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Friday, March 5th, 2010 at 9:00 am  |  154 responses

The Post Up: Dwyane’s World

At least in Miami.

by Holly MacKenzie / @stackmack

Kobe. Dwyane. Kobe. Dwyane. Kobe. Q. Rich. Yeah.

Did you all see the early game on TNT last night? After the slow, slow start it ended up being one of the best of the season. With Miami winning 114-111 in overtime. After the Lakers had won in LA thanks to a buzzer beating heave that Kobe Bryant called the luckiest shot of his career, Dwyane got some help from Quentin Richardson and was able to get the best of Kobe and the Lakers in his house.

18.7 seconds left in the game and Kobe drives the lane to be called for an offensive foul as Jermaine O’Neal steps in the take the charge. To be honest, I was shocked the refs would make that call at that juncture of the game, but they felt JO was there and Kobe turned it over. From there, the Heat were in the driver’s seat and were finally able to shut the Lakers out down the stretch after four minutes of non-stop scoring from both teams in OT. While Dwyane and Q got them there and JO had the charge that turned the tide for Miami, it was Carlos Arroyo who clinched the game with free throws down the stretch.

The game was a battle with 31 lead changes and 19 ties. The 31 lead changes is a league-high for this season.

Q finished with seven 3-pointers.

The game was just damn fun for any NBA fan to watch. TNT gets the good ones. Always.

The late game saw the Suns at home against the Jazz and you kinda knew that the Suns were going to find a way to lose again on TNT Thursday right? Even when they led throughout, you could feel the Jazz comeback. Down 13 late, Utah came all the way back and picked apart the Suns, coming away with the 116-108 road win. Carlos Boozer had 15 and 15 and Deron Williams scored 27 points and dished nine assists. Mehmet Okur added 24 points as the Suns wasted a 30-point performance from Amare Stoudemire. Steve Nash had 14 points and 15 assists (but seven turnovers) and Jason Richardson scored 22 in the loss.

In Chicago, the Bulls fell to the Grizzlies, 105-96 thanks to another monster night from Zach Randolph who had 31 points and 18 rebounds as all five Memphis starters finished in double figures. The Grizz outrebounded Chicago 46-31 and shot 52 percent from the floor for the game. Memphis won despite trailing by 17 points in the second quarter. Derrick Rose scored 20 points, two of them on an insane dunk over Randolph. I wanted him to win the game just for that dunk alone. After the game, Randolph admitted that Rose, “got him good.”

Saying it again: Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose for Dunk Contest 2011. Please. Please. Please.

By the way, it’s Friday Another one in the books. The race to the postseason is here. Can you feel it? I most certainly can. One more thing: Jarrett Jack has been waiting to make the playoffs his entire life. He’s 23 games away. I really, really want to see him in the postseason. The guy loves this game as much as anyone who is in this league. It’s time he plays in the postseason as opposed to attending games to support his friends in the league. Enjoy your weekend, everyone!

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  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Q Rich with 7 3′s!! That is always a bad sign. But I must say one thing. Kobe’s shot is butter!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    And FTR, Kobe had that OFFENSIVE foul called on him, and not ONE complaint. So no hate today!!!

  • jumpman3224

    Phenominal game last night. Wade was great. His shooting percentage wasnt worth bragging about but he was dynamic in getting to the rim and setting people up. With all of the LBJ/Kobe talk he really doesn’t get enough love. Kobe played a helluva game. He was extremely clutch and really displayed his offensive repatoit(sp?). He looked great passing out of the post up and setting up teammates (although his assist numbers werent high because of missed shots and hockey assists). In OT when MIA started doubling Mamba his teammates didnt hit shots, that will have to change if they want to repeat. I wish Bynum was to a point were PJAX trusted him more late in games because when he is in, defenses have to play drives differently. Although to be honest I don’t know what Laker you take off the court to get him in.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Jumpman – He doesn’t get enough love because he has checked out this season. Other then that I co-sign!!

  • jumpman3224

    Great moment last night: Pip gives Ron love after the latter rips DWADE late. Although, maybe Pip should’ve walked on the court and shot Ron’s FTs.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    I am soooooo mad! i turned the game off because I was sure we’d lose to the Lakeshow. This season has depressed me on so many levels, I just didn’t want to subject myself to watching Dwyane play his heart out only to lose another game. So, yeah, I missed this one. I’ll see if I can find it in the archives tonite.

  • Joey

    The Miami L.A. game was one of the best Ive seen lately I was sitting on the edge of my seat pretty much the whoe 4th and standing up in OT. D. Wade had an amazing game as did Kobe but once the charge was called I was pretty sure it was over with the way both teams were scoring back and forth on every possesion in OT. Its true Nightmares dont sleep.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Especially since he only plays his heart out every third game or so.

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    its the 15 times traded, in the last 6 mounths, Q´s WORLD!!…kob dominated the first minutes of OT in an amazing way, beautifull to see really. Udonis Haslem is prolly the most unnoticed clutch performer and to Eboy: youre an Heat fan right? If I remember correctly you allways hate on Arroyo, hes a good backup, like Chalmers and Skip. 3 backups?! lol, Flash needs a starting material PG. also, how´bout the game clinching freebies from Arroyo, Wade should shoot better from the line.

  • http://Slamonline.com Mvp23100

    @cheryl
    nba tv will replay it good game in mia though entertaining I personally hate watching utah games i always nod off especially when their playing other westcoast teams

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    and Gasol played like sh1t!(and i love his game),so did BEasy..Artest seems to be starting really Defending the fuc k up, he just dont have speed anymore..Can someone tell me why a smalish PF like Z-Bo gets 89 rebounds/game with AS ABOUT THE SAME OOPS AS THE GREAT DRE MILLER?! Z-Bo is fu(kin gangsta, only if LaMarcus had that knack for boards dominance..sigh.

  • http://slamonline.com MooButter

    Kobe’s jumper was pure at the end last night. Great to watch. Free throws did the Lakers in though.
    As far as Holly’s comment about being surprised an official would make a charge call at that point of the game: A charge is a charge whether it’s the first 5 seconds of the game or the last. Call it fair and as you see it. The time on the clock should not influence an official one way or the other.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    That’s very noble MooButter, but we all know ref’s USUALLY let the players decide the game in the final minute or so.

  • http://slamonline.com MooButter

    And I think the players did decide. Kobe drove right at O’neal and he was ready for him. The right call was made. Not calling fouls in late game situations usually gives the defense an unfair advantage that they don’t get the rest of the game at a pivotal point.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm….Sporting Blazer……I don’t dislike Arroyo (except for his nonsense jersey popping when the Puerto Rican team beat the USA a few years ago)matter of face, I like him as the full-time starter. He doesn’t make too many mistakes with the ball and his mid-range game is butter. He’s just a little undersized and not a great defender, but it’s better than the alternative (for the moment, until Skip get’s his head out of his ass).

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Hi James.

  • ujangapri

    I’m having some hate for Bynum at the moment, everytime someone pass him the ball late in the game, he turns it over, and i became sure after watch this game.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Bynum has such robotic moves and horrible footwork, yet he’s really productive in his minutes. His arms are SOOOOOOOOO LOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNGGGGG and he has a nice touch, but besides that, he fouls way too much and is no kind of defensive presence off the ball as a help defender.

  • T-Money

    When there is no clear separation between your 3 point guards, you have a problem. Just saying / I love Myles’ description of Bron’s game yesterday on twitter. He went all-out Charlie Rosen. ”A guy with no post game and no perimeter game who travels and who’s not stong psychologically”.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And here’s my one Laker insult for the day: If Pau Gasol had Udonis Halsem’s heart and grit, he could be a legend. If Udonis had Pau’s talent, he’d be an All-Star.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Agree on Pau.. Someone on twitter said he’s as soft as God’s pillow, and I think that might be selling him short.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Agree on Pau.. Someone on twitter said he’s as soft as God’s pillow, and I think that might be selling him short.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Hi Eboy. lol

  • T-Money

    Bynum’s game is tough to assess. Either he’ll beast on a smaller defender (I remember a game where he was eating Emeka alive) or he’ll get completely shut down by a big defender that won’t let him get deep position. He has a very good touch but his bas is weak and he has no hops.

  • http://www.nottherealmelvinely.com melvin ely

    wait, eboy, don’t those two hypotheticals generate the same exact person? I don’t get your point. About the game: I get where Cheryl’s coming from. The Heat have this unfortunate tendency to play up or down depending on the opposition; When they beat good teams it’s a benefit, but when they get rolled by bottom dwellers, it’s frustrating.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Thats a good insult for the day.
    Eboy, what the hell are you going to do when I stop posting here soon? You may have to retire!!

  • T-Money

    I don’t know what’s going on with Pau. Complacency? He was going much harder last year.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    C’mon James,what are they doing taking away the internet in Canada? You’ll be around. Stop your madness.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    I have a question, was Beasley injured last night? Why was he not in the game for practically the whole 2nd half? Or was it just the coach not trusting him again?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    haha not quite.
    Although my buddies home town still only has dial up!!
    April 2010-July 2011 there won’t be much from me!! So you and Bet might have to quit this for a while lol!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    My bad, apparently it was just overtime and 4th quarter. But it sure damn felt like more…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Fine, James…..whatever you’re up to, hope it goes well. niQ…..Beasley is not trusted in those situations because Spoelstra has a man crush on Haslem. Last night, Beasley on the bench didn’t cost them the game, but more times than not this season, that hasn’t been the result.

  • Bruno

    laker fan but agree with eboy

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    First of all Pau Gasol is softer than God’s pillow. And way to quote me selectively. I also said he was great and could be the Goat. But the fact of the matter is that his game and resume are still incomplete. He doesn’t have a midrange game, he shoots too many threes, and he doesn’t have the post game that someone of his skill level should. He still can’t make his FT consistently and that to me is reflective of something psychological. Why can he pull up with ease from 30 feet but he can’t make a free throw? It’s not a diss song, it’s a real song. I’ve said it a million times, so get off my d*ck and eat some breakfast first.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Eboy, get at me on facebook!!

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Now someone who is very weak psychologically is Bynum. He’s taken out of his game too easily and his post moves are quite robotic. Once he gets the ball he knows exactly what he’s doing and doesn’t deviate. He’s a black hole.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    James, I would if I knew where to look!!!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    the_big_balla@hotmail.com
    Let me know if you can’t find it.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    All things said regarding the game last night, that new Fabolous mixtape is ridiculous. Ctrl Alt Delete your life if you haven’t peeped it yet. Fearless prediction of the day: The Bucks will get the #8 seed in the East.

  • jumpman3224

    cosign eboy’s bynum assesment. He is super productive when on the floor (although some games he checks out and drops and 4 and 5 statline) and he fouls way too much and too early. His length and touch make him super intriguing. If he were on a worse team he would probably be more fully developed given the extra minutes and emphasis. If LAL can make a third straight trip to the finals and they play CLE or ORL if Bynum will get more crunch time burn to play against Superman (whichever).

  • The D Train

    Kobe, man, Kobe. When he kicks it into glory-mode and is making his shots, he is something to behold. Wade and Richardson were playing exceptional D on him and he was draining everything in sight. It’s not always a good thing, as we saw at the end of OT when Miami FINALLY started running the double at him. At that point he was forced to pass to teammates who weren’t really in the flow of the game since at least early in the 4th. That being said, he sure is fun to watch when he’s on. As an aside: Has Derek Fisher ever committed an actual foul? That midget pisses me the f()ck off.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Kobe’s smothering D held Quentin Richardson to a career-high in points.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton
  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    When i got home from work last night, I ended up watching a commercial for comcast during a show I had on. It was Shaq and Ben Stein. And they are watching T.V., switching back and forth between CSI I believe and an NBA game. And the NBA game is Dwight Howard blocking a shot lol. Is that Shaq’s way of apologizing?

  • jumpman3224

    I don’t put Q’s big night on Kobe. His role on D last nightly was clearly to roam in the first half (when Q was leading the Heat in scoring) and he added a couple 3′s in transistion. I do miss the head tap tho.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    T-money knows alllll about quoting people since he basically just quotes former slam commenter Z nonstop. So I’d check your facts Myles he seems to have credentials when it comes to taking a quote down.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I’ll say this about Kobe, he’s great but what stops him from being the greatest is his brain. Mike was not only the most skilled player of his time, but was consistently the smartest also. Kobe has it in him to be that, but he gets too caught up in himself sometimes. Which is also a problem I see with Mr James.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    If this was Facebook, I’d “like” that comment, Shia.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I concur.

  • http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:OzhW3M1GBSKkgM:http://fashionsensei.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/jackie-moon.jpg Jackie Moon

    When do the playoffs start?

  • http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:OzhW3M1GBSKkgM:http://fashionsensei.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/jackie-moon.jpg Jackie Moon

    One good thing about the loss – I can use the (correct) charging call on Kobe as an example the next time some buffoon says that David Stern makes sure Kobe gets every critical call.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    What will stop anyone from this generation or any to follow of players from being the greatest is misremembering the past.

  • Hangtime Hec

    Izzo just dropped some serious knowledge. If this was facebook I would make love to that comment.

  • http://www.twitter.com Darksaber

    Can’t lie, when Kob’s made that fadeaway against Wade with 3 clicks on the clock, i went bananas. Ba-na-nas! Anger/disbelief/shock/grudging acceptance of baller greatness. I was pretty sure LA would regroup and pull off the win in OT, then Jermaine decided to show up on D. Goaltend on Farmar, a steal, a few rebounds and the charge he took on Kobe. Nicely done, and made up a bit for all his fumbles in the 4th. Udonis made clutch jumpers too, but Kob’s started hitting jumpers like it was going out of fashion, and Flash kept on doing his thing (how he cuts into pick&rolls and leaves the 2nd defender flatfooted is ridic)… the end of the game was a great 17 minutes of B-ball

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    LOL AT Hangtime Hec

  • T-Money

    ”@bomani_jones are people who proclaim a player with no post or perimeter game that travels all the time also fools? / I thought I quoted you pretty much on the money, no? — I’ll just say this, people saying that Bron doesn’t have a post game or a mid range game haven’t seen a lot of Cavs games this year. This was very true 2 years ago and even last year. 2009-2010? Nope. His FT is not great but I wonder why we never talk about Wade’s %? There’s a lot of room to improve but can you really say that 78% is a flaw? He does take too many 3s, I have nothing to say about that. / Anyways, that’s a tired argument

  • Rob

    ” Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose for Dunk Contest 2011″ they are both awesome but the last dunk contestants killed it for me. Specially shannon.

    @Bryan are you saying Kobe and Lebron are not smart??? You must be kidding, they are two of the most intelligent players in the league. If not the smartest. Why are you putting the blame on Kobe? he did everything right against Miami. We gotta recognize Q Richardson was shooting great and Wade was just awesome, but that situation wouldn’t happen during a 7 game series, thats why the Heat win as many as they lose. This was one game. I recognize the Lakers can be lazy sometimes (a lot of times) Gasol plays like a girl, a skilled girl yes, but a girl nonetheless, but this was one game.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    That was a hyperbolic response to a hyperbolic statement and only one of a series of tweets in a reasonable and respectful convo with Krolik and Dwyer. You didnt quote those and frankly I could give a f*ck. Its a waste of time and energy. What requires very little time and energy is looking up Brons midrange game on NBA Hotspots. From left to right, inside to outside, here are his percentages around the horn: 32.6%, 38.5%, 31.6%, 51.0%, 34.5%, 35.7%, 42.7% & 40.5% Besides his shots directly at the rim-which are all presumably dunks and layups he finishes at 71.6%-he shoots above 50% from only ONE spot inside the three point line and only shoots over 40% from TWO spots. This isnt baseball. Those arent good numbers and theyre hardly indicative of a player with a post& midrange game. 78% from the line isnt acceptable for a player of his talent either. The numbers dont lie, you do. Bye.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca ciolkstar

    Myles’ Bron haterade runs deep. No credibility there. He’s like the Skip of Slamonline when it cones to Bron…

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Rob if you don’t know what I’m talking about in the first place then don’t respond to it. Dummy.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca ciolkstar

    And I think I read yesterday that Jason Terry lead the league in midrange J% a ’08 and he was shooting like 44%, So really no one makes a ton of their midrange Js. 3s are more valuable anyway. Shooting 38% from Three is like shooting 58% from the midrange. The issue there is that its hard to create for others from that far out on the perimeter, but Bron consistently excels at getting shots for others.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I say Bron has no post or midrange game, Im called a hater. I provide infallible statistical evidence proving such, Im still called a hater -with no credibility- and then Im told that midrange essentially doesnt matter anyway because threes are better. I just want to make sure Im getting this right so I can feel safe in my assumption that some of you are f*cking idiots.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    If ciolkstar’s numbers are correct and Jason Terry leads the league in mid-range percentage @ 44% and Bron’s shooting just under 39% mid-range, does that make him that horrible of a mid-range shooter? And since many of you believe Kobe is the best mid-range shooter in the game but doesn’t have the highest percentage, what is his percentages using Myles stat chart?

  • http://nationofmillions.ca ciolkstar

    You say “hyperbolic response” I say “haterade”, because there’s a long history. Over the past few years you’ve clung to every last conceivable tactic to undersell Bron, Including consistent exaggeration and overstatement. hoppdata’s shot chart is “infallible statistical evidence” that “proves” your (continued history of) hyperbolic exaggeration? GTFOH.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I don’t think he’s horrible from mid range, but he doesn’t scare me from mid ranger at all.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca ciolkstar

    http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kobe%20Bryant

    Kobe from 07-10: 10-15 ft: 28.3, 30.7, 25.9, 26.1
    Kobe from 07-10: 16-23 ft: 38.3, 32.7, 35.0, 38.1

    Cut and paste the link above to see Kobe’s midrange J%

    They’re almost exactly the same as Bron’s, a little better. But his percentages near the basket are significantly worse. And if you’re attempt to explain away Kobe’s mediocre %s from midrange by saying that Kobe shoots a lot more midrange Js than Bron. My answer would be “exactly”.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    NO statistics needed, LeBron is clearly the best player in the world. Kobe is clearly the most dangerous with any amount of time on the clock. and NEITHER are the best Mid Range Shooters in the L….and it doesn’t matter. Y? Because they are still more efficient and dominant then everyone else. and @myles – there is no sense in what your saying, its irrelevant, look at LeBron career winning %. because winning matters, shooting stats and most every stat is just a way to over-scrutinize something plainly obvious.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    If he cant provide a link or any accurate percentages then I dont give it any credibility. I will tell you what NBA Hotspots says about Kobe and Terry though:

    Kobe Bryant, left to right, inside to outside, around the horn…44.7%, 47.1%, 47.4%, 33.3%, 49.2%, 54.7%, 38.5% & 46.8%.

    Jason Terry…47.7%, 34.3%, 32.3%, 60.0%, 51.4%, 50.0%, 36.7%, 42.6%.

    Now what needs to be taken into consideration when comparing the two are the sheer volume of shots and defensive pressure faced by both players, which is obviously different. So lets look at…

    Dwyane Wade…40.6%, 37.0%, 53.5%, 45.6%, 35.7%, 20.0%, 40.9% 32.1%

    Kevin Durant…38.1%, 50.7, 41.8%, 38.8%, 29.6%, 40.9%, 37.5%, 37.5%

    Carmelo Anthony…49.2%, 31.8%, 39.5%, 40.9%, 16.7%, 33.3%, 41.8%, 39.4%

    There you go. Draw your own conclusions. Im just a hater with no credibility.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    By your estimation ciok Kedrick Brown was a good nba player because he could hit threes and dunk. Just sayin…

  • http://nationofmillions.ca ciolkstar

    @ Bryan: Because he doesn’t constantly shoot midrange Js. He cruises to the basket and destroys the rim, or nails a deep, “value added” three. Thats what you (we all) fear. I’m not saying the midrange game is generally unimportant. But Bron will develop it as he needs it more. Right now he can get wherever he wants, eff settling for midrange turnarounds.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    If winning regular season games matters so much.. You know what forget it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    You dont want him to settle for midrange turnarounds or going to the post, but you dont mind him shooting 30 footers when he can get to rim whenever he wants? Still feeling safe in my assumption…

  • http://Slamonline.com Mvp23100

    And with all the said whos the mvp again

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    “Winning matters” in reference to the guy with one Finals appearance, no wins and no rings. Still feeling safe in my assumption…

  • http://nationofmillions.ca ciolkstar

    Myles: What year are your percentages from? Or are they for their careers? And where’s your link?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    LeBron is the MVP. Now lets who’s the Finals MVP…

  • T-Money

    FROM HOOPDATA – Lebron shoots 75% at the rim, 52% from under 10 ft, 29% from 10 to 15 ft (for a whopping 1 shot a game avg) and 40% from 16-23 ft (AKA THE MIDRANGE). Kobe from 16-23? 43%. Wade? 38%. Carmelo? 37. / I saw with my eyes Bron take small forwards from Ron Artest to Corey Maggettee to everybody in between this year on the block. I see him go to his right hook from the left block every game. But let’s just pretend that he has the same postgame he had in 2007. / Can we even call Myles Brown a journalist at this point?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    The percentages are up to date from this season. I didnt provide a link because it would have to go through moderation. Just google NBA Hotspots and see for yourself.

  • http://Slamonline.com Mvp23100

    A watch him do something crazy tonite just for myles

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I dont even call myself a journalist you malicious f*cking pissant. Im a literate blogger who can accurately read and quote numbers off of a computer screen. If you dont believe me and I have no credibility then look it up for yourself.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca ciolkstar

    I didn’t say winning matters. You wanted to get into a statistical debate about proving that Bron has no midrange or post game. And once the stats didn’t really back you up you wanted us to be sure to consider the volume of the shots and the “defensive pressure” each player faces? how exactly do we do that?
    And to me shooting percentages under .500 are made worse (or even more detrimental to team performance) when the player attempts them at a higher rate.
    Bron’s percentages inside are phenomenal. Thats what he does “best” so thats what he does most. How is that a flaw? And besides, if he’s gonna shoot mid-high 30% from midrange two-pointer, why not try a mid-low 30% three-pointer ?

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Hey Z/tmoney while you’re not calling him a journalist he’s being read in the best ball mag out there,or on its website by thousands of people while you’re sitting in a tree outside Lebrons window hoping to get a glimpse of his c*ck so you can die happy.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Hey Z/tmoney while you’re not calling him a journalist he’s being read in the best ball mag out there,or on its website by thousands of people while you’re sitting in a tree outside Lebrons window hoping to get a glimpse of his c*ck so you can die happy.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Hey Z/tmoney while you’re not calling him a journalist he’s being read in the best ball mag out there,or on its website by thousands of people while you’re sitting in a tree outside Lebrons window hoping to get a glimpse of his c*ck so you can die happy.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Wow a triple post. Amazing.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    You can prove anything with FACTS. Not that they are even needed to prove that, as someone with arguably the most naturally gifted basketball body and skill set, LeBron is a pretty shoddy post player. If he even had a fraction of either Kobe or DWade’s back to the basket game, he’d be inarguably the best. Not that you f*ckers would stop arguing about it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Ciolk, I didnt say you said that. Someone else did. The stats did back up what I said, unless you think sub 40% shooting is good, in which case this conversation is even more pointless than I thought. You consider the defensive pressure a guy faces by acknowledging that Kobe is guarded a lot more closely than Jason Terry, no? Its not a flaw that Bron is the best player ever to attack the basket (Do I have credibility when I compliment him or do I just lose it when I acknowledge his faults?) but the fact of the matter is that shouldnt keep him from developing a reliable midrange game which will make him that much more dangerous. That is exactly what MJ and Kobe did and it carried them through the latter stages of their career once their athleticism faded. Id just like to see bron do the same and it hasnt happened yet. How is this hating? How does this not make sense?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Izzo, by essentially saying the same thing that I have for years, you have lost all credibility regarding LeBron James and shouldnt even be considered a journalist. Good luck with that.

  • T-Money

    Bron has been shooting 40% from midrange the last 2 years, which is right on par with every superstar wings. The post game has evolved too. That’s my gripe with some critics: they have a static assessment of players’ games. Bron USED to be horrific from midrange and clueless on the block. Not anymore in 2009/10. No, he’s not the best in the league at either of those things but he is nowhere near below-average. That’s just not true. He doesn’t LACK a midrange J or a postgame.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    After that triple post, can we even call Bryan a space-pimp anymore?

  • A.

    NBA Hotspots show me that LeBron has higher percentages than Kobe in certain areas. Higher percentages than Kobe from 3, and A LOT higher by the rim. Kobe has 3 hot spots, 3 cold and the rest neutral. LeBron has 4 hot spots (2 from 3), 3 cold, and the rest neutral. 5 areas where one shoots better from the floor is better than 4 areas. Just saying. .504 to .460. The numbers are pretty similar. Just LeBron shoots way less than Bryant so it would seem he misses more. And they don’t score in the same way. LeBron inside scores way better than Kobe anywhere. LeBron’s overall percentages are better tha Kobe’s. But you would not say LeBron is the better shooter. It’s all opinions anyway.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    MYLES LEBRON IS 25 YEARS OLD>> Michael Jordan was still getting flak for being too selfish and not being able to shoot at this age. Infact Michael was shooting 27% from 3 at that age. Since you like %’s so much, LeBron same age, 34%. MJ -1.2attempts per/ LeBron 1.8 – overcritical too early don’t you think, i mean considering, he right now is a better shooter at the same age then Michael Jordan

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Theres a reasonable comment.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    By A.

  • T-Money

    Obviously he has flaws. I hate those stupid heat checks, he shoots too many threes, he commits too many unforced turnovers with homerun passes, he concedes mid-range jumpers off the dribble (although that could be a defensive scheme of the Cavs because they run people off the 3-point line and stack the paint), he doesn’t want to pick up fouls ever so he’ll let a guy score at least once a game, he’s not a good decoy because he doesn’t ”sell” plays where he’s not the primary target. I could go on. It’s just that still saying that his midrange game and his post game are non existent is not true.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Nbk is just plain ol wrong. LeBron MAKES 1.8 per. He TAKES 5.2, which seems a bit much. Larry Bird never took that many. Reggie Miller didnt take that many until his 7th season. And neither of them can get to the rack like Bron.

  • T-Money

    I have never meant to imply that Bron is a better shooter than Kobe. The numbers (and the naked eye) do show that Kobe is a better midrange shooter. I’ve never thought that was what the debate was about.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    And before anyone asks, Jordan never even took 4 threes a game. And that was in an era where hand checking and Jordan Rules were allowed that made it even tougher to get to the basket. So for a bigger, stronger player playing in an era that doesnt allow contact to take more than 5 threes a game is just strange to me. But Im a hater.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca ciolkstar

    I liked you’re last argument until the little pity party for yourself in the last sentence. Comparing eras is futile. I bet the total average numbers of three attempted per game by ALL current/modern era players is much higher than in the days of Mike/Bird/Early Reggie. I mean, I guess he shoots “too many” but I feel like thats a weak criticism, he’s doing unprecedented things on the court.

  • A.

    @nbk: Michael at 25 was not in his 7th year in the L. Michael in his 7th year was on his way to a championship. I’m a LeBron fan, but I can even see he shoots WAY too many 3′s. Jordan at 25 was in his 3rd or 4th year. You can’t compare them at the same age. Compare them at the same stage in their career. In other words, in both their 7th years. But really though? Don’t compare them. Just appreciate LeBron’s game. Here’s to hoping he follows in MJ’s footsteps and wins his first chip in his 7th year. The day this debate ends will be the day we all realize that we’ve been idiots for having wasted time in useless conversations like these. Just enjoy the games.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Basically somebody who frequents a website then puts said website and its writers on blast daily, followed by “unfollowing” the writers twitter pages, and finally flat out saying I’m done with the website “I won’t be coming back because intelligent conversation can’t be had” , but then instead of leaving changes their handle on the website and continues to type the same, argue about the same things and basically show everyone who he is on a daily basis is calling a published writer of a basketball magazine not credible. Is that what I’m seeing? Correct me if I’m wrong T money. But where’s the credibility in that?

  • http://nationofmillions.ca ciolkstar

    And if we’re going to consider contextual evidence (how defenses guard people, etc) lets consider the one-on-five offense the Cavs have run for basically Bron’s entire career. A lot of those threes are late in the shot clock, end of quarter, or just on plain old isos. 5 seems like a lot, possibly “too many”, but in the context of his role in their offense, the rest of his game, and what he’s expected to do every night in order for the cavs to get a win, I don’t see it as a legitimate “flaw”.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    If he shoots too many threes and his midrange & post game are questionable, then all that leaves are the shots at the rim. Which no one has ever denied are unstoppable and Ive said on multiple occasions that he does it better than anyone ever has. But again, that doesnt mean that he shouldnt have to tighten up the rest of his game. He has the tools to be a PERFECT basketball player and some people treat him as though hes already achieved that. He hasnt. He is doing completely unprecedented things on the court that may never be duplicated. So why cant he shoot 80% from the line? Why is it hating to ask these questions?

  • T-Money

    Bron takes way too many 3s. Some analysts say that it’s always better to take a 3 then a long 2. I don’t really believe that. 5 threes a game is a lot when you have Mo, Boobie and AP on your team.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca ciolkstar

    And I’m starting to feel bad about the “credibility” line, but honestly I don’t think Myles is able to be objective when it comes to Bron. I just haven’t seen it. But I did not intend to question or imply that I question his “credentials” or experience as a journalist.
    Flame war got outta control here. I haven’t been around these parts in a while and don’t mean to ruffle too many feathers.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I understand that some of those shots are probably forced late in the shot clock, but that wouldnt be necessary if he had a more consistent/reliable midrange game, no? If he can get all the way to the basket, then theres no reason he cant use his size, speed, strength, quickness and handle to take a 15-20 footer instead of hoisting all those threes.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    For a guy that does what Lebron does night in and night out and hasn’t yet reached his full potential as a player and still has about 10 years left of really great basketball, I’m going to be curious to see how he’s criticized once he does win a title, because regardless of what schmucks write daily, he will win a title in his career, if not numerous ones, the way Michael did once he got a team that was at his standard of winning.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I don’t even agree that he’s doing things never seen on a basketball court.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    All Ive done in here is provide statistical evidence that Ive combined with my own observances to draw the conclusions I have. Ive never said LeBron sucks, hes not the MVP, hell never win anything, or anything else of the sort. Ive just consistently said that I think his footwork, midrange, free throws and post game need work and until theyre fixed Ill consider him an incomplete player. If people disagree with that, fine. Free country and all that. But I dont get why it has to go beyond that. Just provide a rational counter argument and Ill respect it. Promise.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i haven’t looked but and i don’t know where or have the time to find it…but if someone gets the opportunity, why don’t you compare how Frequently LeBron shoots a mid range jumpshot vs a drive to the basket…vs someone like say kobe. Because there is not ONE game this season that you can say cleveland lost because LeBron wasn’t hitting his mid range jump shot…..there are about 5 or 6 games in which Kobe almost single handedly killed his own team by shooting under 30%.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Bryan is a hater.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Bryan you have seem someone score 29 of 30? To win? In the playoffs? because that In my Experience as a fan and ball player, is doing something nobody has ever seen on a basketball court

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    When Lebron wins a title ill be the first to say congrats. He’s great, I’ve said all along my biggest problem with Lebron is with his fans who have ignore his flaws daily. Same problem with Kobe fans, they all think his sh*t don’t stink. My other problem to a lesser degree is his attitude, he comes offi like he’s already won everything. I could be wrong but that’s how I perceive his actions. And its not a knock to say Kobe Bryant is a better more fundamental offensive player than Lebron is. Its frustrating when any player with potential like Lebron has relies on athleticism for so long and works on other things later. Imagine how easy the game would be for him if he could knock down the midrange J half the time, or hit 85% of his free throws. Eboy and I had this conversation yesterday he’s scary good now and he’s only 3/4 of the way there, but its 7 years in now, I don’t care if he’s “only 25″ after 7 years these holes shouldn’t be there anymore.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    “I havent looked and I dont know where to look….but I KNOW…” Cmon son. Getthef*ckouttaherewiththatbullsh*t. If you havent looked, THEN YOU DONT KNOW.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    so Bryan your saying that everyone who has been doing something professionally for 7+ should be without flaws. so your perfect at talking right, there are no holes in your ability to enunciate words? i mean, presumably you have been talking for 15+ years, and use English as your primary language, so you clearly should not have any holes in your ability to articulate.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Anybody have slippers?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    never said i knew myles wtf are you reading

  • T-Money

    ”If he shoots too many threes and his midrange & post game are questionable, then all that leaves are the shots at the rim.” Um, want to read that again? His midrange is NOT questionable, the numbers prove that. 40% is on par with every other star wing. He shoots too many threes but still MAKES 35% which DOESN’T make him a questionable 3-point shooter. He’s the best finisher at the rim in the NBA. ALL parts of his game could be tightened up and some mroe than others. However, his shot is not questionable as in below average from any distance anymore. Cmon now.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Can I say two things?
    1) Myles DOES hate Lebron, I mean, when you get into debates that much about Lebron, you’ve got something to prove. He don’t hate Lebron personally, but he hates the love Lebron gets that he thinks is undeserved so he takes the hate out on Lebron a bit. I’m sure Myles wont deny this (hopefully). I do the same thing with Iverson, I used to do the same thing with Malone and Kemp and Stojakovic back in the day. Dem the way it works.
    2) Despite the fact that Myles has several fallacies in his logic (I’m pretty sure it was proved that Lebron isn’t a terrible mid-range shooter compared to the average shooters today… and you can see that in his game… I mean, compared to the 1970s, he’s a terrible midrange shooter, but so is everyone in the L) but MYLES IS A FANTASTIC F’ING JOURNALIST, he’s one of the best journalists on SLAM. You can have an -opinion- which many think are wrong and still be a great f’ing journalist. I wish Myles wrote more, honestly, right or wrong, because he’s a great writer.
    3) My easily summed up two cents: Lebron has developed a serviceable midrange J to the point where complaining about it does seem a little dated. Lebron still has no post game… pushing someone back then facing up doesn’t count as a post game. Lebron makes Delonte look like Hakeem the Dream. Honestly. Lebron takes too many threes but he cuts that crap out in end game situations and when he’s hot from threes, the games become blowouts, so you know what, I don’t really care. Kobe shoots over good defenses too much, Wade disappears too much, Nowitzki prefers to shoot a midrange J instead of driving, Duncan hesitates for a split second on some moves letting defenses reset… all players have flaws which are generally ignored, and I think Lebron shooting threes should be ignored too. I don’t know, it adds excitement to Lebron’s game.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    That turned out to be three things. Huh.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Lebron isn’t a questionable 3-point shooter or a good 3-point shooter. He’s streaky. He has a 35% average because sometimes he’ll hit 3-5 three point shots and other times he’ll go 1-7.
    That’s streaky.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Nbk what I have seen are his averages, I’ve seen 30 7 and 7 from several players, every single thing Lebron has done, Mike has done and done better. Sorry if that makes me stupid and I’m not comparing them , but don’t tell me his 30 7 and 7 is unprecedented. Also I didn’t say he should be without flaws but lets talk about Lebron v. Kobe since that’s essentially what this is about. Kobe at 25 was a ridiculous athlete right? What were the holes in his game? He was all league defense , I think ,andu I’m not at my computer so I can’t check this, but I -think- that was his season of 30 7 and 6 along with 2 steals nightly. His midrange game was off the hook soo if he could do it why hasn’t Lebron yet. Hell T-mac at 25 was a monster, 27 points 7 boards 5 assist type monster and he had a nasty J and athleticism to spare. I’m sorry Lebron is great but after 7 years the other preps to pros guys were more complete players, and according to everyone on this f*cking site Lebron’s talent trumps them all.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Jukai: I don’t think Myles hates LeBron. I think Myles hates mindless and thoughtless automatic fanboy fawning that LeBron receives a lot around these parts. As a LeBron fan myself, I tend to agree with him.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    So if he’s much more talented (the most talented prospect ever to be exact) why not just fix the holes? Sh*t this isn’t even about Lebron, I’m looking at Dwight Howard too. Kevin Durant at 21 is a more fundamentally soundu offensive player than a 25 year old 7 year nba vet. And if its just that he can’t do it, that he’ll just never be a shooter, and Dwight will just never be Hakeem then I’m fine with that, but stop telling me they’re the best ever, or gonna be or whatever the f*ck else. Stop saying how Lebron is doing things never seen before and stop saying he’s the most complete basketball player in the league. My assessment of Lebron is, great ball handler and passer, outstanding finisher in traffic. Tremendous body control, speed quickness and leaping all off the charts, INCONSISTENT SHOOTER FROM OUTSIDE THE PAINT , average rebounder (should be better considering his physical gifts) good but not great defender and that’s pretty much it. But some knuckleheads think he dominates every facet of the game and he just doesn’t.

  • T-Money

    Apparently, 40% from midrange is adequate for everybody besides Bron. Because that’s what they all shot except Kobe who’s a better mid range shooter than all of the other star wings (43%). Somehow though, I never hear that Melo’s, Wade’s or Durant’s midrange game is flawed even though they all shoot less than 40% (it’s on Hoopdata for everybody to see). And how was Kobe’s post game 6 years ago, since the comparison is made at 25? / I won’t even entertain the T-Mac comparison.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Izzo: Well, sometimes Izzo, all that arguing twists and turns into a general dislike for a player. I know Myles doesn’t hate Lebron as a player, nor does he not want Lebron to succeed, but he probably watches a game hoping Lebron fails to shove it to the people who argued with him.
    I know that never happens to you because you’re one of the most level-headed guys I know (and that wasn’t sarcasm despite how it reads).

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Right now? He’s a 6’9 270 pound Steve Francis.

  • T-Money

    HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Bryan: your point with Kobe is on par… dude was probably ‘more complete’ than Lebron.
    I’m just clarifying, so NBK doesn’t try and bite you in the butt (he will), that you still don’t mean that Kobe at that age was a better passer, a better driver, or a better help defender… because he wasn’t… but he was a more complete player (better shooter and better man-on-man defender making his game more overall complete).
    What I’ve seen from the majority of these arguments is exactly what happened with your kobe post… you never SAID Kobe was a better passer and help defender and had a better inside game, but it sort of read like you meant to say that. That happens a lot, especially on forums where you can’t immediately clarify what you meant, and it causes a lot of unnecessary arguments.
    T-Money: Kobe had a better post came than Lebron at 25. I don’t think that’s too debatable. Turnarounds, little scoops, spins, he didn’t use it much, but he did whenever there was a size mismatch. Recently, Baron played Lebron almost the entire game and not once did Lebron post up.
    And I’m not saying Lebron NEEDS to work on a post game. But he doesn’t really have one.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Tmoney I won’t entertain any of your comments until you change your name back to Z so f*ck off. Idiot.

  • T-Money

    Of course he is.

  • T-Money

    Jukai: But he did score 6 or 7 or baskets in the post against Maggette who’s much taller and stronger than Baron in a 4th quarter this year.

  • T-Money

    Bye

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    T-Money: And Quentin Richardson just sank 7 three pointers. I mean, you can’t look at one game and say he has post moves. Lebron pretty much backed Magette then tried and laid up a finger roll. Some of them were legitimate hooks, but many were on the fringe of just facing up. All of them were moving. I mean, yeah, he can back someone down and throw something up, but he’s not comfortable with it because he doesn’t do it often, and it’s so basic that I’d have trouble saying it gives Lebron a post game.
    He CAN go into the post and score, but I dunno… his arsenal away from the basket is really only one or two moves, and that may be why we only SEE IT every five to ten games.
    Once again though, I’m not one of those dudes who really thinks Lebron needs a post game. If he never developed it, I’d probably be fine. I think Lebron needs to become a 1, not a 4.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I agree Kobe wasn’t the same passer, but he could get to the basket and finish as well as anyone in the L. He shot more jumpers so he didn’t destroy his body though. And because its easier than fighting his way to the basket every possession. Which is why itd be nice if Bron had a J that was wet or a post game.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    and wait, Magette’s stronger than Lebron?

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Bryan: I do worry about Lebron destroying his body by driving to the basket all the time.
    The big thing I have to say is that Lebron is an infinitely better passer than Kobe. Or, should I say, have infinitely better tempo control and court vision. If Kobe sees the dude, Kobe can get him the ball, because of Kobe’s hangtime, creativity, and body control (those wrap arounds to the bigs he throws are… just artwork!)
    But I mean, I realllly wanna stress the difference in passing. Kobe is an underrated passer, but so is Lebron. Whenever they put Lebron at the 1 for Cleveland, he gets 3-8 assists in a quarter. It’s ridiculous. If people really want to save Lebron’s body, put him at the one spot! I remember having a long conversation with Justin Walsh, and we both agreed that Cleveland’s biggest mistake is making Lebron a three.
    Oh, and second point:
    Lebron will never have the midrange J that Kobe has. Kobe has one of the nicest shots in NBA history. It would be ridiculous for Lebron to strive for something like that, I mean, Kobe’s on the level of West and Barry and Bird and Jordan. I think Lebron has developed a nice midrange J, better than average, and I think it’s no longer a flaw in his game. It certainly isn’t on par with a go-to-move yet, but as you were saying it’s good enough to say Lebron is ‘well rounded’ in that area.
    At least, to me it is.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    100% agree, his vision and willingness to deliver the ball are better than Kobe at any age. I’ll get killed for saying this though, Kobe at 25 versus Lebron at 25 I’m taking Kobe. Just too versatile offensively. And a better defender. The reason I think people harp on the post and rebounding aspect for Lebron is his size man. At his size 10 boards a game should be easy. And scoring in the post should be even easier.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Bryan: I think I’d take Lebron by a smidgen, but I won’t kill you for it. Kobe is Kobe. Kobe is one of the top ten f*cking players in the history of the game. And I don’t think Lebron has overtaken Kobe at Kobe’s height yet. Lebron still has a ways to go for that. From Lebron’s progression, I do think he’ll be better, but I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion. It’s silly for anyone to say Lebron will definitely be better than Kobe. I think Kobe’s unlikable personality sometimes causes people to forget how ungodly good Kobe REALLY is. If Kobe never played with Shaq, good lord, what statistics could Kobe have piled up. Then again, he wouldn’t have had as much hardware, so it all balances out… but it’s something to think about.
    I’ll throw out my big disagreement on the board issue, but in bulleted lists, because I’m snazzy like that:
    -Lebron has a VERY big team. JJ Hickson and Varejao are 6’10. Shaq is 7’1. Ilgauskas is 7’3. Hell, even the guards are big: Moon is 6’6 and Parker is 6’8. Lebron really doesn’t tower over his teammates, and he’s dealing with a lotta competition for those rebounds.
    -Lebron plays the three. When he’s not playing the three, he’s more often playing the one. Lebron’s goal on the team is to stay at the top of the key and create, and run-out on the fast break. Mike Brown isn’t putting him in the proper position to get rebounds.
    -The cavaliers play one of the slowest paces in basketball. It’s not conducive to get rebounds.
    -Lebron is only 6’8-6’9. Sure, there are the Rodman’s and Wallace’s in the world who average 15-18 rebounds at that size, but generally, players that small just don’t average double digit rebounds. And they’re not dealing with the factors Lebron is.
    Yet Lebron is still averaging 7 rebounds a game. To me, that’s a great rebounder.
    Lebron does have the size and athletical abilities that CAN score in the post easier, but I just think it’s not as needed of a skill since Lebron should be working farther away from the basket anyway.

  • Rob

    @Bryan I got it all wrong dude

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Jesus Stuckey may have just had a seizure… poor dude… hope he’s okay

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    we own the night…and the Lakers

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Leave it to the Cavs to make Jamison a spot-up shooter. FML.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Tracy McGrady in his prime was a more complete offensive player than LeBron James. Well at least in scoring. He was always a fantastic passer too.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Wait, I’ve been wondering where the commenter Z went. Is he the same person as T-Money? I’m not trying to be funny here, I’m just wondering. They both seem like pretty knowledgeable guys, and they both like LeBron and the Cavs…

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    McGrady was NOT a more complete player. He played one side of the floor. Lebron plays both.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Ummm, that’s why I said “offensive player.”

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Yer right, my bad Teddy.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Lol no problem.
    So, do you know if T-Money is the same person as Z?

  • http://myspace.com/heislegend Bryan

    Tmac in his early years played some stellar D. Teddy it is painfully obvious T-money and Z are the same person which is why no matter how many times I say it he never responds to it.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Bryan: When he wanted. Which was rarely. At least give Lebron some credit, dude gets tripped up occasionally, but he plays D as much as he can.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    LeBron has only had 6 games this season he shot under 40% losing 2, Kobe has 16 games in which he shot under 40%, and the Lakers are 8-8 in those games. There is a difference between skill and effectiveness, I’ll take LeBron’s impact on a game over Kobe Bryants superior skillset at ANY age. So LeBron’s “holes” (no homo) or Kobe’s “skills”?

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    nbk: Uh, but Lebron is 25 and Kobe is 31 playing with eight fingers and a back injury. I think, considering what the argument is about, that’s a bit weak focusing on just this season

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Fine Kobe Bryant as a 25 year old (w/ a worse jump shot then he does now/ with eight fingers) – 23 Games under 40% – 8 under 30%. Lakers Record 13-10.

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