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Wednesday, May 12th, 2010 at 9:00 am  |  264 responses

LeBron James, Cavs’ Game 5 Collapse Shocks Everyone

by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

LeBron’s performance last night in his team’s biggest game of the season was, above anything else, confusing.

The reigning 2-time MVP played a passive, almost disinterested game (15 points on 3/14 shooting), and as a result, his Cavs are now on the brink of elimination.

While most of the blame for the shocking collapse falls in James’ lap (and rightly so), team owner Dan Gilbert is wondering about the rest of his employees. Speaking to the Plain Dealer in the wee hours of this morning, Gilbert questions Cleveland’s resolve and will to win:

“Our entire franchise has done everything in its power to put all of our players and its coaching staff in the best possible position to execute when it counts,” Gilbert said. “And to deliver to the highly supportive fans of Cleveland a proud, intense, impassioned all-out drive to achieve a championship.”

“The last two home playoff losses and the manner in which we lost these games does not come close to being anywhere near the high expectations all of us have of our organization. Our fans and supporters deserve more. Above all, the fans of the Cleveland Cavaliers, as well as the entire franchise, deserve and need our players and coaches to dig deep within themselves,” Gilbert said.

Despite his disappointment in the losses, Gilbert, who is known for his optimism, said he’s confident his team will be able to rebound in Game 6. “We have to ask ourselves two questions,” he said. “Will we remember who we are and choose to impose our will on our opponent for the remainder of this series and beyond? And how much do we want it? I believe in our players, our coaching staff and our entire franchise. This series is not over.”

During an equally bizarre performance during the postgame press conference, LeBron said he’s not worried about where his team stands at the moment, and Shaq pointed out the obvious by saying the Cavs just need to win the next two games.

The entire state of Ohio is in shock right now. Starting Thursday night, LeBron James and the rest of the Cavs need to give them reason not to completely jump off the ledge.

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  • pistol

    Guess he’s got more important things on his mind right now – “Knicks, Heat, Nets…mmm, who can pay me the most money to tease the fans for the next 7 years?”
    Wake up LeBron! Your time is now, go get it son!!

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    Did anyone catch when Lebron tossed his sleeve in anger? Dude threw it all the way to Manhattan!!!!

  • tomtom

    Que the ‘its his elbow’ and ‘others have to pick up the slack’. Fact is this guy is building a reputation for choking when it counts, thats on him nobody else. Also i hate it when owners talk about the teams performance, fair enough if its a NJN situation where you cant leave the situation unmentioned, but this is a contending team. They dont need a lecture from some suit. You sir are an open wallet and nothing else, dont confuse your place.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    I don’t know if I’ve ever seen LBJ pull a Mo Williams in the playoffs like that before…did he even want to win? Now they have to beat the Celts at home to stay alive…this is gonna be a tough one. Boston in 6…

  • Ken

    He had a bad game. It happens. If he plays like that again in Game 6, then the Cavs should really worry. I think its more likely though that he finishes out the season playing like a beast.It might be too late, but I think when people look back, they’ll point to this as just one bad game. Incredibly badly timed, but not like it was the end of LBJ trying.

  • http://www.nba.com/suns Dacre

    How does a guy that ALWAYS has the ball in his hands only get 14 shots? I mean, he brings the ball up the court, he posts, gets out on the break… who does he need to give the ball up to so much that he only gets 14 shots? This aint the Olympic Team LeBron…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    If I can give my impression (since I’m hoping the Cavs lose Game 6 and the possibility of Bron coming to the Heat becomes more than a potential pipedream)I really do think his elbow is a problem. The only two things he did with any consistency that didn’t seem affected were his free-throws (yes, I know he missed some but the stroke looked ok) and his passing. Whenever he drove he was just accepting of the contact the Celts were giving him instead of bulling through cats like he normally does and his jumper was short all night, and while he’s no Ray Allen from the perimiter, most people that have played the game with some type of injury to the shooting arm knows that short shots are a sure sign of some type of injury (like Kobe’s rough shooting with the finger for an extended period). He didn’t use it as an excuse which is commendable, but I think the last two games have shown that he’s just not the same player he was three games ago. Now, if he comes back on Thursday and goes for 40 and the Cavs win, there was some kind of overriding factor that allowed this series to have unexpected drama. All that being said, besides Shaq (who’d think I’d write that) the rest of the Cavs and the Grimace were equally as bad as Bron was. That’s not even debatable.

  • Rob

    This was fun to watch. I never thought I’d say this but I really hope the Celtics win game 6.

  • NAS

    Lebron is a PUNK – MJ / KOBE / MAGIC / BIRD etc all stayed with one team, through strong determination took their teams from losing situations (for the most part) to winning ones, they didnt run away cuz they couldnt hang with the big biys

    Jordan made BJ, KERR, etc look like ALL STARS, Bron is making ALLSTARS look like punks, frickin 78 year old SHAQ scored more than HIM, UNBELIEVABLE

    In fairness BROWN is NOT much of a COACH either

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    It was only one game of shi*tiness, no?

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    throughout this series he was letting the game come through him including that game 3. he started shooting jumpshots and it all falls down so that sends him a great vibe and boom domino effect all game. he did the same in game 5. opposite effect.

  • mAMba

    Don’t blame the elbow when a week ago in Game 3 he comes out dominating and drops 38. The elbow is not a problem and great players overcome injuries and LeBust needs to learn not. If he isnt using it as an excuse than why should any of us. LBJ is a drama queen and wants to set up a “miracle comeback” against the Celtics down 3-2 and save the city of Cleveland. I can’t wait for the c’s to close it out in the garden.

  • http://joe_c_jr@att.net Joe

    I think they have tuned out the coach and the owner is trying to fill that void and get them fired up.

  • http://myspace.com/dontdiecindy Bryan

    I don’t think the sky is falling but I do see a difference and its all mental Lebron may act like the King and like hes already won, but the Celts actually have won and they know what it takes to win. With the exception of Shaq none of the cavs know how to win.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    and of course brown can’t yell on bron. i wonder how could Phil, SVG, and Pop yell at their superstars?

  • BackInBlack

    Damn guy has to start to demand the ball more

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    bryan: all champions have no experience of winning it all before winning their first. but all champions took that big step en route to winning their first.

  • http://myspace.com/dontdiecindy Bryan

    Not that either team has a chance against the Magic. But I do think Celts would make a better series.

  • http://myspace.com/dontdiecindy Bryan

    J my point was more about the Cavs overconfidence than the Celtics experience.

  • Gody

    my advice to the Cavs : kick da Mike, and to LeBron : go to Oklahoma, and be a Thunder, bro’!

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    ^ my bad. but i think we can agree on the fact that they’re not on doing the right thing for their stated goal…

  • CDef28

    LeBron’s performance last night was uninspiring to say the least. This looked a lot like one of Kobe’s games where he refuses to shoot. It’s not the fact that LeBron had a poor game, but he gave minimal effort. Hopefully he doesn’t do this again. Even if he leaves CLE, the city deserves better than this while he wears a Cavs jersey.

  • Aaron

    LBJ will likely win a ring at some point in his career, but for the moment he ain’t winning anything. And for the record, IMO he’s great but not the greatest. More about accolades than wins, and he’s too arrogant to help himself.

  • T-Money

    First of all, Bron played like a big pile of sh-t yesterday and looked completely disinterested in the game. That’s two bad games in a row. No excuses. But I don’t get why people are saying that he has a history of coming up weak in big games. Yeah, he lost big games but I remember him scoring 40+ vs Boston in game 7 two years ago and balling out of control last year vs Orlando. This is not typical, to say the least. / Another issue: Mike Brown got cokcy with his defensive system thinking he could integrate any players in it. Flash news: Mo Williams and Twan have been HORRIBLE defenders throughout their careers. I wouldn’t be mad if Varejao spent all game on KG. Mo Williams can not play. He let Ray AND Rondo go off in the 3rd. The season is on the line and he has to sit. / That being said, this is not a best of 5. Bron has two games to make it up. How bad does he want it? It’s not a make or break for his career but this will be part of his “Beyond the Glory” in 15 years.

  • BostonBaller

    Eboy, I was thinking there was more to the “injury” myself at first but he doesn’t seem to favor it and when his shot is on he keeps jack’n ‘em up there (especially when they blew the C’s out) When it’s not going well a great player takes it to the hole to get himself going, they don’t shoot jumpers. Please do not anoint the Magic as Champs of the east just yet. The Celtics weren’t supposed to even be in the playoffs let alone leading The Cavs so don’t think they couldn’t get it done. If the Cavs pull it off against us don’t count them out either. LBJ is still a beast.

  • JOE!

    Nas(?) must have forgotten that MJ went to Washington. And look at the players the other three played with when they won titles!

  • jumpman3224

    Most media and Cavs fans that I’ve talked to this morning are more upset with LBJ’s perceived lack of effort than his poor shooting. I’m not counting CLE out of the series, but I do think it is interesting that everytime the Cavs have made a move over the past few years (acquring Wallace/West mid-season, signing Mo, trading for Shaq, trading for Jamison, re-acquiring Z) we constantly hear that the Cavs have assembled the best team in the NBA and then when/if they lose in the 2nd season we hear/will likely hear that LBJ doesn’t have enough around him to win a championship. If the Cavs do lose the series I fully expect Mike Brown to get canned, Shaq to not get re-signed and LBJ to consider his options. That being said, let’s not put the C’s in the conference finals quite yet.

  • Captain Fantastic

    maybe lebron’s time of the month?

  • T-Money

    Bryan: I think both teams have a chance vs Orlando. Orlando ran trains against Charlotte and Atlanta. Orlando had to come from behind 2-3 to edge out a wounded Celtics team last year in 7 games last year and Dwight almost never plays well vs Perkins and Wallace. Cleveland basically built their team for Orlando and Twan and Mo won’t get abused by their matchups if they get there. The ECF will go 6 or 7 games.

  • kev

    coming from one of your true fans, Lebron that was a horrible effort last night!!!! He looks uninspired and lacks his signature passion for the game. Lebron I have been one of your biggest supporters, its one thing to go down fighting but don’t go out like a punk!

  • Bruno

    where’s the cavs coach??? why doesnt anyone blame him???

  • BostonBaller

    I think Doc should have gotten more coach of the year votes b/c he played it smart and slowly got his injured vets healthy and slipped them into the rotation to get them jelled. He knew they would lose more games that way but he also knew they needed the PT to get them back as a whole team. I’m sure we still have some nagging injuries but for the most part we are sucking it up and putting it all on the line. They know that the window is closing quickly and the only way to get it done is to go to war as one solid unit.

  • fred34

    Orlando just called – they said they dont care who wins, they’re gonna roll right over the C’s or the Cavs. So everyone can just calm down about the LBJ drama (unless you’re vying for him to come to your town that is).

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Ive stated this on the other post but please forgive me for posting this again here. it’s just… whew. where do i start. well just to answer Myles. i will still be a fan of both Lebron and the Cavs, whether they go separate ways or not. and guys what i’m going to say is NOT AN EXCUSE: seriously i’ve been blinding myself of this fact up to now. LeBron up to this point NEVER had a luxury of another superstar who can score when he’s throwing sh*t inside the court. NEVER he had a team that will blowout great teams in the playoffs wherein the other superstar will score 30 and Bron 20. this is supposedly “best team his ever had”. no one on this team can put big problems on the opposing team night in night out. but many of the problems can be pointed to directly to the coach. i just can’t believe that the second option on offense is Shaq and worst Mo. what’s happening to Williams is a combination of putting too much load on him on offense and him just can’t step up. as much as i love williams he is a 4th option on a championship team at best. shaq still can but the problem is we rely too much on the guy. there’s a limit to that guy. now lets go to Jamison. Jamison’s production is what i can blame most to the coaching staff as a whole. i’m really confused. what did we bring him in for? to knock down 3’s when shaq is doubled? just a stretch 4? the guy is putting up 20 and 10 before the trade and i can’t believe we don’t run a play for him. i mean aside from Lebron HE IS THE MOST POTENT GUY ON OUR OFFENSE WHO CAN SCORE ON HIS OWN!!! i’m really disappointed of the fact that we can’t utilize him enough. WHY CAN’T THE COACHING STAFF SEE WHAT’S OBVIOUS?? why can’t they rely to Jamison to create on his own rather than get Shaq or Williams going? why can’t our offense give Jamison a chance to create on his own and impose another match-up problem for the opposing team? next defense: we should be CONSTANTLY putting pressure on Rondo ALL GAME LONG! why can’t we put Hickson on Garnett when Jamison can’t guard him? is there another problem on West? why did Brown never called him up in the 2nd half? why can’t we adjust when Rondo was exploding in the 3rd and that we know that Mo Williams is guarding him? on the course of Rondo’s big 3rd quarter the guy guarding him was Williams and the “different looks” was gone? why can’t brown adjust to what he’s seeing where us common fans can see? i still believe on Brown, but it just pains me to heart to see what i’m seeing on him. i can’t believe i have to say this after agreeing to what Anton said in the other post for Mike Brown. i give a big credit to boston but it’s more of a matter of us stepping up. how HUNGRY are we?

  • http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/nursetpd/TSB/Danny_Ainge_Shamwow.gif ENDS

    it was just more about his lack of commiting to driving to the cup. he always gets the and ones. This is how he would look if refs didnt give him every single call. Yesterday they most def. did not

  • jumpman3224

    @Bruno: trust me in Cleveland there is a lot of blame for him regaring last night. Word is that Coach Cal was sitting with/near Dan Gilbert last night (can anyone confirm that). Mike Brown is getting massive criticism for his rotations of players, his poor offense and his inability to stand up to/inspire LBJ.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    What I found more interesting about the game last night was Rondo’s play. He basically did sh*t in the first half by design, and then went off in the second half, seemingly at will. I know damn well the announcers wanted to say it, but HE was the one who turned his game up when his team needed it. Rondo is gangsta, straight up and down…and I hate the dude, but that little long-armed bitch is in the top three of the point guards in the league (sorry Deron, you’re a bum in the playoffs just like everyone here says Lebron is)and if Nash can somehow find a way to get his boys past the Lakers he may move back into the #1 spot with Rondo at #2.

  • mj23

    For a minute, I thought I was watching the Hawks play last night. The Cavs were just embarrassing on their home floor. I don’t think this is what Danny Ferry had envisioned when he brought in Shaq and Jamison. They will have a lot of pressure on Thursday since almost every so called “expert” was predicting for them to win the Championship. Regardless of the outcome of this series, the Magic will be well rested and have no problem moving on to the Finals.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    What I found more interesting about the game last night was Rondo’s play. He basically did sh*t in the first half by design, and then went off in the second half, seemingly at will. I know damn well the announcers wanted to say it, but HE was the one who turned his game up when his team needed it. Rondo is gangsta, straight up and down…and I hate the dude, but that little long-armed bi*ch is in the top three of the point guards in the league (sorry Deron, you’re a bum in the playoffs just like everyone here says Lebron is)and if Nash can somehow find a way to get his boys past the Lakers he may move back into the #1 spot with Rondo at #2.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    T-money: i swear Mo, will again be abused by Nelson. and i don’t get that “this team is built for Orlando”. last year it was “this team was built for Boston”. if that’s the case then we will have a team to eliminate us each year.

  • mj23

    Jameer Nelson has also been outstanding for the Magic so far in the playoffs. If Celtics move on to the Eastern Conference Finals the Rondo-Nelson match-up will be fun to watch. Both are extremely quick guards and great passers. I think if Nelson had been playing like this last year, they could’ve beat the Lakers.

  • BostonBaller

    Bruno, Grimace has been getting plenty of blame. lol. Jumpman, trust me, nothing is written in stone and there aren’t many true fans here putting the C’s in the ECF just yet, I know I’m not. Being up 3-2 gives us a big advantage but The Cavs still have LBJ. Our D must be on point and active in order to take game 6.

  • jumpman3224

    @BostonBaller: Kudos on having the right attitude.

  • T-Money

    J: The Cavs don’t have a glaring mismatch vs Orlando, that’s just facts. Don’t mean they’ll beat them if they get there but it won’t be a match up issue. Orlando didn’t have a clear mismatch vs LA and still got pummelled.

  • Logues

    wanna see the c’s beat the cavs so bad. i think they will cuz they are at home and rondo plays even better at home along with their bench, but i wouldnt be surprised if the cavs came back and took the series.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    E:Deron is a bum in the playoffs? He Avg. over 20 and 10! And he gave Chauncey “Horseface” Billups the biz in the first round. He just ran into the Lakers. And given the performance last night I’m convinced that was Dirk Nowitzki in a LeBron James Avatar body last night.

  • T-Money

    E: No love for CP3? It’s really what-have-you-done-for-me-lately for the NBA pgs, eh? CP3 finished the year at 19 and 11 and that was an injury-ridden year. He’s still the best pg in the game.

  • jumpman3224

    @T-Money: KB24 vs. C.Lee and Pietrus hurt Orlando last year…a lot.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    LeDirk Jowitzki.

  • mAMba

    Deron a bum? Get outta here. Only pg to drop over 20 and 10 in the first 5 games of a series

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm…….aren’t all of you saying the same thing about Lebron for having one bad game? What’s Lebron’s averages for the playoffs? And when you are continually outplayed by Derek Fisher, you’re a bum. Sorry. CP3 is # 3 at this point.

  • Joey E.

    I guess LeBron really didn’t want to. I think his plan was to get everyone going in the first, thats why he took no shots. He was going to do what Kobe does. Get everyone involved, then if he has to, score later. But it backfired

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Nobody said that Bron was a bum in the playoffs. He was just a bum last night. And Deron? He and CP3 are the two best PGs in the game right now. I don’t think that’s even debatable. The only question is who’s #1 and who’s #2. I agree that Rondo is #3, but that’s what I thought before this series. Nash has a favorable matchup in the WCF, but they still won’t threaten the Lakers, who should win in 5, 6 max.

  • d’bri

    “I spoil a lot of people with my play. When you have 3 bad games in a 7-year career, it is easy to point that out.”

    Quote from LBJ from last night. Hey Mr. MVP? it’s not that you had a bad game, it’s that you failed to show up and compete in the biggest game of the season. Being a repeat MVP winner, I would guess that it might be OK to expect a little more than that? Especially from someone who calls himself “the King” or “The Chosen One”

  • Stephen

    So he undermines his coach, fails to inspire or lead his teammates, completely abandoned the aggressive play he’s known for and couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. Maybe now some of these simpletons will realize that ‘making your teammates better’ is about a lot more than passing them the ball. Sure, Bron has bad teammates, but he failed to galvanize them in any way whatsoever the past two games when a series was there for the taking. Didn’t do anything in the 4th in Boston, or anything at all last night. Maybe it’s time to consider that this wasn’t just one game. That it’s reflective of the fact that we’ve been hiding all along. LeBron James doesn’t know how to win.

  • JOE!

    Is it WRONG to expect Lebron’s teammates to step up? Basketball is a TEAM sport!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Eboy, when you say that Fisher outplayed Deron, what do you mean? Please explain that statement.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    You know, I have some vague memory of Lebron, the player who doesn’t know how to win, destroying a team from Detroit, all by himself, to get to the NBA Finals. Like 28 points in a row or some odd number like that. Not sure if that really happened, but it seems like it did. Probably a dream.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Stephen:
    “LeBron James doesn’t know how to win.”
    Maybe you need to revisit that ECF game against the Pistons a couple of years ago. You know, the one that propelled a very average team to the Finals?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Is this the real Tariq or some imposter with an odd mark at the end of his screename? If you have to ask how we was outplayed, then the explanation would be lost too. Let’s just say Fish stepped up and made big plays, Deron disappeared, despite his numbers. Pretty simple.

  • Stephen

    You mean the Piston team that was too stupid to double team him? The Pistons team we later branded as malcontents and a massive disappointment? The Pistons who only showed up when they felt like it? Those Pistons? If were going to acknowledge what a disappointment that team was, then we can’t act like Bron did what he did against a great team. 28 straight points is awesome, those Pistons were not.

  • LA Huey

    LBJ haters smell blood in the water. Fact is, Cleveland waited too long to have the CDC quarantine Mo Williams.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oh….and just to make this fun, Michael didn’t win his first title until after his 7th full season, so let’s not act like Lebron and his potential loss here is finished at 25. Stop your ignorance.

  • T-Money

    Stephen: what about Orlando last year? He assaulted Pietrus and C. Lee for 6 straight games. Cleveland lost but Bron absolutely maimed them.

  • Stephen

    People cling to that Pistons moment because we all thought it was the beginning of something special. Turns out that Pistons team wasn’t that special and Bron hasn’t beaten a contender since.

  • Kas

    doesn’t “shock” me at all

  • Stephen

    Who cares when Michael won his first title? Does that mean there’s a script to be followed? This isn’t a movie and nothing is promised. If they manage to escape this there are two better teams waiting and the entire league could change this summer. Stop treating this reign as an inevitability and acknowledge that the mans career is halfway over with no titles in sight. .

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Is there still a game remaining in this series or is it actually over, over? The Celtics are already scheduled to play the Magic?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Stephen, were you fired from Lebron’s entourage or something? Career is halfway over? So he’s only going to play until he’s 32? You just showed your lack of knowledge about the game. Stop writing.

  • vecsey

    while I am certainly not rooting for cavs this year to win it all its obvious not the end of the world lebrons still ridiculously young IMO the supporting casts not that great to say the least even though they won 60+ they’re not playoff made mo is soft and defenseless antawn is servicable but can’t defend mike brown is dumb danny ferry is an idiot look what team he has put around simple fact paying anderson 10mil a season cmon now
    danny and mike brown must get the f**k out this summer

  • Stephen

    I just think there us knowledge and experience gained from winning. Like how to lead. When to survey and when to attack. How to conserve yourself. How to perform even when your game is off. How to exploit an opponents weakness and cover your own. And a whole host of other things that NBA players who have been to the mountaintop know that we don’t. LeBron is physicallyore imposing than anyone else who has played the game. But right now the difference between him and the all time greats is from the ears up.

  • peter

    the weird thing about his performance last night, wasn’t that he had a bad shooting night…it was all those times he was standing out on the wing about 5 feet behind the 3 point line while mo williams or antawn jamison freestyled on the other side of the court…it was bizarre…it was like he wasn’t on the court. Usually LeBron is everywhere on the court. Really strange game. I never thought I’d say this, but at least when Kobe is having a bad shooting game you damn sure know about it!

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    ^ that just means that every legend in this game is all at the same level with Bron before they ever won one right?

  • Stephen

    His age doesn’t matter, the mileage on his body does. If his career his halfway over that means he’d play 14 seasons. That’s a reasonable estimate, not a lack of knowledge. Just like KG and Kobe are showing that wear and tear in their early thirties, so will Bron. And this is barring any serious injuries of course. Nothing is promised.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    *that was a reply to stephen

  • vtrobot

    I want to hear from DeShawn and Mike Scorn. Jesus Shuttlesworth is Risen.

  • http://hoopmixtape.ning.com/ Simon S.Y Lawy

    Coach said: Lechoke, don’t worry ’bout ya crappy elbow, just shoot
    Lechoke said: i’m scare

  • Stephen

    Well, yeah. It does. That’s why when it comes down to it, the greats always measure themselves with championships. They’re the only thing that removes all doubt.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Geez. The elbow isn’t an EXCUSE if it is legit. If you’ve ever shot a basketball in real life (as opposed to NBA Live) you realize that it’s not even about playing through the pain. Even if you resist the pain, that little nagging zip of pain is enough to throw off your concentration every time you release your jumper.

  • Stephen

    Well yeah. It does. Because the greats measure themseles with championships. They’re the only thing that removes all doubt.

  • Elias

    Brad Long: LeDirk Jowitzki. Exactly what I’ve been saying. Lechoke is not only a hater name, it’s actually true. This is why Kobe is still the best player in the world, Duncan and Shaq are old, and Melo and Wade aren’t quite there and then Lebron can’t win. You can’t use his supporting cast as an excuse anymore. Lebron’s just like Dirk, win a lot of regular season games, post monster stats and then choke in the playoffs in big games. Lebron needs to get a gameplan against other teams like Kobe, Kobe said that against some teams you gotta score a lot of points and then against some teams you gotta concentrate on some other part of the game. I’ll take everything back and give Lebron the title of the best in the world, if he comes back and wins the title.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    I’m not an imposter. “Outplayed” doesn’t mean simply hitting big shots. If that’s your definition, then Robert Horry “outplayed” Chris Webber. John Paxson “outplayed” Kevin Johnson and Dan Majerle. “Outplayed” is what Deron Williams did to Chauncey Billups.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Or what Rondo is doing to Mo Williams.

  • Stephen

    He seemed to be fine in game 3. He seemed fine in game 4 when he was admiring his own shot for the cameras. I’m sure he is hurt or he wouldn’t even bring it up, but if you’re going to brag about it when you’re winning, then you’re going to have trouble getting any sympathy when you lose.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Lotta wishful thinking going on in this thread. Nash and company aren’t getting past LA, Bron isn’t going to win a chip just cause some mythical equation eludes to it. And speaking of equations, if Bron winning the league MVP always results in Kobe winning Finals MVP, I’m all for it. Which raises the question: what’s better to win, if you could only win one? Finals MVP or League MVP? I bet Bron would give up the League MVP for a finals MVP any day. He’s gonna have to leave Ohio for that to happen.

  • CDef28

    BostonBaller: The Celtics were not supposed to be in the playoffs? Now you are being an idiot as well as a homer.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    @stephen: you said: “I just think there us knowledge and experience gained from winning….And a whole host of other things that NBA players who have been to the mountaintop know that we don’t….” that’s partially true BUT, how could he gain that if he hasn’t won yet. isn’t that you have to gain knowledge and experience in order for you to win? more often than not losing teaches you more than winning, and i think every great that won had their fair share.. well maybe except for russell.. it’s not that they become this cause they won, it’s more of a “they did this so they won”..or did i just misinterpret what you said?

  • CDef28

    To be fair to LeBron, Kobe has had multiple games in the playoffs where he takes this approach. Now if LeBron does it again on Thursday, then there’s a huge problem.

  • Stephen

    I agree with you. You do learn a lot from losing. But that’s just how to get there. Not what to do once you’re there or how to stay there. Those are the lessons he hasn’t learned yet and I don’t think he can learn them with this team. They’re too limited and I think he knows that. Plus everyone else is getting better. I hope he leaves and finally gets to play with a good partner so we can see what he’s really capable of.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Hey to be fair to the Cavs supporting cast, they did a great job in the season and against Chicago for the most part they were all right. Yeah Lebron has a terrible game when they needed him most, but I think a lot of this talk of choking has to do with the fact that we still think of the Celtics as a bunch of has-beens. The 2008 Celtics did not have Rondo at the elite level he’s played at the last 2 years.

  • http://www.sovainmag.com Sovainmag.com

    One thing we cant do is cast doubt on LeBron. Let’s not omit the skill level of James. He needs to face adveristy like the great NBA players do. If he can come back in a big way, this will cement his legacy–well not completely, but it will help out

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Sovainmag: Ehh, no. I’m playing the devil’s advocate here, but why can’t we question Lebron? Is he Joseph Ratzinger? I’m all for NOT condemning Lebron as a “big chokey failure who has wasted half his career”, but to fully absolve him of coming up short and make him infallible isn’t right either.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    I read the comments and it’s a double standard for this so called Chosen ONE, I have watched plenty of ball, and I blame last year on Bron and this year on him if he doesn’t step up. His coach is not an excuse, Lebron does what he wants when he wants, the cavs brought in a shooting guard to run point, and Lebron plays point forward too much. He should be in the post. Lebron needs to learn from Hakeem or Kobe about posting up. It’s no reason a 6 8 dude doesn’t have post moves. Second, Jamison has ball every year in the playoffs until now with the CAVS. This tells you everything, because Jamison is a bonafide second player for a team. He is just not hitting and Lebron can step up and say, let’s get Jamison some more shots. Also Lebron should have lobbied hard for the Amare trade and let JJ go, because they don’t play him now. JJ would not make a difference in these games, he CAN’T SHOOT. The players on teams follow their superstars and if he comes out not looking to kill, then it’s his fault, because I feel the Cavs have a good balanced team (THEY HAD THE BEST RECORD IN THE NBA two years in a row, NO EXCUSESE FOLKS). Question, you put Dwade’s killer instinct on these Cavs, they beat these Celtics, and that’s the truth. He has been anointed but what has he really done up to now, yes he lead a team to the Finals, but the Pistons Billups choked and the Spurs put the Cavs out in a 4 game sweep and the ratings sucked that year. Where was Lebron fan/peeps at for that year. He is King of the regular season, but who cares about that, the playoffs prove what you are. Last year he choked, this year is looking like the same thing, he really needs to work on his fundamentals, his dribbling is suspect, his shot needs a lot of work, and like what Jerry West said on the radio, he needs to be more selfish. Lebron has to want to win games with his shots and not try to get mo, delonte or shaq to provide a big bucket in crucial points. If Mo doesn’t go off in game one, does the Cavs lose, because Mo stepped up and now he is being blamed, but he is not a point guard or a scorer ( THIS IS WHY THEY BROUGHT JAMISON IN). Delonte is the best slasher on this team besides LeCrab Dribbler, and he can create shots on his own, start him and try JJ out at power forward for a while to see what you get. Since Lebron is choking, there will be no puppet commercials in our future. (DWIGHT NEEDS a PUPPET, because his team will dominate the East for a while) I don’t like Lebron’s game and probably will never until I feel and see he is worthy of the calling. Few are called, but it seems like he isn’t even chosen yet. Yes he is a regular season stat hoarder, who will have about 5 or 6 MVP’s but Orlando is not going anywhere and if I was Miami and would get Bosh and then Lebron really is in trouble. Lebron looks like he can’t handle the pressure of being call the best by some folks (not me) but let’s see a two time MVP do something. It’s easy to barrel over folks when you are up by 6 or take bad jumpers, but it’s harder to shoot and hit jumpers when you are down by ten. Will the real Lebron please stand up, naw Lebron just sit down, because your game is getting wacker by second and please go work on a post move, a go to dribble move (not crab dribble), hire mark price from the Hawks to help you shoot and ask MJ to pray for you to be selfish, where teammates might hate you sometimes, but you win (ask steve kerr, pippen, grant, bj and others), and LeDance Revolution please cut out all the dancing and hand shaking that you do before and during games, because now it looks sad , plus save that crap for Lebron Jr at home. (BOOK IT)!!!

  • dsleepy

    J at 10:04AM: speaks the truth. i hate the cavs but as a lifelong wiz fan (i know, i know..) i can attest to jamison being a true 20/10 guy when used properly and even though he wears the enemy’s jersey now he is still my fav. player, comes to work and does it the right way. mike brown is an idiot.

  • Orlando Green

    There will be blood in the water, and the sharks will come! (In an Anton Vanko voice)

    Bye bye LBJ! At what point will the media strip him of his “King” nickname?!?

  • http://slamonline.com CB 34

    @eboy: First off, Deron still holds the number 1 spot but Rondo is a very close second. Deron was outmatched playing the lakers and there really wasn’t anything he could have done. Yeah Fish had a good series but he didn’t tear him up like the way you’re making it sound. Paul isn’t even 3, that goes to Rose or Nash which puts Paul at 5.Bron’s still pulling this one off. They are winning game 6 and 7.

  • Orlando Green

    Check that Ivan Vanko

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Derrick Rose is better than CP3? Wow.

  • truthteller

    Is this deja vu of last season?

  • unrel

    where’d all the kobe haters gone?

  • Chris C

    Kobe did the same thing against the suns a couple of years ago in game 6 (an elimination game). He mailed it in to show he needs more help to win. Not saying it was the right thing to do but it was a business move. His supporting cast is a bunch of B and C players that don’t step up in the playoffs

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I swear, I don’t even read half the comments on this site by certain posters. They’re just too stupid to respond to logically.

  • wilz

    i remember when i used to think eboy had semi-intelligent comments

  • riggs

    @CDef28: obviously you just started being a commentator around the playoffs, but for people like bostonballer and myself who post during the regular season, people were writing off the celtics saying that theyre barely going to make the playoffs.

  • unrel

    chris c.. the difference.. kobe was on an 7/8 seed team.. with no chance of beating the suns.. bron is on a team that was penciled in to win it all.. and b/c teammates.. they have the 2 time mvp, an all star PG, a center that will ‘win a ring for the king’, a brazilian that’s on the all defense team and jamison who’s an all star and lead his team for a few years.. are they the best players?.. probably not.. but people can’t pump their chests out for the best record in the league.. and then throw the team under the bus after bron threw himself under it..

  • http://slamonline.com CB 34

    @ seed: You must be nuts calling Bron a choker. Dude, had a bad game, so what? It’s one game. I bet you can’t even remember his last bad game before this. Kobe has them all the time. It’s stupid to call him a choker because he always comes through even when they lose. Orlando wasn’t his fault. Did you even see his averages in that series? Against boston, Bron had 48 in game 7 but it wasn’t enough. Yeah, he played like an ordinary player yesterday but don’t expect him to have two terrible games in a row with the season literally riding on it. It’s moronic to even imply he’s not a big time player because he’s proved that over and over. Ridiculous! Cut the bias and call a spade a spade. It was one bad game and they will win 6 and 7. Don’t count him out.

  • http://slamonline.com CB 34

    @ eboy: Yes, Rose is better than Paul. That wasn’t a typo.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Wow.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Perhaps you’d like to qualify that statement by saying Rose is a better scorer, not a point-guard. Or a defender.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    seed: im not doing a double-standard for anyone, and i agree on you on some points. but please believe me it takes two to tango. I blame last year to bron and the team, and by whats happening now i still blame bron and the team. dont say it like its all brons fault cause he’s like he is this and that,. fact is everyone needs to step up. do you really think l.a. won because all kobe this and that? please if you just intend to lick the balls of your superstar don’t do it in others expense. Im not making bad coaching as an excuse, cause its straight up fact. same thing with lebrons garbage game last night. Would just great coaching or just great performance make a team win? no. IT TAKES BOTH. by the way of your post your somehow disregarding others effort on your team because of your ball sucking.

  • seppo

    If James is really that great, he should be able to score wehnever he wants to. Just force some shots, take it to the hoop, bully the defenders, be selfish. It should be easy for him to score.

  • ClydeSays

    Didn’t read every comment, but this is my favorite so far… Brad Long: “And given the performance last night I’m convinced that was Dirk Nowitzki in a LeBron James Avatar body last night. “

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    People will say it’s “ONE BAD GAME” — which, I guess, it is. But it’s also much more than that. Besides the magnitude of that game, probably the biggest game of Bron’s career, what also matters is the manner in which you have such a terrible game. The guy did not go down fighting in game 5. He was not simply fighting and battling through a terrible night. Instead, he damn near laid down and waved the white flag.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    J is probably the best example of a helluva passionate Cavs fan, with an objectivity rare in diehards nowadays, who is in shock after what happened in Game 5, and is thinking things through while venting on this site. This is why his comments are actually really worth reading as opposed to the people who are Lebron fans but aren’t Cav fans who are going nuts right now with their comments.

  • truthteller

    CB34: First of all, Please don’t even bring Kobe’s name into this mess. he’s doing fine with the Lakers on the West Coast and is averaging 30 ppg with a “banged up body” as the media put it. last year he did it with two broken fingers and not one of you haters had anything to say! So don’t say anything now! This is lebron’s mess and why isn’t it his fault last year and this year? when his team wins, he gets the glory and then when his team loses, “he comes through” according to you? You said LBron always come through even when his team loses? What the hell ind of statement is that? Are you retarded?

  • Jorge

    Michale and Kobe, you can relax now!!!LB just showed everyone that he doesn’t have enough to even be compared to you guys. Even in his post-game speech, he is arrogant, like he doesn’t owe anything to anybody.This how big money changes your attitude towards the game!!

  • http://slamonline.com JL

    problem with the cavs is lebron and the coach. lebron has a high usage rating, and although he is very efficient, his teammates get left out of the action a little (not that they don’t touch the ball, but they become jump shooters who wait). It’s easy to beat out teams in the regular season when they are not fully keying in to your team’s tendencies, but in the playoffs when there is every effort to dissect the offense and stop it, this makes it very easy. the problem with the coach is that he doesn’t have the guts to manage the team. he just lets lebron do whatever he wants because he just wants him to like him and thus will tell management to keep him. wrong. win and you will stay. in fact, you have to win a championship to stay.

    Basically a similar scenario existed with kobe. he was a huge ballhog who isn’t even as well rounded, as in he doesn’t pass it around as much. there in lies the problem. kobe’s game, when he dominates the ball, results in more losses, and thus forcing him to change his ways. lebron, his game being more well rounded, can still win even if he plays this way. what’s scary is if he learns to truly share the ball more and let his teammates create more, it will help with their performance too, even if their performance is not as efficient as him, it improves the team’s overall efficiency. mo was averaging 17pts on solid shooting pcts when he was the buck’s starting pg, shaq can put up his 15 pts no problem still, and jamison was a 20pt scorer with 2 other ballhogs! however, they didn’t do these things with a teammate who dominates the ball as much as james does. james does all aspects of the game so much that there is no breathing room for his teammates. he brings the ball up the court, sets up the offense, creates his own shot if the play is broken, and rebounds 8 per game. i guess it worked with magic johnson, but lebron scores a lot more than magic did, and that i think affects the psyche of the teammates. scoring makes people happier. so lebron, sacrifice your game a little, even if it’s more efficient than anyone else’s, to make your teammates better overall. and you need a coach who has the guts to tell you that! Not some stupid butt kisser.

    just my two cents.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    rose is better than cp3? man, i just had a meltdown..

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Michael and Kobe, you guys can relax now. LB has nothing on you!!

  • seppo

    NBA players be passing way too much nowadays. I guess the have watched too much European basketball. If you´re in the lane take the shot. Don´t kick it out to the 3 point line.

  • truthteller

    And when Kobe “came through” in 2006 against the Suns in a game 7, he got hell! And the funny thing is nobody had the Lakers even making the playoffs that year! yet he got hell because he was suppossed to come through. So, why should lebron’s situation be any different? His team was picked to go all the way this year and he played like ish in a game 5! come’on guys, I think you cavs fans are really dillusional and it’s becoming annoying! You can be a fan but damn get off his nuts!

  • Mr. Robinson

    @Joel O’s: He never had nothing on Michael.

  • jumpman3224

    @Chris C: I know its a popular theory, but I have to disagree with Kobe mailing it in. The last three times KB24 has been on the wrong end of an elimination game he has put up 22 points (08 Finals), 34 points (07 Round One) and 24 points (06 Round One).

  • truthteller

    @mr robinson:according to all the Lebron fans, he’s better!

  • jumpman3224

    *the 24 in 06 came a game after dropping 50 in 52 minutes.

  • T-Money

    oh wow, tealish really said that game 5 of the second round was the most important game of lebron’s career so far? this is beyond stupid, y’all people are killing me.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    It’s the weirdest feeling, and one I’ve never, ever, ever felt as a sports fan, and especially a Cavs fan, who are my first love when it comes to sports.
    In the past, after and embarassing and shocking loss, if another team’s fan came on here gloating and hating, or if other fellow fans started freaking out and saying they were done with this team, I would have blown up at them and told them to get the F out.
    Not now. I don’t know why…. I totally agree with anyone expressing those feelings, and almost don’t care.
    This is the craziest thing I’ve ever experienced. One single game has single handedly alienated an entire fan base, the media formerly supporting them, and destroyed the legacy of a player who possibly had the chance to surpass Michael Jordan as the greatest of all time.
    Rumors behind the scenes have it that LeBron has had it with Mike Brown is making a statement to get him fired. This is quite possibly the biggest douche moment of all time. Does he man up in the post-game interviews and take responsibility for his lazy play? Nope, just a jovial laugh, referring to himself in 3rd person and generally not giving a sh*t.
    I just figure that as a person who has poured my heart and soul into following this stupid f*cking team (read LeBron), both financially and emotionally… I’ve reserved the right for myself to be heard once or twice. I’m done with this franchise once the inevitable happens this off-season. (Flame away) This whole thing has put in perspective for me how important other things are in life than following a team and a player who in reality…doesn’t know or care about who their fans are. Rather than focus on whether LeBron’s coming back, giving any effort whatsoever in a playoff series, etc…why don’t I direct my focus to other things? Players who care?
    Done and done. Thanks LeBron.
    So anyways…below are my thoughts on what should happen this off-season and the only way the Cavs can right themselves. Flame away…but as mentioned, (much like LeBron) I feel entitled to vent in a spot where a decent amount of people who feel the same way can read it.
    You do NOT want to let him walk. You have to get some kind of sign and trade together or this franchise starts from scratch once again.
    I, for one, will not put up with that kind of sh*t. Hell, as a fan I’m not putting up with the kind of sh*t LeBron is currently pulling. Unless it comes out that one of his children is dying, he is dying or Gloria is dying…then this guy can go wherever the f*ck he wants. He’s the loser and the self-centered prick that everyone’s been telling us he is all along.
    But you can’t let him win by getting nothing out of him. I’m not sure what kind of quality we’d get for him, but this off-season they need to explore every possibility out there.
    Best case scenario in some order or another:
    (1) Nets grab Calipari
    (2) Cavs S/T LeBron to the Nets for Lopez, sh*t contract and first round pick(s), including 2010
    (3) Get John Wall or Evan Turner
    (4) Break up the team to assure a poor record
    (5) Fire Mike Brown
    (6) Tank for a year to get the highest pick possible
    (7) Tank again for another high first rounder
    (8) Oklahoma City Thunder Part II
    I have no idea how realistic any of that is. In any case…
    God knows I’m not going to sit around and watch that sh*t again, but that’s your best case scenario there. In any case…LeBron can go f*ck himself. I’m done sticking up for that panty-waste loser and I just pray the Cavs can get something for him that gives fans some kind of hope for the future.
    I also hope that he gets a lot of batteries thrown at his head when he returns to Cleveland and gets knocked unconscious. Regardless, I want the guy to lose for the remainder of his career and get raked through the coals every year for it. I hope that Kobe, Wade and Durant go down as better players than he ever was because of the championships Kobe and Wade have won, and because of the championship I’m rooting for Durant to win.
    I hate to say all this and I’m sure I don’t mean half of it, but that’s how you feel when you think a team is that close to finally redeeming your city and your superstar tanks the series like a titty-baby c***sucker piece of sh*t.
    Done.

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/all-decade/main-page/i/64902/4259/euroleague-all-decade-selection-theodoros-papaloukas?lang=en&itemid=64902&mid=4259&tabid=1143&itemname=EUROLEAGU PAPALOUKAS (click on my name)

    Lebron didn’t become a bad player in just one night, he is still completely unstopable at a certain style of basketball. Unfortunatelly for him, this style ain’t the most common on playoffs or big international tournaments. At the same time that doesn’t mean that he ain’t a truly great player. He ain’t Kobe (who is not Jordan) and that will never change unless he develops a J that is equally consistent. Talking about his window of opportunity, this is closing much faster than some kids think (Eboy!!!). It is repeatedly observed the last few years that it is NOT age that matters but minutes played. In that terms Lebron has 3-4 more years (max) at this tempo. If he doesn’t start winning titles NOW , his chances of being mentioned at the same sentence as M.J, Magic, Kobe,Russell,etc will soon be a dream. If he doesn’t win something this year or the next, by 2012 everybody will talk about Durant’s chances of catching up the all-time greats,Lebron will assume a Barcley/Garnett role.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Hey I have an imposter here. The 12.55pm comment by “Joel O’s” isn’t me, and is probably one of the testicularly challenged morons who feels slighted. Anyway it is past 1 am here in China and I am off to bed. Anyone using my nick to post right now is one of those nutless imitator fairweather Lebron fans.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    truthteller: im a lebron fan and im not on the he’s better than MJ thing. so your not living up to your name.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Actually, by the looks of it, 12.55pm “Bizarro Joel” is also “Jorge”, from the telltale nearly identical post a minute earlier that betrays the diction of peat moss. Night folks.

  • jumpman3224

    @T-Money: Last night may very well have been the biggest game of his career (so far). In 2007, when the Cavs made the finals there were no expectations for them to do so. This year Cleveland has been talked about like they were pre-ordained to win a championship (not that they can’t). When they got Jamison media and fans pretty much said it was over (search Antawn Jamison on slamonline). So for the first time in his career he went into the post-season as the favorite. That alone would have made it a big game, but adding to it are his future as a player (ie free agency, legacy) and the Cavs’ future as a franchise (ie franchise player going into free agency and possibly looking for a new coach). I’m not saying that the Cavs can’t come back and play Orlando, but this was the most pressure that had ever been on the Cavs to win a game and they failed to do so.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Can I start a slow clap for Anton?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Don’t B, that wasn’t the real Anton.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Dude, a healthy CP3 is #1 or #2 PG in the league, GTFOH with that D Rose is better BS. CP3 was hurt this season and still put up numbers that most NBA players could only dream about attaining. He’s an absolute beast when he’s healthy. As far as LeBron being a choker, I don’t think that’s the case. This came he did, but history shows that his effort and numbers really can’t be questioned in the playoffs. His team mates time and again fail to step up in the playoffs and everyone labels him a choke artist because of it. I’m for from a LeBron or Cleveland fan, but he’s a heck of a player who had a bad game at a bad time, that’s all. Watch out for him in game 6…it’s going to be decided by how his teammates do because he’s gonna have a heck of a game.

  • http:slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m still shocked. Props to everybody who ever doubted Lebron and whose intelligence I challenged. I must admit that just maybe you all were right all along.
    That was pathetic.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Or was it?

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    came = game and for = far…I suck at typing today

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/all-decade/main-page/i/64902/4259/euroleague-all-decade-selection-theodoros-papaloukas?lang=en&itemid=64902&mid=4259&tabid=1143&itemname=EUROLEAGU PAPALOUKAS (click on my name)

    Props to Allenp.

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/all-decade/main-page/i/64902/4259/euroleague-all-decade-selection-theodoros-papaloukas?lang=en&itemid=64902&mid=4259&tabid=1143&itemname=EUROLEAGU PAPALOUKAS (click on my name)

    Whatever all of you say about Lebron, to me he remains one of the 2-3 most unstopable players for “NBA regular season” style of play ever…and i don’t count out the propability that tomorrow he scores 40-15-12 and make all of you feel bad. He ain’t M.J or Kobe but that doesn’t mean he is a loser.

  • http:slamonline.com Allenp

    However, I reserve the right to change my opinion if Lebron goes nutso in games 6 and 7 and then wins the ECF.
    But, this performance from Bron was on par with the huge dumps Kobe has taken in the playoffs in the past, with the biggest difference being that Bron does not have the right to get pissy and rest on his laurels BECAUSE HE DOESN’T HAVE ANY RINGS.
    I’ve long considered Kobe a horrible teammate and Bron to be what you wanted in a superstar teammate. Now that’s all changed. Bron is quitting on his team, not taking responsibility in the press conference, and generally acting like a primadonna. WITH NO RINGS.
    This is inexcusable. I can’t believe he played so passive in such a big game. I mean, almost every other Cav had a bad game, but you could clearly see them pressing and working to try to get going. They were constantly looking to Bron for some sort of cue, for him to take control and be the leader. And he was content with jacking long jumpers.
    I don’t know if it was the Celtics defense (because this reminds me of what happened to Kobe in the Finals two years ago) or if it was a lack of fire in Bron, but right now I can no longer consider him “different” from Kobe. They are the same, and that’s not a good thing.

  • http:slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh yeah, no more defending Mike Brown. If you can’t control your best player, you aren’t a good coach. If you can’t get your team to perform in the biggest game of the season so far, you aren’t a good coach. If you can’t figure out how to stop the penetration of a point guard with NO jumper, you arne’t a good coach.
    Basically, if you coach the same way Mike Brown has coached in the past two playoffs, regardless of how you look during the regular season, then you aren’t a good coach and I can no longer defend you as such.

  • Jer Boi

    fyi I wasn’t shocked at all. He doesn’t have the killer instinct.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Unfortunately it is the real me.

  • http://myspace.com/mcnarrative Kieran

    Did someone really say that Rose is better than CP3?
    More shocking that Brons performance.

  • bostonwins

    dont get me wrong lebron is a great player but since this serious started everyone down the celtics and they will game 6 at home no miracle for the cavs sorry lebron fans. they have no excuses they added jamison and shaq and parker they had the best record again and they are on the brink like last year. they are not a good playoff team and the guy talking about him scoring 45 in gm 7 two years ago they still lost the game and his 38 ppg last year against orlando they lost the serious. he can score all he wants he needs a team effort mo and jamison are bust in this serious. as far as the elbow he hasnt made excuses so it no big deal especially after putting up 21 in one quarter. cleveland is done get over it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    first was Anton, then Allenp. man, my heart seriously broke. i don’t really know what to say. sometimes things really put us into perspective. but for me im not a quiter on this team, and so as i think with allen.. anton.. t-money.. z.., i know what kind of sh*t lebron did in game 5, i really do. and man does it suck. but the blame is on the WHOLE team. read whole team. we lose and win as a team. period.

  • LA Huey

    Wow. LBJ’s performace and response last night was very disappointing but I’m surprised how many people are lobbing grenades as they jump off the bandwagon. Let’s at least let the series play out, guys.

  • Angelo

    lebron did what he thought was right, he just ran out of gas and was clearly discouraged. I would say the main reason they lost wasnt so much effort as it was tun overs. NO GREAT TEAM ever in the history of the nba won with that many turnovers. They should have less than 10 a game, the knicks made the finals because they didnt turn it over and they didnt have half the talent the cavs have now. Mike Brown does suck as a coah because when interviewed he talked about the celtics defense, instead of their lack of a real point guard and horrible ball control…

  • T-Money

    Part of me agrees with everything that’s being said. Part of me feels that everyone will look very stupid if he pulls two incredible performances and win this series (which he absolutely can). If he DOESN’T go out guns blazing (i.e., being ultra agressive and putting up 25+ shots), then he is not who I thought he was. Orlando last year was acceptable to me because he played out of his mind and was absolutely gassed in the end. This one? I dunno.. the body language is bad, the sense of urgency is not there, he’s not getting in the middle of skermishes like he normally does, he’s letting Ray Allen give him a ear full… It’s just.. bizarre. / The only thing I don’t agree with is people saying that we shouldn’t be surprised by him laying an egg in a big game. That’s pure BS, he almost always come through in big games. Seriously.

  • Diesel

    @ Allenp – I’m smiling on the inside. @ Kieran and Eboy: DRose will be better than CP3 when its all said and done. Maybe not now, but soon.

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/all-decade/main-page/i/64902/4259/euroleague-all-decade-selection-theodoros-papaloukas?lang=en&itemid=64902&mid=4259&tabid=1143&itemname=EUROLEAGU PAPALOUKAS (click on my name)

    @kieran….:your message reminds me the usual response i had every summer when i was insisting that Deron is better than CP3. Now almost everybody (not only here) has Deron over CP3. Some things just need their time….(i don’t agree on ROSE>CP3). I still have “healthy CP3″> Deron and Lebron>everybody for “NBA regular season” type of play.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Seeing lebron that uninspired was like he was already on the Knicks or something. 82 more games of that next year if he signs the max contract walsh offers him.

  • http:slamonline.com Allenp

    L.A. Huey and T-Money
    Yeah, I agree that there are possibly two more games. Like I said, if Bron turns into a stone-cold killer, kind of like he did in Game Three, then I will feel better about defending him this past year in Kobe versus Lebron debates, or in the debates after last year’s playoffs. But, if he does not go off, if he just plays “all right” and if he gets up at the press conference and acts like it’s no big deal and not his fault, then all bets are off. He will forever be branded in my mind.
    Last year he played as hard as he could, and his team was just overmatched and undercoached. This year he isn’t even close to that effort and it’s disturbing.
    But, I will admit that Boston looks like the Boston of old right now. Their defense is stifling and they have that little swagger, particularly last night.

  • http:slamonline.com Allenp

    Seriously, we need to give Boston it’s due. In two of the past three years, that team has taken the arguably the best player in the league, and made them look like an underachieving bum. They did it to Kobe, and now it’s Lebron’s turn. We all talk like it’s just about what Kobe and Lebron do, but honestly it’s a little crazy that Boston has made both of those guys look this bad.

  • LA Huey

    Wow. I was very disappointed with LBJ’s performance and response last night but let’s at least let the series play out before we all start lobbing grenades at the bandwagon as we’re jumping off.

  • T-Money

    For the record, I’m still on the bandwagon and I hope that Bron will see the light on Thursday. Yes, Mo and Twan are getting abused and Mike is getting outcoached but this is Bron’s team. He has to step up. When he goes for 40 with 8 rebs and 8 assts liek vs ORL, we look for others to blame. When he plays like this, he deserves the blame. You play like sh-t, you get sh-tted on. / Allenp: Spot-on on the nonchalance thing. He hasn’t earned the right to be nonchalant and give those “I’ll get em next game” kinda speeches. Kobe and Shaq are far from being model teammates but they have earned the right to dismiss criticism, they have rings. Bron has none. That’s facts. I was really hoping he would have came out and said something like “yeah i messed up, i’m gonna come out super agressive” in game 6. he didn’t. he deflected. it’s really weird when, as a fan, you feel that you care more about HIS legacy than bron himself. right now, he doesn’t seem consumed by winning rings. that’s a problem. kobe wants to win rings, that i know. i don’t think the style of basketball he plays and his personality give him the best chance of winning but i know that he cares. (let’s be real, if kobe and shaq would have made peace they’d both be sitting with 6 or 7 rings right now). bron? tbd. i’m rambling at this point but i need to see something on thursday.

  • KB24

    ALL HEIL KING KOBE, LEBRON IS NOW FOREVER KNOWN AS QUEEN JAMES!!!!

  • LA Huey

    Forgive the double-post. Allenp, I’ve always feared Boston. I felt their inconsistencies lay in the fact that they were never healthy as a group and a complacency from the idea they knew what they needed to do come playoff time. Boston is the best team in the league when it comes to defending one player.

  • KB24

    @ Allenp- The Celtics didn’t make Kobe look bad, if they did it was only for Game 6 of the Finals, they made the Lakers bigs look bad RETARD

  • http://www.sovainmag.com Sovainmag.com

    I like how people want to compare Kobe to this situation where Lebron’s supporting cast was by far, way better than that of Kobe’s in 05, 06–when they played the Suns. Are you kidding me? Kwame Brown, Smush Parker? Seriously, tell me where those two players would fit in the Lakers rotation now, or the Cavs? Jamison, Shaq, Mo Williams, West, Hickson, Parker? Better complimentary players.

  • http:slamonline.com Allenp

    I think Lebron wants to win rings. I don’t think he’s as focused on basketball as Kobe once was, but then again, neither was Shaq.
    Lebron needs to nut up and accept responsibility. And Mike Brown needs to realize that you cannot play two horrible defenders on the court at the same time against a team with players who can exploit them. Bottom line, Mo and Twan cannot guard KG and Rondo. At the beginning of this series I said that it was all about which KG showed up, and it’s been the KG with two good legs, not the gimpy one we saw during the regular season that’s come to play. That, combined with Mo’s inablity to figure out how to stop a player with no jumpshot, has the CAvs looking horrible on defense. And honestly, that’s on MIke Brown. He needs to figure that out. This is just like the freaking Orlando series except at least during that series he had the excuse that nobody could guard Dwight Howard one-on-one and thus it was hard to provide help on the pick and rolls with Shard and Turks. This series he has enough players to mix and match and find a way to combat what Boston’s doing, while getting buckets. The Cavs have very good talent

  • KB24

    @ Allenp- The Celtics made the Lakers bigs look bad, not Kobe, & if they did it was only for Game 6 of the Finals

  • LA Huey

    co-sign T-Money, May.12 at 2:19 pm

  • KB24

    QUEEN JAMES’ TEAM RIGHT NOW IS BETTER THAN ANY TEAM KOBE EVER HAD, Shaq- HOF, MoWill- All-Star, Jamison- All-Star, Illgauskas- All-Star, Varejao- All-Defensive Team, Daniel Gibson- 3-Point Champ, add Delonte West, Anthony Parker, JJ Hickson, Leon Powe, Jamario Moon, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED QUEEN JAMES?

  • truthteller

    @ J: first of all you are lying your ass off! I’ve read a lot of your posts on this site and you’ve said some pretty ridiculous and sacriligous things about Lebron. So, quit it! Second of all: When the Cavs win, Lebron gets all the glory when the cavs win so that’s why he gets all the critism when they lose! And please people stop saying that he isn’t getting help! Haven’t you guys learned from last season or is lebron c*&k really that far down your throat? everybody had them winning it last year and then when they lost, “lebron doesn’t have any help” The same thing this year and now it’s the same thing! look: it’s either they’re not good enough from the very begining or they just choke during very important games! Pick one and stick with it!

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Co sign Allen P. He already knows how I feel.

  • truthteller

    So Cavs fans which one is it? Are they a great team that choked during a big game or are they just not good enough aka overrated?

  • mems

    yup bron just gave up last night. he didnt take any shots and was just standing around most of the game looking lost. guess thats what happens when you depend on a player that chokes when you need him

  • Nawlins Realest.

    is this the most commented story ever in the history of slamonline???

  • T-Money

    Again, I’ll reiterate that if Bron has two monstrous games this week, everything that was said today is basically hogwash. It certainly “feels” like the Cavs’ season is over but it’s a best of 7. Teams do come back from a 2-3 deficit.

  • LA Huey

    @KB24, stop it. Mo should never have been named an All-Star. Shaq and Z are well-past prime. Gibson won the Rookie-Soph game MVP, never won the 3-pt shootout. Powe’s injuries have devastated his game(there’s a reason Boston wouldn’t even re-up for the minimum). I admit he’s got a better team than he’s had before but you’re insulting that 3-peat Laker squad with that nonsense you’re spewing. Exaggerations do not help your claims, they only dismiss your argument.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    It won’t be hogwash. It’s not as though it didn’t happen. I won’t say he quit on his team, but he didn’t seem interested at all. Whenever they’re in a tight situation again, people will wonder…

  • Raul

    Does anyone have any suspicions of gambling being involved in this game? Last nights game was one of the strangest meltdowns of all time.

  • http://wildcat4life@live.com The Promise

    It was a real shocker to me, not that the Cavs lost, because I picked Boston to win 97-93, but, it was the way they lost. I watched the whole game, and to me, when Ray Allen hit those 2 three pointers to begin the second half, it was like it took the wind right out of the Cavs’ whole team, and the arena. They were booing midway through the 3rd quarter, and fans were leaving early in the 4th quarter. It looked like the Cavs gave up way before the game was over. Its like Barkley said after thge game, that when Shaq, at this point in his career, is your leading scorer, you’re in big trouble. Paul Pierce came out of his slump, Garnett looked like the Big Ticket again, I mean really, this looked like the Celtics team from 2 years ago, the stifling defense, excellent play from the big 3, etc. I think this series is all but over, because I felt like the Cavs were pushing the panic button before last night’s game, now their team, fans, and media are gonna jump on the panic button with both feet. They have found no answer for Rondo, and its ultimately going to be the reason for their demise. He has been able to do anything he has wanted to do in this series, so I doubt they will find a way to stop him next game. Boston takes it in 6, like I predicted, 100-90. Let the Lebron sweepstakes begin.

  • T-Money

    SLAM COMMENTERS: STOP WITH THE GROUP THINKING ALREADY. LeBron does not have an history of playing like sh-t in big games. That’s just factually incorrect. In fact, he usually has his best games deep in the playoffs. Look it up. At this point, I’ve accepted the fact that he’s not a likable guy to a lot of basketball “pundits” (I know that’s hard to believe judging from SLAM Online but he’s actually a very popular player with tons of fans. Serious, I swear) But saying that he has a tendency to choke in big games is a lazy statement not based on facts. The Detroit series, the Boston series, the Orlando series… he came up big in all of those.

  • KB24

    @ LA HUEY- Give me your argument against mine then retard, Shaq past his prime scored more than LeBron retard, what’s your argument retard?

  • T-Money

    Myles: It would absolutely be hogwash. If Cleveland beats Boston, it will only be a stinker in the middle of a long 2nd round series.

  • http://www.springbored.net letsmotor

    @LA Huey: you’re right, Boston is the best team at stopping one player, and i appreciate the objectivity you’re showing when you say that as a laker fan. @Allenp, i’m glad someone took a break from cavs-bashing and started talking about how great boston was. oh, and even if lebron does go off in game 6, it won’t matter if the celtics are playing great team ball like they were last night. people point out lebron’s series against the magic last year. sure, lebron had great numbers, but people forget that his team won the games where he scored less and his teammates scored more. the bottom line is that one cav playing amazingly won’t beat 4 or 5 celtics playing well.

  • KB24

    @ LA Huey- The Lakers 3-Peat teams had: Kobe & Shaq in their prime, Glen Rice/Rick Fox/Robert Horry/Mitch Ritchmond/Brian Shaw/ Ron Harper/A.C. Green ALL PAST THEIR PRIME, Derek Fisher, Tyron Lue, Mark Madsen, Samaki Walker, I’M THE BIGGEST LAKERS/KOBE FAN, I’M NOT TAKING AWAY FROM THOSE LAKERS, I’M SHOWING HOW BAD LEBRON SUCKS!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    How did in the hell did he come up big in the Orlando series if they lost? or maybe it was them in the Finals last year instead of the Magic. I keep forgetting. Lebron is not a killer, plain and simple.

  • vtrobot

    i’m happy for boston too, but people realize that was game #5 and not game #7, right? it was all of 5 days ago when boston had a historic playoff home loss. i think it might have even been against this same cavs team. f*ck it, c’s in 6. i’ll be having beer and BBQ when it goes down. walter ray allen = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

  • peter

    The thing that jumps out to me is that Cleveland has absolutely no system…which means they can’t withstand bad games by Lebron…because if your next best option is Mo Williams freestyling and dishing to Shaq (which happened 3 straight times), you’re in trouble. LA can withstand an off-night from Kobe because the triangle allows other people to be effective…Lebron can certainly make his mediocre teammates look like all-stars when he’s on his game, which is most of the time, but if he’s off, they have no chance.

  • http:slamonline.com Allenp

    DP
    If you watched that Magic series last year, you would know that Lebron damn near killed himself every game. The entire offense was clear out for Lebron on the elbow and hope for a bucket. Nobodyc ould question his effort last year.
    The real issue is that his team cruised during hte regular season, looked great early against Chicago, and now looks like crap. Same thing happened last year when they looked good early and looked like crap on the big stage.
    I agree that Lebron has had some amazing games in tight situations. But, I also must admit that his team should be able to beat Boston if they are playing correctly, and that Lebron has not played well enough. Period. The Cavs have the talent to beat the Celtics if Lebron is playing at his full potential. He’s not and it shows.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com TADOne

    Hmmm….so what did I miss?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    He really just seems like he’s not into it at all. I know he could score 40, dish 13, and grab 10 all day if he wanted to..he just isn’t acting like that killer that the cavs need him to be. But I will say that Mo williams can’t guard anyone and that is why Ray and Rondo have a field day with his ass. Lebron needs support but he has to play well for them to play well. They look scared when he is not on his A game.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Suicide watch: Michael Scorn

  • vtrobot

    lebron has never been part of any team that was as good as any of those lakers 3-peat teams. if it’s been even close, it’s because bron has had to do more than any one person had to do on those teams. bron has never had a virgin on his bench who wears a green bear on his head like shaq and kobes did.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Negetivekreep

    Damn Anton, that ish was real. and that’s exactly how laker / Kobe fans felt after the greatest CHOKE in laker history in game 4 against Boston 2 yrs ago. That was his chance. And he let his team suffocate and melt like a hot stick of butter. Despite that I’ve remained a fan & supporter because that’s all I’ve ever known. But as far as defending Kobe to be honest most of that comes from the complete partial treatment LBJ has recieved from day1 wheather he wins or not, he has had an a$$hole pass now for 2 yrs. That double standard has fueled most laker fans in the LeBron vs Kobe dispute. Wich is sad because this year he clearly seperated himself as the pound for pound best most effective and dominant force in the leauge. But just like Kobe, he acts like a pre madonna, talks about himself in the third person and is an arrogant prick when ever he has to explain himself. He’s already one of the greats and he knows it. Respect to you Anton, that’s all I can say cuz you’ve been a real a$$hole hillarious but an a$$hole. But you’re a rare fan with integrity and I know the last thing you want is to play nice with a laker fan, but on the real I’m pullin for Bron to come thru and push this thing to a game 7. History, hell the the city of Cleveland and it’s loyal fans need a lakers cavs finals. It’s what the L’s been waiting for. Hopefully Bron mans up and the cavs pull thru this for the sake of thier fans and the leauge.

  • LA Huey

    @KB24, You fail to recognize how devastating a force Shaq was in his prime, even as a Laker fan. For that, I should ignore you. Fisher, in his prime, was a consistently solid point guard and hella clutch (actually, he’s still clutch), Horry is the greatest role player in the history of the NBA. Finally, you think the fact that Shaq scoring 21 pts suggests that he’s even close to an All-Star caliber player is laughable. Class is dismissed. You’re welcome to have the last word.

  • giogolo

    @tomtom
    since when did Owners Can’t lecture their employees..????

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    The playoffs is all about adjustments, unfortunately Mike Brown is the worst coach in the L when it comes to adjustments, terrible offensive coach (give the ball to LeBron and get out of the way is about his only play), and a very good defensive coach. Doesn’t help when Mo craaps his pants for the umteenth time and Lebron (and I belive his the best in the world) just all out chokes. The Cavs’ biggest mistake is that they walk the ball upcourt almost every single time, whenever they push the tempo they destroy the opposition (game 3 for instance). But still Mike Brown has LeBron or Mo using a good 8 seconds even getting them into their sets. The blame goes to the coach and the star player – terrible terrible performance by both. I’m a LeBron fan and firm beliver that he has been the best player on the planet for 2+ years, but boy did he choke last night.

  • vtrobot

    @ Anton: That long post was one of the most depressing ones I’ve ever read on here. I feel bad for you and your city. Like I said above, it was only game 5. But, damn wasn’t that a weird vibe at the Q. In Boston, we’re so beyond spoiled to expect our teams to be in the championship game. It makes the Super Bowl, NBA title game, etc. parties really enjoyable to have your home team participating. I understand why other fanbases hate the Boston ones and can’t imagine how it feels to be a long-time Cavs supporter. It totally FELT like the end of it all last night. To your recent post, where is Mike Scorn? Can someone check on him?

  • KB24

    @ LA Huey- You fail to accept another person’s opinion, shut your bloodclot mouth now!

  • vtrobot

    it might not end up being because of the celtics, but no one is getting a CLE/LAL finals (this year). bron, beachfulls of miami p*ssy will make all of this better. it makes everything better.

  • LA Huey

    @letsmotor, I’m not a Lakers fan. I love to hate them. Just as I love to hate the Cs. But I give props where it’s due. Glad your Cs came alive after you had to watch them sleep walk through the regular season. =)

  • http:slamonline.com Allenp

    People in Cleveland are calling last night the “LeBacle.”
    That is hilarious. Freaking hilarious.

  • T-Money

    Henry Abbott had an interesting article about Cleveland’s fans. I mean, that franchise was in the gutter before Bron got there. Yeah he messed up badly yesterday but you would think that they would stand up for him. I’ll give one thing to Kobe fans: they’re loyal. They were there through the divore with Shaq, Phil’s firing, Colorado, the ugly elimination game with PHX, the beatdown in the Finals vs Boston. They ride through thick and thin. Bron fans? 2 bad games in a row and even die-hards like Anton are jumping ship. Wow.

  • giogolo

    The way lebron plays out the remainder of the this f!@@#$ season and his decisions/movers the next year will tell what he is as a player/person and what amount of success will he reach ’till he retires= ZERO. Talent + Arrogance,mental immaturity, unproven worth.

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/all-decade/main-page/i/64902/4259/euroleague-all-decade-selection-theodoros-papaloukas?lang=en&itemid=64902&mid=4259&tabid=1143&itemname=EUROLEAGU PAPALOUKAS (click on my name)

    Lebron,Garnett,Kobe and others (i won’t go to Korleone Young extremes…) have all something in common(no college). M.J, Magic,Duncan,Hill,have also something in common (good colleges). This doesn’t explain all but definitelly has something to do with their off-court behavior.

  • Aaron

    Anton: “Suicide watch: Michael Scorn”

    Sadly, I know who that is… Hilarious.

  • http:slamonline.com Allenp

    Papaloukas
    MJ remains one of the biggest losers as a human being that basketball has ever seen. He is not a ringing endorsement of college players and I can think of many other former college players who are just as horrible.
    And honestly, what exactly has KG done off the court? From all accounts, he’s been a model citizen.

  • LA Huey

    @T-Money, I read that same article and thought of those same comparisons with the Kobe fans. Maybe Kobe fans like the abuse and LBJ fans have more self-respect? One thing is for sure, Cleveland has one of the weakest crowds in the L. The manufactured “defense” chant over their PA system is an embarassment.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    5-11: it was an inside job

  • The D Train

    I watched the game last night and was shocked at how disjointed and disinterested LBJ looked. Unless he takes Boston to the woodshed in game 6 and 7 (and then runs roughshod over the remaining field), can we please stop anointing him as the King, or The Chosen One. He is superior athletically to everyone else in the league, but mentally and fundamentally he falls short. He’s obviously not good enough to lead a less-than-stellar bunch of role-players, but then again nobody is. MJ needed Scottie, Shaq needed Kobe and Wade, Duncan needed Manu and Parker. It’s just so annoying that we’ve had LBJ crammed down our throats since he was 16 as “the next big thing,” and now “the big thing” (and yes, the homoerotic tones of that sentence did make a bit uncomfortable). If/when the title(s) come, I’m fine with all the hyperbolic over-enthusiasm, but until then let’s check ourselves. He’s a phenomenal athlete, but he’s not on the same level as MJ, Kobe or the other great wing guys until then. He can’t be. We didn’t let Jordan into the upper echelon until he won a ring. We didn’t let Kobe ’til he won a ring without Shaq. So what’s fair for those cats is fair for Lebron. Win a ring, big boy, then you can puff out your chest and we’ll all kiss your feet.

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/all-decade/main-page/i/64902/4259/euroleague-all-decade-selection-theodoros-papaloukas?lang=en&itemid=64902&mid=4259&tabid=1143&itemname=EUROLEAGU PAPALOUKAS (click on my name)

    “off-court” was not the correct term(my mistake), i wanted to talk about on court insidents that are not strictly game/performance related (behavior towards opponents, respect towards the game,team spirit,etc). KG is indeed a model citizen off-court but on-court his behavior (not performance) has been repetedly humiliating.I don’t agree on your M.J take, i suppose that you got more info than me on his general off-court behavior, but from what i saw from him he never gave me the bad taste those 3 guys have given many times. maybe he was protected by media, maybe i’m biased cause i grew up with him,i don’t know….

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    I would create a list of players who have gone to college and then went on to do horrible things both on and off the court that far out ways guys who went straight to the pros but it would be so damn big it would possibly crash the internets. Papaloukas needs to stfu.

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/all-decade/main-page/i/64902/4259/euroleague-all-decade-selection-theodoros-papaloukas?lang=en&itemid=64902&mid=4259&tabid=1143&itemname=EUROLEAGU PAPALOUKAS (click on my name)

    @Brad…..:i would tell you that the percentage of guys that spend at least two years on a good school and behave bad is much-much less than the percentage of guys that didn’t went to college and behave immature but then i’de have to explain you what “percentage” means and i got no time….

  • http:slamonline.com Allenp

    Papaloukas
    If we’re dealing with percentages, the numbers would be skewed by the fact that so few players come from high school straight into the league. But, honestly, going to college doesn’t seem to have much impact on whether you suck as a human, from what I’ve seen.
    I think the biggest difference between people who skip college and those who go used to be the fundamentals thing. But now, going to college doesn’t even give you good fundamentals becuase most coaches are sleazes who don’t teach anything but their system. And, of course, the most fundamentally sound player in the league is a cat who skipped college.

  • http://www.youtube.com/ The Promise

    Wow, I can’t believe all the LeBron fans on here aren’t screaming, “Its the elbow!”. Where are all his bandwagon fans now? They aren’t talking because, there really is no excuse for him. Its funny to me that, when LeBron loses, its because he’s hurt, or he has no help, or his coach sucks, but when Kobe loses, its because he is selfish and won’t pass the ball. Anybody else getting that, or is that just me?

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/all-decade/main-page/i/64902/4259/euroleague-all-decade-selection-theodoros-papaloukas?lang=en&itemid=64902&mid=4259&tabid=1143&itemname=EUROLEAGU PAPALOUKAS (click on my name)

    @Allenp….: you say “If we’re dealing with percentages, the numbers would be skewed by the fact that so few players come from high school straight into the league. “.Wrong.Actually it is the exact opposite, we are using “percentages” and not absolute numbers (like the kid above was ready to do..)in order to avoid our results being “silly” by the huge difference at the size of the two samples.You also write ” But, honestly, going to college doesn’t seem to have much impact on whether you suck as a human, from what I’ve seen.
    I think the biggest difference between people who skip college and those who go used to be the fundamentals thing. But now, going to college doesn’t even give you good fundamentals becuase most coaches are sleazes who don’t teach anything but their system.” i know what you are thinking and i partially agree, college doesn’t make up for luck of character (that has to do with family,early childhood environment,culture,etc) but for various reasons, people who finish a good college are ON AVERAGE (put it with bold letters) better at handling certain situations and behaving on stressfull circumstances.I repeat ,ON AVERAGE(that’s why i always use percentages, you can find many exceptions to anything). This “rule” has been also demonstrated on the NBA repeatedly. Now, the fact that the most complete player (i say KOBE you propably say Lebron,doesn’t matter) skipped college has mainly to do with natural talent (that has a straight correlation with his ability to skip college when this was possible). You can find equally(or even better) fundamentally sound players(Nash,Billups)who could never attain that level of play because of luck of physical tools.

  • The Reign Man

    I’m a Bron Fan & he messed up. So what , you think he’s gonna have back to back terrible games ? I don’t think so. I beleive + they Still here . It aint over til the Promises momma sings , she should have evidently swallowed you . :-)

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    got to sleep, i’ll get back tomorrow, good night to everybody.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Did Paploukas try to insult my intelligence and then say “didn’t went to college” in the same sentence? Yep, I think he did.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Lebron is the blame and thats the fact, his killer instinct has always been lacking so I expect games like this from him and plenty more in his future when he can no longer barrell over folks. Lebron needs this next game win, to fix his unstable reputation. I am seeing Lebron as the best regular season player ever, which is good, but he needs playoff wins and rings. Not playoff moments Lebron fans obessese over. The King needs to step up and deliver or he will be known as LeChoke until he wins a ring.

  • http://www.springbored.net letsmotor

    @ LA Huey: Thanks man, I appreciate it. :)

  • truthteller

    Ok, enough of the LeBron bashing! Let’s ease up off of him now! I think he’s got the message! let’s brace ourselves for tomorrow’s game and see if he did! I’m not bashing lebron anymore!

  • http://www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com Tarzan Cooper

    Wow, this is wild. I really feel for anton.

  • Elias

    To you who say that “Lebron isn’t a choker, he just had one bad game.” That’s choking when he has one bad game, and it’s the most important game of the season so far! It wouldn’t be choking if he had a game like this in the regular season. The new great debate is Lebron vs Dirk, who’s the better choker. I’ll take everything back if he comes back to win the title this year. Seed, I like your style.

  • Loqui

    No one really knows if he’s a faker or really injured. We can all agree that the guy is prick, though. If he was testing his club, to see how they manage without him, he’s dumb. That offence revolves around him, if his energy sucks they all sink. I’ve seen the Cavs hang around in games he was less than stellar, but he was actually trying. He needs to get his head out his a** and play hard. He means the world to that city.

    As a Knicks fan I would welcome him with open arms. Whether NY was on his mind or not, I don’t know. I’ve always been one to not worry too much about his decision. The Knicks will get better no matter what. However, his attitude towards the game and Cleveland is a turn off.

  • BostonBaller

    Is it Thursday night yet? We weren’t supposed to make the playoffs let alone be leading in a series with the best team in the L. Regardless of what happens from today on I think The C’s deserve a bit of credit for what they have done so far. That includes the coaching staff. Hate the team all you want but just admit when someone is ball’n..it doesn’t put into question your loyalty to your team it just shows a high bball IQ to admit the obvious. lol. Who’s the best pg, sf, c etc etc doesn’t really matter in the end b/c teams win not individuals PLUS the who’s better is a matter of opinion AND bias…..Green 4 18!!

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    *Throws up hands in disgust*
    Anton, AllenP – your comments really seemed to come from the heart. Genuinely appreciated your sincerity.

  • The Philosopher

    He is still better than any other basketball player in the world. That being said, the pressure of being the best in the world may be finally getting to him, for we all know how unflappable he is. We also HAVE to remember: The King is the lone legitimate superstar on his team. He’s never had that player who commands respect, attention, double teams, etc., One can only imagine what kind of burden he has. Basketball wise, anyway. It is a testament to how good this kid is.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Thank God I’m not an NBA MVP. Talk about overkill.

  • http://slamonline.com Jazzygirlfresh

    It didn’t shock me what the f-ck are people shocked for? The media put this dude on the biggest pedestal on the planet than any other athlete hello!!! He’s human and he’s not going to perfect 24/7 every player has bad games yes including “Mr assumingly perfection by his admirers” LEBRON JAMES. These games happen and may moreso than often as one gets older. Once they go on and on and on about a simple elbow sprain like he’s suppose to be resistant to injuries and now the media is acting as if the world is going to end, explide and people are going to commit suicide because he had a terrible playoff performance boo-hoo and get over it, these things happen to um….like 95% of all athlete, these guys aren’t token,robots they’re people leave them some room for error and take them off of that large pedestal worshipping them like Gods. LeBron IS NOT perfect he can is will make mistakes like any other player and grt criticsized for it like any other player get over it.

  • http://slamonline.com Jazzygirlfresh

    Excuse the typos I was in a rush, but the media needs to lay off of the guy. And I’m not even a LeBron stan, I’m just irrtated at this constant pedestal they put him on. Again excuse the typos.

  • http://Google A Crossland

    For a 61-21 team (could have been 66-16), the Cavs aren’t playing half as well as the Magic, or maybe the Lakers. Let’s say the Cavs manage to beat Boston, can they beat these two? Hoo boy, the Cavs are in a situation!

  • http://yahoo.com Kevin Armenta

    Lebron is the biggest choke artist ever!what great player you know choked this much.jordan had all the media around everywhere he went and he always played his heart out.lebron didnt even try!

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Maybe the Celtics just want it more. I write this not to (further) abuse Lebron and his gang. But I think the Celtics just want it more. They are desperate in a good way. The Cavs are young, Lebron has potentially greener pastures this summer, but for Boston this is it. They haven’t been this healthy and focused in more than a year, and may never again. It might seem the Cavs’ backs are against the wall, but the Celtics’ own basketball mortality is literally at stake every time they play now. They smell blood and I think will go for the jugular right away in Game 6. Whatever happens, I hope the Cavs are ready.

  • http://claydefayette@yahoo.com CDef28

    @riggs ok I see what your saying about Boston.

  • http://www.youtube.com/ The Promise

    This summer, we will see if Bron really wants to win or if he wants money, because if he wants money, hes gonna get a lot more than what he could ever know what to do with, but if he stays in Cleveland, I still say he will get a championship there, so, for those that say he has no will to win, we may very well see if thats true this offseason, because I don’t see him ever winning a ring in New York with a D’antoni offense that wins games but not chammpionships. Not unless he can lure a Wade or Stoudemire to come with him. But can they give James the biggest deal ever and still sign one of those guys? They gonna want huge money too, so who knows. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.

  • http://Www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Yep, thats about what i expected to read here. Anton’s bitter disappointment shook me though (don’t give up, man. It was ONE game). Greek guy was tame for his standards and had great comments until he started the college = better character case study, but mostly par for the course comments here. (except for the genius with a personal dislike of Dirk pulling his name into this). One query though: where IS James the Baller? Shouldn’t he have at least 15 Kobe related gloat comments by now? Hmm…

  • http://sportschump.net Chris Humpherys
  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    While I missed the majority of this, I’d like to pat myself on the back on a few things I’ve said a WHILE ago that seem to be the general consensus now:
    1- Against the Bulls, I said “this team isn’t playing like champions… they’re really not playing at all… They’re not going to beat Orlando, and they may honestly have trouble with Boston”
    2- After game one, I said “Okay, either Mo has to sit or Jamison has to sit. They can’t guard the Celtics starting lineup, so start Delonte or start Varejao/Hickson… and play Jamison at the three for chrissakes!”
    3- FOR TWO YEARS I’ve been sayin’ Mike Brown is awful (gimme some props here Allenp). I’ve ever said his DEFENSIVE coaching was horrendously in question because he never makes adjustments or defensive rotations. People give him credit where nothing
    But… what I didn’t expect was Lebron’s absolute crap of a game, and generally, of the series. I want to take credit for also saying Lebron had to overdominate the ball to win against the Celts, but with his mindset in game 5, I’m not sure that would do anything. It’s been upsetting to say the least.
    Lebron is looking more like a Bernard King than a Magic Johnson/Dr J hybrid right now.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    Tariq: That’s a bit of an ironic statement, considering your thoughts on Nash! Not to nudge or anything…

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    Actually, the Bernard King comparison doesn’t make much sense.
    A better comparison, RIGHT NOW, would definitely be Wilt Chamberlain.
    Dominant in the regular season…. and still easily the best player in the playoffs… but the mindset isn’t there, there’s still a “you know, I have teammates, why should I give it 110% every night, lemme let the game come to me” moments that shock you as a fan… and the fact that both never really took blame for blowing KEY games. Blah.

  • Hangtime Hec

    I hope all of you remember what you wrote today. ALL OF YOU. If any of you back track and start licking the testicles of Lebron again I will copy and paste and call you idiots out on your bandwagoning. Other than that, he did play like trash. I have never been impressed by this team.

  • bnets

    so many comments here, and mostly lebron haters hahah

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    “You have set them all on fire – they think they’ve found the new Messiah… but they’ll hurt you when they find they’re wro-ong…” Well, let’s see if Lebron can rise again – he’ll have only have two days though, a whole 24 hours less than that other guy we nailed to a tree.

  • Kendo

    I’m absolutely loving all this. I hope the Kobe hate is this strong once the Suns bounce the Fakers in 6.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    first off: Anton’s post was probably just as shocking as last night’s game. i wonder if the majority of (knowledgeable) cavs fans feel they were betrayed by Bron.
    2nd: i think people need to lay off the choke artist label on Lebron. to me, a choke is when one tries but fails miserably; lebron didn’t even put in the effort to try. nick anderson blowing those 4 freethrows in 95 Finals was a choke; the 2000 blazers blowing the WCF game 7 4th quarter lead was a choke. lebron didn’t choke, he gave up. that’s way worse than a choke.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    LeBron is going to have an Allen Iverson career: All individual awards but no ring and its going to be bittersweet. Anyone think LeBron may have threw the playoffs to have an excuse to leave town? If not then he is LeChoke.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    Oh and get ready for maybe the most worst officiated game in NBA history. Kings- Lakers part 2 baby. Stern wants James in the finals and he will do whatever it takes.

  • JoeMaMa

    @Jukai: don’t insult Wilt. He won 2 championships and was also easily the most dominating player of all time. I see the comparison with great player vs great team, but Wilt’s just too good for a LeBron mirror.
    Police Report: Michael Scorn has been found hanged by a LeBron headband. Investigators say subsequent comments must be ignored so that the world can keep spinning.

  • http://www.nba.com/suns Dacre

    It’s his elbow and he doesn’t have a decent team around him, ready to rise to the challenge and his coach doesn’t know how to ‘coach’ his team though different situations and HE never said he was the best player in the league and he just trying to play his best and make the adjustments and he i sick of having to field the SAME questions after EVERY GAME, “Hey LeBron where you playing next season?” He’s sick of the heap of cr@p everyone is dishing up and will probably go play in Europe after it’s all said and done. See the ACTUAL problem is people like just about everyone thats commented here (some 250 or so) that are killing the guy – Basically he can’t get a break because if he DOES turn around and win a championship, all any of you are going to say is ABOUT TIME, BUT WHERE IS THE NEXT ONE?!! And thats not fair. Winning an NBA Championship is about the hardest thing any baller can do… And here he is basically a scapegoat for every other fan who doesn’t get it. Let his legacy end where ever it’s headed but let it unfold at least. Room. Full. Of. Haters.

  • JoeMaMa

    Dacre gets a thumbs up for his last four incredibly short sentences. Co-sign.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    JoeMaMa: And how long did it take for Chamberlain to get his first title? Longer than Lebron has been in the league? And he didn’t get it until he left his original team for a better team?
    Okay, cool beans, thanks for clarifying!

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    I mean, there are so many Wilt/Lebron comparisons that it’s not even funny… both had rivals who had inferior stats and skill but were deemed superior because of their rings and mental toughness…. both had multiple MVPs before any rings, and were deemed “regular season players”…. both were deemed ‘unclutch’ which is probably unfounded, but were backed up by several HUGE playoff moments where they did not step up… both are accused of having priorities outside of winning (Chamberlain with stats and sex, Lebron with money and becoming a global icon)… both did NOT like to man up to any ‘heat’ they may have warranted (especially in post-game interview situations)… both were superior physical specimens in their eras and were given crap for their ‘lack of skill’ even though they had plenty of it…. both are constantly degraded by claims that they are only great players thanks to the eras they play in (chamberlain because he played with small white guys, Lebron because of the lack of hand checking and more wing oriented rules)… both were incredibly friendly guys who got a lot of crap for being ‘fake’….
    I mean, if Lebron leaves or is traded from Cleveland to another team and wins a title, the comparison is flawless.
    Then again, I see someone else (either Russ or Myles, forget which) may have at least hinted at a Chamberlain comparison well before I did in another section of the site which I didn’t read at the time… but I’m still taking credit for this.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Jukai: Wow, man, you really are on here 24/7. What time zone are you in? Haha. Wilt was decades before my time, but I wonder how popular opinion of him was back in the day with Russell beating him to all those titles. Wonder how things would have played out if Wilt and Russell played today, with blogs and Twitter and social media. If Dwight unseats the Lakers this year, I guess we might find out soon enough…

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Jukai: And you know what? The Wilt comparison is actually pretty good. Eerily alike especially in their early careers.

  • http://slamonline.com CB 34

    I can’t believe all of theb fair weathered fans here. You aren’t real fans. Everybody’s turning on Bron because of this 1 bad game. Sure, it happened at the worst possible time but it happened. Deal with it. Bron hasn’t changed and i think he will pull off game 6 and 7 with monster games and all of you will be jocking his d!ck again. It’s bullsh!t how easy you guys can turn your back on him. I’m disappointed hearing anton, allenp and countless others bashing Bron. Pick a side and stay loyal. Don’t jump ship at the first sight of blood. If all of you truly feel this way then just don’t root for Bron ever. I’m as disappointed as the next cav fan but i still got his back. It’s a bump on the road and he’ll still get his. Remember detroit being down to NJ 3-2 and coming back to win that series and the title? Y’all acting like the cavs have lost already. If you can’t be with Bron through thick and thin then just get down on your knees and start polishing Kobe’s knob. It’s 1 bad game! Pull your heads out of your a$$es.

  • http://slamonline.com CB 34

    @truthteller: You’re an idiot. I’ll bring kobe in the conversation whenever i please since these two are talked about regardless of the article. The series isn’t even done and you’re preaching like Bron should get shot. Kobe’s had numerous bad games. Remember when he mailed it in in that game 7 just to prove a point that he should be shooting. Who does that? Bron played bad the other day no doubt but Mike got a pass when he played terrible. Why shouldn’t Bron? He’s earned that right. What i meant by he comes through even when they lose is he practically tries to carry the load by himself but he comes up short sometimes because it is a team game. Mo is our number 2 guy and every year he doesn’t deliver so Bron picks it up. Was never a fan of Jamison and he’s done nothing to change my mind.Don’t think for 1 second that it’s over cause the cavs will win this. At least he doesn’t give games away just to show the coach and the world that he’s the man. You’re the retard here! I may be loyal to a fault but not delusional.If by some twist of fate the cavs lose, then so be it. I’ll be crushed but you won’t hear me blame him for his poor game 5. You have Phil, we have Mike effing Brown. Think about it objectively for once and stop touching yourself when you see Kobe.

  • Elias

    @CB 34 The difference between Kobe’s game 7 vs Suns and Lebron’s game 5 vs Boston is that the Lakers barely made the playoffs that year, had a far worse team than the Cavs have, and the Cavs are a contender, and everyone expected them to win Boston pretty easy. In the Lakers-Suns series everyone thought that the Suns would sweep them or go like 4-1. I’m dissapointed of Kobe for doing that, but this is different, the Suns were a contender, and the Lakers were pulling off a major upset, and Boston is pulling off an upset. This was supposed to be the year that Lebron turned everyone in to witnesses, but looks like he’s doing the opposite. Lebron isn’t a good leader ot me, if he doesn’t win the title this year or atleast make the finals. I’ll give him the best in the world title if he wins the championship, but looks like it’s staying with Kobe. Winning matters.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    Joel O: Job sucks right now, I work NOC hours… meaning whenever the hell I’m called in. Meaning overnight shifts. Money’s good, girls at an internship in Florida so I’m keepin it for now, but yeah, I’m on very weird hours.
    What’s funny is that during the Wilt v Russell days, Russell was generally considered better because of his titles… it wasn’t until no one was breaking Wilt’s statistics, or even coming CLOSE to breaking them, that people began to realize “holy crap… you know, this guy was immensely good.” People figured others would come along and average 50 and score 100, etc. etc.
    Plus a bunch of Celtics went on to become all-stars and even LEGENDARY players (no one figured Hondo was that good until Russell and Cousy left and he got the keys to the team) so yeah… Wilt got the bum end of things during that time era.
    Really didn’t help Wilt would go out and skip practice and bone everything that moved too.

  • BostonBaller

    I’m hating the media right now!!! They keep pissing LBJ off and he might explode for 80 tonight! Why are people questioning his “legacy” already? Yes, I believe he kind of gave up last game and not just b/c he was playing for free agency..Maybe he wants a challenge and coming back and winning 2 straight would be a challenge. Seriously though, leave the young fella alone, he has many years ahead of him and this series is not over!!! Stop pissing him off!! Please!!! with all that said, if my C’s continue to play great team D we will be fine, if everyone plays their role we will be fine. Now can we wake up the BRUINS!?!

  • vtrobot

    256th!

  • BostonBaller

    I absolutely loved the comments MJ made during the video on the post Michael Jordan Scores 43 Points at Age 40. He said something like My efforts, desire to win and love for the game will always be young. All players should feel that way, especially young players.

  • http://theurbangriot.com/ NUPE

    Since prior to the begining of the season a lot of people said IF healthy the Celts were the best team in the east. Well, now they are finally healthy and people seem surprised that they are ‘upsetting’ the Cavs. Despite his last bad game, LeBron is the best player on the court – the problem is the next 4 best players are all on the Celtics. I’m not sure why this is worthy of 250+ post, yest it’s surprising by how badly they lost and yes the MVP had a horrible game but 250+ post?

  • bashmo

    Being absolutely honest, Cleveland has a better chance of winning against Orlando. The matchup in the middle with Perk/Howard is a deciding factor when it comes to Boston, and this time around our guardplay is superior. Rather than have a veteran Rafer Alston who was acquired midseason start(albeit he played excellently) and a rookie, we have our All-Star level starting PG Jameer Nelson, and of course VC, who can still create his own shot. How Matt Barnes defends Paul Pierce and how well we can deny Rondo oppurtunities will hold the fate of the series..because boston’s offense haa changed a considerable amount from two years ago..oh and they arent the same team defensively either.

  • bashmo

    as for the cavs, the reason they acquired shaq was, simply to body Dwight. And rather than have Varejao attempt to guard Lewis, which obviously didnt work out to well, they’ve put the more versatile, and similiar antawn jamison on him. Finally, they have anthony parker, a decent defender, at the 2 guard. In my eyes the guardplay and Howard’s play wel determine whether or not we move on….Lets go Orlando! Btw these two posts were for those talking about the conference finals.

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  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariqُُ

    Jukai:
    You paint me as a Nash-hater, when all I’ve ever said is that his legacy is skewed. I never said that Nash wasn’t a great player. But he damn sure ain’t at the level a lot of people say he is. I’ve formed this opinion based on years of watching the man play + watching how he gets portrayed in the media. You may disagree and see him on the level of other 2-time MVPs. I don’t. I don’t think that’s the same as this collective sh*t on LeBron just because of ONE GAME, no matter how bad his performance was. And the thing is, EVERYONE who’s shi*ting on him now will do a 180 if Bron bounces back. I think this reflects the desire some people have to build people up just to tear them down.

  • JoeMaMa

    @Jukai: If Lebron averages 34 points a game, 16 off Wilt’s 50 ppg, then I’ll consider thinking about the potential for a comparison. But yeah…stats do matter somewhat. Wilt dominated like no one else. There’s no comparison to him. It just so happened that he came up against the best dynasty to EVER PLAY PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. The Celtics’ run will never EVER be replicated. Who does LeBron compete against? No…..Wilt beasted the league, and we’ll NEVER see someone like that again. I understand your comparisons, I do…but LeBron, and I think he’s great, holds NOTHING to Wilt. Remember, you can only truly compare someone against their peers. And he just killed them all.
    P.S. – Thanks for calling me cool beans. It actually sounds kinda nice!

  • http://evans.linnaze@yahoo.com nazie bell

    well first of all he aint noooo drama qween and you hattas need to fall back cuz every body got problems dont just point him out every body makes mistakes think about if you were in his sitiuation how would yhu feel…!!! let the man be he is still human…

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