Friday, January 29th, 2010 at 8:00 am  |  49 responses

Rethinking Rivalry

It takes 12 to tango.

by Pardeep Toor

In less than a month the NBA has subjected its fans to the Cavaliers versus the Lakers … err … Kobe vs. LeBron twice and both times little was learned about either player or team.

The Christmas day game was a slaughter barely worth watching and last Thursday affirmed common knowledge that LeBron is the best basketball player alive, maybe ever; just based on his intangibles and skill set (Jordan could never run over and past players at the same time).

The networks feverishly marketed Kobe vs. LeBron as a clash of pre-historic titans, demi-Gods of the game colliding for worldly supremacy. It’s nothing of that sort. LeBron, right now, is better than Kobe has ever been. But Kobe’s been around longer, has played on much better teams and has the history and hardware that keeps him in the conversation. From a statistical, basketball, Kobe Bryant & LeBron Jamescasual, hardcore perspective – it’s not even close. LeBron is a dominant specimen of humanity who, ring or no ring, already stands at the top of the basketball mountain. Not the mountain of greatness but just pure talent and dominance. Nobody, past or present, is in the same realm as LeBron.

Kobe vs. LeBron is a fabricated argument that has no real basis outside of fans’ biases. The two have only met a handful of times, judging from the Olympics they seem like decent friends or acquaintances, possess mutual admiration for each other and externally they equip complacent personalities that ridicule serious feuds or in Kobe’s case – ingest them to the point of scowling (no idea what Hedo Turkoglu did to Kobe in the finals to earn his frown).

Most importantly, Kobe vs. LeBron is not a rivalry. They appear in puppet commercials together which hardly constitutes the paradigm of good versus evil or hero versus villain – that’s just cute. A rivalry requires more than two players who are recognized internationally by their first names alone; it requires tensions between teams, bitterness, defeat, anger, disappointment, resentment – emotions that are almost impossible to muster in just two meetings a year.

But the NBA chooses to market the individuals over the teams and that’s why Tracy McGrady (almost) and Allen Iverson are competing for starting gigs in the All-Star game well past their primes. McGrady has few unique moments or games in his career that distinctly set him apart from a decent number of good players at the beginning of the decade. Yet advertising him in the early 2000s as one of the greats engraved his image which has now transformed to a nostalgia for splendor and accomplishment that was never real. The unconscious impact of advertising defies time and common sense. The same thing is happening with LeBron vs. Kobe – it’s being touted as something much larger than it actually is and unfortunately it might be historically revered as an era by the All-Star voting fan base.

So what is a rivalry?

Let’s me try to explain my definition through the only three examples of rivalries I can think of this season:

Boston Celtics/Atlanta Hawks: There’s something metaphorical about the Hawks finally overcoming their 2008 playoff nightmare and beating the Celtics in Boston this yPaul Pierce & Al Horfordear. The Hawks are all grown up. The feud between these teams dates back two years when Zaza declared nothing to be easy, Al Horford laid out the gospel to Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett got a taste of his own douche-baggy-ness from Pachulia. The individual moments in that series carried over to last season but not until this year have the two been on the same plane on the court. There’s excitable energy between the two in regular season games – the Hawks treating each meeting as opportunity for playoff vindication while building their emotional capital for a potential playoff series when they must face and overcome their Celtics-demons, again, when it counts.

Los Angeles Lakers/Denver Nuggets: With the Lakers hogging the national spotlight and Kobe needlessly killing himself in the regular season by averaging 22-shots a game (Relax Kobe – throw it into the post to Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, it’s only games 45 through 82 – save yourself) – the Nuggets are quietly much stronger this year than they were last. Ty Lawson absolved Chauncey Billups’ defensive duties on smaller point guards, the big man rotation of Nene/K-Mart/Anderson can match-up with Bynum/Gasol/Odom in a seven game series and Melo might be the only player in the Western Conference who can match Kobe, bucket-for-bucket, in the fourth quarter a playoff game. Like any Billups-led team in the last eight years, the Nuggets don’t lack confidence and are invariably closer to cocky and certain about their collective effort than humble and indecisive (carrying over Billups’ leadership style from Detroit). Melo vs. Kobe is a backdrop to two teams who are equitable in talent and performance and are on a collision course to meet in the conference finals again this year.

Cleveland Cavaliers/Atlanta Hawks: This match-up graduated to a rivalry this year after the home-and-home the two teams had earlier this month. Both games that Atlanta should have won but lost in the fourth quarter, solely because of LeBron. Last year, the Cavaliers swept a depleted Hawks team in the playoffs but this year – the gap has closed. The Hawks possess an army of healthy swing men they can throw at LeBron – Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Maurice Evans – while having the ability to match him bucket-for-bucket on the offensive end with Jamal Crawford and Johnson. Their two games in January were probably the most intense games of the year so far and the heartbreak of two fourth-quarter losses by the Hawks temporarily stunted their leap from “arriving” to “arrived.”

In all three cases, the teams have faced each other in the playoffs at least once in the past two years, the cores of the teams have remained in tact and the individual vendettas enhance the narrative rather than being the focal point. The days of one-on-one rivalries in the NBA have long past. Now, it takes 12.

Based on my criteria or your own, are there any rivalries in the League right now that I missed?

Pardeep Toor is the co-founder of It’s Just Sports where he gets philosophical about basketball. Follow him on Twitter.

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  • james

    wow
    i’ve just read the first two lines paragraphs of this article and i cant bear to read any more
    get
    off
    lebrons
    dickkkkkkkk

    i cant believe as a basketball journalist you actually just said lebron was better than mj.
    wow

  • Sizzle

    @James he didn’t exactly say that, He said he may be the best ever and then just used that example to put him on the Jordan level. Now I am not saying LeBron is better than MJ, but I would have to agree that his skill set is at or above that of Jordans. The main difference between LBJ Kobe and Jordan is that Kobe and Jordan are winners. If LeBron had the same amount of rings as Kobe/Jordan the debate wouldn’t spark so much controversy.

  • Ben

    Wilt would’ve crush Lebron, blocked him multiple times a game, dunked on his head and slept with his girlfriends, past an present.

    Lebron will never have a 50ppg/25rpg/48.5mpg season

  • http://www.behindtheback.webeden.co.uk Sam Raphael Chadwick

    James is not the best player ever he is just a unique physically gifted person however I dont think he could defend MJ in his day MJ was just too good, and as Ben above said Wilt would easily contain him post him up and dunk on his ass

  • http://www.nottherealmelvinely.com melvin ely

    it’s an interesting approach to what defines a rivalry nowadays, but I fear the first five paragraphs are going to reel in a lot of hate. Not sure if that’s what you intended in getting across.

  • Kadavour

    LeBron is the most athletically gifted player ever. not the most talented or skilled. stop that. His ability to put his shoulder in a defenders chest thereby rendering them helpless lends to the way defenders give him about 3ft of separation to prepare for his drive. when that happens he has an open jumpshot. so while his jumper has improved drastically and is a lot more balanced, he still hasn’t been impressive where contested jumpers are concerned. Take Melo for instance, it doesn’t matter where you are on him, its going in. Same with Chauncey, Ray Allen, Ben Gordon, sh!t even Eric Gordon. I can name names all day. Bron’s dexterity and handling ability at his size is also unmatched, so most SF’s are easily over-powered, and players who do match up to him size-wise like say, Carlos Boozer (6’8 260-270), can’t even dream of having the agility to deal with this man. So LeBron’s advantages are mostly physical, they aren’t due to some revolutionary skill set never before seen in the L. “The boy do got a crazy dime game though.” His court vision and passing ability stands above most, regardless of position, everything else, not so much. They’re pretty much gifts of athleticism and not skill.

  • http://www.yahoo.com Logues

    i agree that brons ability to score and dominate just by driving past guys and getting layups and dunks is prolly the best ever, but i dont think that can win a championship. the difference is jordan could dominate by doing post up fadeaways all game even tho the defender knew it was coming, just couldnt stop it, plus he could take it to the hole, etc. bron is getting a better outside shot, but i think to win a chip against the best teams just beating guys to the basket and trying to “run over and past players at the same time” all game just wont get it done. brons post game and outside shooting compared to mjs isnt even close to the same level.

  • http://www.yahoo.com Logues

    sorry i may have started another stupid argument about comparing whos better, but i just wanted to give my opionion. my bad

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    I can’t finish this article lol.

  • Robert

    Who the hell is Pardeep Toor? God, how biased can you be?

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    I’m gonna pretend that Slamonline some how got hacked and that is how this got posted.

  • Peter

    Jordan never went over and through people?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8M2NgjvicA …check no’s 5 and 2 on here.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    lol Brad!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Please stop talking.

  • LA Huey

    I’m going to ignore the first few paragraphs because it appears so biased/miscommunicated that it has to be trolling. But onto the rivalries…Hawks-Celtics is a good one. There’s animosity and both recognize each other as a threat. With Lakers-Nuggets there’s some hate but I feel like the Lakers are sure that, at the end of a 7-game series, Denver starts their vacation. I don’t sense any animosity between the Cavs-Hawks. And Cleveland looks at ATL the same way LA does Denver.

  • T-Money

    Cleveland and LA don’t get hyped up to play Atl and Denver. That’s just not true.

  • T-Money

    Bron-Kobe is not a valid debate right now. If you’re talking career achievements, it’s not close. Kobe all the way. If you’re talking about who’s the player in 2010, it’s not close either. Bron, right now, is a better scorer, passer, rebounder and defender than the 2010 version of Kobe Bryant.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    There are 5 things that LeBron James is better at than Kobe Bryant right now. 1. He’s a better finisher at the basket. 2. He’s better at running down fast breakers and swatting their shots off the backboard. 3.He’s a better dunker, at this point in their careers. 4.I guess you can say he’s a better rebounder since he’s 6ft. 9in. and 260lbs. but Kobe iss a 2 guard and he just grabbed 16 the other night at the age of 30 so… 5. Ummm…he has a lot of endorsements? Just because someone puts up bigger numbers than someone else doesn’t mean that they are superior in skill to that player. Unless we’re talking about Fantasy Basketball and not the actual league. In that case LeBron is God.

  • http://slamonline.com ujangapri

    Bron’ is a better athlete than Jordan, but Jordan is a better basketball player. Just how many guys you think that can run like a point guard while having a power forward frame? It’s steroid science i told you.

  • A.

    6. He’s a better passer. 7. He’s generally regarded as being a better teammate. 8. He has a higher 3 point percentage. 9. He shoots at a better percentage. We can go on, but it would not make any sense. I would think the writer said those things at the beginnning to grab your attention.

  • lexluther703

    Its so funny to see all the kobe-humpers hating on this one. LeBron James is better than kobe bryant in 2010, and comparing kobe at 25 to LeBron at 25 is not even close. People point to Kobe’s rings, 3 of which were won playing with the most dominant player of all time in his prime, while lebron has only played with one other ‘all star’ in MoWill. The point is, kobe’s always played on dominant teams, and while he is the best scorer of all time, hes nowhere near the teammate or all around basketball player that LeBron is. And for the fools up top who say lebron has no ‘skill’, being 6’9″ 260 with an insane handle, shot blocking ability, and rebounding ability (averaging 8 boards a game when you play on the wing?), thats the definition of skill. LeBron is only 25, and he has 6 or 7 more years in his prime, so the championships will come. Kobe is top 5 of all time, but LeBron is the best NOW, and WILL be the best ever. Sorry to drop real talk on ya’ll bronbron haters but it had to be done.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Top Rivalries:
    Gilbert Arenas vs. Delonte West
    Sheed vs. Technicals
    Big Baby vs. Cheeseburgers
    Greg Oden vs. Virgins

  • Kadavour

    @ Lexclutehr703: insane handle = Deron Williams, Jamal Crawford, Steve Nash, Dwayne Wade etc. He has GREAT handles for his size and its an awesome complement to his speed, but LeBron hasn’t showcased any above average handles (position notwithstanding). LeBron defends closer to the rim so his rebounding #s are going to be better than most 2 guards. Again, his shot blocking “ability” is a direct result of his athleticism. See Josh Smith if you want to reference shot blocking ability with someone of comparable athleticism. Smith takes it to centers and power forwards STRAIGHT UP. LeBron gets chase down/weak side blocks. Heck, Dwayne Wade is a better shot blocker than LeBron. I’m not saying he’s not the best baller in the league now, I’m saying his greatness is by and large a result of athletic ability and not basketball skill.

  • fizzballs

    Lol @ Anton.

    There are a lot of words that could describe this article, I think I’m gonna go with “disgusting”. Bron has no actual skill set, but he’s incredibly big and agile, so he can bulldoze past nearly anyone, which leads to big numbers. I think D-Wade has more fundamental skill than LeBron, but he is smaller and less powerful, plus he was injured for a few years. Don’t get me wrong, LeBron is an amazing thing to watch, but as for best complete player in the NBA, Kobe is that, right now.

  • Robert

    It’s funny how people forget how magnificent Kobe was during the first two months of the season before all the injuries. Now they keep saying that the 2010 version of Kobe is watered down already. Then they keep saying Lebron is the better scorer now just because he made jumpers in the 4th quarter against the Lakers. Its just one game and you already crown him as the best scorer? If there’s anyone who can challenge Kobe as the best scorer its Carmelo Anthony not Lebron.

  • rob

    Just what we needed, another media member who is kissing Lebron’s @ss. No sir, Lebron is not better than Kobe ever was, as an athlete yes, as a basketball player no. Those intangibles you mentioned? you don’t even understand what you’re talking about. And I won’t even get into that “Jordan could never run over and past players at the same time” crap.

    Oh I see you are mentally challenged and Slam was nice enough to let you write a column. Nice gesture Slam, but please stop it.

  • Jacob (from Australia)

    So LeBron’s athletic ability and his size should work against him? Does anyone realise how much bigger Wilt was than his opponents back in the day? Basketball is made up of scoring, rebounding, passing, defense and a few other intangibles. At THIS POINT IN TIME, LeBron is better than Kobe at all of these. Scores more, passes a heck of a lot more, rebounds more, defense can be seen as a tie (Kobe offers that great man to man presence while LeBron always lurks in the passing lanes and has become a stronger inside presence). Then LJ shoots a higher percentage from three AND the field. If he dunks it more often than Kobe, so what? That’s his game and that’s how he scores. 2 points for a dunk, 2 points for a 20-foot fadeaway, which one would you choose if you were 6’8, 250? Kobe’s injured at the moment so he is clearly not in his prime, but playing with a finger broken in two places (which apparently is fine because it’s ‘impossible’ to do more damage) seems a little stupid to me. Especially while shooting 22 shots a game. Maybe come in, dish the ball a bit more and let Bynum and Gasol go at it. If you watched Cavs games lately, that’s what LeBron has been doing, racking up the assists and letting Shaq go to work. Please, it’s not even an argument in the NBA of 2010.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Hold on, I’m not the world’s biggest Mike Jordan fan but LeBron is NOT “maybe” the best ever. He’s not the best ever PERIOD. He’s not even the best NOW.
    Mike and Wilt are still the two best players of all time.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    However, your rivalries listed were very good, Pardeep.

  • Hoodsnake

    Um so who would you want on your team right now? Thought so.

  • Hoodsnake

    Um so who you want on your team right now? Thought so.

  • Hoodsnake

    Oops

  • fizzballs

    Hoodsnake: Uh, Kobe.

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    he has aaron brooks speed in a karl malone body with steve nash court vision, josh smith athleticism and a good handle. I THINK THIS IS UNHEARD OFF. hes dominant like kobe can not be, but fundamental technique basketball, manba hands down!

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    mamba i meant, its obvious, thing is bron can work his way into kobe´s skill until he beomes 31 like kobe and then…look the f#ck out!

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    co-sign kadavour. and anton is my favorite poster ever. max airington is funny when he says stop talking now

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    I was unaware of the “common knowledge” that LeBron is the best player alive and maybe ever, or that no one past or present, is “in his realm”.
    @Pardeep Toor – You make Ryan Jones look like a LeBron hater.

  • zabba

    GET. OFF. LEBRON’S. DICK.

  • http://Slamadamonth.com Mvp23100

    Its not an argument lebron is better than kobe hands down the reality is bron can get 6 rings and he still may not be as good as mj another reality is the greatest player of all time MJ took 7 years to get a ring so theres a natural process of maturity obviously so stop saying he cant win a ring these are the forst two years he had a decent team its funny because in 90 when mike was in his first finals vs the lakers he was obviously the best in the league but magic had 5 rings on la there was this same stupid argument we wont know the lbj vs mike outcome until hes but bron vs kobe is no longer a argument

  • Hoodsnake

    @ fizzballs: guess its true what Clint Eastwood said, Opinions are like a**holes, and more often than not they stink.

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    good sh1t anton

  • kudos

    Lebron’s ability to lower his shoulder into every defender around the basket WHILE still not being called for the offensive foul is amazing in itself. Has anyone seen the “nba where amazing happens commercials??” They (nba) can’t even find one clean video of lebron NOT traveling or committing an offensive foul. It’s laughable.

  • Ben Flook

    I think that when the play offs come around we will see that Kobe is still the best player in the L. People handing Lebron the mvp award already are ignorant. (For example NBA.com’s ‘the race’). Also people saying that Lebrons skill set is ‘at or above Jordans’ need to be more specific. Physical skills yes, but basketball skills i dont think its that close.

  • http://Slamadamonth.com Mvp23100

    Why aint it close there are skills that lebron has and michael doesnt theres NO skills kobe has that michael doesnt have for example lebron is a better passer than mike

  • Ben Flook

    I think thats arguable, although i would give the nod to Lebron. I wasn’t comparing Kobe to Jordan just Lebron to Jordan, as i didn’t read any posts saying that ‘Kobe’s skill set is better than Jordans’ at least not in this article. Like i said when it comes to basketball skills i don’t think they can be compared. Lebron is able to do so many things because of his athletic gifts, which obviously he shouldn’t be penalised for, but they shouldn’t be confused with fundamental basketball skills.

  • therighttoremainsalient

    Robert Posted: Jan.29 at 11:37 am
    Who the hell is Pardeep Toor? God, how biased can you be?
    _
    Are they two different questions?
    _
    Pardeep is the young upstart sports writer who penned this article and I don’t think God is biased…. but he has been a fan of ‘fundamentally sound’ basketball teams for a long time…

  • chintao

    Why doesn’t Orlando have any rivals? Is Dwight just too smiley to hate? Alos, do the rivals need to be successful? Knicks/Nets remains fascinating (like a slow-motion train wreck) to me.

  • no id

    I thought this was about team rivalries, not about is Lebron this or that…damn

  • Joe King

    “LeBron is a dominant specimen of humanity who, ring or no ring, already stands at the top of the basketball mountain. Not the mountain of greatness but just pure talent and dominance. Nobody, past or present, is in the same realm as LeBron.”

    Dude, are you kidding?

    Wilt’s 61 Season, Oscar’s 63 Season, Wilt’s 66 Season, Kareem’s 71 and 72 Season, Bird’s 86 Season, Jordan’s 88 Season, Jordan’s 91 Season, Hakeem’s 94 Season, Shaq’s 00 Season, and Kobe’s 05 Season.

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