Kobe Bryant’s Wife Makes Immigration Law Statement

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And I don’t think me being in Arizona means I know more about the bill, reading the bill and different views on the bill and what it means to different groups of people, considering i work with many immigrants and have their take on the bill. Most are against aspects of it and have the same concerns as everyone else but the way it’s seen is as kind of necessary and fair to those that work hard to get into our country legally. Concerns of racism are present in every state and a law that permits a police officer to ask for ID is concerning but seriously it’s that big of a deal? You are more worried about your constitutional right to not have to show proper documentation then the right to your own national benefits (healthcare,law enforcement, government housing, tax dollars). Because that is what your trading – acting like a person doesn’t judge people because it is not permitted by law is blissfully ignorant apparently.

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And if you haven’t read the bill and have gaied your opinion from what has been presented to you in the media I ask you to read it. Look at what reasonable suspiscion means under the bill not in the eyes of your local anchorman.

Brickshooting J

I say deport her to Spain!! We need more ladies like that over here, you know.

Mauritz

Problem is, the police now get an excuse to ask ID for whomever they want. And let’s be real here: the police are practically above tha law already. The percentage of legal complaints against police officers that leads to verdicts are well below 1%, and we still have a huge unknown number of crimes commited by police (because of this). So to further their authority, based on race (and it can’t be news to anyone that the police (talking about the authority in total here, not the individual officers) is racist) no less, is simply worrysome. It’s not as if these extremely poor and awfully exploited people aren’t persecuted enough already. The same people who passed this law probably uses some of them as cheap labour in their own homes.

http://Slam Ruach Tang

the Bryant fam have their hands full.

http://theurbangriot.com/ NUPE

The AZ bill is not equal to the Federal Laws (that AZ claims are not enforced). IF AZ law just mimiced the fed law and then enforced it, there wouldn’t be an issue. The problem with the law is that it provides cops too much discretion due to the undefined ‘suspicion’ standards that can be used as another way to profile people. I think everyone agrees that illegal immigaration is wrong, but the issue with the law is that removing/reducing individual civil rights by essentially allowing cops to profile is wrong also. The saying two wrongs don’t make a right comes to mind.

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Also, some people argue/claim that the illegals are hurting the American economy. However, there was a study done in Ca about three years ago that concluded that the economy has been able to grow in part because of the illegal work-force. They argue that because so many illegals are working on farms and doing other unskilled or skilled labor types of job for significantly less than minimum wage, a lot of produce and other products we buy are cheaper and have stimulated/sustained spending and improved living standards etc. Let’s be clear it was NOT the illegals that were running the banks, mortgage companies and investment firms etc. who ’caused’ the US economy to go down. Illegals should not be here but don’t place blame on them for things they are not accountable for.

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NBK
It’s not about what reasonable suspicion is in the law, it’s what reasonable suspicion is in the eyes of the police, district attorneys and judges. And, reasonable suspicion is a very broad thing as I outlined on the other post.
Also, this law does not solve the immigration problem. These folks will only receive a misdeamnor ticket. They will not be deported. How does this actually help remove illegal immigrants from America?
For those who are unaware, the law states that if the police stop you for another violation, say an illegal lane change, or coming to an improper stop at a stop sign, they can demand you prove that you are a legal resident if they then have a reasonable suspicion that you are an illegal immigrant.
Now, the obvious problem with this law is that how are local police going to generate reasonable suspicion about someone’s immigration status? It is a very REAL concern that the discretion granted under this law will result in many Latino citizens being stopped and hassled simply because they fit a cop’s stereotype of an illegal immigrant. Sure, their will be cops who use their powers honorably, that is always the case. But, what percentage of dishonorable cops hassling legal citizens in acceptable? I think that percentage varies based on your personal experience with racial profiling and its consequences.

RV

I dont understand why some assume that if you’re against this law you must be against punishing illegal immigrants. all this “so it’s ok to be illegal” crap needs to end. It doesnt necessarily mean that. Stop trying to make it about the illegals. It’s not. It’s about the LEGAL people, who will be harassed because they look illegal, why is that difficult to understand? Let’s not act like we all carry ID 24/7 either. What do you think will be the difference when someone who looks “american” and someone who looks “mexican” are both stopped for a traffic violation and both forgot their ID at home? The difference is only one of them will be detained because their legality is in question.

http://www.youtube.com/user/CathedralsRecords?feature=mhw4 Earl

Now that Anton’s team is knocked out, he just makes fun of everybody on the Lakers. Sore loser.

Emmett

I have an idea to stop illegal immigration. Deploy the National Guard from affected states ( California, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas ) along the Mexican border, have them build a fortified wall around the WHOLE length of the border, and when it is completed, leave some of the troops to aid in patrolling the border. This might even cost less than making new laws.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm nbk

For a real run-down on the law click my name. Allen gets the gist of it but he still does not understand the law completely. A police officer is not permitted to stop anyone for the way they look. There is no right to harass anyone for any reason. Asking for identification to a person during any legitimate contact made by an official or agency of the state or a county, city, town or political subdivision. You see the phrase LEGITIMATE CONTACT, it means an officer must have a as allenp said “police stop you for another violation, say an illegal lane change, or coming to an improper stop at a stop sign, they can demand you prove that you are a legal resident” Which is what giving your ID to a police officer so he can fill out the citation already is.

http://slamonline.com Allenp

NBK
Typically, police officers cannot demand identification from everybody in the car when they stop you for an improper lane change.
Under this law, if they have a “reasonable suspicion” they can.
This law also is not confined to drivers. If you are a pedestrian, officers can stop for “suspicious activity” (which can mean you stuffed your hands in you pocket when you saw a cop, or turned to walk in the other direction) and then while they are questioning you, they can demand ID.
Also, I’m quite sure that the original US constitution did not require identification be carried at all times, since that would have been impossible for most of the non-slave population.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm nbk

Its in the constitution NOW which is all that matters. They do make amendments and revisions. And if you refuse to show ID while operating a vehicle the police officer has the right to imprison you. Plus it is not a misdemeanor only if your caught here illegally. It also comes with up to 6 months of jail, which in all honesty is better then getting deported for some illegals. But all are illegals caught here or trying to get here are turned over to the federal law enforcement which can and often does result in deportation. But those that are not deported are taking room in our prisons and money out of our pockets. Which comes back to spending money on illegals that should be spent on tax paying Americans. And no putting your hands in your pockets while walking down the street does not justify any sort of police stop, if the officer used that as his “suspicious” activity then that officer can be suspended or even fired. Jumping to conclusions about this law is what most of America is doing.

onlyclipsfanonslam

AllenP you are right and wrong. Under a traffic stop they can ask for everyone’s ID. Since it is a traffic stop there is probable cause. BUT if you are walking the streets and doing nothing wrong, you do not have to comply by giving the cops your ID. Another thing: you have a problem with legal people being harassed, but you don’t question the moral compass of illegals who are cheating the system? To me there is only one victim here and it is those that follow the rules. The people who will get harassed are the ones following the rules. But why do we have to go great lengths and harass innocent people? That’s right it’s because illegal immigrants are cheating the system to the point where the people who are doing the right thing are losing the benefits of doing the right thing. Just like an accounting firm going through an audit. Why is there an audit? Because there are one or two bad apples. Who gets punished? All the good apples.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm nbk

The police cannot stop you on the street for putting your hands in your pockets or walking the other way. Lol if they do that, whether you are legal or not you have the right to report that officer. Its why they have badge numbers. Ya’ll are overreacting and making up these crazy stipulations that make the law racist.

http://slamonline.com Allenp

NBK
I have read actual police reports where that’s the reason for the pedestrian stop. This isn’t some game, this is real life examples I’m using from the hundreds of police reports I’ve reviewed as part of my job.
The police can deem you suspicious if you walk away abruptly, if you put your hands in your pockets. Hell, if look around furtively, they can deem you suspicious and ask you questions. If you circle the block too many times, if you drive too slow in a neighborhood, those are all suspicious activities and grounds for a traffic stop. You can either believe me, or actually do some searching on the internet and verify it yourself.
Clipsfan
Technically, the police do not have a legal right to request identification from your passengers if you get pulled over for speeding. They do it all the time, but legally you do not have to comply since you are not engaged in an illegal activity as a passenger, nor or you an accessory. At least that’s how I understand it.

RV

@onlyclipsfan….once AGAIN…just because someone doesnt like the law doesnt mean they are ok with illegal immigration. You’re ASSUMING Allenp is cool with illegals cheating the system and he hasnt said so and i doubt he is. That’s part of the reason why people don’t get anywhere, everyone wants to assume those who protest the law are defending illegal activities.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm nbk

well allen the law isn’t in effect until JULY 29, 2010. So you are reading police reports of things that have happened before that law. So there is something else for you to complain about that has nothing to do with this law. And your right a passenger in a vehicle does not have to show Identification. This law does not stipulate any differently, it only applies to those people that have created the suspicious circumstance.

RV

yeah what allenp said…you dont even have to work in that are to know that…just watch COPS lol..you see them stopping people all the time who appear supicious because they ran or seemed to hide or throw something.

http://slamonline.com Allenp

Clipsfan
I don’t think it’s an acceptable policy to say that legal immigrants have to suffer because of the illegals.
1. When are the companies hiring illegals going to get laws passed targeting them and making legitimate companies suffer? Everybody knows that without the jobs, illegal immigrants would not come.
2. I am unwilling to tell other people they need to suffer needlessly because it makes things easier. I wouldn’t want to do that, so why would I require it of someone else.
Also, some info on your rights as a passenger:
Some commentators wrongly suggest that officers cannot even ask passengers’ names and can never request identification documents. One court relied on the Supreme Court decision in Muehler v. Mena to establish the bright line rule that an officer may ask a passenger for identifying information. United States v. Hernandez, 418 F.3d 1206 (11th Cir. 2005) (“arguments that the trooper asked questions unrelated to either officer safety, the speeding offense, or processing the citation are not determinative of our evaluation of the constitutionality of the seizure here. We are to look only at the duration of the seizure given all the circumstances: was it for an unreasonable time?”). When an officer uses a friendly, conversation tone (talk nice, think mean!) to request passenger identification, most courts rule that the request is voluntary and requires no reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. State v. Williams, 590 S.E.2d 151 (Ga. App. 2003); State v. Smith, 683 N.W.2d 542 (Iowa 2004); People v. Jackson, 39 P.3d 1174 (Colo. 2002). Other courts have allowed officers’ requests for passenger identification based on the need to record witnesses’ names, even on a traffic citation. State v. Jones, 5 P.3d 1012 (Kan. App. 2000), aff’d, 17 P.3d 359 (Kan. 2001); State v. Chagaris, 669 N.E.2d 92 (Ohio App. 1995); People v. Grant, 266 Cal.Rptr. 587 (Cal. App. 1990).

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm nbk

my comments are showing up so if i repeat myself i apologize. But Allen you are reading police reports yes? A police report is a report of something that has already happened yes? well the f’n law doesn’t come into effect until july 29, 2010. So your reading reports like i have been saying all along of examples of police officers doing what this law (does not stipulate anyway) is causing all of these protests about. Its ridiculous that arizona natives and supporters of this law are being labeled racist when the Police already to EVERYONE’s knowledge are stopping people for suspicious activity. This law (for some, most here apparently) just gives a face to a problem that has been persistent as long as law enforcement has been around. It does not change anything except it gives the police the right to ask for ID in circumstances where ID is not always necessary. For a LEGAL you now must show ID’s in situations that used to be “Ok sir try not to drive with your lights off again, this is a warning.” Stopping suspicious people on the street in Arizona (nobody is walking around the streets for the most part here anyway) is something that already happens but ya’ll didn’t care then.

http://slamonline.com Allenp

Basically, you don’t have to give them your ID. It’s only a voluntary request, not a command and not enforceable by law.
So, this law would seem to have some issues if it’s depending on being able to question passengers and demand ID to prove immigration status.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm nbk

And Allen you know very little about this subject, there was a law passed last year that put in stricter punishments for any person or business who is caught hiring illegals. And it is also illegal to hire someone for a one day job without asking for proof of proper documentation. Like you have probably heard jokes about picking up a person as your local home depot to help plant some trees for 50 bucks, well that too is illegal here in Arizona. The laws have become more and more strict about giving work to illegals in Arizona but it hasn’t changed a thing, so since our federal government wouldn’t help our legislation took matters into their own hands. And if being asked for your ID is such a hastle in your life then I want to live where you live, because that is not harassment at all.

http://slamonline.com nbk

my comments aren’t showing up. Reading police reports allen proves my point. This law is not in effect until July 29,2010. A police report shows that this law changes nothing about what a police officer can and cannot stop you for. They just get to ask for ID under all “stop related” circumstances. And if showing your ID is harassment then I want to live where you live because harassment to me is, a feeling of intense annoyance caused by being tormented – can i see your id = torment (not unless your retarded)

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Thanks Joel O’s, I didn’t see the links until now. I’ll be sure to check them out.

RV

NBK, what about only asking certain people for their ID? Would that not be harrassment? Your definition may include torment, but that’s not the legal definition. However, the legal definition does include the words “racial prejudice”.

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You know why the US doesn’t fork out more money to stop illegal immigration? Because the freaking economy DEPENDS ON THESE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! More people would be out of work if there were no illegal immigrants, than there are now due to the employment of them. So stop acting like you’re all doing them a big f*cking favour–THEY work hard for their living. YOU aren’t doing their work for them, and YOU wouldn’t be willing to sacrifice as much as they do to be in this country.
So cool it with the whole “I don’t want to do them any favors” nonsense, alright?

Benito

I hope that every American, regardless of where he lives, will stop and examine his conscience about this and other related incidents. This Nation was founded by men of many nations and backgrounds. It was founded on the principle that all men are created equal, and that the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened. All of us ought to have the right to be treated as he would wish to be treated, as one would wish his children to be treated, but this is not the case.

I know the proponents of this law say that the majority approves of this law, but the majority is not always right. Would women or non-whites have the vote if we listen to the majority of the day, would the non-whites have equal rights (and equal access to churches, housing, restaurants, hotels, retail stores, schools, colleges and yes water fountains) if we listen to the majority of the day? We all know the answer, a resounding, NO!

Today we are committed to a worldwide struggle to promote and protect the rights of all who wish to be free. In a time of domestic crisis men of good will and generosity should be able to unite regardless of party or politics and do what is right, not what is just popular with the majority. Some men comprehend discrimination by never have experiencing it in their lives, but the majority will only understand after it happens to them.

http://slamonline.com Allenp

NBK
Are the going into businesses where there is a “reasonable suspicion” they may be hiring illegals and demanding to see all of their W-2′s and copies of the social security card and IDs for all employees?
If they’re not doing that, then the laws for companies and the laws for people are not equivalent. Which was my point.

http://slamonline.com Allenp

Or, are the police showing up at construction sites and demanding to see the records for the construction company to review them for possible illegal immigrants?
You can think I’m “retarded” or “stupid” or whatever, that’s cool.
I know that you have argued that racial profiling is already occurring, so this law can’t be that bad. You have argued that being required to carry ID on you at all times is in the Constitution. And you’ve argued that a law that actually does NOTHING to stem the tide of illegal immigration, nor does it actually deport illegal immigrants, is some sort of solution to this enormous problem.
I think those positions would appear “stupid” and “retarded” to most intelligent folks.

http://slamonline.com nbk

Here is how I have understood and interpreted Arizona’s new immigration laws, SB1070 the original law that is causing all of this racism in arizona is legal talk alone is basically racist. But the HB 2162, which bars state officers from checking a person’s immigration status unless a) the person was legally stopped “in the enforcement of” a state law or local ordinance, and b) the officer had reasonable suspicion that the person was an illegal alien. HB 2162 also flatly prohibited officers from considering race, color or national origin when enforcing its provisions. Allen were you aware of HB2162? cuz I feel like most of america is only aware of SB1070 which in and of itself is racist.

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And idk exactly what or how the government is enforcing the illegal immigrant employment law but I know that the threat of 2+ years of Jail Time and ehh I forgot what the fine was, is enough to scare most business owners from hiring illegals.

http://slamonline.com nbk

Should I say Knowingly hiring illegals. To think that a $4 Billion Dollar a year business (smuggling of illegals to Arizona for ransom, or bribe) doesn’t have a way of falsifying Identification so that a local business wouldn’t notice.

http://slamonline.com nbk

would be ignorant

drewl

no one is illegal

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Benito

“All Men are created equal”! The founders had it right, when attempting to form a perfect union and they also knew that they were not there yet but knew we one day would get there. Lincoln moved us forward as did JFK and LBJ. This Nation was founded by men of many nations and backgrounds. It was founded on the principle that all men are created equal, and that the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened.

It is my contention that this AZ law is not constitutional and will fail when challenged (unless, of course, they keep adding more amendments), pretty funny for this so called perfect law, that many internet blogs claim it was copied “Word for Word” from the Federal law, which I frankly do not believe, if it was then no amendments would have been made, right?, of course.

As for the undocumented workers, as was attributed to Ronald Reagan “It’s the Economy, Stupid”. When the economy is good we say let’s all celebrate “Cinco de Mayo, my brothers” but when the economy is down “it’s all your fault, you damn immigrant”. This too will pass. The real problem is the narcosis/drug and people smuggler that’s what the focus should be on.

Don’t you find it funny that no one ever voted for Brewer for Governor, it’s all about politics and getting elected, do not be fooled. Busy Brewer has passed S.B. 1070, no permit conceal weapons law, the famous Birthers law, banning Ethic studies law, and if history is a lesson she should look up Arizona’s House Bill 2779 from two years ago (which failed when legally challenged) and the craziest one the boycotted Martin Luther King Day, not wanting another holiday, how crazy is that. I believe there is an undercurrent to their enactment of new laws, they real love following a distinct pattern. Poor Brewer, she had a bad week, first she said her Dad had died in Germany fighting the Nazi and we find out he never was in Germany and died in California and then she went to Washington and came back empty as always, poor dear.

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