucks for Gil, but he’s been treating this whole situation like a joke.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Y’all are fools if you think Arenas won’t find a job if Washington cuts him. He’s too talented not to find work.
    He’ll likely sign a small deal somewhere, kill everybody on the court, then get another big deal while Washington gets nothing.
    Bottom line, Washington is using this as a get out of jail free card for Arenas’ contract.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    What a bunch of PR BS

  • bakers’ dozen

    This is really messed up.
    Was anybody in as much danger as when Ron Artest went into the stands? He got suspended for 70+ games…but I honestly can’t remember it being “indefinite” and “without pay.”
    Remember, this came from the NY Post, though…the same one that said Gil and Crittenton pulled guns on each other….
    Hopefully Gil starts his own league. He’s got hte cash.

  • OneStep

    It’s about time one of these arrogant multi-millionaires with their f*** the world attitude was given a dose of the reality that us mere mortals have to endure. You can take the guy out of the hood but…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I few things I learned from this situation:
    1. Never voluntarily discuss anything with the police or media. What’s the incentive, they’ll still kill you. Make them work from lies and rumors, then sue their butts later.
    2. Playing a joke with guns is more serious than carrying a loaded weapon through an airport. Or busting shots in a parking lot.
    3. David Stern reserves the right to take way your guaranteed contract at any time if he feels like you’re not behaving properly. So, nothing you have is guaranteed.

  • http://slamonline.com GotHandles?

    all of Gil’s forfeited earnings will be distributed evenly among all SLAM subscribers. – Associated Press

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    did scottie pippen get suspended in 94 when they found a gun on him? or are rules for champions different

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I agree with you Allenp, but only to an extent. I think if Gil actually treated this more seriously from the get go and wasn’t tweeting about it and not doing the shooting motion with his hands then Stern may not have acted so swiftly. I’m not saying that Stern is right but Gil certainly wasn’t accepting full blame either.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Onestep
    You can take the Klansman from under the hood…

  • LA Huey

    We all know this is an image thing. Sterling being a racist doesn’t hurt the league’s image among the masses. Hell, most casual fans probably don’t even know about it. Everyone that watches ESPN knows about Gil’s situation though. A bit unfair but dude’s like Gil are the type you don’t want carrying guns.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    It’s not the guns, its that Arenas said “Stern is Mean.” True story =P

  • Phil B

    me thinks this was too much.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Onestep
    You can take the hood off the KKKlansman…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Onestep
    Even with your hood on you’re easy to identify.

  • d.j.

    haha the guy who said “first” was actually 3rd thats mad funny…. and wow this sux 4 gill i bet that pregame picture of him the other night goofing off didnt help much either.. that might be what threw it over the top actually… and Europe will definitely take gill if he wants to go there trust me, if he does go he will win euro league because he will be the best player there…

  • Hussman25

    @ TADOne: Couldn’t agree with u more… He should have been serious from the jump! This means 1. Def Twan and Caron are just gone; 2. Washington will now go after the contract & be a big player this summer (if they get rid of caron and twan for xpiring deals) and 3. I wonder if this is grounds for Adidas to go after his shoe deal and drop him???

  • http://www.twofistedpress.com Pve84

    Is this really PR BS? Arenas had guns in his locker. Not smart, but also not in question. He deserves a suspension. Indefinitely? Maybe that’s a bit much, but time will tell. Also, with Gilbert joking around to downplay the whole thing (which I don’t disagree with personally) probably does not meet Stern’s liking. The double standard for owners is a valid point, though. At the end day though, Gil should not have had the guns in his locker. In just about any other professional environment, one can expect to lose his or her job if they store (unloaded) guns at their work place without the consent of their employer. At least Arenas still has a chance.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm…..let’s cut it to the bare bones…..who here takes an unloaded gun with them and keeps it at their desk/locker/workspace? This was not unexpected. Allen, I’m surprised you seem so surprised by it. Sternbot’s as phony as his processing system, you know it, I know it, and so do most of the people that thinks he’s got an underhandedness to the approach of the running of his league.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    This is just another log to that fire.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    This is BULLSH*T. How is Delonte still playing then? Why werent Bassy, CapN Jack, and Jamaal suspended for the year? This is clearly a case of Stern flexing his muscle on Gil because hes a star and affects the bottom line, to soothe the public outcry and because of Gils refusal to take this seriously.

  • Peter

    Allenp, this suspension is obviously directly related to the pre-game ‘shooting’…I think the twitter jokes would have been ok, but making fun of the situation in an NBA game you can see where Stern is coming from…but whoever thinks Gil won’t get another contract is retarded…maybe not 111M but he’ll be playing again

  • L

    Come to Europe Gil !! L

  • OneStep

    Allenp
    I don’t see Stern wearing white. I see him protecting the NBA business empire. If this story hadn’t blown up in the media for so long then Stern doesn’t have to react. That it did is in no small part down to Arenas missing the opportunity to apologise immediately for his behaviour. Also, fooling around with guns on NBA time and on NBA property shows a callous disregard for his employers. It’s not a race issue it’s a dickhead issue.

  • karma

    You guys are dumb. He’s being suspended at the moment for acting like an idiot while he was still allowed to play (tweeting, gun-fingers, etc). If he hadn’t acted so stupid after the fact Stern would have held off his decicison.

  • http://msn.co.nz Westy

    Are you guys serious? Arenas has taken a gun into the team’s facility. I think this warrants a serious suspension and a massive change in his attitude. Who the hell is arrogant enough to do that?!? Areans. Suspend him for the whole damn season and definitely without pay. What a moron.

  • Tyquan

    Even though it seemed like most people were calling for him to be suspended I for one thought that when the initial report came out about the incident with Crittenton it seemed like much to do about nothing. But in the wake of Plaxico and other recent events I think David Stern was under some pressure to do “something”. I think Gilbert kinda put his foot in his mouth with the comments he made in the locker room after the game in Philly by saying that David Stern was mean hey I guess he knows whats up now.
    But to suspend him like that don’t exactly help the cause as far as anyone is concerned and it seemed like Gil was gettin his game on the court back on track I hope everything turns out okay for him because he is one of the better players in the NBA and as their record shows the Wiz could really use him rite about now. This sucks for all parties involved. Is Caron Butler avaliable for Miami what about Jamison to Cleveland? Can you say lets get the rebuilding process underway?!.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    EVERYONE:
    No one would be ANGRY at Arenas’ suspension had OTHER PLAYERS BEEN TREATED THE SAME WAY when THEY had their run-in conflicts with guns.
    TELFAIR BROUGHT ONE ON AN AIRPLANE
    JACKSON SHOT ONE IN A CLUB
    Why were THEY not suspended? This is purely an image move, 100%, and it’s BS. Rules and standards mean nothing in the NBA, it’s all about King mother f’in David Stern.

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    here we go…America! the king country of OVERREACTION! and some good old hipocrasy too. the most gun friendly country in the world freaks out with a stupid joke by an imature dude.

  • OfficialE

    This is Stupid why suspend him? no big deal let him play! he didnt shoot annybody! lol

  • Peter

    p.s. I’m pretty sure Artest wasn’t collecting paychecks while he was sitting at home after the fight. Suspensions are usually without pay.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Pve it is not illegal in most states to have a gun loaded or not on you at work. the only reason(s) this is important is because he was in DC, and brought them onto NBA property.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Delonte was a different in that he didn’t bring his guns on NBA property.

  • http://www.twofistedpress.com Pve84

    I don’t think we can compare Delonte/multiple players busting caps in the air to Gil. That involved players personal lives OUTSIDE of the NBA and they were suspended as a result. Gilbert brought guns into an NBA arena. This challenges the integrity and sensibility of NBA staff because it took them so long to find out. That’s why I think the hammer is falling so hard.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Er, in fairness after reading the comments more thoroughly, someone has to explain to me why this is a ‘race’ issue. This is just Stern playing ungodly dictator and bending all the rules. Arenas needs to head to Europe.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    I hear you, eboy, but what would you have liked David Stern to do in this instance? Let the dude play despite the fact that he admitted to breaking NBA rules?

  • LA Huey

    Jukai, s-jax rang 5 shots in the air outside the club. i get your point though.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Of the other NBA players mentioned, none of them were in an NBA facility.

  • http://www.twofistedpress.com Pve84

    Maybe one could argue the double standard argument with Bassy bringing a gat on a plane, but in any case Telfair should have been suspended then and Gilbert definitely should be suspended now. Maybe the reasoning and the way the action is being carried out is suspect, but the end result is still correct. Gil can work out the unfairness of it all through the Union at a later date, but after bringing guns into an NBA arena, I’m surprised he even got a chance to play another game once he got found out.

  • nel-o

    happy birthday gilbert arenas!

  • Peter

    Jukai, not sure about Jackson but with Telfair I think they bought the fact that Telfair didn’t know the gun was in his bag…it wasn’t like he pulled it out on the plane as a joke. Also both were suspended for a few games no?

  • Alonzo “Hamburger” Jones

    Just out of curiosity, do any of you who are defending Gil work in an actual business environment or are you all just a bunch of knee jerk idiots rushing to the defense of an idiot?
    There is no place for a pistol, under any circumstances in a workplace unless your job description depends on it.
    If one of my co-workers pulled heat out in my office I, along with the offender, would expect them to be fired on the spot.
    There are laws in place for a reason folks, not just for show.
    Hops used horrible judgment in every aspect of this goofy ass episode.
    How is Stern to blame for his silly behavior?
    This isn’t racist, this is common sense.
    He should be counting his blessing that a small door is open for him to return at some point.

  • Jay

    Gilbert made this worse then it should be. If the government get involve, never ever make jokes about it. His reaction was a total embarrassment to the Wizards organization and the NBA. To me, it seemed like he was undermining the commish. What makes me upset is the fact that NBA players know the rules. Just think if Gilbert was an average Joe working a 9-5 job and brought a gun to work. Would he be fired? What about pulling it out on a co-worker? He would get the boot in a heart beat. Not give Gilbert special privileges because his is an athlete. This was his place of work and now he has to pay the consequences.

  • underdog

    I aggree with Allanp, this is just BS. If the Wizards will cut Gil someway, he’s going to sue them for sure. It would be a shame to see Gil go down like this. The NBA front office is just plain hypocrite.

  • Jahi

    Hopefully, Gil will learn from this experience. Pulling a gun on a teammate was stupid. If I came to work, and pulled a gun on a co-worker I’d be arrested and jailed. How would any of you feel if a co-worker pulled a gun on you? I’m no David Stern fan, but I respect the decision. Gilbert Arenas should be suspended for the remainder of the season.

    Every action has consequences, and there are too many young people in awe of Gil for him to act so stupidly. The time away from the game will make him a better decision maker. Period.

  • LA Huey

    current CBA says guns can’t be brought to NBA facilities. and like many have noted, Gil’s behavior since the story broke was basically forcing Stern to bring the hammer down. if it’s just pure basketball, i see many of your guys’ point. but from a business perspective what did you expect Stern to do? he has to protect the image of his product

  • TraceMc

    @nbk: scottie’s gun was found in his car, AND he also got a gun-licence;
    he just didn’t had a license for carrying it around in a car while sitting in a restaurant, that was his fault back in the days…
    in gilbert’s case he brought his gun into his workingplace, which is just surreal.
    there is a great read about this hole topic over at si.com in an interview with karl malone, really great stuff!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    No Ryne, Gil deserves to be gone (not sure for how long though, 20 games?), but Stern makes his bones on a selected basis when it comes to controversial topics……and you were right, this was on NBA property, so there’s an unprecedented position here. What would be next, dudes can bring their unchecked weapons to the bench, so they can keep it out of the way of “innocent locker room attendants”.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    So then how was Bassy different? Isnt bringing a loaded gun on a plane in a post 9/11 even worse? How was Jack different? Isnt busting your gun in public during a brawl at a strip club worse? This was a bad joke and nothing more. Its a heavy handed move meant to put Arenas in his place and temper public outcry. If Im Delonte, Id bring my guitar case to the bench next game and see what happens. Gilbert has all the ammo in the world to have this suspension reviewed.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    The integrity of the game is challenged with Stern’s wishy washy rules. I hope Arenas sues.

  • Young C

    Where exactly can I find Arenas making gun fingers before a game? I didnt hear about that

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Once again, a lot of you people (Alonzo “Hamburger” Jones) do not understand the outrage. We want consistency. Yes, it WAS on an NBA facility, but NBA players are held up to all sorts of morality clauses. How is the punishment for storing unloaded guns in an NBA locker (and bringing them out once for a joke) worse than driving with three LOADED guns in plain sight down a highway, or bringing in a LOADED gun on a plane, or SHOOTING THAT GUN outside a crowded nightclub?
    Why were these players not suspended indefinitely without pay?
    What really irks me is Stern couldn’t even wait for the investigation to finish. He caved in on the BS pressure and that really disgruntles me. What happened to the Stern who supported his players? Did he ever exist, or were we just tricked into believing it?

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    What’s funny to me is that Stern hasn’t talked to Gilbert. Wouldn’t it be ‘decent’ to at least talk to hear directly from player, instead of going off of reports?

  • karma

    Myles, I cant believe you’re even defending the guy. He is bringing a gun TO WORK, which is unprecedented in comparison to past players. Situations outside of work (i.e – Kobe’s rape trial, gun trials for other players, etc) were not on league property.

    I cant believe people asre even defending this moron, and he used to be one of my favs.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    What is Arenas going to be suing about? He violated the contract he signed, which can render it void.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Jukai: He’s clearly just a puppet.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    I know Stern is phony, but remember the response he got when he went to that barber shop last year and SLAM posted the video?
    Dude hides behind PR stuff like that. Pretending the dress code was something it wasn’t. Like Myles said, there is no precedent if we’re talking about guns. Stern went way beyond reason with this, and it’s because Gilbert didn’t hold his cap in his hands and beg massa to let him slide.
    It’s bogus, and the media will never examine this fully because MOST OF THEM WANTED GILBERT TO GET SUSPENDED, THEN FIRED. THEY HATE HIM AND HIS MONEY.
    This ain’t about the gun. The legal system will take care of the guns. The standard procedure is wait for a legal ruling. Stern jumped the gun because he was pissed at Arenas’ attitude. Period.

  • http://www.twofistedpress.com Pve84

    I’m not disagreeing with either of you. Stern’s pliable discipline is a matter of concern that affects the game–If he is going to be heavy-handed on gun issues, he needs to be equally heavy-handed full-time. However, one CAN NOT say that Gilbert didn’t do this to himself by storing guns in his locker and then bating Stern by making light of his situation publicly. Gilbert should not be playing right now or in the next few weeks. Without pay is tough, but a precedent has to be set so this doesn’t happen in the future. Yes, it sucks that it’s happening to Gil, but it has to happen to someone first to stop the chain of inequal punishment that we are all currently griping with.

  • tavoris

    “indefinitely” means “until this legal mess gets straightened out”. Stern HAD to do something harsh, as every big business needs not have a gun scandal. Especially one that has a current gambling & cheating scandal.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I, for one, didn’t by Stern’s bullsh*t on that video….just recognized how snake-charmerlike he can be.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Onestep
    The Klansman comment was for you, not Stern. I would never call Stern a Klanman. He’s way too advanced in the game for that analogy.

  • karma

    Oh yeah, I’m sure there is nothing more the media wants then taking some atheletes money! Give me a break, and spare me the crap.

    Arenas broke the rules, then continually made light of a serious situation. If you cant act professionally, even when you’re under investigation for breaking NBA rules, then you dont deserve to play, simply.

    And please, everyone needs to save the “is this racially charged??” discussion; I’m sick of people bringing race into everything. Even if he was indian, he still would have gotten suspended infedinetly for acting like an idiot.

  • tavoris

    ya’ll know that the Player’s Association will have appealed this before the week is out.

  • http://slamonline.com NUPE

    The biggest surprise to me is that Stern waited this long to suspend him. The fact that he took a gun to work is not is dispute. I would have suspended him with pay for that and then waited for the investigation to determine the ‘final’ penalty. The most impactful thing Stern said is that

    “it is clear that the actions of Mr. Arenas will ultimately result in a substantial suspension, and PERHAPS WORSE…”

    That opens the door that he is considering putting Arenas out of the league period and never playing again. If it is proven that Gil did in-fact take a gun to work and point it at and/or threaten a teammate with it, then I would not disagree over the decison to boot him from the league. Delonte’s issue is not nearly as bad, he just had concealled weapons and never took them to work or pointed a gun at anybody. Plus he hasn’t been acting like an ass about it either. Could Stern wait until after the final charges – yes, should he – I don’t know.

  • Peter

    “Stern jumped the gun because he was pissed at Arenas’ attitude. Period.”

    exactly…and your point? its not a “beg massa” situation, its a pull your head in and lay low situation…anyone with half a brain would know that. precedent aside, gil was not smart about how he handled this.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    how bout josh howard admitting to breaking the league drug policy on the regular…..or michael beasley and mario chalmers smoking pot at the rookie conference. how bout them not getting suspended. especially considering beasley hid in a bathroom. why weren’t they suspended indefinitely

  • karma

    Plus, he was suspended for his on going conduct.

    Do you guys read?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Also, don’t ignore the fact that the Wizards had to have know about these guns.
    Four guns, one of them a gold-plated Desert Eagle were being stored in a player’s locker. The same locker attendants go in and out of on a regular basis. You telling me nobody knew about the guns before this?
    Or how about the gambling allowed by team officials that led to this problem int he first place? The illegal gambling I might add.
    Myle, Eboy, Jukai, y’all understand my beef. I thought Arenas deserved to get suspended once everybody had followed the proper procedure. He admitted to bringing guns in and making a joke. I didn’t have a number in mind, but a suspension made sense.
    But, Stern couldn’t even wait for his “investigation” to conclude, or the investigation of federal officials to conclude. He basically said that because Arenas wasn’t acting right, he was going to suspend him for being unfit.
    Which, as I said, begs the question: HOW THE HELL IS DONALD STERLING “FIT” TO BE AN NBA OWNER!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    This whole idea that NBA property is the difference maker in these scenarios is the dumbest sh*t Ive heard yet. NBA players represent the league wherever they are and their conduct is held to a high standard wherever they are. If you get caught breaking the law anywhere, its a stain on the leagues reputation. By this ‘NBA property’ reasoning, the league is essentially saying, “we dont care what our players do in public, just in the arena.” Which we all know isnt true. This entire situation was blown out of control when an irresponsible media nad gossip hungry fans ran with the idea that two NBA players pulled guns on each other in the locker room. Once the truth came out, it was too late. Public opinion was already formed. Gil knew it was bullshit, didnt take it seriously enough for Stern and this is more about his bottom line and fragile ego than anything.

  • karma

    How is the drug policy comparative to bringing a firearm to work? One harms the individual, the other has the potential to turn into a serious situation where other people are harmed as well.

  • doubro33

    Allenp needs therapy. Stick a fork in Mr. Arenas, brah. All done, period.

  • jumpman3224

    Has anyone noticed that ever since this Arenas story broke, the headshot that ESPN uses in the top left or right of its screen has changed from a normal Arenas to an anger looking Arenas. They did the same thing with Tiger Woods.

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    are some of you serious? Gil got the ish that was coming to him. carrying a gun around with u is tragic enough whoever you are, but when you’re an nba player who is more than made up… get freakin real! i thought the same of west but at least he wasn’t flaunting that ish on NBA property. indefinitely sounds harsh but its just jargon to cover their own behinds. once it’s blown over in the media sphere, i.e. not just in coverage but when a sufficient period of time has passed the predominant portion of the public wont give a rats a$$ if it was reported he was allowed back then they will be lettin him come back most likely… although, Stern is a dangerous man and he does seem to try and seem eager to try remove any ‘gangster’ image the NBA possess, and my only fear is he tries to make a real example of Gil (he’s enough of a household name to do so and after events this summer Stern may think decisive action is a requirement) and ban him from the L for a severe duration or even permanently

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Peter
    Exactly why should Arenas lay low? And if he doesn’t, why is that any of Stern’s business?
    Arenas already went out of his way to release a statement about the incident and schedule a meeting with authorities to discuss what happened. He did this VOLUNTARILY. What more should he do? Cry? Beg for his job? Suck Stern’ d*ck?
    Seriously, these newfound rules about what ever “smart person” would do need to be explained to me because obviously I missed that memo?
    If Arenas was smart, he would have told the cops, the Wizards and Stern he wasn’t saying nothing and told them to prove something without his help. That was his first mistake, cooperating with any of these folks like they were looking out for his best interest.
    Dude manned up and admitted his mistake, and then he moved on. Guess that wasn’t contrite enough. Reminds me of what the media and the typical American was saying about Tiger Woods. And Mike Vick.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    And while this isnt an entirely racially charged situation, there is some race involved. When the story broke that two NBA players pulled their guns on each other in the locker room it was treated as the most damning evidence yet, that players are nothing but thugs and hoodlums masquerading as athletes. But again, once the truth came out, it didnt matter.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    This whole idea that NBA property is the difference maker in these scenarios is the dumbest sh*t Ive heard yet. NBA players represent the league wherever they are and their conduct is held to a high standard wherever they are. If you get caught breaking the law anywhere, its a stain on the leagues reputation. By this ‘NBA property’ reasoning, the league is essentially saying, “we dont care what our players do in public, just in the arena.” Which we all know isnt true. This entire situation was blown out of control when an irresponsible media nad gossip hungry fans ran with the idea that two NBA players pulled guns on each other in the locker room. Once the truth came out, it was too late. Public opinion was already formed. Gil knew it was bullsh*t, didnt take it seriously enough for Stern and this is more about his bottom line and fragile ego than anything.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    This whole idea that NBA property is the difference maker in these scenarios is the dumbest sh*t Ive heard yet. NBA players represent the league wherever they are and their conduct is held to a high standard wherever they are. If you get caught breaking the law anywhere, its a stain on the leagues reputation. By this ‘NBA property’ reasoning, the league is essentially saying, “we dont care what our players do in public, just in the arena.” Which we all know isnt true. This entire situation was blown out of control when an irresponsible media nad gossip hungry fans ran with the idea that two NBA players pulled guns on each other in the locker room. Once the truth came out, it was too late. Public opinion was already formed. Gil knew it was bull sh*t, didnt take it seriously enough for Stern and this is more about his bottom line and fragile ego than anything.

  • Garett

    I guess Stern really is mean.

  • OneStep

    Allenp
    It’s a shame that you’re not as “advanced”.

    For those with some intelligence check out Karl Malone’s response to it all on http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/01/05/karl.malone.arenas/index.html?eref=sihp. He pretty much says everything I’ve been trying to say.

  • Statik

    karma…so does carrying a firearm on a plane, down a highway, or in a parking lot…you don’t suspend one guy for these actions but you hit Gil with half the book and reserve the other half for later…double standard to save face with the media and harsh penalty in light of others not getting the same treatment

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    This whole idea that NBA property is the difference maker in these scenarios is the dumbest sh*t Ive heard yet. NBA players represent the league wherever they are and their conduct is held to a high standard wherever they are. If you get caught breaking the law anywhere, its a stain on the leagues reputation. By this ‘NBA property’ reasoning, the league is essentially saying, “We dont care what our players do in public, just in the arena.” Which we all know isnt true. This entire situation was blown out of control when an irresponsible media nad gossip hungry fans ran with the idea that two NBA players pulled guns on each other in the locker room. Once the truth came out, it was too late. Public opinion was already formed. Gil knew it was bs, didnt take it seriously enough for Stern and this is more about his bottom line and fragile ego than anything.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    One, I didn’t introduce race into this discussion. I responded to Onestep’s comment about the “hood” and arrogant pricks which clearly had racial overtones.
    Two, even if did introduce race I wouldn’t feel the need to apologize. Y’all compare the media reaction to this and the media reaction to Tom Brady’s bodyguards busting shots at the paparazzi and tell me you don’t see a difference. Y’all look at the way this has become a discussion of “gangsta” culture and then consider the fact that white Americans own more guns than ANYBODY, and tell me this ain’t about race.
    Take of your damn blinders and open your eyes. Race, like class, is involved in everything because this is freaking America. The country where the color of your skin and the money in your pocket once determined whether you could even vote.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    he had no ammunition. there was no threat to anyones health. the only thing he did was break league rules. which is the same as the drug policy comparison

  • http://slamonline.com NUPE

    I don’t think Sterling is ‘fit’ to be an owner, but Stern doesn’t have the authority to suspend an owner. He does have the authority to suspend a player though. I agree that due process should be provided and think Gils recent behaviour is the straw that made Stern act now. I’m sure the additonal people gambling etc. will face fines or suspensions as well. But how much worse does it get than taking a gun to work and pointing it at a teammate? This is not under dispute. Gils intent may be of question, not the act. And if there was any line where I think an immediate suspension would be justified, I would say Gil crossed it.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Stern’s steps for problem solving
    -Sweep it under the rug
    -If above fails, blow it up incomprehensibly

  • OneStep

    For those of you spouting off about how so many other offenders have not been punished to this extent there is one huge difference: none of there offences occurred on their employers property. I don’t know any employer who would tolerate this and I wouldn’t want to work for one who did.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    NUPE: I can think of several things worse, but myself, Allenp, Myles and others have all pointed them out numerous times.

  • http://slamonline.com NUPE

    @nbk Gil’s story is that the gun wasn’t loaded and that it was a joke. If your co-worker did the same thing to you would you be o.k. with that? How do we know the gun was not loaded at the time or that it was a joke. There have been cases where somebody thought a gun was unloaded and it wasn’t. I wouldn’t want my best friend pointing a gun at me let alone somebody I’m beefing with over a gambling debt.

  • Alonzo “Hamburger” Jones

    Who in there right minds would store his heat at work? This isn’t about what’s worse here, this is about an idiot setting a new precedence for all other idiots to shoot for (pun intended). How is it possible to defend this? Where I’m standing right now ( Chicago) cats hold heat for REAL REASONS, not to joke around! That’s the type of thing that gets folks killed, playing with guns! If he was so worried about his family why didn’t he sell them or put them in storage or BUY A STRONGBOX FOR STORAGE IN HIS HOME?? Excuses are, once again, monuments to nothing! I hate to see anybody go out like this but he was just stupid all around here. Does the punishment fit the crime? Let me ask you this… If you got pulled over for holding heat where would you be right now? You’re worried about what happened to a few other millionaires but what about the hundreds of people who are facing real charges over this right at this minute? I can’t have sympathy for someone who will never face any real repercussions for this type of action. At some point this wild west mentality that is very pervasive in our communities has to stop and shit like this does not help in any way. Where’s the outrage regarding all the senseless deaths that are occurring daily?

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    OneStep: Think bro. How many employers do you know who would keep a guy facing felony charges for bringing a gun on an airplane or carrying three firearms down a highway while off his meds?
    I mean, I’m ROOTING for Delonte, but his punishment does NOT make sense when compared to this.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    This whole idea that NBA property is the difference maker in these scenarios is the dumbest sh*t Ive heard yet. NBA players represent the league wherever they are and their conduct is held to a high standard wherever they are. If you get caught breaking the law anywhere, its a stain on the leagues reputation. By this ‘NBA property’ reasoning, the league is essentially saying, “we dont care what our players do in public, just in the arena.” Which we all know aint true. This entire situation was blown out of control when an irresponsible media nad gossip hungry fans ran with the idea that two NBA players pulled guns on each other in the locker room. Once the truth came out, it was too late. Public opinion was already formed. Gil knew it was bs, didnt take it seriously enough for Stern and this is more about his bottom line and fragile ego than anything.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    NOW DAVID STERN IS EATING MY COMMENTS! *shakes fist*

  • http://slamonline.com NUPE

    Jukai: besides shooting somebody, what’s worse than pointing a gun at somebody and threatening to? Also at work under the context of beef about a gambling debt?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    what i pointed out about beasley and chalmers were on NBA property. THe point is, stern has no rules to how he punishes people, he just has rules to what merits getting punished. I don’t think anyone here would be complaining had this been a fair and consistent punishment (comparatively speaking)

  • Peter

    “He did this VOLUNTARILY. What more should he do? Cry? Beg for his job? Suck Stern’ d*ck?”

    Not make countless jokes about it online and then make a joke about it on the court before an NBA GAME…its not about being smart, its about common sense. It’s not like he was speaking up taking a stand about something he believed in…he was just making fun of the situation. You can’t argue that his actions after the fact were defensible.

  • http://simplyincomenow.blogspot.com Rome

    Arenas met with law enforcement officials Monday and said the next day he feared Stern more than the authorities because the commissioner was “mean.”

    HAHAHAHAHA…so true…that Stern is freaking Emperor Palpatine!!! A nice old man, till you cross him…ZAP!!! Lightning!!! lol

  • bballplayerkurt

    ohh!! Gill should kept his blog instead of guns plus wasn’t the bullets name changed to the wizards because the owner at the time had a friend killed by a gun so Gill will definatley be shipped out of town but who would take him with that big contract, knee and the brain of an idiot. He should’nt take advice from Marbury,D.Miles,Ruben Patterson, J.R Rider,J.R Smith and all the other privilged who have screwed their careers.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Allenp Posted: Jan.6 at 5:10 pm
    -Y’all look at the way this has become a discussion of “gangsta” culture and then consider the fact that white Americans own more guns than ANYBODY, and tell me this ain’t about race.-
    Great freaking point

  • Tyquan

    Damn he got suspended on his birthday wow hey I’ve even had better birthdays that’s crazy. NBA:Where gettin shafted on your birthday happens!

  • Joe

    Gilbert is brilliant! He knew what he was doing when he was talking to the reporters after the Philly Game, and making those comments about stern. He made Stern look weak, panicky,hypocritical and MEAN all at once! HAHA

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NUPE
    Actually, the story about his pointing a gun at anybody has been squashed. The story is now much different and far more benign, if still an example of stupidity.
    There was no gun pointing or threats. There was Arenas embarassing his poorer and less powerful teammate who rightfully became angry. That’s it.
    Guns are not toys. They should not be played with. Then again, one of hte most popular videos on You Tube was a about a group of white Saints fan shooint up a television with a collection of weaponary that included an assault rifle and sniper rifle. So obviously, some people do use guns in jokes.
    Anyway, like I said, the way this incident, like any incident involving a young black person, has been used to discuss “gangsta culture” is more proof of the double standard in the world in general. Gun ownership has nothing to do with being a gangsta unless you have black skin. Otherwise it’s just exercising your second amendment rights.

  • LA Huey

    Allenp

    “Arenas already went out of his way to release a statement”
    You mean the one where he says “I now realize that there’s no such thing as joking around when it comes to guns” I’m sure you saw what he during pre-game the other night.

    “That was his first mistake”
    Nah. He had several more prior to that one but once the law was involved, he should have stfu and had his lawyer do all the talking for him. Even Delonte (with all his chemical imbalances) figured that out.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    David Stern should not be suspending people because of the way they handle situations….now he is not being paid, or being allowed to play….you think that he will shut up now? what does he have to lose

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Peter
    Actually, Arenas was complaining about the way the media initially covered the incident and got MAJOR facts wrong, yet has never issued a retraction. He was complaining about how he had been labeled and criticized by people who barely had an idea of what happened that day.
    I’m not saying I would have handled the situation like Arenas. I’m saying that when David Stern starts deciding that he can suspend people without pay because he doesn’t like their attitude, then there is a problem. There is particularly a problem when he’s suspending players but not suspending owners, coaches or whoever.
    If he didn’t like Arenas’ comments, the precedent is a fine, not a suspension. Stern has apparently watched how the NFL operates and decided he likes the idea of preemptive suspensions based on his gut feelings.
    And I believe that’s crap.

  • Joe

    I really hope Arenas gets voted in as a starter in the ALL-STAR Game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!………….
    WWSD???? what would stern do, if the fans wanted to see Gilbert in the All-Star Game????…………..
    I really really really really really want to see Gilbert and Iverson voted in as the starting backcourt for the ASG.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    if your gonna suspend a player, suspend them for a reason….like breaking the rules. This is like the NBA fining Brandon Jennings because he tweeted about finally getting back to .500 less then 45 minutes after their game ended. David Stern is once again sending a screwed up message to the rest of the league. The constitution does not apply to the NBA – atleast say that so nobody gets confused

  • http://nike.jp/basketball/bg/home.html asmaticasiatic2

    Gil should he’d to Europe and get some burn till he can come back to the league……

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    My problem is that Stern wants to have it both ways. In his release, he says he wanted to wait for the conclusion of law enforcement’s investigtion, then he says he changed his mind becusae of Gilbert’s actions. So bascially, this is David Stern having a hissy fit.

  • OneStep

    Allenp
    You are one angry man. I don’t doubt that race still plays a huge part in American life and I bow to your greater knowledge in that regard. I sense a rather large chip on your shoulder though. It is ironic that you also view the world through “colour” spectacles. Many sections of the media have alluded to the young black multi-millionaire side of the story which I paraphrased, albeit rather flippantly. Yet you seized on this one aspect of what I wrote and leapt to a judgement of my colour. Tut tut.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’m surprised by the uproar. Gil is being suspended for stupidity and deservedly so. The NBA can’t and shouldn’t tolerate its players making fun of such serious issues. He’s being suspended for the way he acted and his tweets. If he had kept his mouth shut or just said outright that he made a mistake, he’d still be playing while waiting for his hearing. This has nothing to do with race. If D-West would have said in interviews that he has every right to tool up while riding his bike, he would have been suspended too. I just can’t defend Gil on this one considering the way he acted after the incident became public.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    funny thought, Joe. and thanks for the recap of the arguments we have here, Allenp @ 5:36pm. i was getting lost for a second as to what’s being discussed here, since i think everyone’s in agreement that Gil should be suspended.
    personally i think he laid down this suspension because this happened in an NBA arena and he had to protect the image of the NBA product as a whole. bassy, jax, and delonte’s actions are way more serious than what arenas did, but they did them technically outside Stern’s juristiction. Jukai is right that no employer would really keep employees who acted like the 3 above mentioned gentlemens, but they didn’t do it with the NBA label on, so stern turned a blind eye to them and basically said “these are rogue individuals”. i’m not saying what stern did is right, but i can understand.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Sebastian Telfair incident is far more serious then this one. How many of you even heard about it?

  • OneStep

    Jukai
    Fair point, well made.

  • LA Huey

    I agree that NBA players are unfairly held to a higher standard by the mainstream than other atheletes. Bench clearing brawls in baseball/hockey are viewed “as part of the game” (whatever that BS means) while a fight in an NBA game means its no longer safe to go to an NBA arena. And the Cincy Bengals rap sheet this decade (I won’t even get started on the whole of the NFL) is as big as the entire Association. Knowing this, NBA players need to hold each other accountable and look out for each other.

  • Tyquan

    But whats more priceless is the pre game in Philly were he appeared to have made a joke out of the situation by pointing his fingers up in the air as if they were guns. Just because Arenas comes off as being quirky doesn’t mean that he is a lunatic this is a case of a very bad joke gone wrong. Or as Dave Chappelle used to stress “When keepin it real goes wrong.” And I agree with most of the comments in that of David Stern being a bit of a hypocrite because I wonder if he even talked to Gilbert Arenas before he suspended him.

  • jay

    OneStep, just one question, what aspect did you seize on to when you wrote “you can take the thugs out the hood…”comment? please dont come in here with that reverse psychology junk.

  • http://www.another48minutes.com Gerard Himself

    I know it won’t be smart, but I hope SLAM would take the Artest approach with a Gilbert cover in the near future.
    Also: not sayin SLAM isn’t behind Arenas, but the bashing is unbelievable. Messageboards, ESPN, Yahoo!, etc. etc.

  • riggs

    smh @ all the idiots who are misconstruing allens rant. he’s talking about stern being selective towards certain situations if it accommodates him. do you think that if delonte west had been tweeting and joking around that he wouldnt have been treated the same way?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Onestep
    You’re the one who praised the humbling of an arrogant, rich prick who couldn’t seem to divorce himself from the “hood.”
    Here’s the problem, Arenas has never been hood. He grew up poor, but he’s never been hood. There is a difference.
    Besides, calling random strangers names and reveling in their misfortune seems to more evidence of anger than my righteous indignation at Sterns capricious manner when it comes to suspensions.
    What’s funny is that no matter how often I post reasonable, calm comments on this website, somebody will immediately assume I have a “chip on my shoulder” when I disagree with them on matters regarding race. They will accuse me of being caught up on color.
    That shows a shocking and alarming lack of awareness about the world. It’s pretty much useless to argue with someone who sees things like that because obviously they live on an entirely different planet.
    Which is of course a nice privilege.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Telfair tried to get on a team chartered flight with a LOADED pistol. – please tell me how this is worse?

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    Gil is the type of dude to try and make light of a bad situation he’s guitly of being childish and having no filter. He was never a danger to anyone. I can’t think of anyone who means less harm than gilbert. While I don’t agree with everyone on the stephen jackson point , I agree that the lack of consistent rules is a real problem. Jax fired his gun after someone backed into him with his car with the intent to harm him. If someone tried to run you over and you had a gun how many can say they would fire shots into the air rather than dudes chest? Gilbert deserves roughtly a ten game suspension and possibly some community service on behalf of gun victims. Anyone who thinks stern reacted in anything other knee jerk fashion because of media pressure needs to head over the fox news message boards. No one with any brains thinks Gil shouldn’t be suspended but Stern definitely f*cked up the message in the way he handled it.

  • http://www.http://courtsidebasketball.blogspot.com/ stu

    oh, and last night when gil ‘shot down’ the team after the huddle in a cavs/suns-esque pre-game display.. that wouldn’t have had anything to do with this either. d u m b.

  • http://www.http://courtsidebasketball.blogspot.com/ stu

    @nbk – but bassy forgot it was there! i think that was the statement at the time? c’mon , we’ve all been there! “sir, is this your gun? ohh yeah.. forgot about that!”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Exactly Bryan.
    Why mofos continue to parrot that tired meme that Gilbert was threatening a teammate with a gun is beyond me?
    Why the pretend that bringing unloaded guns to the Verizon Center is different from catching a team plane with a gun is beyond me?
    Why y’all pretend that you don’t realize that Stern CAVED to ridiculous media outrage is sad. If you think his caving is cool, then that’s fine, but let’s not pretend that’s not what happened.

  • TyMo

    About time someone did something about that clown. He wants to act like a little kid? Fine. Daddy just took away his allowance and put him in timeout. Please get him away from the Wizards so they can start building a real team.

  • Jay

    I really can’t believe what some of you are saying? My god. What has this world become? This was the man’s work. This is his job not a hobby. He gets paid to do this. David Stern is this boss. Forget the basketball side of this and think about the business side. How would you feel if someone walked into your job with a gun? You don’t know if it’s loaded or not. What if your co-worker pointed this gun at you because you asked for some money that you owed? In the real world, your behind would be out of a job in a second probably escort by security or and police. David Stern did something any supervisor, boss, manager, CEO, president would do to his employees.

  • KHALID SALAAM

    Lets keep it real. Arenas should be banned from the NBA for life. Yep, I said it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    People i work with have guns on them 24/7 – same with a number of people i hang out with – I don’t mind at all. In a lot of situations you feel somewhat safer – And that pointed a gun story is FALSE – JAY don’t be as ignorant as the news outlets want you to be.

  • OneStep

    jay
    I’ll dumb it down next time. Maybe I’ll use some cartoons. One question back though. Is he behaving like a thug? Where I’m from that’s exactly how we’d describe any person of any race, creed or sex who takes weapons into work. But hey, I’ve had the advantage of a middle-class upbringing and a good education so maybe I’m not best-placed to understand this version of normality. I do know one thing though, the NBA would benefit hugely from having a non-white Commissioner. Given the colour-bias of the playing staff it’s about time that was reflected in the upper-echelons of the league. Only then can we start to allay the suspicions of race playing a part in any decisions.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jay
    On some jobs you can carry a weapon. All jobs do not have a rules prohibiting bringing a gun to work. To assume that fact is wrong.
    Nobody has disagreed with a suspension, we have disagreed with the timing of the suspsension, the justification given for that timing, and the severiy of the suspension.
    It seems that folks can’t seem to grasp these nuances.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    My point is, this is not the same as an everyday situation – Stop trying to compare it as such

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If Stern had said “I’m suspending Gilbert Arenas because he has admitted to bringing weapons into the Verizon Center in violation of league rules. He is suspended for XX games.” I would be cool.
    I’m not with an indefinite suspension, I’m not cool with players being suspended for their attitudes.
    I also want confirmation on whether the Wizards were unaware of these guns. Because I think they knew about them.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    Allenp for the record I agree with 90% of what you say regarding race. Stern himself may not be racist but I think he caters to racists with a lot of his reactions. If this was Brad Miller and he had a crossbow or a hunting rifle in his locker at the united center I doubt we would have 100+ comments on it. Black people with guns are viewed in a completely different light than white people with guns point blank. And most of the people who complain about these things are white people who think that nba and nfl players are spoiled rich gangsters who make millions while they bust theirs for 40k a year. And for all the people with the “at my job we couldn’t…” arguments you’re out of line. There are certain aspects of every life that are comparable and many more that are not. I’m quite sure you don’t work at an arena with your own personal locker. Not at all saying he should have been allowed to store the guns there but it can be explained a lapse in judgement and it in no WAY makes him hood or a thug. It makes him foolish, period. If he was brandishing the guns at anyone or anything of that nature I could understand the outrage all he did was store them in the wrong place and use them in a ridiculous joke.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    “Lets keep it real. Arenas should be banned from the NBA for life. Yep, I said it.” That is the dumbest sh*t Ive heard yet.

  • jay

    hmmm Gilbert is “currently not FIT to take court”, so are we talking physically, mentally or emotionally fit? & just how “fit” is Delonte exactly??

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Khalid
    I disagree vehemently. The violation that Arenas has admitted to is storing unloaded weapons in his locker and then placing those unloaded weapons in front of teammates locker.
    Exactly what about that justifies a lifetime ban? Nothing in my opinion. Suspension, yes. Ban, no.
    Onestep
    Just because a person of color is in an position of power doesn’t mean racism disappears, or that racism doesn’t pay a role in their decisions. Have you heard of Clarence Thomas? Or the paper bag test?

  • Jay

    Yeah, some jobs allow you to carry a weapon but some jobs don’t. If it’s in the guidelines, you follow them.

  • Doubro33

    Okay. Allenp, you have some cognition issues. Stick a fork in Arenas, brah. All done….period. Same should occur in Cleveland with D. West. Issues are to severe. The NBA shouldn’t be a platform for anti-social issues and players.

  • OneStep

    Allenp
    I take your point. We are all different and I respect your point of view. I have a glass half-full view of the world which leaves me with a smile on my face most of the time and every now and again a sense of massive disappointment such as this occasion with Arenas. I have a sneaking suspicion that you hedge towards the glass half-empty approach which is perhaps why people view your comments the way they do. Either way, I’ve enjoyed our literary ping-pong today. When it comes down to it we both want people to be treated fairly. I think he has been and you don’t. Vive le difference!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ooh, Slam writers are going to be debating.

  • KHALID SALAAM

    This apologist nonsense currently being spewed on this site really bothers me. All of you know about me and the sort of things i write about. And i’m, saying straight up and down Arenas violated. Its like any other job. You do not bring weapons to work. Especially unregistered ones. I don’t give a crap if it was loaded or not. And then to flash them to another co-worker in the context of a bet? I mean c’mon man, this is not a game. He has to go. I can’t believe you guys are even disagreeing with me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    The idea that this situation is different from any other because he had the guns in an arena is laughably ridiculous. Are you people honestly implying that in a post 9/11 world-a world where some just tried to blow up another plane-loaded guns on a plane are to be taken less seriously than unloaded guns in a locker room? Thats not apologist nonsense. Its asking for consistency and precedent.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    The message that the NBA is essentially sending to its fans is “We dont care if our players walk throughh airports with you carrying loaded guns, or speed through the streets with multiple weapons while theyre on medication, or shoot them at you in a strip club parking lot. We just care if theyre in the arena.” Why? Cause SOMEONE MIGHT GET HURT?

  • David

    Terrifically irresponsible to even own guns, let alone take them to your workplace. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Stern’s response. Kind of surprised it didn’t happen as soon as it was clear that there was some truth to the initial reports. I mean, the team renamed itself because ‘Bullets’ was too socially irresponsible – that should have been a good hint that you don’t bring a gun to work. Anyone in any other profession would immediately be fired, right?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    This situation is largely due to the erroneous initial report that two players pulled guns on each other in the locker room. The public outcry was overblown and immediate. Once the truth came out it didnt matter and excuses were made to justify the outcry. Stern had to address it and the finger guns gave him an excuse. Gilbert did something dumb by bringing th guns, but I agree with AllenP that the team knew. More importantly I dont think Gil and the Wiz are so dumb as to openly mock Stern, which he certainly took the finger guns as.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    Black athletes get a bad rap in sports.Pacman Jones was f*ked with and wtf Plaxico Burres accidently shoots himself and gets 3 years and Vick’s punishment was too harsh as well it is just that the NFL commisioner did not want to deal with those humanitarian animal lovers or w.e. they are. Why was Iverson not aloud to release a rap album? Dress Code was clearly racist. It makes me sick.

  • davidR

    myles, bassy’s situation is MUCH worse than gilbert’s, but that was 2006. sure, the two issues are related but we can’t change the decision made in the past. consistency would be nice, but this situation is now and stern has to take a stand to show how he’ll handle future situations.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Khalid
    Your choice of the word “flash” implies that Arenas brandished his weapon at a teammate. This is not what Arenas has admitted to doing, and since his admission has been taken as he most damning evidence against him, let’s work from that.
    Arenas brought several guns to work and stored them there. This is a violation of the rules.
    Why is it worth a lifetime ban?
    PEDs are a violation, they get a suspension.
    Drug use is a violation, it gets a suspension.
    Being convicted of a crime is a violation, it gets a suspension.
    Explain why Arenas should be given a lifetime ban. What is the precedent, what is your reasoning?
    You are advocating for the most serious punishment, the death penalty of the NBA, and all you’ve done is repeat some of the facts about what happened. Why does he deserve a lifetime ban?
    Were his actions worse than Michael Jordan’s? Ron Artest’s?

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    Even suspending him until the investigation was complete would be more reasonable than this. If at the end of it we find he was guilty of criminal behavior or anything else then you go from there. But this is equivalent to a guy copping a plea with a prosecuter and judge overruling the deal at the last minute. He admitted he was wrong, he made a dumb joke after the fact because he really doesn’t understand that somethings can’t be made light of. What else can you expect him to do?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    My bad, not Mike, meant to write “Latrell Sprewell.’
    Don’t know how I made that mistake.

  • davidR

    of course gilbert should be suspended. who knows how long. but, he’s being suspended for some bullsh!t reason. why is he being suspended for being “unfit” to play, while delonte is deemed “fit?”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    LOL the federal investigation wasn’t done and this indefinate suspension blows its way to harsh. Gilbert doesn’t even have a history of getting into trouble either. I could understand if someone like A.I. did this and he gave him this (although it would be more harsh) but this is bs.

  • KHALID SALAAM

    Yeah Myles, because someone might get hurt. I ask anyone who opposes me to think seriously about this. Locker rooms are filled to the brim with people. SO what the guns was empty, there could have been one in the chamber he didn’t know about. Its unacceptable, period.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    All you folks advocating Stern take a “tough stance” are crazy.
    You are advocating for preemptive, indefinite punishment for allegedly breaking the rules…
    Do you understand what that means in the context of the NBA and the larger world? I don’t think y’all really do.
    As Myles so eloquently noted and I said earlier, this entire response from the public is based on the NUMEROUS ERRONEOUS REPORTS about what happened in that locker room. Some of y’all still think Arenas and Javaris almost had a gun battle.
    And the media has yet to admit it made a mistake, has yet to issue a retraction or apology. Nothing. Peter Vescey will continue to write whatever the hell he wants with no reprecussions. And nobody thinks that’s worthy of discussion.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    No one wouldve gotten hurt by Bassys gun? Jackson actually fired his! Should they be suspended for life? What about Delonte?

  • KHALID SALAAM

    Also, this situation is not racial. Stop playing the race card. You guys are killing me right now.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    No one wouldve gotten hurt by Bassys gun?

  • bd1

    “It was a joke”? This ain’t 8th grade anymore, Gil. Oh yeah, and why hasn’t Delonte been suspended? He was carrying like 4-5 LOADED guns, including a goddamn SHOTGUN.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Khalid
    So you’re ok with handing down extreme punishment for potential actions?
    So you support preemptive strikes?
    Favor the Patriot Act?
    You favor laws and rules that allow us to punish people for the possible outcomes of their actions no matter how unlikely those outcomes might be?
    That’s what you’re saying. Arenas could have hurt somebody, so he should be banned from the NBA for life?
    That’s ridiculous.
    Latrell Sprewell freaking chocked his coach until he damn near passed out!

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Khalid: You’re 100% right. You really are. Gilbert Arenas should be punished severely.
    But so should ever other athlete who has broken laws involving guns.
    If stars with far, far worse rap sheets (Bassy, S-Jax, West) get lesser punishments, why is Arenas being made the example?
    Don’t give me no ‘this happened on an NBA owned building’ BS. Stern doesn’t care about this. Stern is angry Arenas is turning this into a media spectacle and he’s flexing his ludicrous dictatorial powers to punish a first time offender. It all stinks.
    If Arenas is banned for life, so should every other previously mentioned player involved in a gun altercation.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    @Khalid: Yeah it is. If Steve Nash were to do this would he get the same punishment?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    People tend to forget that athletes are employees too. Any employment contract can be voided for misconduct. Bringing a gun (loaded or not) to a workplace could be considered as a serious violation of his contract. Gil is effing up the product that the NBA is trying to sell right now and he has to fall back for a while. Yeah, it’s a business and Stern made a business decision. Gil thought that since he had superstar status and a lenghty contract he could make a mockery of the incident. If the roles were reversed, you think that Crittenton would be talking ish? Tough luck, Gil. It’s nobody’s fault but your own. It’s funny to me that he’s now making the apology statement and realizing that he shouldn’t have attempted to make light of the situation.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Allenp: I’ve been agreeing with you so far, dude, but Arenas has admitted he had guns on the premises and took them out for a joke which Javaris took as intimidation. I mean, there’s not much else to wait for.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Khalid
    The very term “race card” is bogus.
    It ain’t a freaking card. It’s a logical argument that Davi Stern responded to a media firestorm stoked by this countries biases regarding young black milionaires and their backgrounds.
    While the ubiquitious references to “gangsta culture?”
    Why the comments about the “hood?”
    That has nothig to do with race?
    This ain’t just jump out of the sky, this is real life. People believe that Arenas and Javaris damn near had a gunfight in the lockeroom based on the writings of PETER EFFING VESCEY because that’s what they suspect about this black thugs anyway.
    There was no proof, yet every media outlet in the country ran with this account of the incident based on anonymous sources.
    And you talking about the race card? WTH

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nima Zarrabi

    When someone breaks you off $100 million guaranteed, the game completely changes. Why would you listen to anyone, after you became a self-made $100 million dollar man? This is where the problem may rest. Gilbert has not had an agent representing his business interests for several years. Outside of a PR rep, I’m not sure if he has anyone helping him manage his career. I’m not saying that every NBA player needs yes-men around them. But they do need trusted professionals they can count on during any type of crisis. At the very least, a good agent or attorney would help you understand the concept of “no comment”. Why on earth is Gil discussing a potential crime or future investigation,in the media? Why is he posting unreadable twitter messages? This is crisis management 101: shut your mouth, speak only to your attorney until the incident in question is resolved. It’s really that simple. But when you fail to listen to anyone other than yourself and believe that you can talk your way out of anything, you too, can become Gilbert Arenas. His act has grown old, to say the least.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Pardeep: Yes, yes Steve Nash would… that’s edging into a little crazy, dude.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    I agree. Then why did Stern refer to the “investigation” on two occasions in his press release and say that Arenas would be suspended until the NBA’s investigation concluded. As I said earlier, what the hell are they still investigating?
    Matter of fact, do we even trust the NBA to conduct an investigation that will not completely absolve the League of all responsibility and protect it’s owners.
    Hell, where was the “investigation” into Donald Sterling by the NBA?

  • davidR

    suspended indefinitely just means he’s suspended until further notice, right? what if the official ruling is 10-20 games? him being suspended versus bassy jackson and west not being suspended doesn’t bother me as much as him being suspended because of his on-going conduct making him “unfit” to play

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Pardeep: of course it would be. But Nash knows better than to tweet that stupid ish and point gun fingers at teammates with a gun case pending. This is not about race, it’s about stupidity. The facts didn’t change today. What triggered the decision is that Stern realized that Gil was not taking this issue seriously at all and was killing basically everything that the NBA is trying to do to get away from its unjustified thug image. I think it’s fair.

  • KHALID SALAAM

    @ AllenP: The patriot act? really? wow that is indeed a reach.

    @ Jukai: You don’t what Stern cares about. Neither do I. My point is simple, a gun in an nba arena is indeed the final frontier. There has to be some accountability for this action. There are bad decisions, terrible decisions and theres this. The other things you mentioned may or may fall into those categories but guns in an public arena is unacceptable. Again, i cannot believe that you guys are disagreeing with me.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Allenp: Sterling is an owner. Bad money for Stern to go after Sterling. Too rich and powerful.
    That was all a bunch of BS media statements Stern made so that it doesn’t seem like Stern is ‘rushing judgement’ to the untrained eye.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    For all y’all folks claiming that “anybody” would get fired for brining a gun to work…
    An aide of Senator James Webb attempted to bring a loaded pistol into the Senate chambers. Even got arrested. All charges against him were dropped and he’s still working for the Senator.
    Here’s the link…
    http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Jim_Webb#Top_aide_charged_with_trying_to_carry_loaded_pistol_into_Senate_building

  • KHALID SALAAM

    Its not racial. Its real life.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I cant believe you wont acknowledge the difference between a lockerrom and an aiport/airplane.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    as an interlude, i’m hoping JVG/mark Jax will do the broadcast tonight on the LAL/LAC game. i bet they are going discuss this for about half the game (especially if it’s a blowout that i’m suspecting). i’m also very curious to see what the reactions are from the players/staff around the league.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    KHALID: an airport and outside a nightclub and a highway are all public areas. You seem to be glossing over Stern’s shifty rulings to prove a point that, while albeit is good, is not what is aggravating me. It’s that this is all a BS business decision. Stern doesn’t care. He wants to deflect the public pressure, and make sure those in the limelight (Arenas) gets taken down while the others (people who knew Arenas had guns in his locker) remain scotch free so that it doesn’t look bigger than it is.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Khalid
    Asking for a lifetime ban for something that didn’t involve violence or gambling is a reach.
    Justifying said lifetime ban by saying “sombody could have gotten hurt” is a reach.
    The justification for preemptive strikes is that we as a country reserve the right to punish anybody we think might do something dangerous to us.
    The Patriot Act allowed the government to ignore certain civil liberties under the auspices of protecting us from potential threats to our safety.
    If you support the idea that people should be punished for what “might” happen, despite the fact that this potential outcome is far-fetched, it’s not a reach at all to connect the dots to those two policies.
    It’s not about reaching, it’s about looking at the underlying logic.

  • andrew

    Lets face it the wizards front office knew everything and is probably behind 90% of the BS rumours. Once they knew they couldn’t trade him they played the guns card to void his deal. I hope gil signs on with another team once this is over and puts a target on the wizards and drops 90 on them like the hibachi days in overdive.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And racial is real life in my world.
    And when the link I posted clears checks that out. And aide to a Senator attempts to bring a loaded handgun on to the Senate floor and is allowed not only to escape prosecution but still works for the Senator.
    But in real life bringinga gun to work always means you get fired.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Not only did Bassy have a gun on a plane. Everyone know HES HAD SOMEONE SHOT BEFORE! Banned for life?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I don’t understand what’s wrong about the NBA commissioner making a business decision. It would be one thing if Arenas had kept his mouth shut or straight apologized for the whole thing. He didn’t. Seriously, how much longer could the NBA have tolerated his shenanigans? He effing had it coming.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’m usually wih Allen on these matters but I don’t see the racial angle at all. Replace Arenas with Mike Miller and we’d be looking at the exact same suspension. If anything, they gave Gil a longer leash because he’s a superstar. He’s been acting reckless for days.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    Allenp: You need to make a distinction with Stern’s business decision and the reaction of events surrounding the decision. Stern made a business decision, to attack Arenas immediately so the NBA looks better in the publics eye. He would have done the same to JJ Reddick or Dirk Nowitzki.
    In reality though, many rich white guys get away with this all the time, and in reality, when Arenas gets caught with guns, people like OneStep come out and say Arenas can’t escape the hood when ARENAS NEVER GREW UP IN THE HOOD.
    THAT’S the racism of the situation.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Z
    Arenas did apologize. Right after he cooperated with authorities. Did you read his long apology?
    Business decision my buttocks. Business decisions can be unjust and still be good business decisions.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    the reason I’m telling you to make the distinction, Allen, is that some people seem to be getting confused.

  • tavoris

    Allenp-I feel ur pain-wholeheartedly. However, “indefinite” doesn’t mean “lifetime”. Stern is a prick, but he’s also a very shrews attorney.
    The suspension will get a timeline once the authorities decide if they are gonna press charges. My guess is that they probably won’t (since he turned the guns in voluntarily &has cooperated 100%). Federal authorities only really pursue ‘ish when they can make a statement. Arenas isn’t giving them any ammo (no pun intended) to make such a statement.

  • tavoris

    shrewd

  • KHALID SALAAM

    I’m done talking about this for tonight. I’m sure it will be a big topic tomorrow, i may or may not chime in. But i am steadfast in my opinion about this. what arenas did was a foolish, selfish, ignorant and dangerous thing. It is almost beyond belief really. But its not a racial issue and to describe as such is careless and disrespectful to all of the people who have sacrificed many things in the fight for equality….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nima Zarrabi

    Well said, Khalid.

  • http://dyalekt.blogspot.com d.Y.

    I don’t know about a lifetime ban, but I feel Khalid. This case is different because it happened on NBA property. Not A locker room, Stern’s locker room. In his house. In the place his paying customers pay to be at. If anything goes down in his house, he is THE man responsible. He has no control over the rest of the world. Don’t get mad a Stern. This is the only decision he could have made. I’m amazed it didn’t happen immediately. There’s an investigation because there have been conflicting reports. Get mad at the media if you want. Those are the ones making it a racial issue. Folks pop up on both sides when a young Black man has a gun on the news.

  • MikeC.

    I didn’t read every post, so
    this might have been said.
    Delonte wasn’t on league property
    or at a league event. If he is
    convicted of a crime, he will be
    suspended. Telfair was sent away
    from the Celtics and pretty much
    cut. I’m not sure if Jax was
    convicted of anything. If not
    then that’s why he didn’t get
    suspended. Arenas admitted to
    having the guns in his locker.
    Violation of the Collective
    Bargaining Agreement and cause
    to void his contract. If those
    guns weren’t properly registered
    then there may be jail time too.
    The suspension is legit, and if
    it’s not, the union will go to
    bat for Gil. This is not a race
    issue. This is a moron issue.

  • The D Train

    Race is a part of it, but it’s entangled with the public’s general perception and the media’s handling of this “story”. Seriously, how often do you see NBA-related news on the front page of CNN.com? Stern did not react this way because Gil is black. Stern reacted this way because it has become a major non-story on major networks TV shows and websites. The perception of the NBA as being “too black” has been around since the 60′s. African-American culture is more accepted these days by the younger generation (like the majority of people that read SLAM), but that’s not who this story and the negative consequences (as they relate to the league’s public standing)effect. It’s the corporate sponsors and stuffy rich folk that Stern has to impress. We all are down with the NBA and all the lucky cats who play in the league. We love them for the entertainment they bring to our lives. So the Stern-bot doesnt need to worry about us. We’re solid. The overall public perception of the league, especially when negative headlines hit, is his concern. So if the wide-scope view of the public is of the NBA being inhabited by thugs that carry guns and run into the stands, well then Stern has a serious problem promoting and expanding his league.

  • ktokyo

    I betcha the “ongoing conduct” is referring to his dumbass twittering after.

  • Sassy

    Wow i am amazed how many people on here have defended Gilbert’s horrible judgement and irresponsible actions. Do you people realize he brought 3 GUNS into the arena, who cares if they were loaded or not he still brought 3 GUNS into his workplace. You cannot tell me that if any one of you brought a firearm to your job loaded or unloaded you wouldn’t be fired immediately. He broke the law because the firearms are not registered in D.C they are only registered in Virginia. What he did was irrational and STUPID he cause his own demise. He deserves what David Stern gave him, what if the guns had been loaded not only could he have injured himself and his teammate totally ending both of their careers but he could have killed himself and his teammate, now i know the brother is talented but I have yet to hear of a player ballin’ from the grave.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    i think D Train summed up the decision pretty well.

  • Sassy

    By the way this is not a race issue because stupidity comes in all different colors and sizes. Stop making those stupid claims, if you think this has anything to do with race you are just a irrational and mentally unstable as Gilbert Arena’s moronic self.

  • The D Train

    for the record: I agree with a suspension until this mess is sorted out. Bringing a gun to work is never a good idea. I do not agree with a life-time ban or even a year suspension. Spree choked the sh1t out of his coach and got one year. Ron-Ron attacked fans in the stands and got a year. What Gil did was stupid, for sure, but not worthy of more than what those two chaps got. It would be very easy for Stern to say that going forward any guns on NBA property will result in a long-term suspension.

  • tip of texas

    i dont think anyone would get suspended/fired from work for taking a gun on an airplane or riding with a gun. in this case if you take a gun to your workplace you SHOULD get suspended/fired. the lack of common sense in this site is Arenas. oh and wtf has this to do with race?

  • thegfunk

    I do not believe a life time band can be justified. I am not very acquited with the american criminal justice system but I have taken note with past events that nba players are somewhat “protected” For instance what ron did or oneal at the palice, they got fined and suspended for it right? In britain if a normal citizen assaults someone they can get prison time for it instantly depedning on provacation, circumstances and so on.

  • Rachel

    I hate that this suspension is based on “ongoing conduct”. I could see him being suspended for guns, but being suspended for jokes on Twitter? It’s not the NBA’s job to judge whether that’s funny or not.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Damn, Darth Stern just turned Arenas into the mother of all cautionary tales. Granted a suspension was going to happen and was called for. Guns at the workplace (loaded or not) is not acceptable as most here concede, and i for one was expecting him to get at least a 25 game suspension. But that statement by the Nba Emperor has very nasty hints in it at the end. “Not fit to take an Nba court”? REALLY? “Ultimately result in a substantial suspension PERHAPS WORSE, pending an investigation”?? To put it in words i regularly read here, that’s some bullshit, right there. So a bipolar, by some accounts depressive guy toting multiple loaded guns around on his Bike(Tri-Bike) is “fit” to take an Nba court? I agree with AllenP in some of his arguments regarding the heavyhandedness of this. Arenas should know the Nba is monitoring Tweets of their players (they even made an official statement regarding that) so his reactions to the allegations facing him were just adding fuel to the fire of his demise. Feel sorry for losing the talent that he is and the loss of his income(u know the contract’s next) but you brought a lot of this on yourself, Gilbert0.

  • http://slamonline.com deshawn

    guys,fairly well educated person viewing this whole thing from the distance of germany(and yeah,i´m aware of our history)-maybe i have the advantage of “judging” this from a more neutral perspective,free from some of the cultural realities many of you are experiencing over in the us.i´m very fond of the us btw and have no personal vendettas against any of the involved.
    to the point.
    most has already been discussed sufficiently-some things we can all agree on:
    stupid judgement,BAD joke,stupid way to go about handling this(twitter messages,etc.)some sort of punishment(suspension)inevitable,blah blah blah..
    but seriously:the dominant argument being the workplace issue??i mean it may be against the rules and all(which i didnt know)-had somebody asked me if i thought any nba players had guns(unloaded or otherwise)in their lockers or their cars in the player parking-lots(is that workspace too?)i would have certainly guessed so.no shock there.(not meant as a diss towards “gangsta athletes”-would have suspected that for the brad millers of the world as well)
    and about the “somebody could have gotten hurt”comment-by an unloaded gun?how exactly?being hit in the head with it?yeah,i guess that hurts..
    and quickly to that mailman-piece:i´ll probably never get it-the one and only reason i could see for somebody feeling the need to justifiably carry a gun would obviously be for his own protection(or that of his family)-and that is supposedly(in mailman logic)the wrong reason to carry one,since it doesn´t provide that(which i agree with)??then WHY CARRY ONE IN THE 1ST PLACE??
    anybody??
    because it´s your right??
    obviously to anybody with any sense of reasonability SJax´s and delonte´s “actions” were far worse-and i wouldnt be for lifetime bans for any of them either-those guys need help,not punishment..

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Oh Darth Stern, such heavy handedness so shortly before you have to negotiate with the players association. I for one agree with the suspension, he had that coming, what irks me is the phrasing on that statement. So Delonte, by some accounts a depressive, bipolar troubled person who toted loaded guns around on his tri-bike is “fit” to be on an Nba court? That’s some bullshiat right there. And the statment had to threaten worse punishment to come? Why don’t they just write “we are gonna squash this guy with the might of Mjolnir and cancel his contract while we’re at it”? Agree with some of AllenP’s points on this, very STERN reaction (imagine what would have been if the investigations were not ongoing, wow). Gilbert0′s insistence on treating this like a goofy prank didn’t help matters. Dude, the Nba is monitoring all player tweets, they even stated that early in the season!! why do you think 99% only write fluff on Twitter or don’t even use cursewords etc?!

  • http://www.luketynan.blogspot.com litetitan

    A lot of comments make sense here (mainly the regular’s it seems though). You know how from time to time in life, there is that someone around you just want to deal with more harshly if they screw up particularly?

    Yet someone else could do something in a similar vein and not be punished as greatly? It’s called the “redheaded stepchild” effect, and it’s atrocious. And unfortunately for Arenas he’s Stern’s “redheaded stepchild”.

  • ClydeSays

    I think Stern would have waited until the League and/or DC Cop investigation was over to make any decision, but the pic with Gil smiling and pointing his ‘guns’ probably gave Stern a heart attack.

    If it turns out Arenas did nothing more than bring his guns to work, I don’t see how anything more than a 25 game suspension is in order.

    I think I understand where Stern is coming from He’s trying to protect the League ‘image’ while alot of franchises are losing money. But unless it comes out that Gil was walking around waving pistols in people’s faces and threatening them, I can’t see how a long suspension is going to help anyone.
    (Besides the Wiz management, who gave Gil a ridiculous contract)

  • tip of texas

    he took his GUNS to his workplace
    he took his damn GUNS to his workplace. enough said.
    @the german guy, it goes farther then getting hit with a pistol on your head. the other player could of panicked, grabbed HIS gun and shot nosenseArenas on his face.

  • tip of texas

    by the way i do think Arenas did something more stupid like wave a pistol around while talking sh*t. Isn’t indefinitely until further notice? Just asking what does indefinitely means? maybe he gets 20-40 or rest of the year.

  • tip of texas

    they gave this black man a 100+ million contract and now its a race thing. hahaa.
    this just shows how these cats are so unfamiliar with reality. he could of been shot to death for that.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    GILBERT DESERVED THIS. If the facts are what they look like, Gilbert is in a lot of trouble with the law BUT will probably get out of it. Since Gilbert ran his mouth to every reporter who came within 50 feet of him, since he got on his twitter and posted hilarious yet ignorant things, and since he has not been honest with the public the entire time (changing his story after revealing too much false information) he is suspened without pay. It had nothiing to do with the gun(s) as much as it had to do with the fallout from it. Had Gilbert shut his mouth, not said anything more than something like ‘im talking to authorities and you can see the police report for the real story when its all over’, and just overall kept a low profile he would still be playing. But since he is Gilbert Arenas and loves the spotlight, he decided to show the world how ‘funny’ he was. Honestly, i am pretty sure it was the finger guns that sealed the deal. Stern was on the fence about suspending Gilbert until AFTER last night. Seeing Gilbert taking the whol situation as a joke is what screwed Gilbert over. Well, joke is on you Gilbert. If any one of us had a job, or was at school and got in trouble i dont think we would talk so freely as Gilbert did. We would try and conduct ourselves in a way that would not further damage our repuation or the repuation of the place we were at. When Gilbert decided to keep on running his mouth, he looked like an a$$hole and made NBA look like it was ok with his behavior because they were letting him play. Stern decided enough was enough. STOP MAKING THIS A RACIAL ISSUE, IT IS NOT ONE. I THINK EVERYONE HERE GRILLED JESSE JACKSON ON THAT YESTERDAY. (cap lock raaaaaaaaaage)

  • tip of texas

    he had GUNS at his workplace!
    tenia pistola en su trabajo!
    i dont know german sorry. :(

    he had GUNS at his workplace!
    pistolas en su trabajo.

  • tip of texas

    he had GUNS, guns.
    en su trabajo

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    This isn’t a racial issue. It’s a silly, stupid prank gone terribly wrong. Does it warrant a harsh punishment? That’s definitely up for debate. But you don’t make jokes about bombs or guns, not in this day and age and context, without expecting some kind of serious whiplash or consequence. A foolish German tourist found that out recently, and it’s the same with Gilbert.

  • http://www.twitter.com/PDXGayBball dma

    I think the Wizards organization should be penalized as well for letting the guns get in the facility in the first place. Does this mean players should be required to walk through a metal detector? Possibly.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    I don’t think Gilbert tries to show people how funny he is, that is just him 100 percent. Dude is a goofball and while being one 24/7 isn’t smart I really think this situation is being blown out of the ass. Gil f#cked up but he’ll bounce back. play wit it.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Sometimes, i just miss BETCATS. The one and only.

  • http://www.twitter.com/PDXGayBball dma

    Allenp – not trying to stir up more beef about your ‘white americans own more guns’ statement, but to play devil’s advocate, how many black americans possess guns illegally? were gilbert’s guns even registered in his name?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    I’m very biased because I am a huge Gilbert fan but I don’t believe this suspension was neeeded. What I mean is the “indefinitely” part of it. Maybe it just means 20 games, 40, the rest of the year, or all the way until all-star break next season. I’m not digging it at all. play wit it.

  • http://slamonline.com louisianimal

    so this is what i think about the situation plain and simple…
    1)arenas should not have made a big ass joke about the situation, talk ish about his boss an not expect a big ass suspension
    2)i dont think that STERN HIMSELF is making it a race issue. the people commenting and debating it are
    3)of course an indefinite suspension is fair. you break a main rule, bein investigated by authorities, what kind of image would it set for the nba if u kept playing? that being said, sterns motivation for this suspension is just to protect his product, nothing more, nothing less

  • http://www.nba.com/playerfile/sean_marks/index.html Michael NZ

    Khalid wrote: ‘This apologist nonsense currently being spewed on this site really bothers me. All of you know about me and the sort of things i write about. And i’m, saying straight up and down Arenas violated. Its like any other job. You do not bring weapons to work. Especially unregistered ones. I don’t give a crap if it was loaded or not. And then to flash them to another co-worker in the context of a bet? I mean c’mon man, this is not a game.’
    ___
    Agree with Khalid 100% on this.
    ___
    @Allenp: Disagree 100% with your stance.
    ___
    This IS NOT A FREAKING RACE ISSUE. Its a stupidity issue.
    ___
    tavoris wrote: ‘Allenp-I feel ur pain-wholeheartedly. However, “indefinite” doesn’t mean “lifetime”.’… well said.

  • http://www.nba.com/playerfile/sean_marks/index.html Michael NZ

    @dma: Allenp wrote a lot of unfounded, overreacting (irony) bullsh!t here today.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    gil was wrong, no doubt. he deserves a hefty fine and suspension, but stern doing this now, after he repeatedly said he would wait until the investigation is complete, is crazy. gil should have been more low key after the incident. but all he did was speak the truth. i figured gil would get a 20-25 game suspension. all the false reports and endless bs from the media had to contribute to sterns indefinite suspension. i agree will allenp. the media has made this a racial issue. the hypocrisy of the nba and stern is almost amazing if i didnt expect it. 400 YEARS.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    id like to hear sheeds thoughts on this.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    A lot of comments from new readers, as well as Allenp’s link, were in moderation. Sorry for the delay. I’m grateful this is a place people can voice their opinions, however divergent they may be.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Khalid: One in the chamber? A lifetime ban? Both statements are ridiculous and absolutely absurd. Unloaded guns aren’t dangerous. Loaded ones are. C’mon son…
    @Nima: I agree 100%. His mouth got him into bigger trouble than he was in. Still he was just trying to diffuse and downplay the situation, not fan the flames.
    @Allenp: You make very valid points.
    @Myles: I feel you bruh (pause)
    Finally… This is Gilbert effing Arenas we’re talking about here who is probably one of the lamest and tamest dudes in the League. He’s no killer. He ain’t no thug. He’s not from the hood. Trying to paint him this way is no more irresponsible than Peter Vescey kicking this whole thing off by writing a story in which he quoted some dude named Bookie Ball who said he knew what happened which ultimately proved untrue. I don’t think us so called “apologists” are giving Gil a pass for his behavior, but the severe punishment doesn’t seem to fit the crime. But that’s neither here nor there…
    An “indefinite suspension” in this case means Stern has said that he’ll let Gil back in the L if & when he feels like it. “Without pay” clearly shows that he’s sided with the Wizards–who had to know about this–who’ve just buried their owner and he’ll back them if they try and void Gil’s contract. That isn’t right and I don’t care what anybody says. No matter what Gil did–even if his mouth wrote this check–this is still an “open” investigation and everybody has a right to due process. It doesn’t seem that Gil was given his. *steps down from soapbox*

  • MikeC.

    To anyone who says the suspension is unwarranted, or unfair, read the NBA owners and NBA Players Union Collective Bargaining Agreement. I’ve copy and pasted a couple relevant pieces:
    “Section 9. Firearms.
    (a) Whenever a player is physically present at a facility or venue owned, operated, or being used by a Team, the NBA, or any League-related entity, and whenever a player is traveling on any NBA-related business, whether on behalf of the player’s Team, the NBA, or any League-related entity, such player shall not possess a firearm of any kind. For purposes of the foregoing, “a facility or venue” includes, but is not limited to: an arena; a practice facility; a Team or League office or facility; an All-Star or NBA Playoff venue; and the site of a promotional or charitable appearance.”
    -And, the punishment for breaking this rule…drum roll please….-
    “the act or conduct by a player may result in both a termination of the player’s Uniform Player Contract by his Team and the suspension of the player by the NBA.”
    So, to sum it up, Gil brought guns to an NBA facility, this violates the CBA, and the rules allow the league to suspend Gil, and the Wiz to void his contract. It’s well within the rules that the players and the owners agreed on. Done and done.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @MikeC: So explain Sebastian Telfair then. *crickets*

  • MikeC.

    @Bryan Crawford
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2331954

    Those are some pretty loud crickets.

  • MikeC.

    @Bryan Crawford
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2847755

    Crickets are getting louder and louder. Almost deafening.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @MikeC: Rules are one thing, but not enforcing them in a consistent and uniform manner is another. These same rules were in place when Bassy had his gun on a team charter which BTW qualifies as “a facility or venue owned operated, or being used by a Team”. So by your rationale and quoting from the NBA rulebook… why was Telfair seemingly exempt from “both a termination of the player’s Uniform Player Contract by his Team and the suspension of the player by the NBA”? Bassy’s gun incident came in Feb. ’06. The current CBA was agreed upon in Jun. ’05. Therefore, Telfair was subject to the same rule and punishment as Gil. But it didn’t happen. So don’t just go around copying and pasting rules trying to make a point when a precedent has already been set in where the rules weren’t strictly enforced. Oh yeah did I mention that Bassy’s gun was LOADED? On a freakin plane no less?

  • michael scorn

    Stern needs this to distract everyone from the NBA games being fixed.

  • MikeC.

    My reply seems to be stuck in moderation since I put a link in it proving my point. Telfair was released by the Celtics. Since he was coming to the end of his contract, nobody made a big deal out of it. The rule book also states that it is up to the discretion of the league and the team as to the penalty. I’m on the fence with this issue. I like Gil as a player, I think that what he did was unbelievably dumb and he deserves to be punished. There aren’t many past incidents like this to draw on for a precedent. Players have been caught with guns before, but every player before this at least gave an apology whether it was real or lubed with crocodile tears. Gil made a joke out of it and the league dropped the hammer. Those are the rules. Live by them, or get a job like the rest of the world. Also, no way in the world the Players Union lets this slide without a fight. They’ll cite the Bassy incident, the Jax incident, and the Spree and Ron-Ron incidents the keep Gil from having his contract voided and the league will probably end up suspending him for 50 games or a full season without pay then let him come back just to put the negative publicity to bed.

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  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Cavs just handled the Wizards, can someone please tell me how many uniforms the Cavs wear on average per month? How do fans of this franchise keep up? Z? anyone?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @MikeC: Once again… your cut/paste game needs A LOT of work. Did you actually READ this article or just cut/paste once again? How does this support your argument? If anything, it makes you look like a supreme moron for even using this piece to try and prove a point that you DON’T have. C’mon son… don’t insult my intelligence.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @MikeC: My last comment was for your second link, not the first which does reference the Portland incident. But you also said there was no past incidents to draw on as precedent, but that’s EXACTLY what Bassy’s situation was. Precedent. As I stated, when this incident went down, the CBA had been negotiated and the gun rule was in place. Bassy should’ve gotten the exact same punishment as Gil. But he didn’t. Which is why this whole thing is bogus.

  • http://www.luketynan.blogspot.com litetitan

    Bryan I believe the CBA states there, as MikeC highlighted the EXTENT to which a player may be dealt with. A team may move to discipline a player with a lesser action but the FULL extent to which both player and administration has agreed upon is quite clear. Some people eat crickets for breakfast.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @litetitan: So 4 unloaded guns in a locker is worth an indefinite suspension without pay while a loaded gun on an NBA team airplane is only worth a fine? C’mon son…

  • http://www.luketynan.blogspot.com litetitan

    Individual crimes/scenario’s and motives must all be assessed within the frame work of their coming about. The law/agreement the NBA have in place clearly defines the framework for which must be adhered to, but the extent to which each infraction (ie, the telfair-gate and bassy and now Gilbertology) is resolved may differ.

    Alot of ones “trying” to make this same argument are just not presenting their thoughts properly or accurately, so you are of course right to point that out.

  • Jose

    Guns don’t kill ppl,Davis Stern just takes your paycheck so the ppl w/ the guns can’t buy the bullets for it…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @litetitan: I just ask for Stern to be fair, that’s all. How do you slap a guy on the wrist for having a loaded gun on a team plane where somebody really could’ve gotten hurt and then throw the book at a guy who had four unloaded guns in a locker that posed a threat to no one? So if, “Individual crimes/scenario’s and motives must all be assessed within the frame work of their coming about”, then Sebastian Telfair should’ve been subject to stiffer or at the very least the same punishment as Gil. The difference being that Portland vouched for Bassy so to speak and the Wizards did no such thing for Gil. Had the team backed him, Stern would’ve continued to sit on his hands.

  • http://www.luketynan.blogspot.com litetitan

    Bryan – I see the stark contracts. But it’s not JUST 4 unloaded guns in a locker. Add the attitude of the player that created the prank, after the situation was being made clear and the truth was coming to light. Gilbert was in NO WAY taking this serious after the fact. My only point is, that I can see why things have gone the way they have with Gilbert.

  • MikeC.

    @Bryan Crawford – I think we all know that Stern and the league office have a track record of not handing down penalties that we all think of as fair. 2007 Suns fans raise your hands. 1997 Knicks fans, raise em up as well. The point I was trying to make, admittedly poorly, was that the language in the CBA allows for the team and the league office to hand down whatever penalty they feel like at the time. My other point was that the players have a union, so they had a few degrees of protection. The league can throw a huge fine or suspension at a player, the union can fight it. If neither side blinks, they go to an independent arbitrator (see Sprewell incident), who will make a decision that both sides must abide by. The current rules allow for Stern to hand down whatever punishment he sees fit at the time because the league owners chose him to be their collective voice. I agree that if Gil was a benchwarming scrub like Bassy was at the time, this wouldn’t have been a big story. It’s a big story because Gil was/is a superstar. It’s a huuuuge story because it happened in DC which has some of the most strict gun laws in the world. People are arguing and complaining about a suspension. Gil’s guns weren’t registered in DC. He could be going to jail too. That’s the big picture.

  • http://www.luketynan.blogspot.com litetitan

    Yeah your exactly right there Bryan.
    Portland vouched for Bassy much the same way that the Cleveland organisation rallied behind West.
    Where alot of the anger may stem from (that is anger from Gilbert himself, the casual fan or management alike) in Gilberts situation is that he won’t have any if many people in his corner.
    Washington was THE worst place to be involved in an altercation involving firearms… But Gilberts tricks and eccentric ways have always taken first place over his responsabilities (ie, 40,000 shots in the offseason, time spent on social networking and blogs…now prank turned crime scene).

  • MikeC.

    The Delonte West situation is similar but different. Delonte didn’t have the guns on league property, so it didn’t warrant an immediate suspension. Players get into ish all the time, and teams and the league have to sit on their hands until the criminal justice system sorts it out. Delonte’s gun arrest hasn’t gone through the system yet as far as I know. He also has some mental stability issues that he has medication for. I’m not saying Delonte gets a pass, but due to mental health issues, he has a civil rights card he can play should he need to. Not saying it’s right, but it’s a fact.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I think you all are taking the word indefinitely as an interpretation for forever. Indefinitely could mean until next week for all we know. Relax on the outrage over the indefinite suspension. Anyway, he deserves to be suspended for the act and the sheer stupidity of it. We are only a handful of months removed from an athlete being sent to prison for shooting himself and Gil goes and puts himself in position to be made an example of. They made an example of Plax and now they have the opportunity to make an example of Gil. If he has to sit out the rest of the year I’m cool with it because he should have been smarter about it. Sometimes there are consequences for stupidity. This is one of those times.

  • http://www.luketynan.blogspot.com litetitan

    @MikeC. Whether you loved the player or enjoyed the clown – the realistic notion that he could be seeing jail time is a sad state of affairs.
    @Bryan. I hope David Stern is fair too…By that I mean I hope Gilbert shows DEEP and FULL SIGNS of remorse and humility and Sternis moved to abide by it in some fashion. Maybe the commish’ and Gil’s party can come to a middle ground somewhere (although I expect Crittendon wants to see his 25,000?) but I wonder what the police/federal fallout will entail?
    .
    Add to that, the concept that washington management had a way out handed to them on a silver platter to the extent of 111 MILLION… I want to be a fly on the wall when THAT is brought up during a backdoor meeting.

  • http://www.luketynan.blogspot.com litetitan

    Coco – we (mikeC, Bryan and myself) know what the word indefinite means.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    And, as it’s been said countless times here already, if I bring a gun to my job I’m going to get fired, no questions asked. The NBA is a business and somewhere in the language of the contract he signed they have the right to fire him I assume. No matter how you feel about the suspension, Gilbert Arenas is the reason Gilbert Arenas is even in this position. Let’s not lose sight of that.

  • http://www.luketynan.blogspot.com litetitan

    Co Co – Technically, Agent Zero is the reason Gilbert Arenas is in this position. Gilbert just wanted to keep his kids safe. Agent Zero took it too far.

  • http://www.luketynan.blogspot.com litetitan

    Here’s hoping that not just Gil learns from this but every NBA player watching understands the bigger issue of accountability and responsability.

  • The D Train

    a couple of things we should all keep in mind with the “if i brought a gun to work” argument: first of all, Gil is backed by a union. coming from an industrial town that is 75% union workers, i’ll say that the way union workers are treated is far different from those of us who don’t have unions covering our collective arses. second, i doubt many, if any of us on this site have somewhere between 3-10 thousand people that will pay to watch us perform at least 41 nights out of the year. granted these are not excuses for Gil and Crit’s lunacy, but rest assured they are held to a different standard than we are, just like they are compensated differently than we are.

  • MikeC.

    @ The D Train – speak for yourself. I have plenty of people pay to watch me mow my lawn, shovel my driveway and do all the stuff regular people do…wait a minute. No I don’t. I’m a regularass guy with a regularass job with a regularass life. I agree that jeopardizing their livelihoods with guns is sheer lunacy. Unions are powerful, which is why Gil will be fine provided he isn’t convicted of any felonies. Javaris too. If they’re convicted, they’re federally fVcked and we might see them on MSNBC Lockup.

  • http://www.slamonline.com barnabusb

    Good for Stern. He says what he means and means what he says when he drops the boom on someone.

  • cballer

    wow this is serious,man. Stern doesn’t fuck around.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Fitty saw this comin…
    Everywhere I go I gotta tag along
    Cause my buzz gettin’ strong And they mad I’m on
    They ride with me when I’m past the mall
    Don’t wait for me on the bench when I’m running a game of basketball
    One sqeeze will make a bastard fall
    Gasp and crall
    You need a bulletproof vest mask and all
    Bring your buddy when it’s time to roam

  • DallasJ

    lol at anyone claiming bias and “image” things…comparing guns IN THE LOCKER ROOM (in DC no less) to gun incidents off property..no no
    \ this Gil thing is a whole new ballgame.. and I hope the Crittenton part of the story is exaggerated.. this is sad if its true and sadder there are people out there thinking this is no big deal.. brainwashed muthas these days

  • http://seriously.anything.works.here Dave

    I can say I wholeheartedly agree with the Greek Guy, knowing that nobody will read this far down on the comments to notice. I don’t actually know if he even commented, because I sure didn’t read this far.
    Ooh, pineapple rings? Yes please.

  • http://www.http://courtsidebasketball.blogspot.com/ stu

    this pic would have been the nail, for sure..

    http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/photos?photoId=366389&gameId=300105020

  • http://Www.facebook.com Joe_king

    I actually agree with giving arenas a suspension and all but stern is a f_____g idiot, he has no rules to his suspensions or fines.remember in the playoffs when dwight ‘threw’ an elbow and got suspended, but rondo throws kirk hinrich into a tAble and almost takes down brad miller but gets no punishment because it was an azing series and losing rondo might of ruined that

  • Yassi

    some years from now the NBA hopefully remains the only dictatorship on the face of good ol earth.
    Yes, he can …….. this is madness….

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Madness?! THIS IS WASHINGTON!

  • http://alimartin07@yahoo.com Ali

    Question to all of you out there! What would happen to you if you brought a gun to your work place, and played around with it, with another co-worker in front of other co-workers? I think your a** would be looking for another job, and may have some charges to go along with that. What’s the difference! White or Black. You don’t f*** around with/play with guns at work.

  • http://www.luketynan.blogspot.com litetitan

    Ali – Gil should have just paid the young fellow his 25,000 and left the table.

  • tavoris

    if you need the money that bad, then you shouldn’t be gambling.

  • James aka…

    There is a lot of omission of facts in the arguments seen on here. Arenas was not suspended based on what he has admitted too (bringing the guns to work), nor was he suspended for the alleged and as yet unclear situation with Critendon (and it should be noted that Critendon has not been discplined for his alleged role). Arenas was suspended because he was making light of a situation where he is being investigated by police for something. Sterns statement is clear, it wasn’t the incident, it was the way he was handling it. Some have compared it to the Kobe situation. If Kobe brought out a blow-up doll to the arena, dry humped it and slapped it around during the warm-ups, then there would be an analogous situation. It could be shown that he was making light of a serious criminal complaint. Kobe however treated the allegations of criminal wrong doing seriously. He appeared very contrite when he appologized for messing around on his wife, he didn’t make alter ego comments after his appology on a blog demonstrating that maybe he didn’t take it that seriously. Ultimately he was found not guilty, but again thats immaterial to the analogy. Gilbert wasn’t suspended based on the allegation, he was suspended for subsequent behaviour. Turning to the cases of Jackson and West, again we have some false analogies. The Jackson case is closer, as we have both an alleged criminal complaint, and immature behaviour with the patdown routine as a pre-game ritual. However, it appears there was some lag between the complaint and the subsequent incident, so that it was not as egregious in the minds of both Stern and the public. I’m also assuming Jackson wasn’t charged in the end, meaning the situation may have been cooled off before his obliquely making light of it. In the case of West, the analogy isn’t even close. Yes both incidents (arenas and wests) involve guns, but thats the end of the similarities. West may be lucky that he got off with a slap on the wrist for having the weapons on him, but he didn’t point them at anyone. thats the difference between a criminal complaint of assault with a weapon (which would be what Arenas could be charged with if he did point the gun at critendon) and the criminal concealment of a weapon. Two different alleged crimes with different sentences if convicted. We don’t know what Arenas did yet, so we can’t speculate too much on it, but if it went down in a fashion similar to what the post reported, Arenas should have the book thrown at him because his “joke” could have led to real violence. Critendon allegedly didn’t see it as a joke at the time, and reacted in a manner that could be reasonably determined to be self defence. I have a feeling judging Arenas on his public persona that he meant no harm, but not all crimes are motivated by the same feelings. Somes are crimes of anger, some of passion, and as in this case, some by sheer stupidity.

    Lastly on the telfair situation, since i noticed it mentioned as well. From the reports on here, it looks like he had the gun in his lugage, not in the arena and not pointed at anyone so another false analogy.

    Anyone who, like Allenp, says this is a racially motivated suspension, that somehow Arenas is being unfairly targeted has to demonstrated where a similar situation has happened to a white player and he got off. I don’t know Donald Sterlings situation, but I do know that hes a team owner, not a player, and is not bound by the collective agreement that Arenas is. Furthermore, as with Kobe, there is no record of sterling making an ass out of himself while the complaint was being heard. False analogies abound. The commend about massa too is digusting and ridiculous. It cheapens the real racial injustice that many people face on a day to day basis by comparing the plight of an immature millionaire who is the subject of a criminal probe to a slave forced to suck up to a slave master. Shameful, stupid comment. As Al sharpton pointed out if say Spencer Hawes pointed a gun at say kevin martin as a joke, there would be howels of indignaion about it because of the history of racial tension in the US.

  • Zach Smart

    when the commish was weighing his options about how
    to sanction Arenas, did Gil hand him a slip
    that said “pick one?”

  • cool j

    Co-sign that Ali,!
    I can’t believe what I am reading from most of you …trying make excuses ,its a harsh punishment and deserved on the basis of what we already know …pulling a gun on a co-worker?
    There has to be zero tolerance for guns and gun play between players period.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    1. Arenas has never admitted to pulling a gun on a co-worker. Firsthand accounts from teammates and players, as reported by Michael Lee of the Washingtong Post, noted that Arenas never pulled a gun on anyone. Yet people are still running with the account promulgated by ESPN and Peter Vecsey, as if those two entities are paragons of accuracy and evenhandedness.
    2. Arenas bringing a gun to work is no more dangerous than the millions of Americans with concealed handgun permits that carry them around in their daily lives. In fact, it’s less dangerous since his gun was unloaded. I don’t get the argument that what Arenas did was so dangerous a lifetime ban is justified.
    3. David Sern is well within his rights to suspend Arenas. He violated league rules. The question is why was the suspension tied to Arenas demeanor and attitude after the news broke, instead of to the rule violation. Why did Stern deem Arenas “unfit” to play in the NBA. Word usage is important, particularly when those words are used by a lawyer. Stern has made this a moral issue, instead of a rules violation, which is dangerous for all NBA players.
    4. Those of you who don’t see race in how this issue was covered by the media, and how fans have reacted are welcome to your world. I never called David Stern a racist, I said he was kowtowing to racial biases and sentiment. The outrage ginned up by a players decision to bring guns to an NBA arena, completely dwarfs the outrage over a Senator’s aide bringing a gun to the Senate floor. And nobody thinks there is anything strange about that. I don’t blindly search for ways to interject race into discussions, but neither do I turn a blind eye to the obvious.
    I’m through with this subject.

  • cool j

    Could you please explain why he has 3 guns in his locker? when they are forbidden on NBA buildings? people like you are the ones who have undermine the word racist.Because in this case ,he is being punish for his actions not for who he looks like.
    They are many people suffering out there from “real racism ” to find jobs,housing and so on… but to use it on a spoilt athlete gangster wannabe dimunishes the pain of the real victims of racism in our society.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Cool J
    People like you lack reading comprehension.
    Where did I justify the guns?
    The fact that you only think “real” racism exists within the small parameters you outlined is proof of your own lack of insight. In fact, media images and reports are some of the key factors that determine public opinion and therefore contribute to discrimination and other forms of injustice.
    Without “Birth of a Nation” there is no Klan.
    Without “The Bell Curve” the term reverse racism fades into the ether.
    The way the media presents actions, such as fights in the NBA, contributes to public opinion, which in turn justifies racist mindsets and actions. Why do you think people say they don’t want to watch the NBA because its filled with “thugs”? Do NBA players have more criminal incidents than the NFL? Than the general population?
    You have failed to comprehend my points about racism and its involvement in this issue. Since I’ve explained it as simply as I possibly could, then I guess I have no other recourse but to leave you in your ignorance.

  • http://www.another48minutes.com Gerard Himself

    I’m really happy Myles Brown is here. I read his comments, and agree on everything he has said. Not to be kissing a.., but I just agree.

  • cool j

    Allen p
    What’s more ignorant trying to pretend that a pampered millionaire star who has willfully broken his employment rules is a victim of racism? give me a break!
    We know there is racism in society but its laughable to apply it to this case.
    There is such a thing as taking responsability for your idiotic actions and not hiding behind ones ethnicity when you get caught!
    Racism is too important an issue to be trivialised in this context!

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    i’m literally stunned at the idiots who can’t grasp the concept of nba property being influential in the distinction of treatment between this case and previous. it’s quite clearly written down what that defines and what is incurred if such an event occurs. that’s really something so complex to comprehend isn’t it…. Add to the fact that Gil is profile enough to be made a prime example of and all this ish was set in stone the day the story broke, whether there were discrepancies in the story or not.

  • http://slamonline.com Allen

    Cool J
    So, you believe that being a millionaire is protection against racism?
    What exactly do you THINK I’m saying?
    I have not called Stern a racist. I have not said Gilbert being suspended for the guns would be racism.
    So, what concept are you having trouble grasping? The idea that media reports and reaction have been tinged with racial bias? If you’re having trouble with that, ask me to explain and I’ll be glad to.
    Don’t consistently claim that I’ve blamed Arenas’ punishment on racism because that’s a lie. From the beginning, I’ve said that Arenas broke the rules and should be punished for THAT, not for his attitude, or in an attempt to placate the media or fans.
    So yes, I think you have a problem with comprehension.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Cool J
    So, you believe that being a millionaire is protection against racism?
    What exactly do you THINK I’m saying?
    I have not called Stern a racist. I have not said Gilbert being suspended for the guns would be racism.
    So, what concept are you having trouble grasping? The idea that media reports and reaction have been tinged with racial bias? If you’re having trouble with that, ask me to explain and I’ll be glad to.
    Don’t consistently claim that I’ve blamed Arenas’ punishment on racism because that’s a lie. From the beginning, I’ve said that Arenas broke the rules and should be punished for THAT, not for his attitude, or in an attempt to placate the media or fans.
    So yes, I think you have a problem with comprehension

  • cool j

    AllenP
    I have a problem with people bringing racism in a case where they’ve screwed up and trying to hide behind it.
    You can try explaining it Allen if you want ,there are no justification for Gil bringing guns to his workplace in light of the gun laws in DC and the NBA gun rules.
    THAT IS THE ISSUE!
    Trying to make David Stern the issue ,why don’t blame Santa clause while you are it…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Who brought racism up in an attempt to justify Arenas’ actions?
    Right now, find a place where I wrote that.
    You won’t find it because I never wrote it.
    Like I said, if you can’t understand what I write then admit that’s the problem. Don’t attribute comments to me, and then argue against that. That’s called constructing a strawman argument and it’s intellectually dishonest.
    I said Arenas should be suspended for bringing guns to work. I have never wavered from that position. Apparently, when you saw the word “RACE” you lost the ability to comprehend my writing and thus cannot understand what I’ve written.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    By the way, what does “SMH” mean? I’ve always wanted to know. Ever since Ryne typed it 290 comments ago.

  • http://alimartin07@yahoo.com Ali

    Tariq’ It means “Scratch my Head” or “Shaking my Head”. I love how we all have great things to debate about Gil’s situation, but race really has nothing to do with this. PERIOD! If there was a debt, Gil should have manned up and settled the debt, end of story! Gil is from my hometown L.A., not to bring the streets into this but that’s how things are handled in the streets (gun play), which normally ends with someone dead. $6 or $600K! He left L.A. for Zona as a teen, I don’t think he knows much about gun play and seriousness of anything associated with guns. Which makes him one of the true idiots in the world today. (Too many entertainers and sports stars dead or in trouble with guns to list!) Does he live under a rock! He did have a rough childhood, ok, fine, I’ll give you that but Cmon’ Son! You DO NOT play with guns! Gil got 100,000,000.00+ on a contract he signed! To all my fellaz out there, this madness needs to stop with the guns, hoes, jewels, cars, egos, flaunting etc. We need a little humility in this day and age! Do your job, enjoy life, family and friends. Enjoy your weekend fellaz….

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