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Tuesday, May 18th, 2010 at 11:00 am  |  139 responses

Kobe Bryant’s Wife Makes Immigration Law Statement

Kobe’s coach may not want sports teams to get politically involved, but Vanessa made sure to address the controversial immigration law in Arizona at the Lakers/Suns game last night. The OC Register has more: “The wife of Kobe Bryant wore a black t-shirt to Monday’s game with the words ‘Do I Look Legal?’, a clear reference to Arizona’s controversial immigration law. Vanessa Bryant, who is part Hispanic, wore the shirt on the game night that approximately 40 demonstrators rallied against Lakers coach Phil Jackson for refusing to criticize Arizona’s new immigration law.”

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  • http://slamonline.com J Dizzle

    Protesting against someone who won’t protest against their cause… lol. These 40 demonstrators should sit back and enjoy the Lakeshow.

  • http://slamonline.com J Dizzle

    Won’t protest FOR their cause***

  • Chris

    K its enforcing exsisting law you idiots. good old protesters tho. i love the fact that we allow that in america, but i does get old…

  • http://slamonline.com Adam Fleischer

    That’s what’s up.

  • Noel

    If an immigrant looks like her they should automatically be legal

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    Well, according to Arizona’s laws, no one looks legal unless they’re white…

  • lupe

    Someone please explain to me what is wrong with what Arizona is trying to do. Maybe I am missing something, and I admit I have not had the time to fully research the law, but for everyone to be whining about it like they are, it must be a big deal (yeah, right). Please, could someone further explain the law for me. Thanks.

  • ben hogan

    only blacks and whites allowed in AZ?

  • http:slamonline.com Allenp

    Or you could just research the law yourself and learn about it on your own instead of expecting other people to explain it to you.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    I think we both know that won’t work, Allen.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Good for Mrs. Bryant! Sounds like she hasn’t forgotten where she came from. I don’t mean in terms of nationality, cause she’s American through and through. I’m talking about her skin color, which would make her a potential target in AZ even though she was born in CA!

  • hello

    Basically, the police can stop anyone who “looks” illegal to check their status. The paradox with this policy is that these people are over here because big American businesses hire them. And they get away with anything in the name of profit.

  • Jorge

    @lupe: Arizona will publish a chart with all the elements of how someone should be harrased by the police:
    Brown skin: but not that brown, maybe like the president’s color but not that pale…see white american for tones and color chart.
    Baggy Pants: See Brown skin for details on how the baggy pants are worn consult a white american.
    Tatoos: refer to brown skin once again for details on what kind of tatoos and ask a white american.
    Short height: refer to brown skin one more time and a white american.
    Legal Brown skin: See brown skin, and if they’re legal, too late…..umm sorry for the violation of rights buddy. Be prepared to be stopped tomorrow AGAIN!

  • Beethoven

    Maybe she was referencing her age?

  • Fat Lever

    In related news, the state of AZ has hired Karl Malone to be the new version of Dog The Bounty Hunter. I think we all know The Mailman’s intended target.

  • riggs

    lmao @ fat level. Also this law doesnt enforce anything its basically giving the police carte blanche to go after non-whites

  • riggs

    lever*

  • http://www.slamonline.com Negetivekreep

    I love how sooooooo many people whom the law does NOT effect. Feel so strongly about It. But god forbid some brown people complain about something in this country.

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/overdribbling chiqo

    yes, vanessa, you look over 18. mmmhmm.

  • Kendrick is God

    @lupe you ignorant C_U_N_T

  • RV

    @Negativekreep: We all live in the same country..i think it makes perfect sense to be worried about something that’s going on in one of the states. You never know, it may affect us in the future.

  • RV

    @jdizzle: they’re not protesting the fact that Phil isn’t protesting for them, but because he’s for it. He already came out and agreed with the law, although indirectly, but it’s clear he was saying he’s cool with it. It’s not like Jax decided to decline to comment and they decided to protest because of it.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Kobe’s drive to win revealed: a barely legal spanish sl*t

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Hold up Anton, your Kobe-hate is one thing, but why she gotta be a slut? And she’s not Spanish. If she was she’d be white like Pau Gasol, someone else who doesn’t have to worry about this law.

  • onlyclipsfanonslam

    What’s so wrong with following the rules? Services for American citizens and LEGAL immigrants are being cut, while there is simply no reduction on spending for illegal immigrants. Why must people who follow the rules get punished for those that don’t? People who question the morals of this law are absurd. If you are an illegal immigrant you are committing a crime (it has always been a misdemeanor), should we now stop punishing criminal offenses? I’m really not going to read any of your responses as I expect most of you to be uninformed.

  • RV

    Talk about being uniformed…the feds don’t just go by looks, they collect something called EVIDENCE, so they know who they’re after and why. In theory, AZ police won’t need to do that, they can just pick out who they think may be illegal. That’s the difference.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Sounds like YOU’RE the one who’s misinformed, onlysorryassclipsfanonslam. Nobody is on here debating whether or not illegal immigration is right or wrong. I’m Mexican-American, and I think something needs to be done to curtail illegal immigration. The bill is BS because it allows law enforcement to question anyone’s legal status if there’s reasonable suspicion. So who do you think they’ll question? The european immigrant with a strong accent who may or may not be illegal, or the Mexican-American who’s family has been in Arizona since it belonged to freakin’ Spain? My guess is the latter. We’re talking about racial profiling here. And unless you’re dark-skinned you won’t ever know a damn thing about it in this country. And I don’t care if you read my response or not, but I know you will.

  • The Philosopher

    Shout out to The Bilderbergers.

  • Robb

    If both governments (american and mexican) had done their homework we wouldn’t be talking about this. That law is an overreaction caused by a no action, and, as usual, people from both countries are suffering the consequences.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Arizona Law is literally a federal law with teeth. This whole country is so misinformed. The part that should be protested is the loss in funding to legal immigrants while there is no change in spending on those who come here illegally. The law makes sense, its just the way its being enforced that is wrong. And this is the federal governments fault, being mad at Arizona Legislature doesn’t do sh*t when illegals are taking around $4BILLION out of our economy. We are a nation in financial h*ll giving money to illegals. Which is why here in Arizona we are losing HS sports and tens of millions of dollars of funding for education. While everyone outside of this state blindly hates and protests things they know nothing about.

  • http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:OzhW3M1GBSKkgM:http://fashionsensei.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/jackie-moon.jpg Jackie Moon

    Why is Anton even allowed to post his hateful drivel? … (see bottom)

    The comments section is a place to further discuss the topics in this post. Commenters who seek to accomplish any of the following may be banned: – Make derogatory comments regarding race, ethnicity, language, gender, sexual orientation or religion. .. I think calling someone a “a barely legal spanish sl*t ” qualifies …

  • snasty10

    This law is F-ing rediculous, this is racism to a t

  • onlyclipsfanonslam

    @nbk thanks for backing up what I said. Legal immigrants are getting shafted. Current citizens are getting shafted. Yes the problem does lie with the federal government outdated policies, I do not argue this; but to say this is a racial topic BEFORE a financial topic is blasphemy. IF officers choose to abuse their powers than that is on the officers themselves, not the law that is in place. So many mindless sheep on here, get yourself educated on the origins of the law, I know Vanessa Bryant doesn’t know anything about the origin of the law.

  • ceballos

    enigmatic is right

  • http://XXXX Alex

    Whether you like it or not, this law will be overturned because it is unconstitutional. It is unbelievable how many ignorant and stupid people don’t understand the problem with this law.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Enigmatic is not right, the law says law enforcement must have, exactly how he (enigmatic) said “it allows law enforcement to question anyone’s legal status if there’s reasonable suspicion” Reasonable suspicion. Its already in the constitution that a person must always have some form of identification on them after the age of 18. You are just plainly stupid if you think this can negatively effect a legal immigrant. If you have your papers there is nothing to worry or front about. Oh no you actually have to show them now, wtf is the point of having them in the first place if the FEDERAL LAW is not enforced?

  • lupe

    Damn there are some sensitive people on this website. I just asked someone to better explain it to me and ALLENP and KENDRICK IS GOD acted like I asked them for their ID or something. Buddhism, fellas…check it out

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and reasonable suspicion does not permit stereotyping people or making snap judgments. It implies that if a person is acting suspiciously, or breaking a law then law enforcement has a right to ask for identification. WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS HERE ANYWAY. I (your average white american) was asked for my identification in ARIZONA for “suspicion” of breaking curfew. I didn’t call the cop a racist for asking for ID.

  • lupe

    So if you are not doing anything wrong, you will not be asked to show your ID. Makes sense. And if you are legal, like you should be, it does not matter if someone asks for your ID b/c you are a legal citizen. WHAT THE HELL IS ALL THE CRYING ABOUT?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    You guys disappoint me. All of these comments on the politics of A but regarding Vanessa Bryant’s t-shirt, not one “little Mexican girls” reference. Psssh…and you call yourselves basketball fans.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I meant, “the politics of AZ,” my bad.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LOL @ the mindless sheeps comment. You can go on about the financial and legal aspects of this bull, er, I mean, bill all you want but it’s really hard to see this as anything more than Jan Brewer executing some kind of racist agenda when uhh… she also passed a law saying no more ethnic studies and no more teachers with accents. WTF? Who doesn’t have an accent? And so now kids can’t learn about hispanic-American, African-American, Asian-American or anything other than European-American studies? The only good she’s done is passed that gun law which, believe it or not, I am conservative on most topics and am all about gun laws, but this chick has lost her noodles down there. BTW, bahahahahh….

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The crying is about getting in other people’s business. California who started all of this is seeing the worst of it, because their state is doing nothing about illegal immigration. So all of the illegals that would be coming to arizona know they can find jobs, healthcare, and housing in california without worrying about papers or laws

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    * I meant all about gun rights

  • T-Money

    “reasonable suspicion” means racial profiling. simple and plain. there are no other criteria that could lead someone to believe that a given individual is not a legal immigrant. being summoned by a police officer in the streets to show your papers is an humiliating experience and can lead to harassment by overzealous cops. i’ve seen that sh-t in france. it’s not “nothing”. i’d like to think of north america as being beyond racial profiling considering that the only indigenous peoples here are the native americans. there are other, more efficient alternatives to combat illegal immigration without infringing people’s rights.

  • curbsideprophet

    Completely agree with nbk and clipsfan. Most of you people have NO IDEA about the law and it’s pathetic. If you’re not ILLEGAL then you should shut up because you don’t have anything to worry about. You have to show your papers? big f’ing deal, grow up, everybody needs identification. The police aren’t going to just randomly stop someone because they’re walking down the street, they have to have reasonable suspicion. If they do then that’s a bad officer, not a bad law.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Reasonable suspicion can mean any damn thing under the sun, nbk. I’m actually a Criminal Justice student, I’ve learned under, among others, the former head of the Chicago Crime Commission. And let me tell you, police officers are given an insane amount of discretion and authority. You really think a cop in AZ won’t pull over someone because their tags “might be” expired or something as vague as that? The fact of the matter is this – legal immigrants DO have something to worry about. The only ones who DON’T are American Citizens who are blond haired and blue-eyed! Sure, if I get pulled over and am asked for my legal status once or twice and I have to produce my papers, it’s an inconvenience. Do it to me multiple times though, and how the HELL is that not violating my civil rights?

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/overdribbling chiqo

    @bryan: fat lever made one at 12:20.

  • T-Money

    nbk: don’t be dumb. they didn’t need a bill to ask for your ID if they have enough ground to suspect that you’re up to no good. that’s called doing police work. / law enforcement should ALWAYS be reactive, never preemptive (unless we’re talking about national security and even then, with major caveats).

  • Ace

    To immigrants complaining about racial profiling in this country….Welcome To America. This is nothing new, how long has Blacks been talking about this….centuries. Maybe now that’s it’s affecting other minority groups people will actually pay attention to something that has been going on in this country for centuries.

  • onlyclipsfanonslam

    Give me discernible evidence that proves all cops will abuse their powers. I can give you discernible evidence that 100% of illegal immigrants are breaking the law. Plain and simple illegal immigrants are breaking the law. You are a criminal justice student right Enigmatic? Well tell me where in your book does it say that someone that is breaking the law and is caught does not have a punishment pending for them. I will get a tramp stamp of your face if you can show me this in one of your law books.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The point is The Arizona Law is not new. Its already a Federal Law that is not ENFORCED>>>> Every FEDERAL Police Officer in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is allowed to do the exact same thing every cop in arizona is allowed to do on july 29th. Be legal and have nothing to worry about. And if you think this law is what makes cops act in a stereotypical fashion you are ignorant to how the world works and aren’t worth explaining anything too

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and as a “criminal justice student” (i too have taken criminal justice classes but i don’t call myself a criminal justice student) you should know that some laws that are not enforced federally have to be adopted on a state level to prevent economic collapse or any other kind of negative effect on its legal citizents. Like the loss of healthcare and low-budget housing opportunities that are being STOLEN by illegal immigrants

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Are you asking me for specific cases where an illegal act was committed and the accused was not punished? Like Mirdana V. Arizona? What does this have to do with my point? I already said Illegal Immigration is wrong, clipsfan, and OBVIOUSLY illegal. Try and keep up.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Chiqo…Yeah, I saw that. But I said it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I concede to your point about states having to enforce federal laws if the federal government does not, my issue with this isn’t the fact that Arizona passed a law, it’s the law itself. And I don’t think this law will suddenly cause cops to be stereotypical, I just think that it will give cops who are already like that more ammo.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Check this out, nbk, you raise some valid points, as I feel I did as well. I respect you for not attacking me on a personal level or turning this into an internet thug showdown. We’re obviously not going to convince the other, and having hit a stalemate I’m just going to agree to disagree with you and call it a day.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I am with you on the ammo comment. I just think if the Federal Government is going to ignore something that affects every person in one of its states then its the states responsibility to come up with a solution. And I am not totally behind this law, I am just supporting doing SOMETHING about the illegal immigration. It might be a little bias in my support because I work in a field where Illegal Immigrants can and do hurt the economy in a big way. If you have a suggestion to cut immigration without involving the federal government that you can logically support over this new law then i will write a personal letter to jan brewer every week in support

  • lupe

    NOT A DAMN THING WRONG WITH THAT LAW. When I used to buy blunts, they asked for my ID, over and over and over again. Im 30, I just showed my ID and BOOM, blunts in hand. Same with beer, or getting into a club. Show ID, your good. No proper ID, get out. STOP CRYING!!!!!!!!!!!! Soft-ass sissys

  • onlyclipsfanonslam

    so is it right to go unpunished. If you want to keep up why don’t you stop filibustering around the main reason why there is support for this law (and the main reason that people who are pro Arizona are pointing out)? We keep on mentioning financial reasons: Arizona has a budget crisis, there are plenty of reasons for this. One of the reasons is illegal immigration. Is it really fair to punish those who are legal immigrants and citizens of this country by taking away social services provided by the government; all the while there is little to no reduction on government spending when it comes to illegal immigrants? Don’t you believe that making it merely more inconvenient for an illegal immigrants to be in (or come to) Arizona will make illegals want to leave or just not emigrate there at all. Thus, this will lead to less government spending on illegal immigrants in Arizona and more spending on legal immigrants and current citizens.

  • http://www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com Tarzan Cooper

    Im white, and have been racial profiled by cops because I was driving in a black area (hood) and my friend was black. So automatically, hes a drug dealer and im a buyer. Ive been pulled over a few times in that same way. they cuffed and searched us for no reason, were insanely rude, tried to get us to react, so they could charge us with something. Cops doing what they want is nothing new. Sihts been happening. With that said what are all these better, more effective solutions to illegal immigration ppl keep talking about? What are they? This is a doubly important issue because it is such a financial drain on our cities and states in a horrible economy. Education and other funding as been cut to try to solve illegal immigration. So, what can be done? I dont see this law hurting or helping, yea they might deport more, but they will just come right back. Herein lies the problem. I dont think there is a solution. No matter how u try to stop them or send them back, they keep coming.

  • onlyclipsfanonslam

    Enigmatic like I already stated about your profiling point. IF cops choose to profile that is a statement of the individual cops themselves, not the law at hand. I have already stated that the federal policies on immigration are completely outdated. Also, the main reason why illegal immigration was overlooked is because people had Americans had fat wallets. Now that every American’s wallet is getting thinner, the handouts have to stop somewhere. Although I’m not huge on social services, deadbeat Americans deserve American paid social services. Also, those that are allowed to be here in this country by American law is also deserving of social services due to them being here legally. The fat has to be cut somewhere, and if push comes to shove the ones that should be left out from social services are illegal immigrants. Alas, there is no reduction on government spending on illegal immigrants

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    onlyclipsfan- You said “Is it really fair to punish those who are legal immigrants and citizens of this country by taking away social services provided by the government” The point I’m trying to make is that legal immigrants will be punished no matter what. Just try to put yourself in my shoes. I’m Mexican by birth but I’m here legally and served my country (because, make no mistake, I AM an American) and a law like this just makes me feel like a second-class citizen. How would you feel if your mere appearance made people suspicious of you committing a crime? You can say, just show them your papers and everything will be fine. But who wants to be treated that way? Seriously?

  • jorge

    I know of a happy, happy place where they don’t check for ID, the military when serving this country.
    ummm…I almost forgot and the IRS…..damn I almost forgot….I wonder why that is!!!!ummmmm.

  • Ace

    The border states should just get together and build a nice big and fat wall on the border with security features. Until that happens they are gonna keep coming across that border. This all goes for border states in the north b/c there are some areas where you can go around a checkpoint to into this country.

  • http://www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com Tarzan Cooper

    And before the game startd, I saw her shirt and thought she was trying to be cute like am I over 18? I thought yea, u look over 30 legal. Somewhere in louisiana karl is operating heavy machinery and is oblivious to all this

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    they did start building a wall. but obama thought it was a waste of money. SO he gave AIG enough money to give every citizen in the us a MILLION dollars instead. and that helped a bunch lmao

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    onlyclipsfan, I am WITH you on the illegal immigration tip, homie. I know we gotta cut that fat, and the handouts to those who aren’t even here legally need to stop. I agree. Alls I’m saying is, this law alienates those of us that are here legally. That’s it. That’s my only beef. It’s a tiny beef, but a beef nontheless.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    What are you getting at with your post, jorge? I served in the Marines and they checked my immagration status. And I had no problem with that. Check your facts, bro.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I won’t even dignify lupe’s posts with a response. Except for this one.

  • Ace

    That’s why the states need to get together for the wall, b/c of states right they wouldn’t need the federal govnt to do so.

  • onlyclipsfanonslam

    Anyways… It is good to know that there are still hoop heads that care about important issues such as politics. The outlook of this country’s future isn’t so bleak as I might make it out to be. I just hope that if someone who has no idea about this subject and wants to learn more actually researches it first and makes their own opinion. It can differ from mine, but there is just too much misinformation out there on this subject.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    The thing about basketball is that it’s so universal that a site like SLAM is bound to get a bunch of people up in here with different backgrounds and varying opinions on political issues. But I gotta applaud the fact that most of us commentators on here can keep it civil.

  • http://www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com Tarzan Cooper

    Keep in mind, the people of this country are the target. Whos pointing the gun? Politickians and the behind th scenes ppl who really run things. Ick cheneys, karl roves, bilderbergers, council on foreign relations, etc. The govt is not for the people, it is for profit for a few ppl. Billions for endless pointless wars, billions for insane bailouts to the culprits. They want us in disorder, they want us divided, they want us arguing over non political ‘issues’ like gays and abortion. They want us distracted

  • http://www.motherjones.com AndTheJellosJigglin

    @Lupe. Moron.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Anyways what the wall really gonna do but keep people in. If someone wants to get here, a 15-20 foot wall aint gonna stop them. But if everyone wanted to get out then there would be an issue.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I said my piece on Arizona’s law on the other thread, so I won’t repeat what I wrote.
    I’ll say this, until you have experienced racial profiling first hand, you really don’t comprehend what it means. Until you’ve had a gun pulled on you by a cop convinced you are a threat possibly worth killing, you don’t get it.
    Anything that encourages racial profiling for anybody is not worthy of my support. Because racial profiling is not based on “facts” or the “truth” it’s based on fear, and typically it’s used by people with power against those without it.
    Arizona’s law does NOT legalize racial profiling. It just encourages it. It just makes it easier for it to occur.
    And apparently some folks are ok with that sacrifice. Probably because it’s not a sacrifice being borne by them. You reap what you sow.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Racial Profiling happens without this law. I live in phoenix, most my friends are of a different race and guess what? The cops are not going to change how they treat anyone. They already profile everyone. Now they are just allowed to ask questions which apparently is unconstitutional. They can’t just arrest you for being mexican, if you have ID of any kind then you are free to walk after saying “yes officer here is my identification.”
    Things like this are worth protesting over? How about the atrocities in Darfur? Oh wait that isn’t happening on the same land mass so you people think this is more important. Go protest something that effects you personally. Not something that will only negatively effect illegals and those to stupid to follow a simple law like have some form of identification on you at all times. Which is already in the constitution.

  • trux

    I must confess beforehand that i come from the uk so not hugely informed about us/arizona fiscal policy as regards social welfare, but if you are an illegal immigrant how do you go about getting welfare without the required documentation?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    HEY, HAS ANYONE FORGOTTEN THAT NONE OF US SPEAK IROQUOIS, NAVAJO, OR APACHE?? Someone mentioned the irony–this is the irony, we are ALL immigrants to this land, some came voluntarily while others were forced, but NONE of us are “native”. Puhleeze!

  • http://Yahoo.com 323 356 9658

    I have a huge Dick so I’m not worried

  • http://www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com Tarzan Cooper

    Cheryl, no one on this planet is ‘native’ except a couple folks around the great rift valley

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    Check it: This law is in DIRECT VIOLATION of the fourth amendment. Any Republican who supports this bill is, in fact, in support of violating the constitution. There is NO WAY a police officer can determine if someone is illegal without racial profiling, which is ‘unreasonable search and seizure without probable cause.’
    End of the argument.
    I’d rather put land mines at the border than continue this law.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    NBK is being awful here. “Cops are going to profile anyway, might as well make it legal”
    GREAT!~ God bless American thinking.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    We might as well make all legal ‘citizens’ wear sombreos and ponchos to go along with their ‘papers,’ you know, to differentiate them so they don’t keep getting pulled over. This law is f’in pitiful and all you white guys who are saying “IF YER NOT MEXICAN YOU CAN”T COMPLAIN” you are below low. Not even kidding.

  • MikeC.

    I saw a very interesting show on National Geographic TV about the mapping of the human genome. The show, using DNA tracing, implied that every single human on our planet can have their lineage traced back to a group of people in Southeast Africa. This group splintered into several groups that traveled all over Africa and the Middle East, eventually populating what is now Europe, Asia and Russia(I need a geography major to let me know if Russia is considered to be in Asia or Europe). At that time, among other points in history, there was a land bridge connecting the Russia to what is now Alaska. People who had been roaming and living in Siberia wandered across the land bridge to North America, eventually spreading all the way to the Southern tip of South America. So, based on the Human Genome mapping, I guess I’m saying that nobody is illegal. Or everyone is illegal. I forget what my point was supposed to be. Celts-Magic is distracting me.

  • MikeC.

    I think JJ Redick is an illegal. Check his papers.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Negetivekreep

    Jukai ur the man. I’d bet nbk prolly didn’t have anything against waterboarding either, whatever it takes to get the job done. Just the same sort of dissconnect that happened after 911. When people like NBK made an exception while Bush used the patriot act as to illegally spy on AMERICANS of middle eastern descent . And set in motion a climate of fear and discrimination against these mostly peaceful and wonderful people.Pathetic. Its like a disease. That was illegal, as well as a violation of this countrys constitution. But that was different… I also find it humorous that NBK thinks he’s somehow more informed because he’s from AZ. Lmao, dude ur in loser denial. I am glad however to read the comments of Slamers of ALL RACES who won’t turn thier back on a fellow man.

  • http://twincityslim@yahoo.com Jahi

    Arizona Immigration law in a nutshell, RACIST!!!

    As an African American, I am well aware of the double standard of justice in AmeriKKa. The unprosecuted cases of racial profiling and police brutality has a long history within this nation. I’m zero tolerance on racial profiling. If AZ wants to end the flow of undocumented workers across the borders, punish those who employ these workers. There is probably less unemployment amongst this population than the general population. Likewise, AZ benefits economically from those undocumented workers dollars too!!!

    Vanessa Bryant did the right thing by exercising her right to free speech.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Arizona is a sh!tty state masked behind a facade of sunny vacation sites. I’m glad I don’t live in that sad f*ck of a state.
    And what about the law banning all “cultural studies,” or how teachers who speak with ACCENTS are no longer allowed to teach in Arizona? What the f*ck do you call that?
    Before, when cultural studies meant affirming European heritage, hey, the government was all for it. Now that its about teaching Spanish as a second to Latinos or letting THEM be proud of their heritage, it’s suddenly a threat to the f*cking country with the potential to “overthrow the US government?” Get the f*ck out of here.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Remember, to all those pseudo-righteous hypocrites complaining about immigration:
    ALL OF US ARE EITHER IMMIGRANTS OR DESCENDANTS OF IMMIGRANTS. NOT ONE OF US ARE NATIVE TO THIS LAND.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Teddy: Well, it’s not like segregation of immigrants is a new thing. In Ontario new immigrants’ qualifications might as well count for nothing for the most part. You could be a surgeon or an accountant, and it isn’t recognized. I had a friend from Egypt whose father had to sit through medical school again just so he could practice in Ontario.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Teddy: So yeah, the passing of this law is getting a lot of attention because of how visible its impact is. I agree with what you and a lot of guys here say. I also think that the red tape preventing immigrants from doing as well as “locals” do goes a lot deeper.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @nbk: Darfur? Here’s the thing: if we can’t fix racism in our own backyard, in our own heartland, in this day and age, do we have the right to go into someone else’s continent and reprimand them for their wrongdoings?

  • Ace

    People should have saw this coming a mile away. They did it in Europe with Arabs, Persians, and Africans (that didn’t come from countries with EU relations already.) Now only diff is that certain states are going to follow suit. @Cheryl Everyone in this country is not a true immigrant thats not a Native American. You can’t even include blacks in that conversation b/c they didn’t want to come here in the first place. This law is probably here to stay, look up the Patriot Act b/c under that what Arizona is doing is A-ok! Why aren’t people protesting the Patriot Act then?

  • MikeC.

    I’m truly glad I came back to SLAMONLINE in the last couple of months. The level of discourse is fantastic. We talk regularass noise when it comes to bball opinions, but get into actual (factual studies) debates over social issues. Some people make some pretty boneheaded statements (myself included) from time to time, but overall the back and forth is very interesting. I’ve certainly worked the Google on my Internet machine checking out points made by other posters. I don’t agree with some stuff that’s been said, but every point is a chance to check out a different perspective and learn something new. Thanks to all.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Teddy: You’re from Toronto, right? I don’t know if this link will make it through the filter, but here goes: http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/796931–complaints-overwhelm-human-rights-watchdog

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Teddy: Okay, so my last comment didn’t get through. Anyway, search for “toronto star complaints overwhelm human rights watchdog” and read that article. Beneath our most multicultural of cities, there is a stronger undercurrent of racism than we’d like to admit.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    The funny thing is, Mexico has their own serious illegal immigration problem, and they deal with immigrants on their own southern border much more harshly than America does. I am 100% against anything that leads to racial profiling or even hints at giving police more authority, but the people protesting the AZ law need to come up with a sensible alternative too. Maintaining the status quo is not going to work.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Jukai your flat out ignorant and mindlessly reading what I’m saying. Cops are going to stereo type regardless of this law it is not ok – but the law only stipulates that an officer can ask for identification under a suspiscious circumstance. They can’t walk into the f’n grocery store and ask every dark skinned person in the building to line up with their id’s. They can’t arrest you on supiscon of anything. It is already in our NATIONS CONSTITUTION that a person must have some form of identification unless said person is attached by law to a specific gaurdian. Your assuming bs is your own problem. Stay out of situations you don’t fully understand.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    And I don’t think me being in Arizona means I know more about the bill, reading the bill and different views on the bill and what it means to different groups of people, considering i work with many immigrants and have their take on the bill. Most are against aspects of it and have the same concerns as everyone else but the way it’s seen is as kind of necessary and fair to those that work hard to get into our country legally. Concerns of racism are present in every state and a law that permits a police officer to ask for ID is concerning but seriously it’s that big of a deal? You are more worried about your constitutional right to not have to show proper documentation then the right to your own national benefits (healthcare,law enforcement, government housing, tax dollars). Because that is what your trading – acting like a person doesn’t judge people because it is not permitted by law is blissfully ignorant apparently.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    And if you haven’t read the bill and have gaied your opinion from what has been presented to you in the media I ask you to read it. Look at what reasonable suspiscion means under the bill not in the eyes of your local anchorman.

  • Brickshooting J

    I say deport her to Spain!! We need more ladies like that over here, you know.

  • Mauritz

    Problem is, the police now get an excuse to ask ID for whomever they want. And let’s be real here: the police are practically above tha law already. The percentage of legal complaints against police officers that leads to verdicts are well below 1%, and we still have a huge unknown number of crimes commited by police (because of this). So to further their authority, based on race (and it can’t be news to anyone that the police (talking about the authority in total here, not the individual officers) is racist) no less, is simply worrysome. It’s not as if these extremely poor and awfully exploited people aren’t persecuted enough already. The same people who passed this law probably uses some of them as cheap labour in their own homes.

  • http://Slam Ruach Tang

    the Bryant fam have their hands full.

  • http://theurbangriot.com/ NUPE

    The AZ bill is not equal to the Federal Laws (that AZ claims are not enforced). IF AZ law just mimiced the fed law and then enforced it, there wouldn’t be an issue. The problem with the law is that it provides cops too much discretion due to the undefined ‘suspicion’ standards that can be used as another way to profile people. I think everyone agrees that illegal immigaration is wrong, but the issue with the law is that removing/reducing individual civil rights by essentially allowing cops to profile is wrong also. The saying two wrongs don’t make a right comes to mind.

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  • http://theurbangriot.com/ NUPE

    Also, some people argue/claim that the illegals are hurting the American economy. However, there was a study done in Ca about three years ago that concluded that the economy has been able to grow in part because of the illegal work-force. They argue that because so many illegals are working on farms and doing other unskilled or skilled labor types of job for significantly less than minimum wage, a lot of produce and other products we buy are cheaper and have stimulated/sustained spending and improved living standards etc. Let’s be clear it was NOT the illegals that were running the banks, mortgage companies and investment firms etc. who ’caused’ the US economy to go down. Illegals should not be here but don’t place blame on them for things they are not accountable for.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    It’s not about what reasonable suspicion is in the law, it’s what reasonable suspicion is in the eyes of the police, district attorneys and judges. And, reasonable suspicion is a very broad thing as I outlined on the other post.
    Also, this law does not solve the immigration problem. These folks will only receive a misdeamnor ticket. They will not be deported. How does this actually help remove illegal immigrants from America?
    For those who are unaware, the law states that if the police stop you for another violation, say an illegal lane change, or coming to an improper stop at a stop sign, they can demand you prove that you are a legal resident if they then have a reasonable suspicion that you are an illegal immigrant.
    Now, the obvious problem with this law is that how are local police going to generate reasonable suspicion about someone’s immigration status? It is a very REAL concern that the discretion granted under this law will result in many Latino citizens being stopped and hassled simply because they fit a cop’s stereotype of an illegal immigrant. Sure, their will be cops who use their powers honorably, that is always the case. But, what percentage of dishonorable cops hassling legal citizens in acceptable? I think that percentage varies based on your personal experience with racial profiling and its consequences.

  • RV

    I dont understand why some assume that if you’re against this law you must be against punishing illegal immigrants. all this “so it’s ok to be illegal” crap needs to end. It doesnt necessarily mean that. Stop trying to make it about the illegals. It’s not. It’s about the LEGAL people, who will be harassed because they look illegal, why is that difficult to understand? Let’s not act like we all carry ID 24/7 either. What do you think will be the difference when someone who looks “american” and someone who looks “mexican” are both stopped for a traffic violation and both forgot their ID at home? The difference is only one of them will be detained because their legality is in question.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/CathedralsRecords?feature=mhw4 Earl

    Now that Anton’s team is knocked out, he just makes fun of everybody on the Lakers. Sore loser. :)

  • Emmett

    I have an idea to stop illegal immigration. Deploy the National Guard from affected states ( California, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas ) along the Mexican border, have them build a fortified wall around the WHOLE length of the border, and when it is completed, leave some of the troops to aid in patrolling the border. This might even cost less than making new laws.

  • http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm nbk

    For a real run-down on the law click my name. Allen gets the gist of it but he still does not understand the law completely. A police officer is not permitted to stop anyone for the way they look. There is no right to harass anyone for any reason. Asking for identification to a person during any legitimate contact made by an official or agency of the state or a county, city, town or political subdivision. You see the phrase LEGITIMATE CONTACT, it means an officer must have a as allenp said “police stop you for another violation, say an illegal lane change, or coming to an improper stop at a stop sign, they can demand you prove that you are a legal resident” Which is what giving your ID to a police officer so he can fill out the citation already is.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Typically, police officers cannot demand identification from everybody in the car when they stop you for an improper lane change.
    Under this law, if they have a “reasonable suspicion” they can.
    This law also is not confined to drivers. If you are a pedestrian, officers can stop for “suspicious activity” (which can mean you stuffed your hands in you pocket when you saw a cop, or turned to walk in the other direction) and then while they are questioning you, they can demand ID.
    Also, I’m quite sure that the original US constitution did not require identification be carried at all times, since that would have been impossible for most of the non-slave population.

  • http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm nbk

    Its in the constitution NOW which is all that matters. They do make amendments and revisions. And if you refuse to show ID while operating a vehicle the police officer has the right to imprison you. Plus it is not a misdemeanor only if your caught here illegally. It also comes with up to 6 months of jail, which in all honesty is better then getting deported for some illegals. But all are illegals caught here or trying to get here are turned over to the federal law enforcement which can and often does result in deportation. But those that are not deported are taking room in our prisons and money out of our pockets. Which comes back to spending money on illegals that should be spent on tax paying Americans. And no putting your hands in your pockets while walking down the street does not justify any sort of police stop, if the officer used that as his “suspicious” activity then that officer can be suspended or even fired. Jumping to conclusions about this law is what most of America is doing.

  • onlyclipsfanonslam

    AllenP you are right and wrong. Under a traffic stop they can ask for everyone’s ID. Since it is a traffic stop there is probable cause. BUT if you are walking the streets and doing nothing wrong, you do not have to comply by giving the cops your ID. Another thing: you have a problem with legal people being harassed, but you don’t question the moral compass of illegals who are cheating the system? To me there is only one victim here and it is those that follow the rules. The people who will get harassed are the ones following the rules. But why do we have to go great lengths and harass innocent people? That’s right it’s because illegal immigrants are cheating the system to the point where the people who are doing the right thing are losing the benefits of doing the right thing. Just like an accounting firm going through an audit. Why is there an audit? Because there are one or two bad apples. Who gets punished? All the good apples.

  • http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm nbk

    The police cannot stop you on the street for putting your hands in your pockets or walking the other way. Lol if they do that, whether you are legal or not you have the right to report that officer. Its why they have badge numbers. Ya’ll are overreacting and making up these crazy stipulations that make the law racist.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    I have read actual police reports where that’s the reason for the pedestrian stop. This isn’t some game, this is real life examples I’m using from the hundreds of police reports I’ve reviewed as part of my job.
    The police can deem you suspicious if you walk away abruptly, if you put your hands in your pockets. Hell, if look around furtively, they can deem you suspicious and ask you questions. If you circle the block too many times, if you drive too slow in a neighborhood, those are all suspicious activities and grounds for a traffic stop. You can either believe me, or actually do some searching on the internet and verify it yourself.
    Clipsfan
    Technically, the police do not have a legal right to request identification from your passengers if you get pulled over for speeding. They do it all the time, but legally you do not have to comply since you are not engaged in an illegal activity as a passenger, nor or you an accessory. At least that’s how I understand it.

  • RV

    @onlyclipsfan….once AGAIN…just because someone doesnt like the law doesnt mean they are ok with illegal immigration. You’re ASSUMING Allenp is cool with illegals cheating the system and he hasnt said so and i doubt he is. That’s part of the reason why people don’t get anywhere, everyone wants to assume those who protest the law are defending illegal activities.

  • http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm nbk

    well allen the law isn’t in effect until JULY 29, 2010. So you are reading police reports of things that have happened before that law. So there is something else for you to complain about that has nothing to do with this law. And your right a passenger in a vehicle does not have to show Identification. This law does not stipulate any differently, it only applies to those people that have created the suspicious circumstance.

  • RV

    yeah what allenp said…you dont even have to work in that are to know that…just watch COPS lol..you see them stopping people all the time who appear supicious because they ran or seemed to hide or throw something.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Clipsfan
    I don’t think it’s an acceptable policy to say that legal immigrants have to suffer because of the illegals.
    1. When are the companies hiring illegals going to get laws passed targeting them and making legitimate companies suffer? Everybody knows that without the jobs, illegal immigrants would not come.
    2. I am unwilling to tell other people they need to suffer needlessly because it makes things easier. I wouldn’t want to do that, so why would I require it of someone else.
    Also, some info on your rights as a passenger:
    Some commentators wrongly suggest that officers cannot even ask passengers’ names and can never request identification documents. One court relied on the Supreme Court decision in Muehler v. Mena to establish the bright line rule that an officer may ask a passenger for identifying information. United States v. Hernandez, 418 F.3d 1206 (11th Cir. 2005) (“arguments that the trooper asked questions unrelated to either officer safety, the speeding offense, or processing the citation are not determinative of our evaluation of the constitutionality of the seizure here. We are to look only at the duration of the seizure given all the circumstances: was it for an unreasonable time?”). When an officer uses a friendly, conversation tone (talk nice, think mean!) to request passenger identification, most courts rule that the request is voluntary and requires no reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. State v. Williams, 590 S.E.2d 151 (Ga. App. 2003); State v. Smith, 683 N.W.2d 542 (Iowa 2004); People v. Jackson, 39 P.3d 1174 (Colo. 2002). Other courts have allowed officers’ requests for passenger identification based on the need to record witnesses’ names, even on a traffic citation. State v. Jones, 5 P.3d 1012 (Kan. App. 2000), aff’d, 17 P.3d 359 (Kan. 2001); State v. Chagaris, 669 N.E.2d 92 (Ohio App. 1995); People v. Grant, 266 Cal.Rptr. 587 (Cal. App. 1990).

  • http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm nbk

    my comments are showing up so if i repeat myself i apologize. But Allen you are reading police reports yes? A police report is a report of something that has already happened yes? well the f’n law doesn’t come into effect until july 29, 2010. So your reading reports like i have been saying all along of examples of police officers doing what this law (does not stipulate anyway) is causing all of these protests about. Its ridiculous that arizona natives and supporters of this law are being labeled racist when the Police already to EVERYONE’s knowledge are stopping people for suspicious activity. This law (for some, most here apparently) just gives a face to a problem that has been persistent as long as law enforcement has been around. It does not change anything except it gives the police the right to ask for ID in circumstances where ID is not always necessary. For a LEGAL you now must show ID’s in situations that used to be “Ok sir try not to drive with your lights off again, this is a warning.” Stopping suspicious people on the street in Arizona (nobody is walking around the streets for the most part here anyway) is something that already happens but ya’ll didn’t care then.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Basically, you don’t have to give them your ID. It’s only a voluntary request, not a command and not enforceable by law.
    So, this law would seem to have some issues if it’s depending on being able to question passengers and demand ID to prove immigration status.

  • http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm nbk

    And Allen you know very little about this subject, there was a law passed last year that put in stricter punishments for any person or business who is caught hiring illegals. And it is also illegal to hire someone for a one day job without asking for proof of proper documentation. Like you have probably heard jokes about picking up a person as your local home depot to help plant some trees for 50 bucks, well that too is illegal here in Arizona. The laws have become more and more strict about giving work to illegals in Arizona but it hasn’t changed a thing, so since our federal government wouldn’t help our legislation took matters into their own hands. And if being asked for your ID is such a hastle in your life then I want to live where you live, because that is not harassment at all.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    my comments aren’t showing up. Reading police reports allen proves my point. This law is not in effect until July 29,2010. A police report shows that this law changes nothing about what a police officer can and cannot stop you for. They just get to ask for ID under all “stop related” circumstances. And if showing your ID is harassment then I want to live where you live because harassment to me is, a feeling of intense annoyance caused by being tormented – can i see your id = torment (not unless your retarded)

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Thanks Joel O’s, I didn’t see the links until now. I’ll be sure to check them out.

  • RV

    NBK, what about only asking certain people for their ID? Would that not be harrassment? Your definition may include torment, but that’s not the legal definition. However, the legal definition does include the words “racial prejudice”.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    You know why the US doesn’t fork out more money to stop illegal immigration? Because the freaking economy DEPENDS ON THESE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! More people would be out of work if there were no illegal immigrants, than there are now due to the employment of them. So stop acting like you’re all doing them a big f*cking favour–THEY work hard for their living. YOU aren’t doing their work for them, and YOU wouldn’t be willing to sacrifice as much as they do to be in this country.
    So cool it with the whole “I don’t want to do them any favors” nonsense, alright?

  • Benito

    I hope that every American, regardless of where he lives, will stop and examine his conscience about this and other related incidents. This Nation was founded by men of many nations and backgrounds. It was founded on the principle that all men are created equal, and that the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened. All of us ought to have the right to be treated as he would wish to be treated, as one would wish his children to be treated, but this is not the case.

    I know the proponents of this law say that the majority approves of this law, but the majority is not always right. Would women or non-whites have the vote if we listen to the majority of the day, would the non-whites have equal rights (and equal access to churches, housing, restaurants, hotels, retail stores, schools, colleges and yes water fountains) if we listen to the majority of the day? We all know the answer, a resounding, NO!

    Today we are committed to a worldwide struggle to promote and protect the rights of all who wish to be free. In a time of domestic crisis men of good will and generosity should be able to unite regardless of party or politics and do what is right, not what is just popular with the majority. Some men comprehend discrimination by never have experiencing it in their lives, but the majority will only understand after it happens to them.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Are the going into businesses where there is a “reasonable suspicion” they may be hiring illegals and demanding to see all of their W-2′s and copies of the social security card and IDs for all employees?
    If they’re not doing that, then the laws for companies and the laws for people are not equivalent. Which was my point.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Or, are the police showing up at construction sites and demanding to see the records for the construction company to review them for possible illegal immigrants?
    You can think I’m “retarded” or “stupid” or whatever, that’s cool.
    I know that you have argued that racial profiling is already occurring, so this law can’t be that bad. You have argued that being required to carry ID on you at all times is in the Constitution. And you’ve argued that a law that actually does NOTHING to stem the tide of illegal immigration, nor does it actually deport illegal immigrants, is some sort of solution to this enormous problem.
    I think those positions would appear “stupid” and “retarded” to most intelligent folks.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Here is how I have understood and interpreted Arizona’s new immigration laws, SB1070 the original law that is causing all of this racism in arizona is legal talk alone is basically racist. But the HB 2162, which bars state officers from checking a person’s immigration status unless a) the person was legally stopped “in the enforcement of” a state law or local ordinance, and b) the officer had reasonable suspicion that the person was an illegal alien. HB 2162 also flatly prohibited officers from considering race, color or national origin when enforcing its provisions. Allen were you aware of HB2162? cuz I feel like most of america is only aware of SB1070 which in and of itself is racist.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And idk exactly what or how the government is enforcing the illegal immigrant employment law but I know that the threat of 2+ years of Jail Time and ehh I forgot what the fine was, is enough to scare most business owners from hiring illegals.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Should I say Knowingly hiring illegals. To think that a $4 Billion Dollar a year business (smuggling of illegals to Arizona for ransom, or bribe) doesn’t have a way of falsifying Identification so that a local business wouldn’t notice.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    would be ignorant

  • drewl

    no one is illegal

  • http://5208SANTAANADRIVE julie

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  • Benito

    “All Men are created equal”! The founders had it right, when attempting to form a perfect union and they also knew that they were not there yet but knew we one day would get there. Lincoln moved us forward as did JFK and LBJ. This Nation was founded by men of many nations and backgrounds. It was founded on the principle that all men are created equal, and that the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened.

    It is my contention that this AZ law is not constitutional and will fail when challenged (unless, of course, they keep adding more amendments), pretty funny for this so called perfect law, that many internet blogs claim it was copied “Word for Word” from the Federal law, which I frankly do not believe, if it was then no amendments would have been made, right?, of course.

    As for the undocumented workers, as was attributed to Ronald Reagan “It’s the Economy, Stupid”. When the economy is good we say let’s all celebrate “Cinco de Mayo, my brothers” but when the economy is down “it’s all your fault, you damn immigrant”. This too will pass. The real problem is the narcosis/drug and people smuggler that’s what the focus should be on.

    Don’t you find it funny that no one ever voted for Brewer for Governor, it’s all about politics and getting elected, do not be fooled. Busy Brewer has passed S.B. 1070, no permit conceal weapons law, the famous Birthers law, banning Ethic studies law, and if history is a lesson she should look up Arizona’s House Bill 2779 from two years ago (which failed when legally challenged) and the craziest one the boycotted Martin Luther King Day, not wanting another holiday, how crazy is that. I believe there is an undercurrent to their enactment of new laws, they real love following a distinct pattern. Poor Brewer, she had a bad week, first she said her Dad had died in Germany fighting the Nazi and we find out he never was in Germany and died in California and then she went to Washington and came back empty as always, poor dear.

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