Wednesday, May 26th, 2010 at 1:15 pm  |  52 responses

Flip: ‘John Wall Might Revolutionize PG Position’

Saunders will most likely be coaching John Wall next year, and he has rather large expectations of the rook, to say the least. The Pioneer Press reports: “Washington Wizards coach Flip Saunders strongly believes his organization will keep the No. 1 pick in the June 24 NBA draft and use it to select Kentucky point guard John Wall. If the Wizards hold firm, that would represent a shift in philosophy among NBA teams relying more on point guards than centers to rebuild … ‘Dwight Howard comes along only once every 10 years,’ Saunders said of the Orlando Magic’s all-star center after watching Tuesday morning’s workouts of draft hopefuls at Target Center. ‘You can have good big men, but if you don’t have guard play, it doesn’t help you. Point guards keep you in games’ … Saunders said he and his coaching staff have identified Wall as a pure point guard. Because of Wall’s scoring ability, there were questions regarding where he would fit best in the NBA. Saunders, a former point guard at the University of Minnesota, gave the impression that there will be no debate on Wall’s role when he joins the Wizards. ‘He might revolutionize the point guard position because of his athleticism, but he has an extremely intelligent mind-set as far as running a team.”‘

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  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    John Wall is great, no doubt, but “revolutionize” the PG position? Way to hyperbolize there, Flip.

  • http://www.fernandocreative.com Nando

    too late, Derrick Rose already revolutionized the PG position.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    IF anything, shouldn’t that title go to Derrick Rose? I mean, he was the first Point Guard drafted at No. 1 since well, Allen Iverson. (And some people don’t even consider him a point guard.)

  • slamfan4life

    cosign with niQ
    D.Rose is gonna do that, believe he’s been doing it for a while now

    just needs some damn SHOOTERS

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Damn right, niQ! I mean, “He might revolutionize the point guard position because of his athleticism, but he has an extremely intelligent mind-set as far as running a team”, Flip may as well have been talking about Rose!

  • Cizzo

    Majic smashed the game in 1980, I know I was there! 6’9″ at the PG slt it’s been over!!

  • http://www.clutchfans.net Nick

    People need to slow their roll. Tyreke Evans, John Wall, and Derrick rose are great, but “revolutionize” the position? I can think of another highly touted PG prospect with size, athleticism, floor generalship and scoring ability….his name was Oscar Robertson. There’s no doubt these guys are damngood, but lets not act like this is a new archetype…Magic, Payton, hell, young Jason Kidd, too…nothing new about the versatile jock PG.

  • http://www.clutchfans.net Nick

    People need to slow their roll. Tyreke Evans, John Wall, and Derrick rose are great, but “revolutionize” the position? I can think of another highly touted PG prospect with size, athleticism, floor generalship and scoring ability….his name was Oscar Robertson. There’s no doubt these guys are damngood, but lets not act like this is a new archetype…Magic, Payton, hell, young Jason Kidd, too…nothing new about the versatile jock PG.

  • sal35

    Crossovers and dunks don’t win rings.

  • Fat Lever

    Um, don’t forget to add Russell Westbrook into the list of athletic PG’s who know how to run teams. He’s on the come up…

  • Dre

    No Flip had it right because although D. Rose and J. Wall are very similar in style and athletic ability John Walls vision and passing is better than D. Roses. That is truly why he “COULD” revolutionize that position.

  • http://www.clutchfans.com/ Blue

    No pressure, right?

  • Dre

    The Big O was amazing and so was the Magic man. Calm down fellas there are more than one revolution out there in a game like basketball that will be timeless. These guys will do that once again. I think that had Penny not gotten injured he would have revoltionized the tall PG’s because he was more athletic than Magic with the same court vision and a sick jumper. Injuries killed that for him.

  • onlyclipsfanonslam

    @sal35 crossovers and dunks DO win rings. Kobe has been the real point for about ten years in LA. Wade is the real point in MIA. Jordan was the point in CHI. Traditional positions are dead, there are only 3 positions in today’s basketball: Big, Wing, and Playmaker. You can’t say a guy like LeBron, Wade, Kobe, or Roy are wings with the way the offense is built around them making plays.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    onlyclipsfanonslam: disagree just a bit. When Lebron and Wade move to the one, they play totally differently then when they play the two or three. Everyone elses’ spacing on the floor, their positioning off-the-ball, the plays the team runs, etc. etc. I thought the same as you, but when Lebron took over for Mo/Delonte as point for a week stretch, he really played totally differently.
    Kobe plays NOTHING like a point guard.
    Closest thing to a real ‘point guard who wasn’t a point guard’ was Pippen, at times he was almost like Billups, walking up the floor, stopping at the top of the key, making demands… but that’s really it. Dribbling the ball up the floor doesn’t make you a point.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    When John Wall starts at center in the Finals as a rookie and leads the Wizards to the title, we can call him revolutionary all we want. Until then…

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    I’m with Grumpy McGrumpster

  • LA Huey

    Look for Flip to be rocking the new Nike Hyperbole on the sidelines this season.

  • http://www.mauricegarland.com Maurice Garland

    they said the same thing about shawn livingston

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Ryan Jones what is your freaking problem. I hate you.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    lol nah I’m just playing.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    My comment is awaiting moderation? Well screw you!

  • mike

    just about to say what is he going to do that rose and rondo can’t already do…

  • S_kemp

    Way to put pressure on the guy…I remember someone saying shawn bradley would revolutionize the centre position 15 years ago…

  • All Day

    @ Nick: Thank you for recognizing a truly revolutionary PG…Oscar Robertson. Until a PG averages a triple-double in the L, he ain’t revolutionizing sh*t!!!!! That goes for Magic Johnson, J. Kidd, D. Rose or whomever the hell you want to mention.

  • http://www.nba.com/suns Dacre

    Thats the thing with coaches like Flip… I honestly think HE thinks there are only 5 guys playing in the NBA at any one given time…one at each position.

  • Jon

    Wow Rose?! How about Rondo? The dude can’t shoot and is rail thin but might just be the best player in the post-season.

  • Coney Islander

    John Wall would have been drafted last year if not for that dumb rule. And FYI we’ve seen a player like D-rose before. Derrick Rose is Stephon Marbury version 2.0, any debaters please refer to his time with Sota and his time in Jersey.

  • http://minusthebars.blogspot.com Don

    I mean, let’s exhibit some common sense here, what did anyone expect Flip Saunders to say?

    John Wall is a pretty good point guard but he isn’t the first nor the last pg w/ athleticism and intelligence.

  • Groves@UWA

    best point guards: Chris Paul.. Rajon Rondo.. Jason Kidd.. Steve Nash.. Chauncey Billups.. Deron Williams.. Tyreke Evans.. Derrick Rose.. Brandon Jennings.. Jameer Nelson.. Tony Parker.. Jose Calderon.. Aaron Brooks.. Russell Westbrook.. Gillbert Arenas.. Allen Iverson.. AND JOHN WALL

  • http://slamonline,com fonz

    @Coney Islander: Are you serious, rose a ver2.0 of steph? Get the fukc outta here, rose has 1000 times more will, talent skill and most improtantly heart than steph ever had. And as much as i hate to say it, rondo is right next to rose in transsforming the pg role

  • http://hoopistani.blogspot.com Hoopistani

    i actually agree with Coney Islander on calling Rose Steph 2.0: Before he went loco, steph averaged 20 and 8, perfectly balancing being a scoring threat and a passing threat. Of course, the early derrick rose has already shown better leadership and winning mentality, but i feel a young marbury is a fair comparison to him.

  • nastierthanu

    @ coney. The comparisons to marbury are crazy. Let’s look at the facts. I don’t think d rose has his own shoe but if he does it’ll be way more than 14.95. Cmon know the game before u comment. Hold on what were we talkin about

  • Lai Wai

    Nash is the perfect example of what a point guard should be.

    Makes everyone on his team better, score in the crunch and mentor others.

    Wall can fail as easily a suceed and Flip isn’t exactly the best coach in the world.

  • that dude

    nastierthanu WTF????

  • http://www.nba.com/suns Dacre

    You had me at perfect…!


  • Rikson

    Rose hasn’t revolutionized ish. Slow down everybody… A new type of pg?! what a bs!

  • http://theurbangriot.com/ NUPE

    Wall MAY be a great pg someday, but I don’t see any attributes in him to revolutionize the position. Being athletic, smart enough to run a team and the ability to score pretty much sounds like what you expect from a ‘pure’ pg. IF Wall lives up to all expectations he may be compared to Isaiah one day, but that’s as far as I could ever potentially seeing him go, and that’s hardly a revolution of the position.

  • Nashty

    I thought Nash had already revolutionized the PG position because he is a white Canadian with 2 MVP awards.

  • Noel

    Flip was actually talking about a revolution in dancing at the pg position. Prepare yourselves for the John Wall dance dance revolution

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    I don’t think you guys catch the point. Before, all NBA team’s drafted BIGS hoping they would be the franchise piece to win. It was rare that a team would draft a point guard with the FIRST PICK. Just look at the past decades worth of FIRST PICKS.

  • http://aol.com RUN’N'GUN21901

    coney- i agree with you totally. d-rose is the new version of marbury. love to drive to the rim. nice handle, can pass the ball and is super physical. People forget that for a point the two best pg’s in the game were iverson** and marbury(THEN HE WENT TO THE KNICKS AND STARTED SMASHUNG INTERN IN HIS TRUCK OUT SIDE THE STRIP CLUB, TALKING BOUT Z-BO, AND EATING VASALINE).

  • Rikson

    But if it’s rare it has been done – hence: no revolution!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    fonz did you WATCH Steph play before his disastrous last few years with the Knicks? He was a great player! Talent was never his problem.

  • hello

    tyreke evans better than rose and wall heres the facts he can shoot the rock better pass better and rebs better wall cant shoot it when someones on him clost

  • Curri

    okay, for all those derrick rose haters, he has never played with a teams that have the same skill level as wall so please, never in a million years say that wall is better until you’ve seen him single-handedly take over an NBA game, lead his team to the playoffs, become rookie of the year, AND make 2 ALL-STAR GAMES

  • mytiman

    The kinds of PG we have right now (DRose, DWill, CP3, and John Wall) are scary good. They have the right mix of athleticism, speed, agility and smarts.
    John Wall won’t revolutionize the PG Position. That title should go to DRose1!

  • Don

    Anyone saying Rose is a Marbury 2.0 is a clown.. Steph was a career loser that could only lead a team to the playoffs ONCE. Rose has lead his team to the playoffs twice, in his first two season. Let me know when Steph ever averaged 27,7,3 in any playoff series.. I’ll be waiting, while Rose did this without any shooters and any legit offensive big man to play pick and roll with.. Rose is already as good as a prime Marbury in his sophomore season.. Now you tell me what great players haven’t improved from their second year? If Rose stays the same then yes I can see him being another Marbury, but if he improves like most great players do from their second to third year(usually break out year) then we could be watching an amazing potential top 5 player in the league.. Marbury was never top 5 in any year he played in.. Marbury had speed and power, but he was NOT the athletic freak that Rose is.. If anything John Wall is the next marbury..

  • Don

    Not to mention John wall is USELESS in a half court setting offense.. If he’s not pushing the tempo and run and gunning the kid can barely hit a shot or he’s creating a charge because his change of pace sucks.. Which is one of Derricks stregnths, he rarely gets called for charges.

  • Classic

    Uuum… Hello! Does flip know of a guy named Derrick Rose?!?! Derrick basically far exceeds the limits of what you call a basketball player. There’s a word for that, I believe its “transcendent”, look it up flip.

  • Josh

    I went to Knicks-Wizards game last year and Flip Saunders was asked about Shaun Livingston, who was recently added to the team. Saunders called him revolutionary as well, so I think he just likes to throw that word out a lot.

  • rekes son

    pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tyreke is better than these point gards