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Thursday, May 27th, 2010 at 11:00 am  |  42 responses

Dwyane Wade Wonders About Bulls’ Loyalty

D-Wade, talking to the Chicago Tribune, didn’t give the front-office running the hometown team a ringing endorsement with free agency looming: “Perception can turn into harsh reality, and the Bulls’ image as unfriendly to former stars could adversely affect the team’s ability to land a premier free agent. The Cavaliers’ LeBron James, the Heat’s Dwyane Wade and the Hawks’ Joe Johnson plan to discuss their respective plans with each other before making a decision once free agency begins July 1, Wade told the Tribune on Wednesday. And when the Bulls come up in the conversation, talk won’t necessarily focus on Derrick Rose. ‘I think the biggest question that you think about has to be loyalty,’ said Wade, a Richards grad who added he has been a Bulls fan for a long time. ‘I know one thing about Miami: It is a very loyal organization. I see what they do with their players when their players get done with the game of basketball …how loyal they are. I don’t know about the Bulls.’ Wade said it appears to him that the Bulls don’t measure up to the Heat in the loyalty department. ‘I see Michael Jordan is not there, Scottie Pippen is not there. You know, these guys are not a part,’ Wade said. ‘Things like that. So that is probably one of the biggest things for me, because I am a very loyal person.”‘

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  • Exist4eva

    if he is so loyal..hen why is he thinking of leaving Mia

  • Exist4eva

    If he is so loyal…then why is he thinking of leaving MIA

  • Hussman25

    Very true Exist… But, this is a part of the FA process; he’s evaluating the loyalty aspect of all the franchises he’s thinking abt being apart of. The next team (if he leaves) may be his last destination and he may want to work for that organization after his career is thru… He’s just doing his “due dillegence.” (SN: I wonder why more NBA franchises neglect their stars after their playing careers; Y isnt Pat Ewing working in NY and in ORL? MJ in CHA and he’s a Bull? Or why isnt Dr. J working in the Sixers Front offices???)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Who said he’s thinking of leaving Miami…. and for all of you that guaranteed Wade was going to the Bulls….HAHA!!!!

  • peter

    hasn’t he had infidelity issues with his wife too? maybe not as loyal as he thinks he is…

  • Diesel

    I personally don’t want wade with the Bulls. He’s the same player as DRose. I’d much rather have Lebron or Bosh. That being said, this is obviously Wade trying to get FA’s to come to Miami. If he REALLY did his due diligence and researched the Bulls loyalty, he would see that they have a former player as their “GM”, that they paid out Jay William’s contract after his motorcycle accident even though they didn’t have to, that they created a job for Randy Brown on the coaching staff because he’s broke, that they keep Pete Meyers on the coaching staff throughout all the coaching changes, that Bill Wennington announces Bulls games. The Bulls have honored MJ and Scottie time and time again. MJ left because he wanted to own a team and Jerry wouldn’t give him a piece…PLAIN AND SIMPLE. And as other’s have stated…Wade’s all about loyalty, as long as its not in a marriage.

  • http://minusthebars.blogspot.com don

    Wade is CLEARLY trying to discourage other free agents from being headed to Chicago.

    Smart move, I imagine, but Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah remain nice pieces to a championship puzzle.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    IDK, Peter–w/ the way girlfriend is spazzing out these days, maybe it was loyalty that kept him with her for as long as he did. Just a thought…

  • kh

    I love the idea of loyalty. Especially towards players who have represented an organization in a positive way for however many years.
    However I don’t think it’s always as easy as it seems. Sure No tippin Pippen might have been a great player but maybe his front office skills are terrible or he hasn’t the slightest clue in terms public relations or even coaching (I’m not picking on Scottie). Besides who knows what kind of demands these guys make in terms of salary, etc. I think it’s naive to look at a situation from the outside (Ewing, Dr. J, even Jordan) and say the organization isn’t loyal.

  • underdog

    Every organisation is loyal to superstars. To bench players? Not so much. If the people pay to see someone to play, that person is important to the franchise. On the other hand, it must be difficult to ‘measure’ loyalty, when you’ve only played for one team. Plus I got to say, I could imagine Wade in ATL instead of JJ.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    What the hell, Wade? Why you trying to mess things up for us? And dude needs to get his facts straight, things are WAY different in CHI since “Crumbs” crawled back under his bridge. Pippen is very much a part of the team, he came back for his final season and writes for Bulls.com now. And how the hell is Jordan supposed to hang around the Bulls when he’s the majority owner of another team now? That’s just stupid. But the Bulls didn’t have to twist his arm when they asked him to come to the UC to help honor Johnny Kerr (RIP RED) last year, did they? Plus, they built a FREAKIN’ STATUE of him! What more do you want? People need to stop acting like the same Bulls management that ran off MJ, Pip, Rodman and Phil is the same management that’s still in place, cause it’s not. And he’s one to talk about loyalty….shake my head…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m not sure if everyone that posts here are actually functioning human beings in society.

  • Dallas Stokes

    Come on Enigmatic was am born and raised in the Chi and giving Pip a blog and letting MJ who made the franchise even consider going somewhere else is BULLSS**T!!! Phil wont even come back!!! We all know that franchise is full of it and themselves, just look at the we can make another Phil and fail coaching joke of Vinney del Negro!!! Wade stay in MIA or go to NYC, but never trust a franchise that ran away legends!!! Bullss**ters need a coach? Why not try PIP instead of a wack bench gaurd?

  • Fat Lever

    I thought the fact that Lebron, Wade, and JJ are getting together to talk about where they’re all headed was pretty funny. I picture a roundtable with a huge map with all the cities on there with pins and string connecting all the cities and all 3 of them sitting there, in deep thought. Yes, it is a very detailed picture.

  • Orlando Woolridge

    Paxson, Bill Wennington, Pete Meyers, Red Kerr, Norm Van Lier, Stacey King…I’m sure I’m forgetting a bunch too.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’m kind of disappointed that people are trying to slam (no pun intended) DWade for this. He’s only echoing conversations that have been had in every kitchen, living room, barbershop, and street corner in the hoods of Chicago where DWade is from. Where I’m from. Hell, I’ve had these same conversations myself more times than I can count. How does the GOAT not have a position with the Bulls in some capacity? His sidekick neither? Makes no sense to me either. Players aren’t dumb, especially not one who was born and raised in this town and grew up a fan of the Bulls like everybody else. And fans shouldn’t be putting all of their stock in the Bulls signing Bron or Wade anyway, IMO. It’s getting ridiculous. Like the fate of the success or failure of the franchise depends on the acquisition of one player. Gimme a break…

  • http://Www.lacuevacrosscountry.com Slick Nick Da Ruler

    Eboy or Cheryl, would Floridas low income tax rules make is easier for 3 “max” guys to take 12 mil per year & keep the same amount as a max contract in another state would produce? If so, it’s an easy decision to pool 3 top tier FA to Miami (and still have room to add rotation guys and key pieces).

  • Diesel

    I personally don’t want wade with the Bulls. He’s the same player as DRose. I’d much rather have Lebron or Bosh. That being said, this is obviously Wade trying to get FA’s to come to Miami. If he REALLY did his due diligence and researched the Bulls loyalty, he would see that they have a former player as their “GM”, that they paid out Jay William’s contract after his motorcycle accident even though they didn’t have to, that they created a job for Randy Brown on the coaching staff because he’s broke, that they keep Pete Meyers on the coaching staff throughout all the coaching changes, that Bill Wennington announces Bulls games. The Bulls have honored MJ and Scottie time and time again. MJ left because he wanted to own a team and Jerry wouldn’t give him a piece…PLAIN AND SIMPLE. And as other’s have stated…Wade’s all about loyalty, as long as its not in a marriage.

  • Diesel

    Bryan – I didn’t like the way Chicago’s run ended eaither, but Jerry runs this team like a business. If MJ wanted a token role in the organization, he would have got one. Problem is MJ wanted to be GM or part owner. You don’t just hand that kind of power over to someone with no experience because he played hard for you. As far as I’m concerned, the bulls paying MJ $35 mil a year his final two years shows just how loyal and appreciative they were.

  • The D Train

    In nowhere near related news: MJ will be flying back into our virtual lives soon! The best part is the fact that 2K is trying to negotiate with a bunch of old cats to appear in the game so old fogies like myself can rock a MJ-Bill Wennington pick and pop like it was 1991, baby! http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/videogames/blog/_/name/thegamer/id/5222964/michael-jordan-appear-nba-2k11-cover?readmore=fullstory

  • LA Huey

    I very much dislike it when I agree with Bryan Crawford… I give Wade credit for thinking beyond his playing career here. I’m a big fan of players wanting to be a part of the game when they hang up their kicks.

  • LA Huey

    Also, FAs should consider loyalty of a franchise when signing. Should they fall off (ie. due to injury) how will they be treated. Will they trade them (NYK, Ewing) or will they not mind overpaying them a bit in their twilight years (IND, Miller).

  • http://albayanos.com LeoneL

    Patrick Ewing not with the Knicks must mean he aint signing with them….

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Diesel, I respect your opinion, but if there is a friggin’ statue of MJ outside of the United Center, an arena he basically financed with his play. I understand that Reinsdorf runs this organization like a business, but it would’ve been good business to keep him as part of the organization in some capacity. When a guy makes you as much money as MJ made JR, won all those championships, and put that team, that organization, and the City of Chicago on the basketball map, he’s earned the right to get whatever he wants. And paying him $30mil+ in his final seasons, the way I see it, they owed him that money anyway. Go back and look at his salary history. Until those last years, he was never the highest paid player in the NBA when we all know, he should’ve been. And as I recall, Pax had no prior GM experience and he got the job.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Diesel, Magic is still affiliated with the Lakers. Bird could’ve been with Boston but his heart was in Indiana, but Ainge is there. David Robinson is still around the Spurs, Dominique is still with the Hawks. It makes no sense that the Bulls just let MJ walk. Having him be a part of that organization would’ve been a great look for the franchise and being that he’s not, players have been skeptical of them ever since. There is something to be said about organizations treating their stars right after their playing days have ended. Players pay attention to stuff like that.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    Slick, that’s certainly a selling point that Riley uses. However, players can still call Florida home–and pay no state taxes–even when playing on other cities. I’m sure that’s what Shaq, Grant Hill, Carlos Boozer, and some others that I can’t think of right now, are doing. But it does come up in recruiting, I’m sure.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Magic is still a part of the Lakers organization. Larry Bird could’ve been had his heart not been in Indiana, but Danny Ainge is there. David Robinson is still around the Spurs, Dominique does Hawks games and so does Mike Fratello. People want to rattle off names of role players and bench guys still being a part of the Bulls as evidence of their loyalty, but when Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, and Phil Jackson are no longer in Chicago, the three MAIN pieces of the dynasty, players pay attention to that and distrust and suspicion arise.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    There’s a separate post for that, D Train.

  • Robb

    I understand Wade’s position, but those people he mentioned are not part of the Bulls because of Jerry Krause. Krause is not part of the Bulls since what? 2003? I think the Bulls organization deserve a chance to show their loyalty.

  • The D Train

    Sorry Ryne…just noticed it. I was admittedly over-stimulated by the discovery.

  • Diesel

    Bryan – I’m usually with you on most of your opinions, but I disagree here. People forget that the Bulls signed Pippen for a second stint, before he retired, when no one else wanted him, and then they gave him some player development type role for a while after he retired. To me, that shows loyalty. On top of that, when Pippen decided that he did want to leave, the Bulls did a sign and trade with Portland so that Pip could get a better contract out of it. Stacy King, BJ Armstrong, Scottie Pippen, Bill Wennington, John Paxson, Bill Cartwright…every single player from those championship teams was given a job by the organization after their playing careers. So basically everyone except for MJ was taken care of. And regardless of what you think, the Bulls didn’t owe MJ that $60 million. I agree that MJ deserved it, but just because he deserved it doesn’t mean that every other organization would have done that. You have to take into account MJ’s ego when we look at what all went down. MJ wanted partial ownership…he wanted GM responsibilities. That’s a lot to ask of a team. The Wizards still haven’t fully recovered from the fall out of MJ being their general manager. What if that were the Bulls? So because MJ won them 6 championships he’s earned the right to run the team into the ground for the next 10 years? I think the fall out of the Bulls had more to do with MJ’s ego as than it did the Bulls as an organization. There’s has to be some reason that EVERY single other player on those championship teams, except for MJ, found their way back to the organization.

  • Scottie Pimpin

    Dwade want to stay in Miami and do his trademark ‘this is my house’ yelling to his home crowd, something he will have to stop in Chicago. i say…..

    Bring on boozer and rudy gay baby, we’re gonna whoop some ass with or without lebron……GO BULLS !!!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Diesel, I hear ya…still, the fact is MJ is not a part of the Bulls. Whatever the reasons, players don’t care about any of that stuff. All they see is that the GOAT isn’t affiliated with the team he won 6 championships with. The reasons behind ‘why’ is of little consequence. Whether the Bulls had legit reasons to sever ties or not, players are always going to side with other players. Never the organization.

  • Diesel

    One more thing – I find it ridiculous that Wade can talk about other free agents like this, on behalf of the Heat, with no repercussions. Yet Kerr gets fined $10k for joking that they’d like to sign Lebron to the mid-level.

  • Orlando Woolridge

    The Heat didn’t show Stan Van Gundy much loyalty after he lead them to the playoffs.

  • Diesel

    And they’re certainly not showing Spoelstra much loyalty by having Riley openly say that he’ll kick him out the door and take over coaching duties if a FA wants him too. I don’t see Alonzo around there…he was basically the face of the franchize before Wade.

  • Diesel

    Bryan – I agree with you there. I’m fired up because I know that’s the way players will look at it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The MJ statue was up before he came back the second time don’t try and use that as their loyalty chip. If michael wants to comeback as long as everyone else does and you don’t do EVERYTHING in your power to make it happen, considering the bulls won 6 chips in 8 years, then your organization is not as loyal as they should be, and does not respect the accomplishments of their former or even current players & coach. Granted they do whatever they can to make money off of the old bulls, but thats about it.

  • Diesel

    nbk – the Bulls aren’t making money off of employing those role players. Please tell me how giving ex players jobs on the coaching staff makes the team money. And your reasoning on resigning everyone is just plain dumb. Its a GM’s job to put together the best possible teams for the future, not hang on to aging players as a sign of loyalty. Get them off the roster and give them a spot in the organization. Miami traded away their entire up and coming team in order to get shaq. How is that loyal? Every team can be viewed as not being loyal if you really look. The players may view the Bulls that way because of MJ, but as a whole the Bulls treat their players right. And its not like MJ has cut ties to the Bulls. He may not work for them but he still comes to games and makes appearances.

  • snasty10

    didnt he give his wife an std and leave her? ya thats loyal

  • Bulls fan for life

    Man F*** d-Wade! If anyone should be defining the aspects of “loyalty” it certainly should NOT be him. He has some nerve talking down to a Chicago team that he grew up watching as a youth. This is a man who after he became a so-called NBA superstar, cheated on his wife, left his kids, bailed on numerous business deals and charity organizations due to his over inflated ego and diva mentality. He should keep his comments private and please don’t be salty with a Bulls team that is one or two pieces away from a championship, when your sorry Heat team are full of scrubs.

  • chintao

    Wade just sounds like he’s groping around for some negotiating leverage. I’m really starting to get annoyed by Wade and Howard. They’re a couple of sambo-retards.

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