Post Up: Clips, What’s Up!

No worries James The B. I actually got confused for a sec when i was writing that shots comment. Then it clicked.

Don’t talk to me about genocide Teddy.
Just.. don’t.
You’re calling me a ‘Western media puppet’ – but are you any different?
No doubt those newspapers are going to be biased. What about China? Of course, the image they are going to project is shiny and clean. But, are you more likely to find ‘truth’ and an unbiased opinion from a Western author, or from somewhere else?
Where do YOU get your information from? How can you truly call me a hypocrite, when it seems your railing against established ideas – ideas, that haven’t been disproved or denied by the Chinese govt?

Not to interrupt your spirited historical/ethical argument guys, but Hursty? Can you let me know your Twitter name again? Can’t seem to find you there. Please continue.

Fine, ONE more thing after that:
You really can’t connect the dots on why I would bring up the Maori and other indigenous peoples of Australia/New Zealand? My point is, you have no weight in bringing up human rights abuse without proper evidence, knowledge, or experience, especially when your OWN nation has been doing even worse to certain people. In other words, you’re a huge hypocrite. As are many other harsh critics of China.
It amuses me that you continue to argue when you don’t even have legitimate points! You’re a real piece of work, my friend. Alright, see ya later… Unless I’m tempted to post again.

@Darksaber – HurstySYD – add me and I’ll know, then I can follow you ha.
@Teddy – You’re making points about MY history without any valid proof. Damn son, you should know better than that. Tell me – do you have any knowledge of your family e.g. their names, ages, marriages after your grandparents? From either side of your family, doesn’t matter which. I’m curious.
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I never denied that Canada has made, HUGE mistakes – did I? Correct me if I’m wrong. But the point I was trying to make was that China has made more … errors regarding the treatment of it’s people and other cultures than Canada has. And you’ve given me an extensive list on the wrongs committed by Canada (valid), and admitted that China has made mistakes, but do you think if I was to simply google ‘China human rights abuses’ the list wouldn’t be longer – or at least as damaging?
(Naturally though, I assume that since the google search would be produced from Western media.. it would be invalid as I see only in black and white images).

@Teddy: Proroguing parliament to shut up human rights abuse concerns days before the big Olympic stage lights up in Vancouver. There’s some irony and hypocrisy going on here, huh, my friend?

Hursty, this is getting repetitive, but I’ll say this: ALL countries have darker sides to their history. That’s the point I’m trying to make. When you’re trying to complain about China, look in your own freaking backyard first.
Strange though: China has never had institutional slavery in the last 300 years as far as I know. Can the same be said about the Western World? Hmm… I wonder.
This is a pointless debate. People like you insist on bashing China for everything it does. Sports schools? Really? Come on man.
And no, it is not true that in the history of Canada/United States (I’m including them too because they share a common historical ancestor), they have had less human rights violations than China. Actually, this is completely false. The worldwide extermination of the Native peoples by Europeans is the largest genocide in modern history. The subsequent treatment of Natives AFTER claiming their land is just as bad. Its really, really sad and I don’t feel too well talking about atrocities, but they can’t be downplayed.
That’s the thing: most people like you assume China is some sort of modern day Stalin-nation. It isn’t. Just because people don’t vote for the President does NOT mean human rights abuses are running amok any worse than in the West.
What it comes down to, I think, is a disdain for anything being labeled “Communist” in most capitalist nations. Although China is really quite capitalist nowadays…
Anyways, its pointless to go back and forth and point fingers and say “Your country is worse!”
And yes I do have knowledge of family before my grandparents.

In other words, the government is going from pressuring China to miraculously silent?

Sorry for posting as that other charcater, my ID changed without me noticing.
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The reason I asked about your family history is basically because I don’t have one except for a single great-grandmother.
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Just like every other country though Teddy, China has had clear class divisions with peasantry and aristocracy and serfs etc etc. Historians can trace that back dozens of centuries, so there’s inequality there – just like in feudal England, France, everywhere else.
However I think I’m correct in saying China has retained those divisions more strongly over the last 150 years than Australia.. or Canada.. or basically anywhere else.

China may not have outright slavery (which is great), but the class divisions make that (almost) irrelevant. People living as franklins or servants for generations with no hope of climbing the cursus honourum.
I’m not ignoring the origin of White Settlement in Australia – we were convicts. Duh.
But the original point was about China – not Australia, or even Canada (which I brought up).

@Teddy: Yes, Harper’s suspending parliament so that the people criticizing him and MacKay and his party for their responsibilities in torturing detainees in Afghanistan can’t do so while the Vancouver Olympics is on. All this while he champions human rights issues halfway across the globe. We have to get our act together here in Canada first before we start pointing fingers. I’m not saying or condemning anyone or country here. It’s just that we shouldn’t throw stones since our slate isn’t that clean.

Yeh, it is bullsh*t. I agree.
Like you said though, China is working through it’s problems, as I imagine the US/Canada/other countries are.
Australia has reconciliation day, and it’s part of the national education curriculum to study Australian history, especially in HS.
In 2008, our PM apologised on national television to the stolen generations, it’s on youtube.
(national television appearances by the govt. here are very, very rare, maybe once every half-decade, which shows the significance of the action).
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The reason, I think for the U.S, Australia etc not condeming one-another is simple. Australia needs the military protection and economic benefits of the U.S – we are effectively lap-dogs.
America needs the stablisation Australia provides in the Pacific, especially around Indonesia, and the increasing radicalisation of the governments there are a major concern. 1. religion. 2. culture. 3. military.
Basically, it’s in neither’s best (or even general) interests to sh*t in their own nests.
Other foreign countries such as Turkey, UAE are reluctant to.. point out.. the inequalities in the US because of obvious reasons. Same goes with Britain, but their reasoning is different.

Well, we can agree on something then, H and Joel. I agree with both your recent comments. And I do think its good that governments are finally owning up to the past. Anyways, it was a long, but worthwhile discussion. Its safe to say that politics are a huge mess worldwide. No hard feelings.

Teddy and Hursty should get a room.