Tuesday, June 1st, 2010 at 2:01 pm  |  169 responses

Hater Proof

Why Kobe Bryant is the NBA’s real “King.”

by Bryan Crawford / @_BryanCrawford

I can’t count how many times I’ve been called a “Kobe Lover.”

In fact, the actual number of times would probably be considered ridiculous if there were a way to count them all up.NBA/ What’s funny is that for the people who’ve given me that label as a diss–a diss that I’ll gladly accept anytime–what they don’t know is that for a long time, I wasn’t a big Kobe Bryant fan. I liked him when he was at Lower Marion and when he got drafted in 1996 I think I may have been a fan for maybe his rookie season, but that was it. After that, I became very critical of him and stopped liking him for a very long time.

I can’t exactly remember when it all changed and I became one of the biggest Kobe Bryant fans outside of Los Angeles, but knowing me, at some point I came to the realization that this guy was the second best player to ever play the game and hating on him would only make me look stupid in the long run. By the way, we all know who the first is. The guy that people say Kobe’s been a clone of since day one, Michael Jordan.

That’s actually one of the reasons why people–myself included at one point–tend to dislike Kobe. The other reason has something to do with that thing that “allegedly” happened in Colorado that one time; emphasis on allegedly. But I’m not going to get into a moral discussion here because I don’t care about any of that stuff. I’m a basketball head to the bone, so the non-basketball things doesn’t matter to me anymore.

Unlike a lot of people, I’ve learned that in order to truly appreciate Kobe, you must use a filter. You have to filter the MJ copycat stuff out, his perceived arrogance, and the incident in Eagle, CO. Once you’re able to get rid of all of the things that are inconsequential and focus strictly on the basketball aspects, it makes it that much easier to see and accept the fact that Kobe Bryant is a bad mother…excuse me. But you get my point.

So I’ve come to the conclusion that hating on Kobe makes you a hater of the highest order. It puts you right up there in Silky Johnston’s HHOF (Haters Hall of Fame). Even worse, from here on out, any hating on him shall be cause for openly questioning one’s knowledge of basketball. Yeah, it’s that serious because realistically speaking, when it comes to this game, Kobe Bryant is hater proof. For real.

Beginning Thursday, he’ll be competing for his fifth NBA Championship. If he wins, he’ll have the most championships of any active player making him tops amongst his peers, if he even has any of those anymore. He’ll also be playing in his third straight NBA Finals series. That’s right, three in a row. That hasn’t been done since Shaquille O’Neal was playing in La La Land. Remember when all of the talk was that Kobe couldn’t win without the “Big Everything”? Well, you can throw that right out the window. Whether he wins or loses this series, Kobe’s proven that he doesn’t need Shaq. And Shaq’s proven that he’s old.

Kobe’s life mission as it pertains to basketball is to be the greatest ever. Not just in word, but in deed. He’s chasing the greatest player we’ve ever seen in the modern era in Michael Jordan (nothing wrong with that), and it’s scary to think that had things unfolded a different way, he might already be there. Think about it for a second.

This is Kobe’s seventh NBA Finals, the most among any other active players and one more than Jordan played in. Had he not lost to the Pistons in ’04 and to the Celtics in ’08, he could be tied with MJ right now and looking to surpass him in about a week or so. I know what you’re thinking, ‘Well, if MJ hadn’t left to play baseball, he’d have won eight titles’. To that I say, you’re probably right. But either way you look at it, actual or hypothetical, like it or not, Kobe is right on MJ’s heels and he got there by setting a goal and doing whatever it took to achieve it. He’s the epitome of what it means to “aim high.” He doesn’t care about anything else, only his legacy and his place in this game and I hold the utmost respect for him because of the work that I know he’s put in over the years to get where he is today.

Whether you choose to accept it or not, he’s the person that today’s players judge themselves agains. Kobe is the player that everyone is trying to be better than now. Not MJ.

And should he one day pass Michael Jordan in the championship category, Kobe will still never be as loved and revered as Jordan was (and still is). Actually, it may even make him that much more hated by the masses. The love and admiration that is typically reserved for those who win has for whatever reason gone to LeBron James who hasn’t won anything, but real hoop heads know what’s up when it comes to KB24. He is “That man.”

So even if you don’t like him as a person, don’t let that blind you and keep you from admitting that Kobe Bryant is probably your favorite player’s favorite player. Don’t let it keep you from acknowledging his greatness. Don’t let it keep you from admitting that he’s the best basketball player in the NBA. There’s a big difference between being the best basketball player and the best “athlete” and once you can differentiate between the two, it might change the way you view things.

Kobe Bryant works harder at his craft than probably 99.9 percent of the entire League. He leaves nothing to chance and the results speak for themselves. We’re supposed to honor those who show a commitment to focus, greatness, excellence and hard work, not hate on them. He doesn’t deserve that.

I’m not writing this to try and change anyone’s mind because it’s futile. It seems that once someone has decided to hate on Kobe, that’s it. There’s no going back for them. They’ve drank the Kool-Aid that says that winning is unimportant and a player’s greatness is determined by Sportscenter highlights and shoe commercials and not on anything tangible like Larry O’Brien trophies, championship rings and banners. The haters may not want to admit it, but with a straight face they can’t say that only-kings-have-rings-frontKobe Bryant sucks at playing basketball. So why even bother?

Still, to the Kobe haters, hate if you must. But know that if you do, when it comes to a debate about his greatness and his place among the best ever to play this game, you’re going to lose that argument every single time. His body of work speaks for itself and one thing has nothing to do with the other anyway.

Kobe Bryant is the best.

Period.

End of discussion.

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  • Tapion786 Posted: Jun.1 at 2:10 pm
    Amen.

  • Enigmatic Posted: Jun.1 at 2:16 pm
    I’m a big fan of both Kobe and LeBron, cause I’m just a fan of good basketball, period. But Kobe’s rings and him being at the top of his game are enough to convince me he’s the best in the L right now.

  • K.a. Posted: Jun.1 at 2:21 pm
    See that t shirt pic? I mean, how can you not hate that?!!

  • chingy Posted: Jun.1 at 2:30 pm
    Don’t like Kobe but have mad respect for his game.

  • chingy Posted: Jun.1 at 2:33 pm
    What I don’t understand though, is why people continually use Lebron’s superior athletic ability in saying Kobe’s a better basketball player. Isn’t part of being a basketball player being athletic? That’s like saying Usain Bolt is a superior athlete than his counter-parts but is not the best sprinter.

  • chingy Posted: Jun.1 at 2:35 pm
    I’m not hating on Kobe. If I were to pick one player to win a game, I’d take Kobe in a heartbeat.

  • Maurice Bobb Posted: Jun.1 at 3:01 pm
    What he said.

  • crook Posted: Jun.1 at 3:35 pm
    @chingy yea but usain bolt is winning. if you don’t think there is a difference than you can search TFB on youtube. theyre great athletes and they can jump out the gym. but theyre not playing in the NBA. no disrespect but that just shows you two different types of players.

  • meloman2.0 Posted: Jun.1 at 3:50 pm
    umm, hate to break it to u, but even if Kobe DOES get 6 rings, he wouldn’t have 6 finals MVP’s… he played Pippen for half his career so please, stop comparing him to Mike

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.1 at 3:58 pm
    @Meloman… So it’s the 6 Finals MVPs that matter now, not the rings? You think MJ values an individual award more than he values his rings? C’mon son. Congrats though, Meloman…you’ve just been inducted into the HHOF. The vote was a unanimous one.

  • G$ Posted: Jun.1 at 4:01 pm
    Puh-leeze. Get off Kobe’s jock. Freak does minstrel photo shoots,
    tries to snitch Shaq to the po po after cheating
    on his wife, quits on his team to teach em a lesson,
    and generally acts like the lil’ biotch he is. F him. Give me Oscar. Give me Magic. Give me Jordan.
    Give me Lebron. Please give me anyone other than
    that lower-jaw stickin’ out self-absorbed A-Hole. Please.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.1 at 4:05 pm
    G$…zero basketball knowledge = induction into the HHOF. Don’t worry though, you won’t be alone in there.

  • Adam Fleischer Posted: Jun.1 at 4:12 pm
    I hate Kobe…in the sense that I’ll root against him every time he steps on the court. Just the way I am and always have been. Maybe it’s cause I’m from Boston and a Celtic fan, maybe it’s cause I’ve never enjoyed rooting for whatever person or whichever team is the best (meaning I know he’s at the top, I guess). But I respect the sh*t out of his game. I love watching him each time. Love when I yell at my TV cause he just hit a shot that no one, and I mean no one, has any business hitting. Oh, also, very dope piece.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.1 at 4:22 pm
    Thanks, Adam. I appreciate it. Yes, the dude is unreal. I don’t really mind if people don’t like him, but just don’t act like he’s garbage because he’s not. He’s the best in the game right now and has been for quite some time.

  • amir Posted: Jun.1 at 4:23 pm
    Both a fan of Kobe AND Lebron, but skillwise Kobe is amazing to watch. Those skills take a lot of hard work and dedication, that’s why I respect the man (can’t say I particularly care for his personality).
    I hope that Lebron (mid range) and Dwight (postmoves) dedicate themselves to developing their games as much as he did..

  • Dre Baldwin Posted: Jun.1 at 4:42 pm
    Excellent post. “Your favorite baller’s favorite baller.”

  • don Posted: Jun.1 at 4:52 pm
    still not a fan. but who cares, i like his game.

  • Diesel Posted: Jun.1 at 5:20 pm
    The one and only thing that lowers Kobe’s value in my mind is that he’s struggled his entire career with how to keep his teammates involved while he’s getting his points. For a long time it was one or the other. He’s better now, but even still he’s bumping heads with Gasol over number of touches. That being said – he’s currently the best out there. I think the reason people refuse to place Kobe at or above MJ’s level is because he does pattern his game and off court mannerisms after the GOAT so much. I personally struggle with ranking him above the man he’s clearly trying to be. Maybe that puts me on the waiting list for the HHOF

  • Max7 Posted: Jun.1 at 5:24 pm
    If Kobe dickriding were an Olympic sport, this piece would earn straight “10″s across the board from judges leaping in the air with their oversized scorecards. I’ve grown to love Kobe’s game immensely, like the author of this piece, and overcome past prejudices. Unlike the author, I never felt loving his game meant creating every straw man possible to knock down & malign the opinions of others (“haters” “superior athletes” “futile to change anyone’s mind” “Kool-Aid” “winning is unimportant” etc etc). Kobe’s greatness is not honored by an embarrassing parade of cliches. One line summary of this piece of “writing” for everyone who doesn’t want to bother making sense of the tripe: “those who don’t worship at the altar of Kobe, tell me how my ass taste”.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.1 at 5:34 pm
    Nah Diesel, you good. Kobe won’t ever be able to overtake MJ simply because Jordan never lost in the Finals. Kobe is definitely right behind him though.

  • Homie Posted: Jun.1 at 5:36 pm
    I appreciate he’s a great player, Bryan, but I still hate on his Bears-come-up-to-this-window, ratfaced fugazy dumba– with reckless abandon. If that makes me and G$ candidates for the HHOF, then so be it. There’s a reason my wife continues to call him “The Bastard”.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.1 at 5:39 pm
    @Max7…Well, that’s not “exactly” what I was trying to say. Thanks for reading though. I guess each person has their own “interpretation” of what my point was.

  • Homie Posted: Jun.1 at 5:42 pm
    Still an a–, Bryan. G$ didn’t say anything about his ability, other than what you may read into the quitting-on-his-teammates comment. Yes, he’s extremely talented. But he’s also a gigantic prick whose ego means that for a large segment of the population he will never be one of the all time greats. If that means I’m inline for a spot in the HHOF, then so be it.

  • Homie Posted: Jun.1 at 5:44 pm
    oops sorry about the double post

  • larrylegend Posted: Jun.1 at 5:47 pm
    still a ballhog.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.1 at 5:55 pm
    @Homie…Ego? Really? All professional athletes have egos.

  • Homie Posted: Jun.1 at 5:57 pm
    Absolutely – it’s the nature of the beast. But come on. He’s a petulant, smug, self-absorbed prick.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.1 at 6:01 pm
    @Homie…Oh really? And you know this how?

  • LA Huey Posted: Jun.1 at 6:24 pm
    I would have enjoyed the article much more without the unnecessary LBJ diss but, like Kobe’s game, I gotta give Bryan props even though I dislike him.

  • Homie Posted: Jun.1 at 6:26 pm
    Ok, ok. He carries himself during competition like a petulant, smug, self-absorbed prick. Happy?

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.1 at 6:36 pm
    Homie, Kobe is all business out there. Can’t knock him for that. Unless you’d rather he danced on the sidelines with his teammates?

  • Jackie Moon Posted: Jun.1 at 6:50 pm
    Funniest is when people say they don’t like Kobe’s “whining” about calls all game. Don’t they know he’s working the refs, even when he gets a tech? How many times has he gotten that second tech and gotten kicked out? It’s by design. And you ever notice that he just about never complains about officiating once the game is done? He complains all game, but somehow, he shuts it off once it’s done. It’s because you can’t work the ref post-game. He’s not a whiner by nature, it’s all part of the gamesmanship.

  • Alyssa Posted: Jun.1 at 7:03 pm
    Very good article. I’ve been making this debate for too many years to count and it’s unfortunate that it most likely won’t be until the man’s gone that most people will appreciate what we saw him do in front of our eyes.

  • Bryan Posted: Jun.1 at 7:18 pm
    A Lebron fan saying they hate Kobe for his ego..interesting.

  • T-Money Posted: Jun.1 at 7:21 pm
    I don’t know what Bryan refers to when he’s talking about the constant love that LeBron gets. He’s been getting killed by the Buchers, Baylesses Wojos and Wises. We get it, you don’t like him. But he had nothing to do with this article and it kinda shows your bias that you can’t praise Kobe without dissing Bron. / Saying that Kobe is the 2nd best player of all-time kinda discredits everything else you have to say. Second best SG maybe. Player? Keep steppin, son. If his career ended today, Kobe would be behind at least Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, MJ, Oscar and Russell. Don’t get caught up in the moment. Look at his body of work and compare it to those greats. The discussion with Jordan STARTS at 6 rings. Until then, there’s nothing to talk about. Kobe does have peers, they’re called Shaq and Tim Duncan. Their resume right now is as good as his.

  • T-Money Posted: Jun.1 at 7:23 pm
    Bryan: a Kobe fan saying they hate LeBron because he’s conceited is kinda interesting too… Just saying. IMO they’re both very arrogant. / As I’ve said in another post: What happens if Kobe loses though? It’s only fair that his legacy be somewhat tarnished by only batting .571 in the Finals (compared to Mike’s perfect record) and getting beat twice by the exact same team.

  • Bryan Posted: Jun.1 at 7:24 pm
    t-money the more you talk the more obvious it is you know NOTHING about the history of ball aside from numbers. Go read Bill Simmons book again I don’t think you’ve quite gotten the “I don’t know anything but I read about it” attitude yet. Dummy.

  • Bryan Posted: Jun.1 at 7:26 pm
    So Kobe gets penalized for making SEVEN finals. How many people even make one? That’s the lamest pile of garbage I’ve ever heard.

  • Bryan Posted: Jun.1 at 7:34 pm
    I also don’t hate Lebron. I do hate his arrogance more than Kobe’s though..Lebron has the arrogance of a champion without actually being a champion. Kobe has a right to be a little more arrogant in my book he’s back his stuff up.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.1 at 7:46 pm
    T-Money has been in the HHOF for a while now, Bryan. Take everything that he has to say with a grain of salt.

  • Bryan Posted: Jun.1 at 7:54 pm
    Trust me dude, I’ve been hearing it for months… he’s such a hater he changed his name after swearing off the slam site and came back just to continue to hate.

  • PlanetAsia14 Posted: Jun.1 at 7:59 pm
    Finally! Thank you so much for this article, I’ve been waiting for one among something like this. So many people hate on Kobe, but really it’s because the teams they root for cannot get past his team.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.1 at 8:03 pm
    T-Money, first off…I never dissed Bron. I merely stated the obvious. Secondly, yes, LeBron is heavily criticized by journalists, but don’t act like he still doesn’t get love and admiration from people. And yes, I feel like Kobe is #2 behind MJ who is #1 in my book as the greatest NBA player of all time. Forget position. Who would you put as #2 behind Jordan? Shaq? Tim Duncan? Or one of those old players you named off? What a joke. And I laugh when people try and drag in players from the past that they never saw play into an argument about the greatest players ever. I saw the tail end of Kareem and a majority of Magic and Bird in their careers. I never saw Wilt. I never saw the Big O. I never saw Bill Russell. I have respect for them as OG’s in this game, but my list starts with MJ and both he and Kobe could’ve played in any era and done the exact same things. He’d be hands down #2 OF ALL TIME if his career ended today. And no, Kobe has no peers at the moment. He’s been to more Finals than anybody currently playing and if he wins, he’ll have more rings than anybody currently playing. The conversation doesn’t start at 6 rings, it starts right now. Man, that Kool-Aid you’ve been drinking has you all messed up in the head young’n. A man who’s accomplished so much in the modern era of the NBA can’t get no love? Where they do that? When they opened up a lane for haters, common sense and basketball knowledge went right out the window. SMH…

  • Bryan Posted: Jun.1 at 8:15 pm
    Bryan- we have had this exact conversation about T-money on twitter.

  • Real Talk Posted: Jun.1 at 8:30 pm
    I hate this new argument that the “OLD HEADS” (in a Beanie Sigel voice) came up with lol. Their new thing is MJ never lost in an NBA Finals. The guys that were young in the MJ days are now “OLD HEADS” so they still cant see nobody surpassing MJ. 1st it was Kobe cant win without SHAQ-TUS,then it was well he don’t have 6 rings. So now that Kobe has a chance for 6 they come with A NEW EXCUSE!!!!!!!! No, Kobe isn’t better than MJ yet but to quote Jay-z about the Biggie comparisons = IF I AINT BETTER THAN BIG THAN I’M THE CLOSET ONE.

  • Jon Posted: Jun.1 at 8:58 pm
    All this conversation could be ended if friggin’ Danny Ferry gave LeBron Gasol-like help. Urgh Danny Ferry should be fired! And Brown! And Mo Williams/Shaq/Jamison! Just leave LeBron!!!

  • Robb Posted: Jun.1 at 9:29 pm
    Bryan Crawford this is an AWESOME article. Thanks.

  • Edgar Canares Posted: Jun.1 at 9:29 pm
    @Bryan… I received the tweet but I can’t send you a direct message. Do you have an email address??? Thanks.

  • mchew15 Posted: Jun.1 at 9:35 pm
    @ jon: july 1st, DONE.

  • t.o Posted: Jun.1 at 9:50 pm
    i think kobe’s the best but he is like a villian to lebron

  • SirGirthNasty Posted: Jun.1 at 9:59 pm
    That’s pretty much been my defense of Kobe ever since he rose to prominence in the league. If you’re a basketball fan, how can you hate on the guy who’s damn near unarguably the best player in the world? I understand people have issue with his arrogance, or that they have to root against him because he’s playing against their team, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s great. It doesn’t. It never will. “Hate me because I’m a champion.” – Kobe

  • T-Money Posted: Jun.1 at 10:15 pm
    Bryan: Yawn. You haven’t contributed much lately besides ad hominem attacks. I’ll take the high road and ignore your comments / Bryan Crawford: Why shouldn’t Bron get love and admiration from fans like every other superstar? What he surely does not get his love and admiration from media types. I don’t know if that’s debatable right now. And I don’t know what it had to do with the rest of the article. / Are we supposed to dismiss the careers of the greats that were before our time? That’s a bit shortsighted. Di Stefano and Puskas in soccer are considered in the same breath as Pelé even though they played well before him. I don’t see the logic there. / Also, Finals appearances are meaningless, nobody really cares if you don’t win and when it’s all sad and done, we only count the rings. How many Finals Magic played in? Bird? Dream? Malone? On the ring count, it goes 5-3-2-0. That’s what matters. If anything, it kinda hurts you if you go to the big dance too many times and come back empty handed like Thurman Thomas / More importantly, you’ve done a good job of mocking my point but you didn’t offer any counter. Serious question: why is Kobe better than (to pick former Lakers you’ve seen live) Magic and Kareem? / To take current players, why can’t TD and Shaq see him as far as career accomplishments? What has he done to set himself apart? A 5th ring would create separation but he still has to beat Boston and we can agree that it’s not guaranteed at all. It’s absolutely ridiculous to me that the definition of a Kobe hater is someone who doesn’t rate him as at least #2 all-time. I’ve had that discussion in another comment section and even Myles wasn’t putting him that high. Is he a Kobe hater too? Right now, he’s top 10. Where he goes from there is entirely up to him. There is no Kool-Aid here, this is not hype: his resume doesn’t match MJ’s yet in any conceivable way. In terms of rings, stats, MVPs and Finals MVPs. Kobe can absolutely get there, no one is untouchable but he has to actually, you know, do it.

  • Bryan Posted: Jun.1 at 10:40 pm
    I think winning more finals than you lose , four(or five) out of seven for example is a big deal. Being there competing for it year and year out says a lot about a player, just as not playing in the big show means a lot on the opposite end. Jerry West didn’t win a lot of titles but he was there every year bringing it down to the wire. Which is more than we can say right now a Mr Lebron. King will have to play in the finals every year until hes’ 32 to match Kobe and win 66% of those times to match his win total. What has he done to show anyone that hes up to it?

  • T-Money Posted: Jun.1 at 11:25 pm
    Correct, LeBron has done absolutely nothing so far to show that he’s up to it. Doesn’t mean he can’t and won’t, he certainly has the ability, let’s see if he has the will and the mental strength to embrace those challenges. But why are we talking about LeBron’s career?? / We’ll just have to agree to disagree on the Finals appearances. I don’t rate Finals appearances that much, sure it’s better that getting beat earlier, it shows progress but ultimately that rarely gets written in bios unless you’ve lost a ton of them like West and Thurman Thomas.

  • Seymour Bhutts Posted: Jun.1 at 11:25 pm
    You could also mention hes been playing injured. Scored 81 points. Played clutch in the Olympics and got team USA the gold in the last two minutes. etc. etc. As my pappy use to say “dont hate the playa hate da game”

  • The Philosopher Posted: Jun.1 at 11:27 pm
    Magic’s been to 9 Finals…

  • The Philosopher Posted: Jun.1 at 11:29 pm
    Ant the reason they’re talking about LeBron’s career is because he is THE KING.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.1 at 11:33 pm
    T-Money, you seem to already be under the assumption that LA can’t beat Boston because of what happened in ’08. But more than that, you’re just hoping Kobe doesn’t win. That’s fine. I get it. Shaq is 4-6 in the Finals. So is Kobe right now, but I only brought up appearances in the Finals to raise a point. Of course the ring counts. Duh. C’mon son…he’s on his 7th go at it. In the last 20 years, the only player who’s played in more was Magic with 9, who lost 4 times in case you weren’t aware. And I NEVER said that you’re a Kobe hater if you don’t rate him #2 all-time. Again, I can only comment on players that I saw with my own eyes and by that criteria, that’s his spot. But I never suggested that anyone agree with me on that. That’s my opinion only. But to clarify, a Kobe Hater is someone who refuses to give that man his props in spite of everything that he’s accomplished. Things you saw him do. Not things you heard about.

  • The Philosopher Posted: Jun.1 at 11:38 pm
    Kobe DOES do what he do. Surefire all timer. Period. He’s not as good as Michael, though.

  • Anton Posted: Jun.1 at 11:55 pm
    Lord of the Rings

  • T-Money Posted: Jun.2 at 12:23 am
    Bryan, where did you see me implying that LA can’t win? I’m merely saying that those teams are kinda neck-to-neck. I actually don’t care who wins, I’m not a Boston fan at all. I used to be a KG fan before he turned into a jack a– but that’s about it.

  • Jukai Posted: Jun.2 at 1:28 am
    I’m not here to hate on Kobe— even though he’s only third best in the NBA (funny, when Isiah Thomas was winning rings, no one thought he was better than Larry, Magic, or Jordan… but if Kobe does it, he’s better than Lebron and Wade. Cool. Makes sense. Dur hur.) but I am here to hate on the dude who bashed Kobe’s asinine behavior and then said give him Oscar— READ YOUR HISTORY, SON. Robertson was a HUGE prick. This guy would HATE on his team for making the most miniscule mistake. Don’t say things you don’t know anything about.

  • Jukai Posted: Jun.2 at 1:41 am
    Oh boy, actually I gotta interject, I missed the portion where you said Kobe’s the second best all time.. that’s ridiculous… I mean…
    It goes Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Chamberlain, Russel, Bird… Kobe ain’t better than any of those guys. It ain’t even that CLOSE.
    We talking about winning above anything else? Then you gotta put Russel and Kareem ahead of Kobe. You got no choice. Magic got more with a smaller amount of time, Bird has one less but did it all in limit years! C’mon son! Use your own logic! Throw Chamberlain out if you want, cause Chamberlain won when he wanted… but he mostly didn’t want to. That’s fine. But if WINNING IS ABOVE ALL ELSE, you can’t discredit Russell for his eleven, you can’t discredit Kareem for his six, and you can’t discredit Magic for his five— end of story.
    If you wanna talk nuances, then I’ll talk nuances.
    Magic overcame all egos and was far more versatile… Sure, he couldn’t shoot like Kobe, but the mismatches he caused were undeniable— you couldn’t just let Magic do what he wanted and shut down everyone else like you can Kobe. Magic would get everyone else involved. His passing and leadership raised everyone else up, I mean, f it, he got ego cases like Kareem and McAdoo to fall behind him! He gave Kurt Rambis a career!
    So that makes Kobe ONLY the third best guard of all time… and I’m not so sure about putting him ahead of Big O, but from what I’ve read about the Big O recently, I’m considering it more and more.
    I also constantly ponder if Kobe’s better than Hakeem and Duncan… but I’m sure you dun wanna/wont hear it.

  • Jukai Posted: Jun.2 at 1:51 am
    I also love the fact that if you say to a Kobe fan “well, he only has one Finals MVP, doesn’t that say something?” they will say “he doesn’t care about individual accolates! (not true, but you smile and nod)” but if you say something like “but what about Robert Horry? Is he better with six/seven rings?” they tell you “NO! ROBERT HORRY WAS A ROLE PLAYER, HE WASN’T THE MAN!”
    Yet, the Finals MVPs indicate Kobe wasn’t the man 3/4 times. But I guess, if you like your player, you can extend what ‘counts’ and what ‘doesn’t count.’ Kobe was the second best, so he counts. Robert Horry was the fourth best, so he doesn’t. Okay, cool!
    Sorry, guess I really DID get into it.

  • chintao Posted: Jun.2 at 5:22 am
    Nice try, but the justification for hating Kobe is the same as the justification for hating Jordan. They are both myopic egomaniacs that make the world a worse place. Whatever amazement one might derive from watching their on-court exploits is more than canceled-out by their horrible personality traits (actually for Kobe, that’s “personality”, because merely apes Jordan) and their utter failure to utilize their extraordinary status to support their communities or effect any sort of real, positive change in any even tiny way at all. To put it another way: Satan (if he/she existed) could probably do some amazing sh!t on the basketball court. Would that make you Satan’s biggest fan? I’m guessing that the answer is “Probably not,” you lame-assed Kobe-riders.

  • Hursty Posted: Jun.2 at 6:55 am
    Dislike Kobe. Not a fan of him. But a fan of his GAME, and how complete it is. He is a champion. But not MY champion (if that makes sense).
    Good stuff Bryan, props on that.
    Jukai – you killed it again. *fist bump*.

  • Hursty Posted: Jun.2 at 7:08 am
    chintao – I haven’t done my research, but I’m inclined to agree with your points on community service of the two.

  • Darksaber Posted: Jun.2 at 8:34 am
    Been sitting on pins and needles waiting for Chintao’s reaction to Slam’s recent Kobe-slurping and he.did.not.disappoint. Wow, and what a last sentence too. As for this article, BC knows i could care less about Mambiatch, but in terms of game, i’m with Hursty. Lets see what Kobe-GOATATS(greatest of all time according to Slam) has to offer against a true defensive team. OKC? Kids play. Utah? Yeah, right. Fesenko is a defensive backbone alright. Suns? With Grant trying to defend him and Amare of all trades (except on D) waiting to stifle his drives? Please. He’s been fantastic in output and the usual douchenozzle in oncourt behavior, just luuuuv to root against him.

  • Proudly Rwandan Posted: Jun.2 at 8:58 am
    Who is Lebron James? Ooh, my bad. I remember him getting swept by San Antonio like three years ago. Sorry, I only watch the NBA in June.

  • Kap Posted: Jun.2 at 11:52 am
    How can Russell be ahead who had a one dimensional game and Bird who was a horrible defender and no where near as talented as Kobe? Duncan never went bk to bk let alone bk to bk to bk. I say only Kareem & Michael are ahead of Kobe. You have to use the equation (talent+championships+stats+players around individual=rank in history).

  • Jukai Posted: Jun.2 at 1:13 pm
    Kap: Are you making up history?
    Kobe is a better scorer than Russell. That’s it. Russell is a better rebounder, it’s not even close… Russell is a superior defender, not even close… and guess what… Russell’s a superior passer too. Russell’s career averages for assists are 4.3 compared to Kobe’s 4.7… but check out how many assists were handed out in the 1960s: far lower than how many assists are handed out today. After Cousy retired, Russell was literally RUNNING THE CELTICS CHAMPIONSHIP OFFENSE. As a center. Dude was averaging 4-5 assists a game, in today’s game, that’s probably 6-7!
    The only thing Kobe has over Russell is his scoring. That’s it. Not leadership. Not the drive. CERTAINLY not likeability.
    And I just -love- how people suddenly think Bird was a horrible defender… DESPITE MAKING THREE ALL-DEFENSIVE SECOND TEAM SELECTIONS. Bird was a mediocre (at worst) iso defender. He was too slow laterally to stay infront of quicker threes. That certainly wasn’t a problem though; Bird had great hands to grab the steal, and Bird was famous for letting a guy go by then blocking him from behind.
    I don’t blame you for thinking Bird was a bad defender; I’ve heard it from several people on SLAM. The truth is far from the truth: Bird was a pretty damn good defender. Bird only started getting beat hardcore in the last two/three years of his career, you know, when his back started tightening up and it caused him intense pain to bend down.
    Read a book or something, kid.
    And if (talent+championships+stats-players around individual=rank in history), then Magic/Russell/Chamberlain are still over Kobe. Way over Kobe. I guess Bird becomes debatable in your equation.
    Duncan has more FInals MVPs than Kobe does. Just sayin’.

  • LA Huey Posted: Jun.2 at 1:15 pm
    @Kap, I gotta defend the greatest to rock the #6. He was not one-dimensional. His Celtic squads didn’t need him to produce on offense and he recognized that fact. The needed him to be a defensive presence (check), clean the glass (check), and ignite the break with a perfect outlet pass (check). Check his stats from his days in college. Don’t confuse him for the precursor to Dwight.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.2 at 1:18 pm
    Jukai…You’re tripping. But you’re already in the HHOF anyway, so what else is new?

  • Kap Posted: Jun.2 at 1:36 pm
    yea this kid is a f*ckin doctor. I wanna know how many of you actually watch Bill Russell play in your lifetimes. Of all the individuals you all named kobe has much more skill and IQ is about equal with all of those. He also has more rings than all those guys except Magic & Russell & the GOAT. Kobe is easily top five with or without this ring. The game has evolved so much that you cannot even compare those guys to today’s athletes. You think Russell could shut down a young KG, Yao Ming, or Tim Duncan. He was only around 6’8 or 6’9. Just due to lack of athletes, size, discrimination keeping many blacks out the game, no europeans, and the distractions surrounding today’s athletes you just can’t say that anyone in that generation is better than anyone today. By the way, Kobe is the greatest Laker so of course he is ahead of Magic. I guess that’s the true debate: Who is the greatest Laker?

  • Kap Posted: Jun.2 at 1:43 pm
    You mentioning Russell’s assist per game as proof of being a better passer is hilarious. Life has taught me its easier to go but what you see instead of data or statistics.

  • Kap Posted: Jun.2 at 1:56 pm
    What makes Kobe so great is how he is always doubted but he constantly proves those people wrong. No player in history is/ was as polarizing as Kobe is. His resiliancy, cut throat mentality, intelligence, and drive alone make him top five. People can make excuses and come up with stats all day but alot of guys hearts pump piss while this guys heart pumps blood, sweat, and tears. His game is a metaphor of life. Constantly being sent to your lowest point but always rising up and reaching the mountain top once again. The game will never see another player like this again so enjoy while you all can because everyone could learn a little from this guy.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.2 at 2:01 pm
    What Kap said…

  • T-Money Posted: Jun.2 at 2:15 pm
    “The game will never see another player like this again so enjoy while you all can” Oh my. I’m out of this discussion. Kap is too much for me to handle. For every level-headed Kob fan, you have a Kap I guess.

  • T-Money Posted: Jun.2 at 2:25 pm
    And how is Kobe constantly sent to his lowest point? Yeah, Colorado happened. And then? It’s funny that the two most polarizing players for the media are the two most loved by the fans (almost unconditionally outside of message boards and comments section). That’s why I smirk when people portray them as villains or underdogs. Dude, Kobe and Bron are basically demigods, they get love all around the world, their merch can not stay on racks, their peers are in awe of them. The against-all-odds/nobody-believed-in-me angle is completely ridiculous.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.2 at 2:29 pm
    T-Money, you haven’t raised a valid argument yet…

  • G$ Posted: Jun.2 at 2:46 pm
    Who needs haters?
    When ya hate yourself this much? http://www.latimesmagazine.com/2010/05/kobe-white-hot.html Welcome to the minstrel show. Every brother ain’t a brother.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.2 at 3:17 pm
    That’s old G$…is that the best you can do? I notice how the “haters” always have to move the conversation away from basketball just to get a one up on Kobe. Keep it on the court and let’s see what you can come up with then. SMH….

  • Playa Posted: Jun.2 at 3:24 pm
    Great article, Bryan. Kobe’s the best. Period. And you’re right. LeBron may be a better athlete but he sure ain’t a better basket ball player. Too bad they gave LeBron his MVP award.

  • T-Money Posted: Jun.2 at 3:54 pm
    Bryan: I’ve raised plenty of basketball-related points as to why it was absolutely ridiculous to consider Kobe the second best basketball player of all-time. You’ve chosen to dismiss them all without ever offering any kind of rebuttal. You’re very dense and petty with your HHOF bs. It’s not very nice to say but you aren’t very good or convincing at what you do. Yeah, you’ll preach to the choir but you will not be able to change or sway people’s opinion if you can’t even deconstruct their arguments. Callin people haters is such an easy cop-out.

  • Kap Posted: Jun.2 at 4:00 pm
    @ T-pennies…All of this stuff is opinion. There is no right answer. We all like different things get over it. Its stupid for you to bash this guy for his opinion and him bc he jokingly call people who disagree haters. After all, this is his article so he can say whatever the hell he wants. I dont think anyone who goes by the name t-money has much credibility in the first place.

  • Jonathan Santiago Posted: Jun.2 at 4:06 pm
    It’s important that you said to disregard any personal feelings you have about the guy and think about him strictly in terms of what he does on the basketball court. The people who are dissing Kobe didn’t read the article obviously, because they’re pointing out his weaknesses as a person to fuel their hate, not as a basketball player.

  • Kap Posted: Jun.2 at 4:07 pm
    ^alleged weaknesses

  • Kap Posted: Jun.2 at 4:08 pm
    If guys wanna play the Scarlet Letter then MJ and Magic were both unfaithful but I guess its different for KB

  • Kap Posted: Jun.2 at 4:09 pm
    I think thats some b*tch sh*t to bring up guys personal lives so excuse my last post.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.2 at 4:13 pm
    T-Money, the HHOF thing is fun for me actually. Especially when people try and grab any little thing they can to try and devalue Kobe as a player. Stop reaching. You can’t do it. It’s IMPOSSIBLE. That’s why I named this “Hater Proof.” I ranked him #2 all-time. Even if he never wins another ‘ship, he’s still the second best player behind MJ. But that’s my personal opinion as I’ve stated many times. You’re trying to argue against that when that was never even my original point in this piece. So why would I even waste my time trying to deconstruct or rebut a one line blurb in a 900+ word article? It makes no sense. You tell me why Kobe doesn’t deserve to be considered as one of the greatest basketball players EVER and than we can talk. C’mon man…I expect more from a guy who’s made his name trying to one-up some of the writers here. You’re doing a very poor job. Maybe you should just give it up?

  • RedRum Posted: Jun.2 at 5:46 pm
    ok… can we stop the crap with the 4 rings? He does not have four rings in the way that Jordan has 6, he has one, the one last year. The 2000-2003 rings are Shaqs. It is like saying that Pipen is a good as Jordan, because they both have six rings… As far as Kobe goes, we should start counting from last year. When and if he wins 5-6 rings being the top dog (again.. for the first three that was Shaq), then we can start having MJ conversations.

  • RedRum Posted: Jun.2 at 5:49 pm
    I agree though that at this point Kobe is the best player in the league. Lebron needs a midrange J and a post game. Unless he gets those two components in his game, he will be a limited superathlete, susceptible to being beaten by teams that pack the middle.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.2 at 5:52 pm
    Uhm Redrum, Jordan didn’t win any rings by himself. Neither did Shaq or Kobe. That’s not the way this game works. LeBron is a perfect example of how no one player can do it alone. It’s impossible. So when people try and use that as their basis for devaluing Kobe, I say that they don’t know the first thing about basketball.

  • playa Posted: Jun.2 at 6:19 pm
    Pau Gasol…

  • RedRum Posted: Jun.2 at 6:52 pm
    Bryan… of course no player wins by himself. But in every team there is a leader. In Bulls that was Jordan. when people refer to the Bull’s six championships, the immediate connection is with Jordan, not Pipen. MJ was the top scorer and finals MVP in all six championships, not Pipen. shaq did not win the three championships by himself, Kobe was his Pipen. But the fact is that Shaq was the top scorer and Finals MVP for those championships, not Kobe. Shaq was the on court and emotional leader of those teams, not Kobe, in the same way that MJ was the emotional and court leader on those Bulls championships, not Pipen. Refrain from insulting your readers, it is you who comes up as a Kobe cheerleader that does not care about the facts…

  • RedRum Posted: Jun.2 at 7:00 pm
    As I said, only last year Kobe was the LEADER of that team, and he deserves any praise for leading his team. To reverse it, whatever you wrote about Kobe, you can write about Pau. Where were the Lakers before Pau arrived to the Lakers? Loosing at the first round.. barely making the playoffs. Pau now plays the same role that Kobe played on the 2000-2003 team, the complimentary player that helps the leader to carry the team. If you cannot see that, then I would say that you don’t know the first thing about basketball…

  • Zee! Posted: Jun.2 at 7:27 pm
    WOW

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.2 at 8:16 pm
    Unfortunately Redrum, there will be no w/Shaq, w/o Shaq asterisks next to Kobe’s name when it comes to championships. And you using Finals MVPs as part of the basis for your argument is comical. Who cares about those? They mean about as much the regular season MVP award. According to you, whoever wins it automatically lays claim to ownership of the titles? That’s absurd. DWade won it, but Shaq still led that team. So he was Pippen to Wade’s Jordan? Of course not. Let’s not say things just for the sake of making an argument. And why so sensitive? I’m not insulting anyone. I only point out the ridiculousness in people’s comments. If you feel insulted by that, I offer no apologies.

  • RedRum Posted: Jun.2 at 8:37 pm
    so calling a valid point ridiculous is not an insult? calling my arguments comical? Your behaviour towards the people that took time to eard your article and respond is appalling. Anyway, after your Wade/Shaq comment it is obvious that you have no clue about basketball… did you actually watch those games?? You actually saw that Wade was NOT the leader of that team but Shaq was??? And no, the Finals MVP is not a definite proof of the leader of the team. But it is an indication. So let me get what you say: Shaq was NOT the leader of the 2000-2003 team, but Kobe was, but in the Miami championship Shaq WAS the leader but Wade was NOT??? And Pipen WAS as much of a leader as MJ?? Are you really serious??? sorry, but you strike me as a fanboy that has no clue about basketball, SLAM is really lowering its standards…

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.2 at 8:42 pm
    Haha Redrum…no that’s not what I was saying at all. I’ll be a “fanboy” though. I’ve been called worse. Your comments/arguments are all over the place and don’t dignify a response. Stop being so sensitive, though. Take the skirt off. Man up…

  • RedRum Posted: Jun.2 at 8:53 pm
    no buddy, YOUR arguments are all over the place. First you say that Shaq was not the leader of the lakers championship teams, then you say that he was the leader on the Miami team, then you say that MJ did not win it alone, implying that Kobe was NOT Shaq’s Pipen but Wade WAS Shaq’s Pipen… Listen, I get it. You are a young clueless chap, trying to make a name for yourself in a very competitive business. Sorry to say, you don’t have it.. you are a lightweight. It is obvious to whoever reads the complete and utter inconsistency of your responses that you just have no clue. Good luck.

  • T-Money Posted: Jun.2 at 9:07 pm
    Bryan Crawford: you’re not as dumb as you sound, you know very well that nobody said that Kobe wasn’t one of the greatest of all time. In fact, I said that he was top 10 (but top 2 was insane). You’re arguing against arguments that were never made. Opinions can not be debated, only arguments can. All you have to offer are opinions. I applaud brilliant writers on this site even if I don’t always agree with them (Lang, Russ, Jake, Khalid, Ryan, O, Cub). You, on the other hand, are not very good at what you do. Thankfully for me, I do this for sh-t n giggles and I’m really good at what I do for a living. I hope you have something else to fall back on. (unless this is a master plan to drive up comments and traffic on bad articles, it would at least make you business savvy, if not a good writer)

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.2 at 9:25 pm
    T-Money, I’m a terrible writer and this was a bad article, why? Because I said Kobe was Top 2? That’s pretty funny.

  • wad da f$$K Posted: Jun.2 at 9:34 pm
    I don’t know why people devalue kobe in the three peats run. Kobe was killing the West with teams like the Spurs, Kings, and Portlands. Shaq was effective but wasn’t as effective as Kobe, because those teams could actually guard Shaq. Unlike shaq, they had no answer for Kobe. Not to take anything away from Shaq, he was playing against the weak eastern teams such as the pacers, nets, sixers, who did not have great defense nor great inside presence so it was easy for a guy like shaq to dominate them.It was strategic to have shaq as the main focus in those series. You just hating if you said kobe doesn’t deserve those 3 rings. Like the writer said, you don’t have to like Kobe as the person, but you have to respect his game.

  • wad da f$$K Posted: Jun.2 at 9:38 pm
    I can recall that magic wasn’t always the final mvp, yet you people don’t devalue his importance to the championships run, but yet you do it to Kobe. SMH.

  • Bryan Posted: Jun.2 at 10:13 pm
    tmoney , you talk sh*t about everybody you dont agree with. you “unfollowed” russ, you trashed Myles on here a lot. you even went so far as to LEAVE THE SITE and change your name as to not lose credibility. so nice try. You might be great at your job but you really know nothing about ball aside from numbers. you cant make any arguments based on the way people play the game only the numbers they put up.

  • RedRum Posted: Jun.2 at 10:38 pm
    things are simple: who was the leader of the Bulls teams? MJ. who was the leader of the 2000-2003 LA teams” Shaq. Who was the leader of MIA:Wade. Who is the leader of the 2008-2010 LA teams: Kobe. Like it or not, the largest amount of responsibility and praise falls on the leader. No one is complaining about why Jamison underpeformed in the for the Cavs. Everybody is talking about Lebron. Why? He is the natural emotional and on court leader.Like it or not, Kobe was not the leader of the 2000-2003 teams. Shaq was. To put it in the Triangle offense perspective, the leader of the team is what in the triangle is called the “attacker”. MJ was the attacker for the Bulls, Shaq was the attacker for LA, Kobe is the attacker now. It is a very simple concept to grasp. It is also very easy to grasp that the first three rings have the same importance to Kobe’s career as Pipen’s rings to his. Kobe was Shaq’s Pipen, period. His rings as “MJ-surpassing acccolades” start with last year’s ring. If he wins 3-4 more as the attacker, then we can start making the conversation of Kobe suprassing MJ. And a final point: Jordan NEVER lost a Final. We won all of them. Kobe has lost two…. Badly… Remember the 39 point lose in game 6 against the Cs? Does anyone really in their right mind think that MJ would have allowed his team to loose by 39 points in a Finals game?? It is not just numbers that separate further Kobe from MJ. I will admit this though: RIGHT NOW, Kobe is the closest thing I have seen to MJ. He now grasps the notion of leadership, he is absolutely brilliant, easily the best player in the planet, by a large margin actually. But this only applies to the past two seasons. Most of his work during the 00s was the build up to come to this point. It took him a couple of years more than MJ to find his stride (I think MJ got it around 26-27). I am actually rooting for Kobe, and I believe if he keeps healthy, he can win another 3-4 rings. But THESE will be the ones defining his legacy,and these will be the ones that will make him equal or surpass MJ, not the ones he won with Shaq. You can be as much as a fanboy you want, but if you cannot see that simple fact, then you are just a narrow-minded fanboy.

  • T-Money Posted: Jun.2 at 10:50 pm
    Bryan Crawford: Not because you said he was top 2, because you had nothing to back that up and show clearly why he’s better – at this point of his career – than guys like Magic, Kareem, Russell et al.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.2 at 11:01 pm
    Redrum, I never said that Shaq wasn’t the leader in LA. If anything, I said that Kobe wasn’t a complimentary player. Robert Horry is the definition of what you would call a complimentary player. Complimentary players don’t lead teams to championships, they participate. And as evidence of me being “clueless”, I give you this… During the 3-peat in LA, Shaq consecutively averaged 30.7ppg, 30.4ppg, and 28.5ppg. Kobe’s numbers during that same stretch, 21.1ppg, 29.4ppg, and 26.6ppg. So I’d say that those were more than just complimentary player numbers. Those are NBA superstar numbers. Don’t get it twisted, Shaq was 1A and Kob was 1B in LA for sure. And as far as Shaq in Miami, how was he not the leader? He was a 3x NBA champ on a squad that hadn’t won a thing. Who do you think they deferred to? Who do you think they listened to? A third year player? Please. What is he going to tell then? Wade had better per game averages and put on a helluva show, but Shaq was the unquestioned leader of that team. And I didn’t say that Shaq was DWade’s “Pippen”, I asked you if you thought that based on your Finals MVP argument. Get it straight. I love when people who have absolutely no comebacks resort to calling me a terrible writer and saying that SLAM’s standards have fallen. That’s hilarious.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.2 at 11:02 pm
    Love and totally respect his game he is #1B. Lebron is 1A for the reason Redrum said. Not to know and acknowledge that shows a lack of basketball. Jerry West said it Barkley said it Lebron is the best player in the world. On NBA TV a few months ago they were talking and they said, if you switch teams could Kobe get they Cavs into the players and everyone said possibly as a 4th of 5th seed. The Lakers would not lose a beat because of Lebron’s scoring and incredible passing and setting up teammates. They said they probably wouls sweep the playoff. I don’t know about all that but I know he was second in the league in scoring, and he outpassed tons of PG in the assist category. He doesn’t have another true Superstar on his team and he is the only player who Legler said has to have a great game for his team to win. Let’s look at Redrum’s points, Shaq was the leader… he was Batman and Kobe was Robin. Robery Horry has 7 rings does that mean he is greater then Kobe, MJ, or Lebron? The first time Kobe had the team really to his self, he got killed by P. Pierce. Kobe looked like a deer in the headlights… he had pierce saying he is the best player in the world. Last year Kobe did it on his own. MJ was the top dog on every championship… the Alpha dog, Batman… he never was the sidekick and Kobe was. You have to watch what criteria you use to say someone is the best. D. Fish has more championships then Lebron… is he better? The best player is not always on the best team.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.2 at 11:05 pm
    Have no name calling for you B… I just disagree.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.2 at 11:09 pm
    T-Money, what you don’t realize is that I don’t have to back up my “personal opinion” with anything. That’s why it’s called a personal opinion. There is no right or wrong. So I don’t have to debate it with you. That’s just how I feel. Just like my personal opinion is that you’re very unintelligent and misinformed about this game. I don’t have to explain why I feel that way…I’ll just let you keep “talking” to illustrate my point.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.2 at 11:27 pm
    Dre, saying that LeBron is the best player in the world and co-signing on anything Charles Barkley says sort of makes me wonder. But I’m not going to diss you for that, I’m just going to take that as you were just trying to make a joke because I definitely LMAO’d. BTW, the best player in the world is still playing and trying to win another championship, not doing interviews with Larry King and preparing to watch the Finals like the rest of us. So Kobe looked like a deer in headlights in the ’08 Finals, huh? I don’t think so. You’re confusing him with LO, Pau, and the rest of those guys on that team who had never been there before. Jeez, he only averaged 30.1ppg in the postseason that year. Boston made it hard for him and his teammates didn’t step up. That’s what happened there. A deer in headlights denotes fear which is an insult to Kob.

  • The Philosopher Posted: Jun.2 at 11:37 pm
    LeBron is the best player in the world.

  • T-Money Posted: Jun.2 at 11:54 pm
    Bryan Crawford: good luck with that personal-opinion-with-no-arguments angle. you are painfully transparent: it’s plain to see that you don’t HAVE the arguments to back up Kobe at #2 all-time. That’s why you put words in my mouth to steer the convo in another direction and implying that I said that he’s not of the best of all-time or that I’m not giving the Lakers any chance vs the Celts (he’s top 10 and both teams are neck to neck). kthxbye.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.3 at 12:12 am
    T-Money, I may be “painfully transparent”, but you’re largely invisible in any basketball conversation between adults who actually “know” basketball and who are, for lack of better words, sane and coherent. Twofangaz…

  • KB24 Posted: Jun.3 at 2:46 am
    T-Money & Jukai are retards, they’re acting out some scenes of Brokeback Mountain right now lmfao

  • nastierthanu Posted: Jun.3 at 6:07 am
    A couple things that no-one has yet to add. I think we all can agree that there has never been a physical presence in the game like shaq. We haven’t seen any over 7ft monsters with skill quicksness and hops. So no doubt he was a impossible cover in his haydays. So is anyone on this sight prepared to say that if mike played with shaq during that time he still wouldve have won 6 finals mvp’s. Please don’t just answer close your eyes and get ur denzel on. Remember the diesel. That being said if we were to switch and put kobe on the bulls I find it hard to believe that he wouldn’t have been able to lead those teams to history. Hold on keep reading before you start hating. To play mike on the bulls you must be able to understand the triangle, play the central scorer and live up to the media criticism on the alpha dog on a phil jackson squad. I can’t say that kobe couldn’t have accomplished those thing. I really think the whole arguement centralizes on 1 thing. If u have a hard time excepting that kobe could be the greatest of all time then it because maybe MJ wasn’t the #1 stunner to begin with. In my book he is but russell’s 11 rings is unattainable. Kobe has jumped thru all hoops won gold medals championship ring and developed the fadaway over each shoulder. He has followed mike but at this point he does have a very good chance of passing him. @homie your wife that calls him the bastard, there a good chance that if she were single and kobe rolled on her she might not say the same thing.

  • RedRum Posted: Jun.3 at 8:31 am
    Bryan, I never said that Kobe was a complimentary player in the way Horry was… I said he was Pipen to Shaq. 1A and 1B are good definitions. Lets work on that. MJ was 1A in all his career. He won 6 rings as 1A. Kobe won 3 rings as 1B and one ring as 1A. My argument is that until he wins 6 as 1A he cannot be compared directly to Jordan. I think this is pretty fair. Simmons has writen an article with which I completely agree. Kobe has two peers. Shaq and Duncan. At this point Duncan is ahead. He has won 4 rings as 1A. Some would argue that Shaq is ahead, he has won 3 rings as 1A and one as 1B. If Kobe wins this series, things start to change. I believe he needs a 3-peat to surpass Duncan, or even if he performs greatly in the current Finals, it should be enough. As for the Kobe/LBJ argument, it is not even close.. Kobe is better. He is hands down the best player in the league. But this was not the case until a 3-4 years ago. Duncan was the best player in the league. I will agree that given Lebron’s athletic ability and understanding of the game, he is two years away from becoming the best player in the league. He needs a summer to work on his mid-range, and another summer to work on his post game. Once he adds those to his game, he is unstoppable and will be better than Kobe ever was. But the last 7 years, since Lebron entered the league, Kobe is on top of Lebron (but both below Duncan) I actually project Durant ahead of Lebron, due to Durant’s ridiculous physique (7-6 wing span, are you kidding me) and Jordan-esque mentality. He is actually more Jordan at 21 than Kobe was at the same age. Back to the point though. Kobe is not no2 all time, at least not NOW. He seems to have the ability to be, if he wins a few more rings as 1A. Skill-wise, it is conceivable. I cannot see anyone else more skilled(maybe Durant), and unless some “once in every 50 years” talent enters the league the next 5 years, or a super-team is built around Lebron (e.g., Lebron, Bosh, Joe Johnson, Boozer), Kobe will be in his prime for the next 6 years, in which he has the opportunity to reach and surpass MJ. But RIGHT NOW, he is not even the 2nd best guard ever (Magic and possibly Oscar Robertson are ahead).

  • davidR Posted: Jun.3 at 9:23 am
    bryan craw, i’m just asking: why do you have kobe #2, behind jordan but ahead of magic, bird, russell, wilt, big O, kareem, and any other old legend? you never really mentioned why, other than that kobe could do what he does in any era (which i dont think is really a valid point considering all the variables that go into place when you go from era to era). kobe is top 10 for sure. top 5 maaaybe. but #2? i’m curious.

  • Kap Posted: Jun.3 at 9:32 am
    Well, Jerry West said on a radio broadcast this morning,”Kobe is the greatest Laker of all time.” If the logo says it then its official.

  • Kap Posted: Jun.3 at 9:34 am
    If Lebron even wins one title than people are going to begin to say he’s better than Michael. Damn, everyone on ESPN will be saying that.

  • Red Posted: Jun.3 at 9:50 am
    Kap, the Logo says that because he has beef with Magic.. come on.. have you seen Magic play?

  • Dre Posted: Jun.3 at 9:59 am
    Looks like your basketball knowledge needs to be questioned. Let me correct you my friend since you threw a little jab at me. I didn’t say Kobe looked like a deer in the headlights in the playoffs. I said he looked like a deer in the headlights in the finals. This is where he avg 25.6 pts a game and shot a pathetic percentage. That is deer in the headlights… believe it. Say what you want about Barkley, he may not be the most articulate brother, but he is a top 50 player who knows basketball… I’m sure he knows more than you. Jerry West goes with out saying. The point is, it is totally illogical to say that because someone plays on a better team makes them a better player. It’s emotion driven, babble. No one can do the things that Lebron does on the court. The fact that he can have so many triple doubles with a bunch of people who are not proven scorers goes to up his ability that much more. I know ball, I’ve played ball on a few levels. I analyze the whole player… not just use emotions and hood talk to make a point. Kobe is fantastic. But the best player in the world is the one making this the biggest free agency story in NBA history.

  • KB8 Posted: Jun.3 at 10:07 am
    My goodness, Hater-aide must taste good for all these folk to be drinking some much of it. Only problem with Hater-aide is that it unsettles the stomach and makes you spew up rubbish. I grew up watching MJ, so I can safely say that there will be no one greater than him. That said, he’s not playing anymore, and towards the end there, he became a shadow of his former self (which in itself isn’t an insult, remember he’s MJ). Now we have Kobe, and everyone is letting allegations and their love for the GOAT (MJ let’s keep it real) get in the way of seeing that. He’s learned to be a leader, he’s won 4 titles and, like it or not, he’s Bad like Shaft when it comes to his game. I’m not a fan of “stat stuffing” so will forego the time consuming effort of pointing out the areas he excels in. But one thing I will point out is that he isn’t afraid to put it on the line, and lose. That to me counts for a lot. It shows a dedication and love for the game that most of us wish we had. You all mentioned the 39 point loss in ’08, but after the loss did he run from it? Hell-to-the-Naw. He came back and did his thing (without the Big Mid-life crisis). We all saw Lebron crumble this year (Don’t lie, he did) and I hope no ones forgotten what a bad sportsman he was last year, walking out after Orlando put the moves on him. That is not what the greats do. Now he’s holding the League to ransom it seems, over where he’ll be next season. Who cares at this point. All he’s going to bring to your team is DRAMA. Who needs that? Nobody who wants a banner, that’s who. Kobe is the greatest we’ve seen in a while, and like it or not he’s got a few more years left in him. At the end of it all if you still feel the need to quench your thirst on Hater-aide, then fine. But you’re going to be drinking alone my misguided friends. And that’s pretty sad. GO LAKERS!! p.s
    @Bryan Crawford, great article. I too went through a “Kobe sucks” phase, only to have him turn me 180 with his actions on the court. Keep it up.

  • KB8 Posted: Jun.3 at 10:15 am
    Another thing. If rings are the way we judge “greatness” then Russel has this no? He’s got one for every finger, then when you’re done counting..BAM!! one on a chain round his neck! But that’s not how we do it.

  • Kap Posted: Jun.3 at 10:22 am
    @ Dre. Actually Kobe can do the most things one the court. Lebron is the most gifted bball player but not the most skilled and the best player. Im sure you know that since you played on so many levels. Lebron is surrounded by shooters unlike Kobe, that explains that high number of assists plus he is a natural point guard. Kobe is superior in the post, better footwork, better jumper, better free throw shooter, more clutch, better one on one defender, and a better winner. You might wanna look past dunks and stats before we begin trying to argue.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.3 at 10:25 am
    redrum, that is some great points that you made and you gave reason for your point. I feel that Lebron is slightly better because of a few points and when I say better I mean by a hair. First Lebron is a physical beast which you have to incorporate into the conversation. There is no Lebron is a better athlete and use it as a side note. His very size and athletic ability would revolutionize basketball. He is 6’8 or 6’9 260lbs, he can handle the ball like any PG, he can play defense, his perimeter shooting has gone to a new level. When he drives to the basket forget it, he can rebound with the best. His rebounding is better than Kobe, Kobe’s mid range and long distance is better. Lebron get’s to the basket better. His court vision and passing is much more superior. People want to talk about Kobe is the better passer but there was a survey done that says Lebron leads the league in game time closing. That just doesn’t include last second shots, it included being either down by 5 up by 5 or tied in the 4th quarter and the player who brings his team home for the victory. NBA clutch stats… http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

  • Kap Posted: Jun.3 at 10:26 am
    So Mo Williams, Antawn Jamison, Delonte West, Ilgauskas, and Boobie are not proven. Boobie was the reason the beat the Pistons in game 6 to go to the finals and three of the other guys are all stars. LO was never a proven scorer, neither was Bynum. Everyone said the Cavs had the best team all year and LB finally has players to play with but when they lose ever flip flops like a fish out of water.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.3 at 10:32 am
    Yep, I have played on a lot of levels, from city league as a kid, to college, to Greece,Isreal and USBL. Lebron does not have that many scorers on his team. Delonte is not considered one of the league best, neither is A. Parker, Mo is the most consistent. He had Shaq, Anderson, and big Z for part of the year. That is not a recipe for triple doubles my friend. Yeah since, I have played on so many levels I can see that. Kobe has shooters and scorers on his team… a huge difference.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.3 at 10:36 am
    Boobie hasn’t done anything since then… does one blip make him a proven player. Z is on his last leg and so is the man of steel. Look at the Lakers team you would be a freaking idiot to even compare their supporting cast. The fact that the Cavs did what they were able to do proves what he did with a team full of role players. Lamar Odom off the bench… come on now Ron Artest, Gasol. Don’t do this to yourself.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.3 at 10:51 am
    Big Z averaged 7.4 pts this year and missed a lot of games as a FA. A. Parker was a decent shooter but he didn’t shoot much he only averaged 7.3 pts a game. Delonte West shot 31% from 3 pts line and averaged 8.7 pts a game. Those aren’t great from those guys.

  • notorious_NG Posted: Jun.3 at 11:51 am
    hahahahahaha sorry but just an idiot can say that…how can this guy write for SLAM

  • David2424 Posted: Jun.3 at 11:52 am
    You are right Bryan, great article!
    If Kobe wins 7 in his career, he’s there…but what stand oust to me is how much he needed to do to gain respect unlike lebron who was overrated from the very beggining and Jordan, who was already known as great since rookie season.. Kobe needed to work hard and i tell u one thing…if kobe would get same respect, amount of time like james did all over his rookie season, he would be ROY!!

  • Red Posted: Jun.3 at 12:24 pm
    Dre! what team did you play for in Greece??

  • Red Posted: Jun.3 at 12:26 pm
    As I said earlier, the cannot be any discussion about Kobe being to MJ level, until he wins 5-6 more as 1A, not as 1B. Those first three rings are Shaq’s

  • Bryan Posted: Jun.3 at 12:37 pm
    was it sthaq that closed out Indiana ? oh no he was in foul trouble.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.3 at 1:56 pm
    Hey Red, I played for Panathinaikos

  • Joe Posted: Jun.3 at 3:40 pm
    Kobe’s greatness is not up for debate, he simply IS. Where any player ranks all-time is almost entirely subjective. To those who try to list why X is better than Y on your all time list, STOP. It’s impossible, and it’s unnecessary. There are so many factors in why X’s (blank) was more important, impressive, improbable, incredible, and incomparable to Y’s. Staying in the modern era let me ask this, is Steve Nash better than Kobe? He has more MVP’s. Is Robert Horry better? More rings. Is A.I. or T-Mac? A.I. has 3 scoring titles, and T-Mac is tied with KB at 2. Is Paul Pierce Kobe’s equal (at anything other than being easy to hate)? Pierce has the same number of finals MVP’s. Were M.J. & Kobe ever turned away from establishments because they were black? Kareem, Wilt, Russell, and The Big O were. How important was it that they handled themselves with such composed manners, grace, and humility, for future generations both on and off the court? All of these factors matter about as much as they don’t. In my opinion this is a black thing that (and no offense to brothers of all colors but) only other black brothers will probably get it. Kobe is the Foreman to Shaq/’brons Ali. He has done nothing to deserve the levels of disdain he has endured, yet it is entirely real nevertheless. He doesn’t rap, he doesn’t dance, he’s eloquent and speaks three or four languages, dresses differently, is well traveled and worldly, grew up with money, and married a non-black woman. That’s a how-to guide on disconnecting with the people in the hood. And yet, none of those are anything to be ashamed of. The bigger question is why must all brothers be the same in order to be a brother? And that answer has nothing to do with basketball. P.S. Go Lakers.

  • Red Posted: Jun.3 at 7:06 pm
    Dre! what?? I would surely know you then, heck almost everyone would know you, Panathinaikos only go big names! Is Dre related to your real name? I am an Aris supporter, Greek, living in the UK now.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.3 at 8:06 pm
    Oh really, do you really know how old I am… if you are a true supporter and have been for years then you should know me. If you want to know who I am check the e-mail and I will tell you who I am. I will give u my info. I love to rap with a fan.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.3 at 8:09 pm
    Hey man, I would love to rap to u… that is cool as hell man. However, I am 36 years old and played for them at 24. If u want the e-mail address let me know or look up on the previous post… damn that’s cool.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.3 at 8:18 pm
    Joe, I absolutely love that post. However, I only slightly disagree about Kobe on a point you made. Yes, Kobe has done some things to make himself not disliked. Magic tried to give him advise earlier on and he basically laughed in his face. He is said by several players to be a cancer in the locker room about how he talks to people. Phil Jackson is suppose to be the one who keeps the team harmonious. Before he got injured and got traded to the Lakers I remember Smush Parker saying that the problems with the Lakers begin and end with Kobe. When he got caught in Colorado with another woman, he tried to dime out Shaq and other people saying they did the same thing (that was pathetic). Then he said that he doesn’t know why the city of Philly hates him. He is a liar… it wasn’t just him saying he was going to rip the Philly fans heart out in the Finals. It was another comment, he was asked about being excited to come back to Philly to play in the Finals and he shrugged his shoulders before the first game and said, “not really I’m pretty much an LA boy now”. Then couldn’t understand why the city didn’t like him. That means he’s not too bright. He is not the best person in the world but he is a fabulous basketball player… he is one of the greatest of all time but he gives plenty of reasons for people not to like him.

  • Red Posted: Jun.3 at 8:32 pm
    Dre, your email is not on the post or on the link. let me know how I can contact you. Were you on the 1998 team that won the first championship in SEF?? I am 34 myself, so grew up with those teams.

  • RedRum Posted: Jun.3 at 8:39 pm
    I am also a coach myself, coaching (on my spare time, I am a lecturer) a university team here in England, it would be great to be in contact with you.

  • RedRum Posted: Jun.3 at 8:40 pm
    I meant I am a part-time coach, full time lecturer..

  • The Philosopher Posted: Jun.3 at 10:52 pm
    SLAM, see? It’s just the greatest. Undeniable. Undisputed. The Philosopher is SLAM’s biggest fan. PERIOD.

  • Joe Posted: Jun.4 at 12:54 am
    Dre- I love that you loved my post. I have made a pact with myself to never post in any forum, because it ALWAYS leads to flame wars. But I had to speak my mind on KB and the GOAT argument because I love basketball THAT much. My only retort is I never said anything about KB doing anything to be not disliked, actually I said KB is easy to hate. So thanks again, but please respond to my words, not any implication you derive from them.

  • davidR Posted: Jun.4 at 8:26 am
    joe, your post was great. it was everything bryan craw SHOULD’VE said in these comments

  • Dre Posted: Jun.4 at 8:39 am
    Joe, this is the comment I spoke about, “He has done nothing to deserve the levels of disdain he has endured, yet it is entirely real nevertheless”. I commented on why he might possibly deserve that disdain. I don’t think that was a wrong implication. By the way Kobe did come out with a terrible rap song a few years ago. None of what you named was anything to be ashamed of, however I posted things that he should be ashamed of and why he has this disdain.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.4 at 8:41 am
    Red, hit me at the_wb91@hotmail.com

  • Dre Posted: Jun.4 at 8:45 am
    Hey Red, you can contact me at the_wb91@hotmail.com

  • Dre Posted: Jun.4 at 8:46 am
    Sorry for the duplicate, it wouldn’t show my post at first. Hey redrum, if that post is for me sure, I would love to hear from you.

  • Joe Posted: Jun.4 at 2:09 pm
    Dre- My apologies for the misunderstanding. I simply believe that anyone who HATES KB, is mentally unstable. Real hatred should be reserved for those who earn it. Like Bin Laden, or Hitler, or those responsible for the genocides in Darfur and Rwanda. Or even Leonard Little, how many of these people who hate KB hate Little? How many even know who he is? Yet he is a far more hate-able guy than KB will ever be. They hate KB because he’s too good, but they must justify it with second hand stories and articles from people who are paid to sell them a story. There are people who should be hated for real and those to be hated in jest. The problem for celebrities is some of us don’t know where that line is drawn.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.4 at 2:33 pm
    I personally don’t hate Kobe, do I think he’s a good person… from what I understand probably not. I for one know that everything you read in the media might not be the truth but it also doesn’t mean that it is a lie either. I don’t believe in hating because it takes up too much energy. However, the statement he made in the finals I saw him and heard him make the statement so, that I something I observed first hand. The stuff about Shaq and other ball players were quoted and I haven’t heard about a law suit so I will assume that there is some truth to them. I think Kobe is beyong fantastic as a ball player but it doesn’t mean he is a good guy and if people don’t find him to be a good guy that is their perogative. I agree hate is a bit much and overboard but he has given people reason not to like him. Who knows bro… maybe those people do hate him in jest. If so they are probably not going to specify that it is in jest. I will just hope that this is what they mean.

  • RedRum Posted: Jun.4 at 4:50 pm
    Dre, thanks my man, check your email (Red and RedRum is me). I actually love Kobe, his work ethic sets the standard for players that want to be great. I think along Shaq and Duncan he has been the best player the last 10 years, certainly the best backcourt player. He is probably top 10 ever. He has the mindset and skill to be the best ever, I truly believe that. But he STILL has a lot to prove until he gets there. My objection with Bryan and everyone else who put him in the GOAT discussion, is that you act more like cheerleading fanboys than impartial basketball fans.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.4 at 5:33 pm
    Redrum, cheerleading fanboys? So you would’ve preferred I said, “Kobe is good, but…”? Sorry, my bad.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.4 at 5:43 pm
    After thinking about it, Redrum, how about this… Removing all of the past greats, including MJ, can we agree that in the current era of the NBA, Kobe Bryant is the best of all time? Or is that still giving him way too much credit?

  • Dre Posted: Jun.4 at 6:44 pm
    Wow, Red cheerleading fanboy… Greece goes hard huh? Man, I’m going to like rapping with you… I can’t wait to pick your brain on b-ball. Kobe’s work ethic is on another level. I would put it up there with MJ’s and Jerry Rice’s. That is what makes him so great. I would even say he is the reason that Lebron’s game has gone to another level. Lebron said he knew working out was important but didn’t take that serious until him and Kobe got closer during the Olympics. Kobe really showed him how to take his workout and diet to another level.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.4 at 6:45 pm
    Hey B, what criteria should be used to determine the games greatest player?

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  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.4 at 7:33 pm
    Dre, being that you’re the “expert” here based on your basketball pedigree, maybe I should be asking you that. I mean, what do I know? After all, I’m just a “cheerleading fanboy”, a terrible writer, and an embarrassment to SLAM. But are you referring to my last comment, meaning the games greatest player in the current era of the NBA?

  • Dre Posted: Jun.4 at 11:58 pm
    Seeing that you are suppose to be writing a column for a great basketball magazine and you are getting all emotional offended, talking smart and crap that is why I was asking you. I never said I was an expert, I never called you a cheerleading fanboy, I never called you a terrible writer and never called you an embarrassment to SLAM. I’ve always enjoyed your articles, they make good conversation pieces. I don’t think you should get so upset about it. If people don’t agree with you there is not need to degrade or devalue their opinion and vice versa.

  • The Philosopher Posted: Jun.5 at 5:37 pm
    @Bryan Crawford: Call ME what you want, but why are you going after the wrong dude?

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.5 at 6:42 pm
    @Dre…no disrespect to you, but I was being serious. You see, I’ve played ball and still play. My thing is, it’s hard to “truly” understand this game if you’ve never played it. That doesn’t mean you have to have competed at the pro level like you say that you have, but there is certain insight that one has about the game and the evaluation of players that only comes from participation and spending time around the game. That said, certain readers/commenters like to challenge my knowledge of the basketball so I do the same in return. I engage in a way that may seem offensive & condescending, but it’s really just me having fun with you guys. My sensitivity is feigned, trust me. I could truly care less what someone who I don’t consider to be a “peer” thinks about me or my work. That’s no different than a professional athlete’s attitude when he’s being criticized by someone who has never played the game. But there are some commenters who really think they know this game better than those of us who write about it professionally and by telling them in so many words that they have no clue, I find it enjoyable to watch them try (and oftentimes fail) to prove their knowledge. Some exhibit a high “basketball IQ” and I respect those guys, while others just ramble and like to argue while exhibiting how truly clueless they are in the process.

  • Dre Posted: Jun.6 at 11:20 am
    I feel you B, I agree with a lot of what you say. I played oversees and in the small leagues in the US. I consider myself and student of the game and I coach now. I really enjoy coaching and I have always considered myself a student of the game. I would still be playing myself bro but I am going to need knee replacement surgery on the left knee so that is wrap for me man. Like I said, I have always enjoyed your articles. I do feel for the most part if you played in the NBA especially long careers you have to know something about the game to last. I think Barkley gets a bad rap because he isn’t the best speaker but I find it impossible to be a top 50 player and not have a good knowledge of the game. However, I share your sentiments about how a lot of NBA athletes feel like they are the only ones that can know and understand the game.

  • Sherron Shabazz Posted: Jun.6 at 11:26 am
    Great read! He still has some things to do to pass MJ though: http://www.examiner.com/x-1192-NBA-Examiner~y2010m5d31-Is-Kobe-Bryant-better-than-Michael-Jordan

  • kendall Posted: Jun.21 at 9:57 am
    Why I hate Kobe. 1) After winning 3 back to back titles in commented that he hated the triangle and 3 office which happen to win jordan 6 titles. 2) the whole beef with shaq the finals 3 time mvp that got kobe 3 of his rings. 3) The disdain he displayed to being compared to Michael Jordan early in kobes career. 4) His recent comments that he now has more rings than shaq. Shaq buried tha hatchet years ago and proved to be the bigger person. 5) and dont forget after he was caught in his own infidelities he threw shaq under the bus for his. Hmmm I wonder who the real hater is.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.21 at 10:45 pm
    Yo, Kendall…I don’t know what the “triangle and 3 office” is, but I do know that the triangle is an OFFENSE and the triangle-and-2 is a DEFENSE. How can you make an argument when you don’t even know simple basketball stuff? SMH…

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