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Tuesday, May 18th, 2010 at 11:30 am  |  34 responses

Boston Celtics Squabbling, Winning

The Celtics aren’t just going to get in their opponents’ faces during games; they’ll do it to one another, too. Reports the Boston Globe: “The players shall remain nameless. Two Celtics  were staring holes through each other during Boston’s Game 1 Eastern Conference finals win over the Magic. They were arguing over a defensive rotation, and neither could let it go. ‘We had to call a timeout because they couldn’t move past it,’ Celtics coach Doc Rivers said. ‘Three plays later and you could see them still staring at each other. That’s what you can’t have. It’s all right to get angry and it’s all right to disagree, but then you’ve got to move forward.’ The Celtics aren’t the type of team to hug. Their high intensity level, the stakes of a championship run, and the slim margin for error make internal clashes inevitable. It’s also the product of having many strong personalities — established stars and rising stars, starters and sixth men. It’s a part of the Celtics’ DNA, and it’s something they’ve worked through this season, finding a way to manage whatever problems arise and remain a cohesive unit. ‘Teams are just like your immediate family,’’ Rivers said. “You have squabbles and for the most part I try to let them say everything they need to say so I know which side to take. Then I try to get in the middle. I encourage conversation. Even if it’s heated because I think at the end of the day, it’s what you truly feel. Then you can move forward.’”

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  • Fat Joe

    It was definitely KG and himself

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    DEFINITELY KG was involved somehow. Dude’s an instigator. Someone probably blew a defensive assignment or rotation and, as usual, KG would not let it go. That’s my guess. Kinda funny how when KG messes up on D, he just thumps his chest and says “my fault” and expects everyone to move on. But let Big Baby mess up, and he’ll never hear the end of it.

  • http://Www.lkz.cg Darksaber

    Rondo got in Ray’s face for a botched rotation and Ray gave him the icy Jesus staredown. I’ve noticed a recurring theme here, KG hinted at Rondo taking a while to get on board with the Celtics philosophy for 09/10 in the postgame sideline interview for game 6. And i’ve noticed Rondo Wearing alternate shoe/tights colours to the other C’s during these playoffs (Game 1 he was in white, all the other C’s were in black shoes). Seems to me Rondo is bristling with all the big 3 talk and Ray’s continued production and is rebelling. Hope he keeps it under control though.

  • http://www.springbored.net letsmotor

    nothing for celtics fans to worry about. they’ll get over it. think of it this way: it shows focus and intensity, especially since they’re arguing over defensive rotations, not shot attempts or touches or something.

  • Fat Lever

    Yea, it’s Rondo and Ray Allen. Saw something on SI.com about Allen mentioning that specific instance.

  • riggs

    yeah it was ray and rondo The camera actually caught rondo yelling at ray. @Enigmatic way to be wrong bro…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @riggs – Meh, it was just speculation on my part. My thoughts on KG still stand. And can I say DAMN, Rondo’s really grown a pair the last few seasons. Wonder how long the three elders will tolerate these “shenanigans” from him.

  • ClydeSays

    No player should be above criticism from his coach or teammates. You’ve just got to have some credibility. I don’t think Rondo’s wrong, but I’m sure he’s not the smoothest communicator. You can imagine him & Ray bumping heads. KG, I mean, when he’s not screaming he’s probably not awake. Still, holding people accountable & is what winning organizations do.

    I suspect one of the Cavs many issues was that Mike Brown didn’t have the kind of credibility he needed (esp on offense) to control his vets in James, Williams & Shaq. If you don’t have the players ears, how can you succeed?

  • adrian

    Does SlamOnline now consist of simply quoting whole paragraphs from local newspapers?

    Leeches.

  • Th3_R3al_Chris

    The thing with Rondo is that, though he is the key to this whole thing in Boston, he doesn’t have an ounce of humility. It’s why Ainge shopped him last summer and apparently that wasn’t enough to let him know his place in all of this. Kid is insanely talented, but his game has holes and until he develops the kind of work ethic that Ray Allen and KG possess then he’s wrong. (Example: Ray Allen misses three free-throws against the Cavs and he goes on to shoot 150-200 the next day in practice.)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Beanie Seagull

    It was Rondo and KG. From the Herald this morning: “For all of their postseason success, the Celtics still can get lost in internal squabbles. For example, take a brief but intense first-quarter disagreement between Rajon Rondo [stats] and Kevin Garnett on Sunday. “I had two guys arguing over a play yesterday, and I had to call a timeout because they couldn’t move past it,” Rivers said. “Two plays later you could see them staring at each other – it was over a defensive rotation – and that’s something you can’t have. It’s all right to disagree, but then you have to move forward.”

  • vtrobot

    I think this is better than no one giving a f*ck about defensive rotations. C’s are a bunch of intense dudes. They’re not like VC, Dwight, etc. C’s will win it all again. They’re too healthy and too driven right now. For many of them, this is very likely the final shot and that should make them pretty hard to stop. @ Darksaber: Interesting shoe theory. I did notice it in Game 1, but I hadn’t noticed him being different in the earlier rounds. Maybe it’s some weird thing like the upside down headband. That’s a pretty subtle revolt if that is what he’s doing. He should show real dissention and wear his home white when they’re in their away green.

  • BostonBaller

    Defense wins championships, i like the intensity as long as it doesn’t effect how you mesh together. As far as KG getting on people and not wanting anyone to say anything to him, that’s false. I’m at some of the games and I hear him acknowledging guys who correct him. He simply says I gotcha, my !@#$#%$%^$%^&* fault, I gotcha then he goes out and executes as they said. I’m sure the media and some haters will try to blow this up but it is what it is..not much.

  • BostonBaller

    If you’re going to put something out there on a team to get people going the fans need to see the whole picture: The Globe, same article. “There was a stretch in the season where we know each oth er so well, we’ve been around each other for a couple of years now, that we were becoming less patient with each other,’’ Ray Allen said. “When things went awry in any quarter or any game or we lost a couple of games, we were getting on each other a little bit too much. We can take it. But we respected each other.’’ Paul Pierce said, “I think we’re around each other so much we get tired of each other. I know I do. I come in sometimes and get tired of seeing the same faces, the same voices sometimes. That’s normal. Just like any kind of relationship. You have your ups and downs, but you’ve been together so long, you get past the differences and you move on.’’

  • BostonBaller

    The Celtics have their own blunt brand of conflict resolution. They don’t mince words. Kevin Garnett didn’t coddle Rasheed Wallace when they talked before Game 2 of the second-round series against Cleveland. Garnett demanded more from a player the Celtics brought in to help them push for a title. In the series clincher, Glen Davis almost instantly heard it from the bench after passing up an open shot to go to the rim, missing a layup and starting a Cavaliers’ fast break. He responded to the bench, “I know, I know. I [messed] up.’’ Even during the grind of the regular season, as the Celtics battled a tendency to stop passing the ball, Rajon Rondo called teammates out for playing with agendas…..so on and so on…Individual professionals who have 1 goal as a team.

  • vtrobot

    @ Boston Baller: Please go on.

  • The Philosopher

    @riggs: way to be wrong, bro…

  • The Philosopher

    Check out BostonBaller shuttin’ down threads!

  • BostonBaller

    sorry..I’m still a rookie at this..

  • james

    nah it was kg and rondo arguing about rotation. definitely 99% kg though

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    “As far as KG getting on people and not wanting anyone to say anything to him, that’s false. I’m at some of the games and I hear him acknowledging guys who correct him. He simply says I gotcha, my !@#$#%$%^$%^&* fault, I gotcha then he goes out and executes as they said” Damn BostonBaller, since you put it like that, guess I got no choice but to admit I was wrong, or should I say “I gotcha, my !@#$#%$%^$%^&* fault” Lol excellent posts by you on this story, BTW

  • BostonBaller

    no problem…I’m a celtics fan but I’ll be the 1st to tell you that KG, Perk & Davis needs to clean up their language. KG is the ring leader b/c those 2 guys came in w/out the foul mouths. Rondo is a load to handle in huddles sometimes but I’ll take that over guys not paying attention. Game 2 should be good.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    Players getting in each other’s faces over blown defensive rotations — as Marlo from the Wire would say; “sounds like one of them GOOD problems”.

  • http://www.kwapt.blogspot.com KobeWearsAPurpleThong

    It was Ticket and Rondo folks. Happened about 2 minutes into the game after DHoward got to the hole on a pick and roll.

  • http://www.kwapt.blogspot.com KobeWearsAPurpleThong
  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    I think M Cho summed it up pretty well, whoever was doing the arguing. if is players arguing over shots thats different. But arguing over making your defense better, shouldn’t be blown out of proportion.

  • T-Money

    there’s a clear divide between the oldies and the young’ns. rondo, perk, big baby on one side and the big 3 on the other side. it is well known that they have never particularly liked each other but i applaud them for being professional and focussing on the big goal.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @BostonBaller – one of my buddies in the Marines actually “played” with Perkins at Ozen HS in Texas (I say “played” because dude was a benchwarmer, but I can’t hate, they were a powerhouse that year) and he might disagree about Perkins not having a foul mouth at the time, lol

  • BostonBaller

    I concede to you on that one Enigmatic. lol. I was going by his rookie & 2nd year when he didn’t say much at all..then again when he did speak he had that Texas drawl going on..hard to understand sometimes.

  • dp

    this is why the C’s are serious title contenders. this is the kind of passion you need when playing championship defense… everyone is accountable, because defense wins championships.

  • http://www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com Tarzan Cooper

    Baby sayn, I know I know ieffd up. Was live on tv, one of those times they switch to a courtside camera and someone is cursing at someone else way over there, fun

  • andre anglais

    Talkin about blown assignments, I figured for sure that this was regarding Ray’s defense on Nelson after Carters free throw. He just watched it happen. Of course, there weren’t three more possessions after that. Still you expect more from a vet on this team.

  • BostonBaller

    Boston Globe today: “The Celtics are gaining traction. But they might have slipped up had Rajon Rondo not brought three pairs of shoes to the Amway Arena for Boston’s 95-92 win over the Magic last night.” Enough w/ the sneaker talk please.

  • Mike

    thats awesome that these celtics all have the attitude that every play is critical- that every man is accountable and that anyone can call anyone else out for it. its what makes this team so good. every great team has strong leaders, pippen used to put the arm around the shoulder- but jordan used to crack the whip- and everyone fell in line. the same here- kgs intensity has rubbed off on everyone where they all stand up to be counted. the fact that they ll argue over a single play goes to show how intense they are- you need that to be champs. thats why i favor them over the lakers- theyre just a little bit tougher from 1-12. they mightve won last year had kg been healthy- so to say theyre old is a bit misleading.

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