Thursday, April 15th, 2010 at 2:15 pm  |  13 responses

‘MVP’ Isn’t What It Used To Be

There’s too many players, and you’ve heard it all before …

by Chris Deaton

NBA/It’s so hard to determine this thing, because by the definition of ‘valuable’, we start here: If Cleveland, Oklahoma City and Orlando didn’t have LeBron, KD and Dwight, Cleveland, Oklahoma City and Orlando would be screwed.

So we look at the lines.  James’ hefty 29.7/7.3/8.6 is, in a word, stupid; in multiple words, ethereal, video-gamey, wow.  Durant puts in 30 and nearly 8 a game, himself.  Howard owns the stats that are as much a product of his Herculean figure as they are of his hustle: 13+ boards and close to 3 blocks nightly, both League bests.

Are these comparisons involving apples, oranges and banana nut bread at this point?  Stan Van thinks defense warrants more consideration in these MVP races, and he’s right — Russell didn’t put food on the table by Dream Shaking Chamberlain and dropping baseline 15-footers.  But is Dwight’s D more irreplaceable than Kevin’s scoring or Bron Bron’s offensive everything?  I know my answer, you know yours, and it’s a tough call any way.

That’s not how it used to be.

Gone are the days of those select few big men whose incomparable statistics reflected the dominance of an era.  23 of the first 25 Most Valuable Player awards went to post players, and 15 of those belonged to Bill, Wilt and Kareem.  Gone, too, is the age when the best player typically ended up on the best team.  Moses, Bird, Magic, Michael and Hakeem won MVPs en route to championships.  That’s happened only twice this century: Shaqtus in 2000 and Duncan in 2003.

Maybe that’s a reflection of present parity.  L.A. and San Antonio have owned the last 10 years, yes, and each has come quite close to stringing together a dynastic run comparable to those of Bulls or Celtics or Lakers teams past — close, but not quite.  With Kobe having shared the spotlight in pursuit of three of his four rings, he hasn’t emerged as his generation’s clear-cut, transcendent superstar.   And for all of Duncan’s victories, his leadership and efficiency have spoken louder than his box scores.

Neither of the two winningest legends of this time have been able to push their games beyond the pack, because the talent is spread too wide in this League, NBA Finals or not.  Today, the Cavs have the best player, while Durant, Howard, ‘Melo, Nash, Nowitzki, Paul, Wade, Williams and a smattering of others find themselves starring on mostly competitive teams to the point where their impacts are indiscernible.  KG’s most productive years were had in the tundra, and AI was never part of a great roster — but both were great players, perhaps the greatest of the years when they won their MVPs.

Where are the degrees of separation nowadays?Grizzlies Thunder Basketball

KD was at the core of a remarkable 27-game improvement for the Thunder, and the Cavs and Magic are comparable to their yesteryear selves.  But Durant isn’t as complete a player as LeBron — no one is.  Neither man holds a candle to Howard, the painted area’s bouncer-in-chief, on the defensive end — no one does.  Hmm, then.

This breadth of talent bodes favorably for the NBA’s appeal but not for the weight of its MVP.

All-NBA Team appearances are a better assessment of the League’s true best, because really, there’s usually more than one guy at a time.  Did Nash deserve the 05/06 MVP that much more than Kobe?  And was Kobe that much more worthy of the award than LeBron in 07/08?  Both were judgment calls — most every race we’ve seen post-Jordan has been a judgment call.  What does that mean?

Eddie Vedder, shy wonder he is, unassumingly accompanied his band onto the stage at the 1996 Grammys to accept the award for Best Hard Rock Performance, and said something that echoes for many of these award-type deals: “I don’t know what this means.  I don’t think it means anything … there’s too many bands, and you’ve heard it all before.”

Fact is, there are too many players deserving of consideration for the League’s top individual award to place all stock in the winner.  James, Durant, Howard — they’re all valuable players of the ‘most’ degree.

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  • Ed

    I agree,

    but this was the same case several years ago when Kobe won it and LeBron definitely deserved it. I personally think MVP means best player in the league.. and that is unquestionably LeBron James and he has the best team to prove it

  • http://slamonline.com Chris Deaton

    LeBron’s obviously going to win it — and I think LeBron deserves it, too. Best player on the best team isn’t always a done-deal argument, but he’s so far out of this world statistically — those increasingly heavy shades of Big O — that it’s impossible to keep it from him. But that said, how can Kevin Durant, whose offensive versatility is unmatched and whose leadership helped engineer a 27-game rocket up the standings, not be deserving of the MVP, too? He unquestionably is. And it’s why I have to the keep the acronym but change the words: “Many Valuable Players”, otherwise known as the All-NBA First Team.

  • Aaron

    No. Culminating what Deaton’s said here, MVP is subjective because there is always more than one. “Best” means a variety of things, and unquestionably, Kobe Bryant is the best in my eyes.

  • http://slamonline.com Adam Fleischer

    Some good old school stats in here, Chris. MVP a lot of times has to do with how you define that word “valuable” like you said. I gotta say, though, that I think LeBron actually can hold a candle and more to Dwight defensively–taking nothing away from the big man.

  • http://djsfklrf.com Jukai

    In fairness, everyone simply knows of Bill Russell for his defense and not his litany of other skills… After Cousy retired, Bill Russell was not just the best passer on his team, but one of the best passers in the LEAGUE. Dude also had all the leadership qualities of Duncan, if not more. His offensive skills certainly weren’t polished, but they were beyond his time; dude ran the fast break with the team, in days where slow-as-hell centers (Gilmore, Bellamy, Thurmond) just watched as people ran and walked down the court.
    So yeah, while there are people who say “but Russell won on defense, why can’t Howard win!” just realize that Russell brought a helluva lot more than defense.

  • http://slamonline.com Chris Deaton

    @Adam: I just finished reading Lang’s summary of his votes today, and after seeing LeBron’s defensive stats compared with those of some of the League’s other best, it’s hard to disagree with you. All I’d say is that I’m not sure anyone can affect a game on the defense like Howard can. Given that he patrols the paint by trade, he has the ability to alter any action from ten feet and in, and he’s generally a vacuum cleaner on the glass. In other words, I think Howard changes more plays on that end of the floor in a given game than anyone. And @Jukai, considering the dichotomy of Wilt and Bill, Bill’s always going to be the “defensive guy”. But yes, his outlet passing was astonishing, and Jordan is his only equal in terms of leadership. Remember, too, that while Russell may have brought more than defense, he brings more defense than Howard, IMO. In Russell, we’re talking about the best defensive player of all-time, and I really think his skill in that department could’ve almost won him an MVP on its own.

  • http://djsfklrf.com Jukai

    Chris: Very true on your dichotomy statement, and also rather unfair… Wilt Chamberlain was a ludicrous defensive talent, admitted even by Red Auerbach to be near Russell’s equal, and Russell’s offense was “before it’s time” (in today’s fast pace game, he’d probably average more points) but still very true none-the-less.
    But it’s hard for me to co-sign the statement about defense, because today’s rules truly limit the defensive presence of a center. I honestly think Howard is on par with late-era Robinson’s defense. Think about the rule advantages Russell had over Howard— no three second rules offensive or defensively, he could just sit under the basket… no restricted area, so there was no fear of drawing charges… a smaller court meant less room to spread the floor… an era with no ticky-tac fouls, meaning Russell could smack a boatload of hand and still get the clean block…. these were sizable advantages Russell had over Howard. Could you imagine Howard clogging the lane for 24 seconds? Downright Mark Eaton-esque.
    Now, not to say I truly believe Howard is a better defender than Russell. Russell was invited to the OLYMPIC GAMES for track and field, he set records for his high jump and was clocked running the 440 at 49.6… how many GUARDS could do that, at the time? C’mon now. I highly doubt even Lebron and Howard were more athletic than Russell.
    But I think Howard is unfairly placed behind the defensive pedestal of Robinson, Mutombo, Eaton, Alanzo, Olajuwon, Wallace… when he really should be right up there.

  • rashado

    so far, this is the best discussion of mvp i’ve seen…remarkably mature too in the comments section. i think nash won it in 05-06 over kobe simply because he was on a better team and didn’t have to score a ridiculous amount as much as he made his players better and lifted his team to success. kobe that year scored a ridiculous amount to keep the lakers close to being relevant but how did that make his teammates better?

    same reason i think lebron deserves it this year and last, he really makes those cavs look good, and now that they have legitimate talent around lebron plus the big improvement of varajao i think LBJ deserves it hands down…the #2 spot between durant and howard is still really a big ? imo

  • don

    didn’t take more than 3 responses before some1 started sucking on kobe’s B*lls., insisting that he’s the mvp.

  • http://www.teflinprague.com SAB

    every year, people seem to get lost in the semantics of the award. it should be clear, tho, that the award is basically “player of the season”, which i take to mean player who’s had the most impact on the league that year. i think the article was great, but you’ve still always gotta have a “this guy was the best of the best” award – it’s a part of practically all professional sports.

  • ai come back

    y didnt u list kobe……….if la didnt have him theyd be on par with……..heat or charlottte just more consistent so theyd be liek 6 seed

  • The Philosopher

    It’s the King’s time. This is his era, whether he ever wins a ring or doesn’t. We are bearing witness.

  • Trout

    Co-sign the philosopher

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