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Wednesday, January 13th, 2010 at 9:30 am  |  90 responses

Nets Looking to Deal Devin Harris?

Somewhere, Mark Cuban is cackling maniacally: “And rest assured, the Nets are disappointed enough to listen to offers for Harris — they just don’t expect to get anything done with any of their six core guys before the Feb. 18th deadline. But they’re not exactly considering him (sportswriter cliché alert) an untouchable anymore. Why should he be tenured, anyway? His jumper’s broken. His defense, by and large, is still poor. He’s injury prone. And he’s still young and talented enough to bring back a very good return, given his contract (at least if you pair it with one of the expiring deals). But even if the Nets think they could do better, we find it very hard to drop all the blame of this 3-34 nightmare on this kid’s head, for a number of reasons.”

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  • tavoris

    of course they are trying to deal him….they know they’re gonna get the most ping pong balls int he John Wall Sweepstakes

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  • Jer Boi

    yet the team with the most ping pong balls doesnt usually get the #1 pick.

  • nel-o

    what are the nets thinking?

  • tavoris

    Jer Boi-u right, but that hasn’t stopped teams from tanking every season

  • http://www.youtube.com/ L

    Portland? Golden State?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    And this is why Bill Simmons is a writer and qualified ppl are running NBA teams. Not that he is going to own up to having vastly overrated Devin Harris anytime soon.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m willing to bet the Miami Heat get in on this.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    He’s not as good as his numbers suggested he was but I knew that. He’s a speedy 16 point 6 assists guy no more no less.

  • http://staticseth.blogspot.com/ Seth

    The real problem at hand for Jersey is that Harris needs a better supporting cast. He and Lopez are a good pair to build around.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    John WALLLLL!!!
    What if we’re overhyping john wall?

  • LA Huey

    Umm…I’d wait to ’til I at least win the 1st pick before dealing him. And outside of officially forfeiting games, how would these Nets exactly tank it?

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    TRADE HIM FOR SHAQ!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    I hear the Wolves still need more PG’s…

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    E: be carfeul what you wish for…

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    wasn’t he an all-star last year?
    then again, jamaal magloire was once an all-star. jamaal magloire! btw, everyone should go check out his profile page on nba.com. totally hilarious.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    The Nets have a promising young core but they don’t realize it, which is just sad.
    1. Devin Harris
    2. Courtney Lee
    3. Chris Douglas-Roberts
    4. Yi Jian Lian
    5. Brook Lopez
    Lopez and Yi are developing into (eventually) All-Star caliber big men. Lopez is already pretty much at that level. I understand Devin Harris isn’t the best defender in the world but Courtney Lee is decent. What the Nets need now is a bench, a few solid to great draft picks (maybe JOHN WALL?!?!?!) and they’re set for next year.
    Its funny that Harris is loved by all the “fans,” but when the Nets start losing, as they always have, Harris is now overrated? Right.

  • tavoris

    @Teddy-Devin Harris is actually a pretty good on-ball defender when he doesn’t have to exert so much energy on offense. When he was in college-and at Dallas-that was his most important skill. He regressed in NJ because they expect him to create everything on every posession.

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan2.0

    @albie: maybe magloire isnt the greatest centre to be an all star… but don’t forget, he was the best player on the east that year and if they won the game, he would have had a ASG MVP under his belt

  • http://www.another48minutes.com Gerard Himself

    Teddy: they do realize that they have a great young core, that’s why you won’t see them trading guys like CDR or Lopez.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    I’ve never ever liked Harris. For the record.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    They are giving up on Harris too early. He and Brook Lopez can be a poor man’s Parker and Duncan in the East.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m not sure why everyone is down on Harris? Outside of Rondo and maybe Derrick Rose, Devin is arguably the most talented PG in the East.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Devin Harris & Yi for Bosh & Calderon

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Trading him for expiring cap space and landing the #1 pick = Wall, CDR, Lee, Yi, Lopez…and Bron.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    LeBron is not gonna sign in NJ unless they get more then that

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I dont’ know what Bron would do, but it seems crazy that he would sign with the Nets if that was their squad. He would be at least three to four years away from a ring at that point.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    For NJ to get LeBron they will need to do the trade I said above Myles

  • Double J

    You know I really really like the roster of Wall, Lee, CDR, Yi, and Lopez.

  • tavoris

    it would be crazy if Lebron threw everyone off this summer and only agreed to a 1 year deal.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    nobody offering LeBron a 1 year deal

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Getting rid of Harris gives them the maneuverability to sign another FA like Boozer though. If one of them is willing to take less money that is. Then its Wall, CDR, Bron, Boozer and Lopez. Which would easily be the best front court in the league.

  • tavoris

    @nbk-are you on a mission to discredit every comment? If he demands it, he’ll get it. He’s freaking Lebron James. However, that is pointless since I raised a hypothetical.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Myles what your saying is they are giving up Harris for an Expriring contract. Which is not happening

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I am gonna disagree with everything I disagree with. Are you on a mission to take everything personal?

  • tavoris

    @nbk not personal-just pointless 4 u to say “they aren’t gonna do that” repeatedly. If no one is gonna ever do anything you disagree with, then the comment section would just be filled with people typing “First!”. Get a grip

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no actually it would be a punch of people saying logical ideas

  • vmcb

    Harris needs another threat on the wing to succeed. The main difference, besides a coaching change, between this year’s Nets team and last year’s is Vince not being there. Lee isn’t a huge scorer, and Williams is still learning the ropes, meaning opposing teams can focus on Harris without much fear of getting burned elsewhere.

  • tavoris

    @nbk-I guess u don’t think a writer for THIS site is logical (Myles), cuz u just did that same nit-picking ‘ish to him. And ur presence here is for????

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I think what he said isn’t logical, because THe NETS wont give up their best player for an expiring deal. I didn’t say they shouldn’t do that. I said they wont.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    I can’t think of any of hte current free agent big men who would be willing to take a pay cut to play with Bron.
    Amare, Bosh and Boozer are about their dollars first.
    That would be the best front court in the league though.
    You know Rudy gay is a free agent. Imagine if Rudy Gay and Brown signed on the Nets. That would be nasty with Bron and Gay both capable of playing hybrid 3/4 and Lopez holding it down in the paint.

  • tavoris

    @Allenp-I think that David Lee would be a good fit alongside Bron, also

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    David Lee sucks on defense. Don’t be fooled by the hype. But, he is a rebounding and hustling machine. If Lee was with the Nets, then Lopez might have problems with foul trouble. Then again, if the Nets signed Gay and Lebron, he would have the same problem.

  • tavoris

    Well, his suckiness at D seems to be more a problem of the Knicks ineptitude than a lack of effort. I just imagine him actually being able to dunk what Varejo can only awkwardly lay up.

  • tavoris

    @nbk-any player not names Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Duncan, or Garnett can be had for the right expiring deal. Chauncey Billups > every player on the Nets, and he was had for an expiring deal. I’m not saying they’re gonna do it either-but then again-neither did Myles.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    That is not true. Chauncee Billups was had for the most ICONIC player of the late 90′s he wasn’t traded for Cuttino Mobley.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You think every team in the league is willing to screw up their future for an expiring contract tavoris. maybe “coaching d-1″ lol is what you should stick too

  • tavoris

    nbk-so I guess ur the only person who thinks the Pistons actually WANTED Allen Iverson. hmmm.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no they didn’t but they did sell a lot of merchandise. got a ton of attention. and saved 20 million dollars in the process. thats a whole different situation – plus joe dumars is the most overrated GM of all time

  • tavoris

    Oh, see the Knicks, Nets, Pistons, Clippers, Hornets, Grizzlies, Warriors, Timberwolves, and soon-to-be Wizards. Those are the first names off my mind that are currently (or have recently) practically GIVEN AWAY key players away for little more than cap space.

  • tavoris

    nbk-ur last comment corroborated what I said about trading for cap space

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    A Key player and BEST player are two different things. stop being ignorant

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The only team to GIVE AWAY their BEST PLAYER is MEMPHIS – And Chris Wallace STILL has not lived that down

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh and when Detroit Traded Billups for Iverson they were actually getting a 25ppg 7 assist guy

  • http://slamonline.com crada

    are the nets retarded. john wall sucks, devin harris is soooo much better

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    so yeah they traded for an expiring deal. one that happened to be one of the best players in the league (at the time)

  • tavoris

    @nbk-what about NY(Crawford AND Randolph)? What about the Nets(Carter was the best player on that team)? What about the Piston’s? What about the Sonics (who traded Ray Allen for cap space and a draft pick)? Ye of little knowledge…

  • nK7

    tadone right
    the miami heat better get D-harris
    i trade rafer Alston and Carlos arroyo

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Tavoris I feel like you are the biggest “poser” on this site. YOu get in these arguments with people all the time, and it always ends with them calling you out for something you said that doesn’t make sense. Then you leave and don’t say anything until a new topic comes up. F.E. The time you said you were a D-1 coach in order to try and prove you know the game. which did the exact opposite

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Carter was an overpaid shot-a-holic. Not the best player at all. The sonics were rebuilding dude, they just got KD on draft night, WHY would they keep ray allen? When they can get another player to build up with him. They ray allen trade was a very smart decision if you haven’t noticed. And you already know the deal with NY – The players they gave up were gonna be gone in 2 years regardless. Stop putting aside every other factor in all of these trades.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    plus crawford and randolph were viewed as overpaid shot-a-holics who caused more problems then advantages

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And the Pistons trade was not anything like what your trying to make it sound like. It turned out bad after. but nobody can read the future

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    For the record
    tavoris Posted: Jan.13 at 4:29 pm
    nbk-long jumpers don’t lead to offensive rebounds…the ball bounces far when it travels from afar. Have you ever actually PLAYED basketball?
    nbk Posted: Jan.13 at 4:35 pm
    exactly why long rebounds are more easily had by an offensive player moron. A defensive players job is to position himself between his man and the basket. SO short rebounds should in theory go to defensive players. have you ever played basketball because i am about to celebrate year 20 playing the sport

    just to prove how much you know

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Actually, Tavoris is right.
    Expiring contract regularly turn up in lopsided trades. That’s just the business. And Vince Carter was the best player on the Nets team when he got traded, don’t get it twisted. So was Ray Allen. And Crawford and Randolph.
    Point blank, the Pistons traded Billups because they didn’t like the big contract they had given him considering the fact that the team looked stagnant and Dumars was worried about money. They lucked up and got Iverson who was supposed to be a good player for them and a salary cap dump. The move was primarily financial since Sheed and Billups were coming off the books, only Dumars effed up and burned his cap space on Ben Gordon and Charlie V.

  • http://www.realultimatepower.net doyouwantmore

    If they ban gambling they should ban the ping pong balls, too.

  • sush carter

    not sure how the contracts would match up, but harris for al jefferson? lopez, al, yi, lee and john wall sounds like a good starting 5…and the wolves love pgs

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You think Vince Carter was better then Devin Harris last year? Allen come on. DO you care about DEFENSE? AT ALL? And Crawford and Randolph were the best players except they weren’t the type of “best player” that will actually win games, they causing the most problems. And everyone knew the Knicks sights have been set on LeBron since he first put on a yankees hat in public. Those situations are totally separate then teams giving up their bona fide best player for nothing but MONEY. Ray Allen was traded for the 5th pick as well – which is not at all giving away you best player for nothing.

  • tavoris

    nbk-yes he (Carter)was. the fact that Harris hasn’t improved the Nets this season (even with Yi’s & CDR’s emergence) should solidify that. Hell, I was one of the dudes that overrated harris even a month ago.
    Also, offensive rebounds are almost always to be had near the basket. That’s why the best offensive rebounders are almost always power forwards and centers. That’s also why Phoenix is pretty close to the bottom of the league in offensive rebounding. It would make sense that the offensive player would get long rebounds, but when guards are doing the smart thing (getting back on D) on a missed shot, then they aren’t in position to get those rebounds.
    Not gonna argue that point with you, because your lack of experience at actually PLAYING is clear.

  • tavoris

    one more thing-going back to Ray allen. NO ONE had any idea that Russell Westbrook & Jeff Green would turn out to be any better than AVERAGE playrs in the L. With that being said, they lucked out getting a quality player with the 5 pick. Remember that draft was supposed to be Durant, Oden, and nothing else?

  • MikeC.

    For everyone arguing about trading best players for nothing but expiring contracts, remember that GMs have to make deals that aren’t always about winning basketball games. Sometimes they have to basically give a guy away to save money for a franchise that’s losing money. Ex. Pau Gasol donation to LA. To make it easier to stomach, I’ve divided player movement into two distinct categories. 1) Team trade – which is a basketball-related trade to improve talent. These don’t happen too often any more. 2) Franchise transaction – which is a financially-based move to either save money this season and in the future (Gasol) or to create buzz and sell tickets/merchandise regardless of basketball outcome (Iverson to Pistons). The trades that help a team on the court seem to be rarer and rarer nowadays, and tend to revolve around names like Aaron Afflalo, Ryan Anderson, etc. The big names tend to get moved because their franchises can’t afford to keep the teams together.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Nothing else in terms of superstars. Watch that draft again Tavoris they were talking about Jeff Green as a possible future all star. – And Offensive Rebounds in a half court set, are more often from longer jump shots. A)Because the ball bounces harder off the rim B)The further the ball goes the more likely the defense will be out of position C) Closer shots mean MORE defenders. D) This is common knowledge if you know anything about basketball. In a different situation such as w/ phoenix where you rarely have the team even attempting to rebound your numbers will be low. YOU DONT WATCH GAMES YOU IGNORANT SOB – You are the proven liar who tried to say he was a d-1 coach. I will be straight up honest w/ you, I have played basketball since I was 3 years old. I played in hs, came off the bench, made a juco team but quit for more important reasons.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Actually watch the draft for the first time. And probably a Suns Game (see how they “attempt to rebound”). Or maybe just a full basketball game in general that will prolly help.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh and long jump shots are more often missed then close range shots, which also attributes to the likely hood that they will be grabbed by the offense – I mean if you can’t see the obvious

  • tavoris

    nbk-why u spazzin out? is discussing a topic that difficult for you? Your basketball pedigree (or mine for that matter) has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Long range shots are indeed missed more often than shorter shots, but it is a KNOWN FACT IN BASKETBALL that the best offensive rebounding teams feature players that ATTACK the BASKET. Help defense leads to the missed box-out assignments that lead to offensive rebounds. Long shots don’t usually lead to offensive rebounds, as most coaches teach their teams to send 2-3 players to the offensive boards AT MOST. 5 players are more likely to get a rebound over 3 players. That’s why teams ALWAYS have more defensive rebounds. Your argument would dictate otherwise, and isn’t backed up by any data.

  • tavoris

    @nbk-as I said in the other thread-I’m done with discussing with you…feel free 2 try sumbody else.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Tavoris my logic does not dictate that the offense would get more rebounds. You can’t read or comprehend the meaning of words? When did I say that Long jumpers translates to more offensive rebounds then defensive rebounds? This discussion is about THE MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES, who have MAYO AND GAY shooting LONG JUMP SHOTS, primarily in a HALF COURT SET. What your talking about is teams that fast break, vs. teams that crash the boards. Memphis is about 25% Fast break, 35% Post play, 40% Perimeter in terms of shot distribution during a game. Which equals more offensive rebounding opportunities especially when your big men are attempting to offensive rebound on every possession. As opposed to phoenix, whose big men are more inclined to get back on defense then try and offensive rebound on every possession

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and never ever will a team get more offensive rebounds then the opposing team gets defensive rebounds. that thought should have never popped up in your head. the fact that you even thought that says a lot

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    I’m sorry, was this conversation about expiring contracts or rebuilding? Vince Carter wasn’t traded for expiring contracts, just low-level building blocks. Same with Ray Allen. What the hell are you talking about Tavoris?
    Allen Iverson was considered a low risk, high reward player. He came in to HELP THE TEAM FIRST and if he couldn’t, then he would be used as an expiring contract.

  • J

    they’ve given up too early on Harris because of 1. their current situation which would likely result to… number 2. the John Wall sweepstakes and.. 3.the big growth of Brook.. also the pair of bron and Rudy gay won’t work. and a Miami-nets deal sounds good. Harris for haslem+picks? or Harris+yi for b-easy+another player? maybe Miami is giving up too much on both scenarios, but Harris i think is more capable of carrying the team with wade rather than Beasley.

  • wrong hoop ricky

    @Jukai Vince Carter was most definitely traded for expiring contracts. Alston is a FA after this season and courtney lee makes 1.2 mill a year (third least on the nets). just because the nets gained 1 “low-level building block” doesnt mean that they werent making the trade to dump salary. thats the nature of the nba at this point, there are the contenders who take in big salaries (shaq/mo,ray/kg,vince,pau,etc.) they can afford the luxury tax because they SELL TICKETS. and theres the teams who dump their salaries in hopes of gaining a good draft pick by losing or scoring an upcoming FA.

  • C-mac

    To Miami for Haslem and Chalmers? maybe Cook?
    I don’t know if it’s really worth it for them though with Alston and Arroyo already filling out the point guard duties.

  • Bookdrop

    Who needs John Wall when you have Devin Harris.
    And New Jersey Nets might not win the 2010 Draft Lottery.

  • flash

    no way we’re giving up haslem and chalmers for a broken ass devin harris!

  • rav

    salary dump here?

  • http://slamonline.com NUPE

    It’s hard to think Bron would end up with NY or NJ next year. I think he understands his best chance at a ring will be to stay in Cleveland IF the cavs make a significant acquisition. Big Z and Shaq both have contracts coming off the books and the Cavs core (except Bron) are in place for the next 2-3 seasons. This gives them some space to both give Bron a max deal and make another significant signing. Going to NY or NJ would be a step backwards from where he is now. The entire thing is really in Cleveland’s hands to show that they are serious and committed – which may mean that they have to go further over the luxury tax – but they can afford too. Bosh or Amare are not likely to want to leave for significantly less money, but for a legit chance at a ring they may be willing to consider a deal in Cleveland. Gay is another player Cleveland will look at. The Cavs have the ability to pay Bron more than anybody else, provide him just about the best chance for a ring and have the ability to sign another big-time player. Assuming they do all these things, there is no reason for Bron to leave. The argument that he needs the bigger market of NYC doesn’t really make any sense either considering the Chinese own part of the team and will be showing a lot of Cavs games there.

  • tavoris

    @Jukai-this conversation was completely different (rebuilding)until nbk drug a separate conversation into this one. Sorry 4 the confusion.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think Tavoris has a very good point on the offensive rebounding thing. Most great offensive rebounding teams are teams that dominate on the inside in general. Typically they have a big man or slasher that demands attention from the opposing team, which leaves tons of rebounds available on the weakside. Now, long jumpers can lead to offensive rebounds, from the little I’ve seen that’s an isolated thing. Most offensive rebounds come from big man cleaning up mistakes and missed shots. Look at the Iverson Sixers.
    NBK and Tavoris, y’all need to chill on the d*ck waving. Neither of you is always right, neither of you is always wrong. I think that both of you have legit points at different times. This whole tit-for-tat where the two of you claim the other guy is a complete imbecile about basketball is stupid. And tedious.

  • tavoris

    ^you are 100% correct. It’s pointless 2 go back & forth like that. I’m gonna just ignore dude from now on

  • http://aaronlim_11@yahoo.com laker

    harris to lakers haha

  • BigBen

    They should trade for some experience, not get rid of what good they got. Him and Lopez could destroy the whole Association in 3 years time with their versatility in a pick & roll half court base.

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