Kobe Bryant: ‘I Just Got One More Than Shaq’

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• Jas Posted: Jun.18 at 9:09 am
  That comment shows what an ass Kobe is.

• breaker400 Posted: Jun.18 at 9:13 am
  Shaq how my a$$ taste!

• J Posted: Jun.18 at 9:13 am
  from one rivalry to another.. lets get it on!

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 9:14 am
  I was surprised by this response. But after Shaq went up 4-3 in rings and rapped the infamous “how my ass taste” line, I think it’s fair. It also is an honest comment that indirectly replies to all the haters who said he’d never win one without the Diesel and now he has two.

• Bryan Crawford Posted: Jun.18 at 9:15 am
  Word. One for the thumb.

• K.a. Posted: Jun.18 at 9:24 am
  I actually thought it was cool. That makes him more human than faking like it meant nuthin. Chk out espn interview with the chick. Kobe goes, i got one more than shaq, ha kidding, no im not, smiling ear to ear. I lold.

• underdog Posted: Jun.18 at 9:25 am
  I’m glad he said that.

• Cheryl Posted: Jun.18 at 9:28 am
  Yes, Kobe, yes you did.

• T-Money Posted: Jun.18 at 9:29 am
  I think this can be justified considering their history. Only one thing for Kobe fans: if you’re okay with him going in on Shaq right now (while Shaq praised him before AND after the game), don’t ever bring up how other stars are conceited or arrogant. Can’t have it both ways.

• r. wal. Posted: Jun.18 at 9:32 am
  He and shaq are both asses. but honestly, can you blame kobe saying that?

• James the Balla Posted: Jun.18 at 9:34 am
  Awwww T-Money … you okay buddy? A little sour? I forgot, Kobe is under a microscope. he can’t be happy and a little bit arrogant. I love it!!!

• Josh Posted: Jun.18 at 9:41 am
  Funny that when Shaq asks Kobe how his ass tastes it is hilarious but when Kobe says he is happy to have more chips than Shaq it shows that he is an ass. Honestly I think you have to be an ass to be that great. Jordan was the biggest dick ever.

• Daro Posted: Jun.18 at 9:42 am
  I’m not sure the first three count for Kobe though because Shaq was the man on that team, Kobe was just a piggyback tangling along. Kobe’s game is too selfish and he doesn’t make his teammates around him better and that’s what sets him apart from the all-time greats. That’s why even LeBron is better than Kobe even at this point in his career because LeBron makes his teammates into All-stars even though they aren’t. Kobe is a good one-on-one street baller, that has nothing to do with NBA team basketball. It took an insider job (stern) to get Gasol into a Laker uniform and bring the NBA trophy back to LA and into Kobe’s hands. Without it Kobe would still dream about holding the trophy again after Shaq left.

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 9:45 am
  @James….: our Kobe was terrible tonight, his legacy was actually (slightly) hurt today and this while the Lakers beat the Celtics in a game 7 of the NBA finals((!!!!!)…just think about it, it’s really tough to achieve such a thing and Kobe just did it. Unfortunatelly it is not a positive achievment. He is the best in the world in the moment but this is the SECOND time he is terrible in the closing game of the finals while he is the number 1 opion of his team and faces a tough opponent (Orlando was nowhere near). I don’t get how people can put him in the same level with MAGIC/BIRD and ,of course, from now on any MJ comparison is officially laughable and apropriate only for kids that never saw M.J play (which are quite a lot in this forum, by the way).

• T-Money Posted: Jun.18 at 9:52 am
  James: Re-read. He was entitled to throw shots at Shaq because Shaq striked first.

• James the Balla Posted: Jun.18 at 9:56 am
  lol PAP, you’re awesome and Kobe sucks. His legacy definitely took a hit last night. very true.

• ai come back Posted: Jun.18 at 10:01 am
  pau gasol anyone………?

• Roy Posted: Jun.18 at 10:01 am
  Co-sign Papaloukas.

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 10:02 am
  @Papaloukas: Terrible is a huge overstatement, yea his shooting was bad but his rebounding and D was Key. Sometimes greats have other ways to win. I’m not too worried about comparisons to other greats. But to say the comparison is laughable when Kobe is only 31 is a bit harsh IMO. And, as far as Bird…he has two more rings so you may hear a lot that Bird isn’t on the same level as Mamba.
  @T-Money: glad you recognized that Shaq struck first, although Kobe is more entitled than any other current players due to his jewelry.

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 10:05 am
  @ai The Spaniard was great. He is going down in Laker lore for sure. Two titles (and counting), ASG appearences, All-NBA team appearences and a ROY. He is putting together a HOF/#16 retired type career.

• James the Balla Posted: Jun.18 at 10:06 am
  First time in history someone wins a ship, and is hated so much that he sucks even more because he won!!

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 10:13 am
  @James….:kobe doesn’t “sucks” (don’t know if you believe it, i never did) he was just really bad last night. This was a slight setback for his legacy, we like it or not.I don’t like it but i had the first reality check in 2008 (he ain’t M.J = ALWAYS coming big in biggest games) so i was prepeared for anything tonight.

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 10:15 am
  @James……: “critisism” and “hate” are to completely different words in my vocabulary.

• Aaron Posted: Jun.18 at 10:15 am
  Homer quote of the post-season:
  “Kobe was terrible tonight, his legacy was actually (slightly) hurt today…” – PAPALOUKAS (After Kobe & and his team become repeat champions)

• Lombu Posted: Jun.18 at 10:20 am
  Co-sign Papaloukas. First of all I will congratulate kobe, and the rest. But like the man above said (I supose he’s male gender) kobe is a pour mans MJ, and no more. field goal percentage is awfull..

• Beavis Posted: Jun.18 at 10:21 am
  Kobe Bryant smack talk is like having sex with him…you can kick and scream all you want, but its gonna happen

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 10:22 am
  GREAT !!! I’m officially a KOBE hater !!!! (Homer once said: Never complicate kids’ mind…it’s either black or white.)

• gc Posted: Jun.18 at 10:26 am
  shaq does this to dwight all the time just getting a taste of his own medicine

• Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: Jun.18 at 10:31 am
  All the HATER, just SHUT UP, and take a rest for a day why don’t cha??? They’re the team that won the champion today, C’mon!!! don’t hate the player, hate the game …

• arjae Posted: Jun.18 at 10:33 am
  Not a Kobe hater but be clear, He still hasn’t won one on his own. He has this guy named Gasol. Haven’t missed the finals since he got there, and they won’t. Gasol was the real finals mvp. Kobe’s best games came in losses, where they do that at? Now, Shaq hasn’t done it on his own either. He had this guy named Kobe, and then this guy named D-Wade (2 best perimeter players in the league). Always fun to sit and think what might have been. But neither can get one up on the other,few more seasons like this and Gasol will be a hall of famer, same for dwade so they’re not exactly one man teams.

• Riot_Wyatt Posted: Jun.18 at 10:33 am
  Kobe’s no Killer…I thought he was but he’s not…MJ was murder suspect #1..I watched Kobe settle for more jumpshots than ever..while Ray allen was having the same bad game but he at least tried to get to the bucket…Kobe’s no killer..Congrats though…but his spot in the all-time greats made little forward progress

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 10:34 am
  @Lombu and the rest…: being worse than M.J doesn’t make you a common player…i thought this was easy to understand but ,as i already said, for some you’re either the best or you are nothing. Strange….The funniest thing is that KOBE HIMSELF said that he sucked today (at Brent Barry ,go and check it)!!!! my suspisions that many of you post without watching the games and what the players himself say, are proving once again true…. Anyway, enough with this, Kobe’s performance today was suitable with the importance/difficulty of the game and once again (last game from 2008 was the other time) had a great game like M.J always had in such situations . And they all lived happy everafter…..!!!!

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 10:35 am
  @Papaloukas: MJ did always come up big in big games, in the finals, but he also missed the finals altogther 9 times (6/13 with CHI and 0/2 with Was). So don’t act like he was clutch to the point that he never failed.

• giogolo Posted: Jun.18 at 10:40 am
  Where is Allen P. and Jukai?
  @Papa
  Better read the Pau gasol comments. There was some great arguement going that went on the MJ-KObe comparisons.

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 10:43 am
  @jumpman3224….: and he missed 156565fg’s in his career, lost 532 games, etc like the commercial said.!!! I hope you were joking and you weren’t using as an argument the fact that he didn’t ALWAYS make the finals (not Russell, not anybody achieved something like this, i am sure/hope this was a joke…).

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 10:43 am
  @jumpman3224….: and he missed 156565fg’s in his career, lost 532 games, etc like the commercial said.!!! I hope you were joking and you weren’t using as an argument the fact that he didn’t ALWAYS make the finals (not Russell, not anybody achieved something like this, i am sure/hope this was a joke…).

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 10:46 am
  @gigolo…:they are still trying to figure out what went wrong with Lebron again !!!! (Eboy is leading the research!!!)

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 10:49 am
  @Papaloukas: I was being a bit jovial, but I think that Jordan is often remembered as this flawless player (esp. in KB24 debates). The commercial you referenced is perfect. I was trying to (albeit possibly ineffectively) to illustrate that yes Kobe did have a bad game seven and has lost two titles, but all playoff games are big games and Jordan did not always come out on the winning end. Don’t get me wrong Jordan is the GOAT and I’m not ready to take that away from him.

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 10:50 am
  ^^^didn’t always come out on the winning end (as no one did, you are correct).

• Meloman2.0 Posted: Jun.18 at 10:52 am
  You know you have no life when the team u root for night and day wins the title and you spend the day and night bragging to your online friends (because u don’t have friends in real life)

• vtrobot Posted: Jun.18 at 10:56 am
  for a rapist, dude’s not a bad guy. congrats, we’re all so happy for you!

• LAKERZ 4 LIFE Posted: Jun.18 at 10:58 am
  i told you thatthe lakerz were going to win

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 11:00 am
  @Meloman…..: don’t worry, as Fyodor said at the last line of “the player”: ‘tomorrow, tomorrow everything will change!!!’ (make it this “next year” for leronze’s case…)

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 11:02 am
  @lakerz for….: would be strange if you had said something else!!!

• AndTheJellosJigglin Posted: Jun.18 at 11:03 am
  That was payback for Shaq (c)rappin about Kobe in 2008 (year?) I think the Lakers made the right move in keeping Kobe over Shaq-HA! Ya think?

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 11:03 am
  Also, in terms of MJ/Kobe debate where Kobe having a bad shooting game in a win tarnishes his chances of catching and legacy…MJ shot 26% from the field in the clinching game against Seattle in 1996. Again, I’m not trying to say MJ is not the GOAT. But, please don’t act like Kobe’s poor shooting in game 7 will hurt his own legacy in any way.

• BETCATS Posted: Jun.18 at 11:03 am
  V for Vendetta.

• J Posted: Jun.18 at 11:06 am
  mj > kobe, and also i agree to spanny that bryant had a bad game tonight. but although strugling shooting, after this series, it put me on a perspective that, kobe may be the best laker ever,.. urggh.. alright may be close to magic.. thats tough,

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 11:11 am
  @jumpman3224….:i saw that series, all the games,(one of the last times to do so), the series was over after game three (3-0), then the bulls got bored (i think they were 14-0 at the point after 72 wins in the regular), everybody was waiting to see if it would have been game 4 or 5 or 6. It doesn’t count, all three games(4,5,6) had no comparison with yesterday’s or the 2008 one….thinking about it, 3 of 6 M.J’s finals were actually somewhat boring. Eevrybody knew it would be the bulls one way or another….

• MikeC. Posted: Jun.18 at 11:19 am
  I think Magic summed it up best last night when he was asked about where Kobe stands amongst the greats. I’m paraphrasing here, but Magic said something along the lines of: Kobe is the most talented and technically skilled player in the world, and in many fundamental aspects of the game, is equal to, or better than anyone else who has ever played. Magic rates himself, Bird and Jordan on a level above because of the overall impact they had on the league and the game. The NBA was in danger of folding until Magic and Bird revitalized it. MJ took the game global and showed a generation of stars how to market themselves and become obscenely rich. Jordan’s popularity made it possible for players to make $20 million/year. I can agree that Kobe is the most talented and accomplished player in the world, but his impact on the game is nothing compared to Magic, Bird and Jordan.

• MikeC. Posted: Jun.18 at 11:21 am
  ^ clarification required: Kobe is the most talented and accomplished player in the world who is still playing.

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 11:23 am
  @Papaloukas: You literally said “M.J = ALWAYS coming big in biggest games.” So, yeah it counts. This illustrates my point that he is remembered as flawless. MJ is the greatest, no doubt. But, everyone’s is entitled to a 25% game if it is on the way to multiple titles.

• The Seed Posted: Jun.18 at 11:25 am
  PAPALOUKAS AND OTHERS
  Micheal Jordan he can’t be touch missed 20 shots in his last NBA Finals game. I am tried of the newbies up here whot didn’t watch basketball back then. MJ had horrible nights and Pippen and other kept him in game so he could be the closer like Kobe. Yall Kobe is equal to MJ, Kobe can do everything MJ can do. I watched MJ growing up and Kobe has a better jumpshot than MJ. The rest is a wash, because it depends on who is playing defense on you, in what you do. MJ wasn’t always clutch as everyone makes out to be, he has alot of horrible games too. Its just there was no one for MJ to be compare too. KObe has someone to be compared too MJ.

• Yesse Posted: Jun.18 at 11:26 am
  Ohh come on now. Do we have to go through this Kobe and Shaq situation every time when Lakers get in to the finals?

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 11:29 am
  @MikeC (or Magic)…..:exactly. That doesn’t necessarily make him the guy right behinf tohse 3 ones in my list but he is deffinetely top-8…

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 11:33 am
  @seed….:and now that kobe had also others(gasol,artest) to keep him in as you said for MJ, he closed it as M.J. used to do(as you also wrote) !!!!!

• K.a. Posted: Jun.18 at 11:34 am
  LOld hard at beavis 10.21, that was cold

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.18 at 11:34 am
  To the masses: It doesn’t matter what percentage Bryant shot last night. Both teams shot less than great percentages as a whole. It was a tough, tough game and series, and Kobe handled his business. He did what he is supposed to do as one of the greats in NBA history. He led his team to the championship. A surefire first ballot Hall of Famer, the second best 2 guard ever… Top 25 – 20 all time. Period.

• KaponoE Posted: Jun.18 at 11:37 am
  For real? That’s what people are falling back on? “Kobe’s first three don’t count cause he wasn’t the man”? Did you watch the 3-peat? Kobe played a HUGE roll on those teams. Do you not remember when Shaq famously declared “Kobe’s the best basketball player on the planet” after the ’01 San Antonio series? It’s not like he got his rings like Adam Morrison riding the pine. He made Shaq’s life easy. As a matter of fact when has Shaq ever been good without an All-Star perimeter player i.e. Penny, Kobe, D-Wade? Shaq sure wasn’t winning chips with Eddie Jones and Nick Van Excel.

• The Seed Posted: Jun.18 at 11:42 am
  The titles with Shaq go like this first title is all Shaq. next title 50/50 both and last title was equal for both guys. KObe saved the Lakers in series against Kings and Spurs were Shaq couldn’t do anything against the flopper Divac and Tim Duncan used to shut Shaq down. Kobe average 30 points each series. People just remember Shaq playing against the East team where shaq would dominate those little centers. The last Lakers title Kobe should have got MVP of Shaq in the Pacer series if you watch the games and how Kobe won one game by himself and couldn’t be stopped. Its cool now, Kobe got his shaq has less LOL

• Quit hatin Posted: Jun.18 at 11:55 am
  Shaq wont win any ships without kobe or wadeZ so whats d difference. He was the leader of the team but kobe was also a superstar. Kobe aint no MJ but they both had their sidekicks. Mj/pippen and the crew. Kobe/pau and the crew. Bulls wer a better team. And dont say thay kobe didnt make his teammates better. If he hadnt then d ship wudnt be there. Quit backin up lebron who got
  a bunch of free agency and trade players yet he didnt even get to the eastern finals. Five d man respect. He jus won the championship that your favorite players didnt!

• Quit hatin Posted: Jun.18 at 11:57 am
  By the way i agree, agree with other people who support cmkobes case bout makin it easy for shaq. I jus read a post bout hatin on kobe and he aint good like lebron and the others.

• bballrehab Posted: Jun.18 at 11:59 am
  Not to take anything from Kobe, but you gotta admit he has a s***load of talent around him: Artest, Gasol, Odom, Fisher, Bynum. Give half of that to LeBron (and no, a past their prime Shaq and Jamison doesn’t count) and he wins the title without breaking a sweat. So yeah, it amuses me when people dare compare him to the G.O.A.T. What did he do when Gasol wasn’t in town and Bynum was just a rookie? Nothing. I give Iverson (2001), Chuck (1993) and Jordan (1991) way more credit for taking their talentless teams to the Finals all by themselves.

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.18 at 12:02 pm
  ^Tim Duncan, too.^

• rey g Posted: Jun.18 at 12:03 pm
  boston up by 4 (60-64 was it?). kobe’s getting ready for three free throws after outsmarting allen. but kobe’s missed two frees already and been off from the field. i thought to myself “this is where the game will be decided. if he hits 3 for 3, he’ll show greatness and give confidence to his teammates”. rest is history…the game was so defense oriented. pressure packed. the stars were checked. allen had a miserable night-only one free throw missed the whole series and had to happen in the crucial moment of game 7. pierce got blocked. where was kevin g the last 4 minutes? only the greats can scrap in a game like that. they all did. too bad only one team can win. bottomline, kobe showed greatness but people were looking for brilliance.

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 12:05 pm
  did somebody mentioned Allen “kournikova of bball” Iverson in a champions discussion???!!!! Make my day!!!!!

• JTaylor21 Posted: Jun.18 at 12:05 pm
  What world did you live in paps that kobe has a better jumpshot than mike, come on. Mike has the greatest midrange jumper in nba history. Who must have been watching some one other than him. Also kobe is not equal to mike, get that out of your cranium. Mike avg. 34 ppg in the finals to kobe 25, won 6 finals out of 6 to kb 5 out of 7, 6 finals mvp to kb 2 (this last one should’ve been gasol but i digress), mike shot 50% FG or higher for many seasons while kb has never ever shot higher than 46%. So when kobe avg. 28ppg/41 FG% he is efficent but AI does they same while avg more assists his a inefficent ballhog. You can’t have it both ways kobe lovers. The man is one of the greatest but his not better than kareem, russel, magic, hakeem, oscar, west, or mike even ishiah.

• Bruno Posted: Jun.18 at 12:06 pm
  at least shaq deserved that one

• truthteller Posted: Jun.18 at 12:07 pm
  Everybody forgets that Kobe had 22 poins and 15 boards! everyone also forgets that MJ had a terrible shooting night in utah agains the jazz in game 6 in 97. How convenient.

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 12:08 pm
  @The Seed: Good Breakdown of the 3-peat. Shaq def had reap the benefits of having to go against todd maccullac (sp?) in 2002.
  @bballrehab: Until the Cavs crapped out all we heard was that they had the most talented team this season. Look up the Slam post when they traded for Jamison. Everyone was sizing them for rings at that point. Also, yea Kobe didn’t make it to the finals back in 05-06 but he did do super human things on the court, make 1st team all-nba and all of that. But, everyone needs talent around them to win, plain and simple.

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 12:09 pm
  by the way : BULLS 1991 team best jordan team ever!!!! (and those lakers the best team they ever faced in the final,second is the1993 suns. )

• MikeC. Posted: Jun.18 at 12:15 pm
  One thing that MJ had that no wing players playing today have, was hands the size of a city block. Dude’s hands are enormous, and the ball control he had helped him finish so many plays in traffic. Jordan had a killer mid-range and postup game later in his career. Kobe has more range on his jumper, and his high-post game took a huge leap this season. Kobe’s legs are starting to go as he’s aging, and we’ll see what ‘old man’ tricks he rolls out over the next couple seasons. If his mid and low-post games evolve like his perimeter game, and he can make his hands grow, then he’ll be completely complete.

• Daever Posted: Jun.18 at 12:16 pm
  kobe is grate in his own right and he is the closest one to mike but they are not equal I know people say individual awards don’t mater but there lying and Mj has to many to list and he played against a lot of players of the top 50 players list. Shaquille on that list kobe will be but as of right now he is not. But to all the hatters let the man have his own legacy.

• student not fan Posted: Jun.18 at 12:16 pm
  Kobe fans are a joke

• will Posted: Jun.18 at 12:18 pm
  Yeah, talentless team that had some bums named Pippen and Grant. Every championship team had talent, especially those 80′s Lakers and Celtics teams, but you dont hear people discount Magic and Bird because they had other Hall of Famers around them. And if i remember correctly, those teams Kobe had in between title years were straight garbage and he still made them respectable with a couple of playoff trips. Nobody’s done it on their own, so people need to jump off that.

• truthteller Posted: Jun.18 at 12:20 pm
  @bballrehab: Do you remember the showtime lakers of the 80′s? A team full of talent anda hall of fame coach who won 5 ‘chips. Yet, a lot people consider magic to be the greatest point guard of all time! How come Magic gets knocked for playing with hall of fame/all star players but Kobe gets knocked for playing with an all star and solid players? How fair is that?

• student not fan Posted: Jun.18 at 12:25 pm
  I am humiliated and embarrassed to be a resident of Los Angeles. The people here carry on as if Kobe is some sort of God. He never wanted to play inside out when Shaq was here and Shaq called him on it. He thought he could do it by himself and was repeatedly proven wrong. I have seen Kobe quit on us against Sacramento in Arco Arena when he refused to shoot and he later did the same thing against Phoenix. He has slept with minimum wage hotel clerks, snitched on Shaq, lied on Karl Malone about him trying to steal his wife,trashed bynum and mitch kupchak on video,demanded to be traded publicly, and ran off Shaq so that he could be the center of attention. How can he even be considered close to Magic when Magic was a walking triple double, who was a great leader,and a better teammate? Nothing Kobe does will equal Magic. I will not return as a Laker fan until #8 retires. He will always be #8 in my opinion because he changed to #24 and thought that would change the way people thought of him. It did not!

• Javy Posted: Jun.18 at 12:26 pm
  Think about it people, Kobe is like the boss you don’t like around the office but he makes the company revenue.
  He’s entitled to say that. Without him, there’s no championship.
  Yeah!!!I don’t like the person but I hell enjoy the player a lot!!
  and yes he didn’t shoot well but talk about rebounds and defense.
  If he makes that part of his daily work, sorry guys but I can now say he’s next to MJ.
  And trust me I have a painting of MJ on my wall!

• dino Posted: Jun.18 at 12:28 pm
  Adam Morrisson = 2 rings Lebron James = 0 rings

• Quit hatin Posted: Jun.18 at 12:31 pm
  Kobe is only second to mike. PERIOD. Buyt i just hate it when ppl say kobe has all this talent around him when everyone knows his teammates are like a cold.. They come and go! Mike had better supporting cast than kobes of today. Pippen.. Rodman.. And the other guys. BUT KOBE IS ONLY SECOND PERIOD! haha shaq deserves his ships but nobody shud deny that kobe also had to do with half of whay they got. Quit bringin up other players who dont have the rinfgs or the records iight

• Jackie Moon Posted: Jun.18 at 12:33 pm
  @Javy Kobe is nothing like this guy or that guy. He’s a dude who plays basketball. His teammates love playing with him, they get chips together.

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 12:39 pm
  dino…:and mike Smrek also!!!!(with the lakers in the early 80′s , played in greece late 80′s).

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 12:42 pm
  @student not fan: First of all, Magic himself said that Kobe could be the greatest laker when its all said and done. Let’s leave the personal stuff out of it. Magic has admitted that there was a room in the Forum that he used to have sex with random women after every game (as many as 7 at once). So it’s not like Magic had these wonderful morals that Kobe lacked. As far as being a player, I’m so sick of people saying Kobe quit in that PHX series. Yeah he only had three shots in the second half, but he and Phil said that going into the third quarter the game was to go to the post up players. He did that at first, then we he got aggressive he got called for charges, etc. He was didn’t even play the majority of that second half. As far as a leader and a teammate, he has grown up and matured. You have to respect that. As far as, Shaq…the Lakers brass had to pick one and they went with the younger Bryant. Everyone always says Kobe ran Shaq out of town, but it easily could have been the other way depending on who LA picked to move forward with. Personally, I agree with Kobe that Shaq had become lax in his effort and work ethic and I didn’t want a team built around that either. Can’t we just appriecate the greatness without finding reasons to diminish or hate?

• student not fan Posted: Jun.18 at 12:46 pm
  Pau Gasol has been with the Lakers for three years and they have been to the Finals every since. Gasol has complained throughout the year that the Lakers do not take advantage of their inside presence. That means…Kobe still doesnt want to throw the ball inside and even Pau has called him out for it. Kobe wants all the attention but the bottom line is that you still needed to go out and get a big man to win, so what was the point of you desperately trying to get Shaq out of here? The people of L.A. will always love Shaq more than Kobe. Shaq gave back to the community!! Kobe never even visited the community until he got in trouble with the law. He is kind of like O.J. Simpson in a sense because all of a sudden he wanted to be viewed as being apart of a community and sought support through his rough times. Ray Allen was like Nostradamos when he predicted what Kobe would do when Shaq left. Please google Ray Allens comments about Kobe Bryant when he was with the Sonics. Everything that Ray Allen said about him winning a scoring title and getting to shoot as much as he wanted to would all end up in failure and him crying to Jerry Buss to be traded because he could not do it alone. Check it out. He also stated that he would eventually beg for help.

• J Posted: Jun.18 at 12:46 pm
  At dino, reality isnt it?

• SLAM ONLINE | » Lakers May Have Won… Posted: Jun.18 at 12:54 pm
  [...] the age of 31 Bryant can finally claim that his title count is superior to his former sidekick, after [...]

• tina Posted: Jun.18 at 12:55 pm
  THANK YOU JACKIE MOON!!!It’s so tiring hearing about Kobe being like this or that, let the guy get his own dues.

• JoeMaMa Posted: Jun.18 at 12:55 pm
  I say this as a Raptors/Spurs fan who just enjoyed a 7 Games series. Kobe has won 5 championships. You needn’t know more. It’s tremendously pathetic that people are hating on a guy that just won his fifth championship, in a game 7. Screw comparisons, stats, x, y, and z. He just repeated. King of the hill. Let’s please stop the hate for one day…but if you must, hate away in the mirror.

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 12:55 pm
  @co-sign Jackie Moon. You are on point today!

• dino Posted: Jun.18 at 12:57 pm
  Relity is that TEAMS win championships not players.

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.18 at 1:01 pm
  Shout out @Jumpman3224.

• Vince5 Posted: Jun.18 at 1:05 pm
  OMG…that was his goal? I didn’t thought that he compared himself to Shaq this much. Still great performance, he deserves it, but he should thank Shaq for his 3 firsts rings because he was the man.

• All Day Posted: Jun.18 at 1:13 pm
  It’s funny seeing all these comments about how horrible Kobe was and how MJ won when it counted. Ladies and gentlemen, no one is going to remember the stats years from now. When history is written, the only thing that will be remembered is who won and who lost.

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 1:17 pm
  @philosopher: after alls said and done the Lakers prevail and what a game (unless you enjoy watching stellar offense). loved seeing Magic on the seen while the confetti was falling, he looked happy and I’m glad he is still involved with the team.

• tina Posted: Jun.18 at 1:19 pm
  Thank you Jackie Moon!!! Stop comparing Kobe, let him get his own dues. He’s still going to be one of the greats

• LAKERS24 Posted: Jun.18 at 1:20 pm
  PAPALOUKAS Did you know that the great Jordan missed 20 shots in his last championship vs. Utah ? Does that hurts his legacy at all ?

• All Day Posted: Jun.18 at 1:23 pm
  Congrats to the Lakeshow! Queensbridge Ron came up big in game 7.

• tina Posted: Jun.18 at 1:27 pm
  @student not fan, please don’t speak for the people of los angeles. Especially when all you are doing is spewing hate. I’m not sure if you heard Kobe’s interview after the game but he already said that he couldn’t have won without Gasol, so as selfish as he was he knew the importance of his teammate.

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.18 at 1:29 pm
  Co – sign Jumpman3224 @1:17 p.m. So, does that mean Magic has 10 RINGS?!?! The G.O.A.T!!! The G.O.A.T.!!! MAGIC JOHNSON!!!

• Jackie Moon Posted: Jun.18 at 1:31 pm
  Mitch Kupchak should get his due. That is one angle that has not gotten enough run. The moves he made, the patience he showed (not even talking about the Pau trade) were admirable. He improved a championship team.

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 1:33 pm
  Kobe can finally take Magic out to dinner!

• Lawrence Posted: Jun.18 at 1:38 pm
  KOBE NEVER FORGETS…so to all haters, he’ll always find a way to shot your mouths out!!!

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.18 at 1:40 pm
  Fact: When LBJ wins a regular season MVP, Kobe Bryant wins a championship and a Finals MVP 100% of the time.

• peter Posted: Jun.18 at 2:07 pm
  @student not fan…gasol was 0-12 in playoff games before he came to the lakers. that’s all.

• JD Posted: Jun.18 at 2:15 pm
  So Shaq tell me how my 5 rings taste!

• jbn74sb Posted: Jun.18 at 2:19 pm
  Kobe shot horrendously. No doubt. However, he still managed to score more than a quarter of the Lakers points, grabbed 15 rebounds, turned Rondo into a piece of sh-t, and tired out Ray Allen so bad that he shot 3-14. M-f-cking-V-f-cking-P.

• cp3fan Posted: Jun.18 at 2:37 pm
  Fact of the matter is that Shaq doesn’t have any rings if it wasn’t for Kobe and Dwyane Wade who won that last one against Dallas by himself for Shaq. Let’s not act like Kobe was just a role player on those Laker teams. Smarten up people. People don’t like Kobe, that’s why I knew that the hate would reign down heavy today. You don’t have to like him. Can’t take away those five rings. Magic said himself that Kobe deserves a statue. That’s coming from the greatest Laker of all time. LeBron doesn’t belong in the same sentence with Kobe. If he was so good and he made his teammates so good, he would have been playing last night. Period. He better start winning championships next season or he won’t be in the conversation with Kobe when his career is over.

• cp3fan Posted: Jun.18 at 2:40 pm
  And if you want to talk about being a good teammate, isn’t Michael Jordan the guy who punched Steve Kerr in practice???? I haven’t heard anything like that about Kobe. Just saying…And if you want to talk about egos, doesn’t LeBron walk around in King James t-shirts all the time and refers to himself as King James??? Every superstar player has an ego. If you think that LeBron is going to play with D-Wade, think again. His ego is big enough where he wants to be the main guy on the team. He’s not going to be Scottie Pippen to D-Wade’s Jordan. Never. That’s ego. Kobe has it. LeBron has it.

• cp3fan Posted: Jun.18 at 2:46 pm
  @ Papaloukas
  Allen Iverson compared to Anika Kournikova…seriously? Cut your fingers off. AI actually accomplished things in the league. Scoring titles, All-Star teams, Finals appearance where he won one game against a team that was supposed to sweep them, MVP, changed the face of the league and had David Stern creating a dress code aimed at him and those who wanted to be themselves like him, icon, etc. Kournikova is a model who happens to know how to play tennis a little. Two totally different people.

• unrel Posted: Jun.18 at 2:59 pm
  @student not a fan.. you sound silly.. ray allen?.. yes.. he predicted it.. he’s also the guy that said.. ‘let’s not forget i was picked higher than kobe in the draft’.. dude is a hater also.. and kobe didn’t run shaq out of town.. kobe was already thinking about leaving, himself.. shaq wanted more money than they were offering.. do you not recall the ‘pay me’ screams he was making during the pre-season?.. that’s far from being a teammate.. shaq was dope.. no doubt.. but he put up a front for the media and fans.. has a likeable image.. but can’t deliver in work ethic.. weight.. pointing at his finger in phoenix.. and winning a ring for the king..

• Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Jun.18 at 3:16 pm
  Congrats, Kobe and Lakers.

• dma Posted: Jun.18 at 3:20 pm
  Scottie Pippen is on line 1. Horace Grant is on line 2 with Dennis Rodman. Steve Kerr and John Paxon are ready to video conference in.

• eZ Posted: Jun.18 at 3:22 pm
  The ray-allen interview, even when critical allen remains classy. And good predictions for the period ’04 – ’07:
  http://www.seattlepi.com/basketball/195189_sonx14.html

• topo Posted: Jun.18 at 3:54 pm
  damn theres a lot of idiots in here! for once let it sink in..kobe is already one of the top 5 of all time and he’s not done yet!!!!

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.18 at 3:56 pm
  ^^Top 5… shooting guards, right?^^

• NDP Posted: Jun.18 at 3:57 pm
  @dino. yur an idiot.

• Gerard Himself Posted: Jun.18 at 4:01 pm
  man, days like this make me realize I need to go through NBA rehab. Another season over… sigh….

• J Dizzle Posted: Jun.18 at 4:37 pm
  LOL at all the haters!!!! I love it. The best thing besides seeing my team beat their hated rival is seeing all the Laker/Kobe haters with their panties in a bunch and making excuses. LAKERS 2010 CHAMPS BACK TO BACK!!! Gotta love the haterade going on!!!

• Exiled Zebra Posted: Jun.18 at 4:57 pm
  David J Stern: winning titles for lal by allowing the most lopsided trade in history. What are Kwame Brown and Javaris Crittenton doing now?

• topo Posted: Jun.18 at 4:59 pm
  i think its fair to say he should considered a top 5 player not just guard, hey remember magic said kobe will go down as the greatest laker

• niyasofresh Posted: Jun.18 at 5:16 pm
  Yeah I saw that and I was like that’s a middle finger to the media lol!

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.18 at 5:18 pm
  GO USA!!! GO USA!!!! After an epic come back that was cut short by a ref mistake we managed to get the draw against Slovenia and to hold our luck in our hands with a win against Algeria in the last game. At the same time the hated nazis lost from Serbia while the always foolishly arrogant brits (the other extremely& perenially overrated world power in football along with the nazis) managed a new draw against Algeria LOL!!!! GO USA!!!GO USA!!!!

• J Dizzle Posted: Jun.18 at 5:19 pm
  LOL @ Exiled Zebra. It’s not Stern’s job to prevent lopsided trades. Blame the GM’s if you really need to blame someone. Jealousy is a b*tch ain’t it???

• JB Posted: Jun.18 at 5:26 pm
  What was Kobe referring to with the Shaq comment, championships, or women accusing him of r**e?

• dino Posted: Jun.18 at 5:49 pm
  @NDP explain yourself?

• Yann Blavec Posted: Jun.18 at 5:52 pm
  The Spurs need to sign Shaq.

• don Posted: Jun.18 at 6:17 pm
  no kobe fan here, but yes, i think it’s okay for him to return the favor of “i got one more than you” line.

• Rsandoval723 Posted: Jun.18 at 6:17 pm
  Game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals. Both teams shot under 40 percent but Kobe Bryant is bashed for shooting bad. Kobe Bryant found another way to win; motherfucking defense. Kobe Bryant is getting double teamed and triple teamed thus giving space for his teammates yet Gasol deserves Finals MVP? You guys are ridiculous. Also, Kobe Bryant deserves those 3 rings with O’Neal! Kobe wasn’t exactly riding the pine you dumb fucks. Oh, Jordan had bums on his squad! Kobe Bryant had Odom, Artest, Gasol and Fisher. Not exactly top 50 players of all time ala Bird’s Celtics, Magic’s Lakers, and Jordan’s teammate Scottie Pippen.

• Pardeep Posted: Jun.18 at 6:20 pm
  Love the Karma, Shaq left Kobe in 04 thinking he was going to have much more success, Shaq can say all this nice stuff to Kobe now because he knows that Kobe is on top and if you’re a smart fan you know that Shaq is saying good things to Kobe the past couple of years because he is trying to be the good guy and hide the fact that it hurts him that Kobe had more success. Kobe loves this, he won’t forget his dark days just like MJ wouldn’t, they both hold grudges. Shaq can taste Kobe’s ass, and his 5 rings.

• Rsandoval723 Posted: Jun.18 at 6:23 pm
  Both teams shoot under 40 percent but Kobe Bryant is bashed for shooting bad? Pau Gasol should’ve won Finals MVP when Kobe Bryant was getting doubled and tripled thus giving space to his teammates? Kobe Bryant’s team is made up of Gasol, Artest, Odom, and Fisher and that makes them stacked? Magic had Top 50 players of all time teammates on his team. So did Larry Bird! So did Jordan! Also, Kobe Bryant deserves those 3 rings he got with O’Neal! He wasn’t exactly riding the pine! Kobe Bryant is now the best Laker of all time!

• Exiled Zebra Posted: Jun.18 at 6:25 pm
  Jizzel, it is precisely his job to make sure things are fair. Jerry West and Chris Wallace had a hand in it too. But that “trade” was a blatant gift to the lakers, so that they could become contenders again. It is quite obvious.

• kite Posted: Jun.18 at 6:25 pm
  AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHH…you idiots, tell me one guy who ever won anything on his own? You’re delusional, it has never ever happened. So many of you guys have no respect for this sport, you go way to far in your hate for Kobe. Kobe is one of the best things to happen to the NBA and most of you are way to ignorant to realise it. What a crying shame.

• kobesBESTfriend Posted: Jun.18 at 6:28 pm
  shaq should patch thangs up with kobe and sign back with the lakers 4 the league minimum and end his career in style with 2 more rings…i know deep down phil and kobe want him back…back were he belongs!!!

• Sasha Posted: Jun.18 at 6:38 pm
  I think Both Kobe & Shaq are arrogant over paid, pigs. They should both thank God for what they have and never put each other down. P.S Ron, Paul, and Fisher were the key. Kobe is just a sniper and without his foot solders he would of never won. P.S Boston is using Perkinks as an excuse for this loss. Ghetto Losers. Celtics need to get rid of all the Ghetto players and get some class..back

• J Dizzle Posted: Jun.18 at 6:39 pm
  Zebra, you’re wrong. “Fair” is a subjective word. Stern had no reason to stop that trade, and you believing it is “unfair” is just jealousy at work. An obvious gift? You’re an obvious fool. If any two teams and GMs want to make a trade, it’s in their power to do so and the commish should never stop it. There would’ve been an uproar had he not allowed it in the name of “fairness.” Someone sounds jealous. “The celtics shouldn’t have been allowed to sign Garnett AND allen, that’s just not FAIR!!!” How silly does that sound? Grow up dude!

• FHER Posted: Jun.18 at 6:57 pm
  yes, you do Kobe ,but if it wasn’t for
  Shaq you’d be missing three of those championship rings.

• SMH Posted: Jun.18 at 7:03 pm
  3 words… “Gasol’s left foot”

• Sasha Posted: Jun.18 at 7:05 pm
  TWO WORDS “UGLY GAME”

• Exiled Zebra Posted: Jun.18 at 7:11 pm
  Jizzel, name calling on the internet, you feel like a big man? Anyways, it is one of Sterns jobs to preserve parity. There was a huge uproar about that particular trade because of how lopsided it was. Another thing that cant be ignored is the fact that Jerry West was the grizzlies gm for a few years and had his lackey, Chris Wallace gift Gasol to the Lakers for their benefit. That is collusion, plain and simple. Boston traded Jeff Green and other pieces for Allen. Boston traded Jefferson, a 20 10 player, gomes, and other players and money for Garnett. If you will recall, some thought they gave up too much for Garnett. Jeff Green alone is of higher quality than everything the Lakers gave up for Gasol. I am not jealous, as I am an impartial observer. Facts are facts. The Lakers are 2010 nba champions. In an extremely shady deal Gasol went to the Lakers and they have been to the finals every year since.

• The Promise Posted: Jun.18 at 7:17 pm
  Give the Lakers credit, they played well, and better yet, give Kobe his due, for he found a way to close it out even though he hadnt shot the ball well. If they keep Fisher, there is a good chance they will win it again. Kobe is getting close to the top 10 greatest in my opinion. Another title will put him in the top 5. He’s better than LeBron, and will be for another few years. Sorry.

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.18 at 7:19 pm
  ^^Kobe’s not better than LeBron.^^

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.18 at 7:35 pm
  To the Mass Audience of SLAM:
  Many have rejoiced AND exalted in the glory and excitement of The L.A. Lakers being newly crowned champions of the NBA, the greatest league in the entire world as we know it. Anyway, I’m just here to let the world know that… if The King was on that Laker team, that series with the Celtics would not have lasted as long as it did. (But he wasn’t, but… STILL.) Exalt, mass audience, but we ALL know the truth of the matter. LeBron is better than Kobe.

• The Promise Posted: Jun.18 at 7:37 pm
  @The Philosopher: Yes, Bron is a more talented player, but, 5 chips don’t lie man. Lebron is awesome, he really is, but Kobe is still a tad above him.

• backboard Posted: Jun.18 at 7:37 pm
  @spanny : please tell me you were joking in your 5:18 comment………

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.18 at 7:50 pm
  I will go on to explain: The Teacher, (PAPALOUKAS) myself, AND I’m sure others have unanimously concluded that Pau Gasol IS among the greatest big men in the world of basketball today, if not THE best. Now that being said… Every championship won by the legendary Kobe Bryant has been won with a Hall of Fame big man. LeBron James cannot say the same for, The King has NEVER had a hall of fame big man in their prime on any of his teams, OR a coach with Hall of Fame credentials hence, making Kobe look better to many than… LeBron.

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.18 at 7:59 pm
  In fact, Michael Jordan has ALSO never had the luxury of having a Hall of Fame big man make him look better than he was. Cartwright is NO Shaq. Put Shaq with Michael Jordan for a moment.

• cp3fan Posted: Jun.18 at 8:00 pm
  Every title Michael won was with a Hall of Fame player too. So what does it matter? Teams win championships, not players. Kobe was the best player on the best team. LeBron had his chance against the Celtics and look at what happened. And what exactly is LeBron the King of? Not winning. That’s what Kobe does. We can talk about what if’s all day, but none of them matter. What IS is that Kobe has five rings, two without Shaq, and LeBron better start winning soon. And very soon.

• cp3fan Posted: Jun.18 at 8:04 pm
  Kobe has five rings. Regardless of how much people dislike him, those are the facts. No, he won’t be MJ, but neither will anybody else. No one will be Kobe Bryant either. So let it all go. Give the man his due. When LeBron wins a few championships, then we can start talking about who’s better if we want to. But right now, who’s better doesn’t matter. I would venture to say that it is better to talk about who’s better…D-Wade or LeBron. D-Wade has a ring himself that he won almost single-handedly. Same draft class. Those are the rivals. Not Kobe and LeBron.

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.18 at 8:12 pm
  ^^Tim Duncan is the greatest player in NBA history, then. He won All of those rings as the lone Hall of Famer in his prime… Is Tim Duncan better than Kobe Bryant? As a matter of FACT, it is arguable that Tim Duncan IS better than Kobe Bryant depending whom one speaks with.

• Quit hatin Posted: Jun.18 at 8:13 pm
  Lebron had his chances but disappears in the playoffs. He cudve won against boston but d celtics D was sick. Lebron gets
  outdone by howard and the magic 2 years in a row and u even wanna talk all this stuff bout being better than kobe? Kobe jus won the chip. Lebron is a beast and one hell of a player. Most powerful and athletic. He has it all except one thing that other great
  players have shown throughout history. The killer instinct.. The hunger for it all. Kobe jus had a bad game in game 7 as he even admitted he was on E! He trusted his teammates and got 15 rebounds when he cudnt score. Only time he went ti the finals, was a no show and let gibson do things for him. What
  team won d finals without any great player? Michael
  cudnt do it without scottie.. So did magic and larry with their respective teams. Most, if not all has that type of player that gasol is to kobe now

• Quit hatin Posted: Jun.18 at 8:18 pm
  David robinson (hall of famer) mario ellie.. Avery johnson.. Sean elliot and others were hell of a team players… Parker and ginobli didnt have much to do with it? Wade did win it all without almost no
  great player that comes to my
  mind. Yet they played sorry ass mavs. But still never thought of wade. Yeah wade over lebron )

• Sasha Posted: Jun.18 at 8:34 pm
  SUPERIOR FIRE POWER, SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE, AND THAT’S ALL SHE WROTE.

• RedRum Posted: Jun.18 at 8:35 pm
  seriously Kobe, seriously????? he is a great player (not MJ though…) I want to like him, but the guy is douche

• tina Posted: Jun.18 at 8:40 pm
  As good as “King” James is he’s just at home like you Philosopher, watching Kobe hoist that finals mvp & larry o’brian trophy. Basketball is 5 man sport who gives a crap who’s the best. Last i heard the best team wins at the end of the season.

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.18 at 8:46 pm
  @tina: LONG… LIVE… THE KING!!

• S_kemp Posted: Jun.18 at 8:50 pm
  yeah, and 7 less than Russell…I have a feeling this is going to go to his head…

• Exiled Zebra Posted: Jun.18 at 9:08 pm
  Look at my 7 11 pm post

• Sasha Posted: Jun.18 at 9:16 pm
  While M.J is making bacon neck commercials, Kobe is making history.

• logues Posted: Jun.18 at 9:20 pm
  hey kobe, maybe if you didnt pull a marbury and want all the attention you guys would still be together and u’d have bout six or seven rings…. “winning is all that matters”… BS kobe

• DJ Leon Smith Posted: Jun.18 at 9:22 pm
  Shaq struck first?! Shaq gave Kobe three rings and in return Kobe ratted him out to the police (one of the dumbest examples of snitching of all-time too, telling the cops that Shaq cheats was never going to get Kobe off the hook). As soon as Kobe does something good he automatically returns to doucheville.

• Ged23ai Posted: Jun.18 at 9:43 pm
  As a Celtic fan, the c’s put double teams on offensely and still he contribued kb24 is truly a great player, the celtics did miss the services of kendrick perk. not at all bias, lakers stepped up their
  defense & made a 13 pt run, congrats to lakers I thoroughly enjoyed the rivalry and the finals brillant spectacle. I only the celtics can return for another for the chip

• J Dizzle Posted: Jun.18 at 9:52 pm
  I saw what you said zebra. I still think it’s foolish to be discussing. Did that trade really mess with the integrity of the league or make things unfair? The Lakers lost the first year he went there, and still had to fight to win the next two years. I don’t think you would care if it was fair or not if they didn’t win anything with him. No one else is up in arms over it anymore, you’re making a scapegoat out of Stern as an excuse for their championships. Stern did not win titles for them, as you said. One man can’t win titles, even the commissioner.

• ronnell Posted: Jun.18 at 10:05 pm
  kobe can say whatever he wants remember when shaq got traded kobe would not win anymore rings, wrong now he has more rings than shaq who is now trade bait. time to to make a rap about shaq.

• Dean S Posted: Jun.18 at 10:23 pm
  I’ve been watching NBA since 1975. MJ is in a class by himself as the greatest winning, clutch player in big games of all times. I saw him hit the championship game winning shot against Utah in 1998. I also saw Magic hit a championship game winning shot against the Celtics in the 80s. Kobe with his five rings has now edged into the top 10, but he’ll never surpass Jordan in overall greatness, and to move into the top five he’s got to get more championships, MVPs and to show killer instinct in the big games.

• Sasha Posted: Jun.18 at 11:04 pm
  Add to the many contributions to the human race Shaq gave us the movie Kazaam (1996).

• Darksaber Posted: Jun.19 at 12:07 am
  This ‘discussion’ is missing out on the comedic appearance of the decade: Kareem Abdul Jabar’s sourpuss face during the trophy acceptance ceremonies. (check cnnsi’s Nba page and laugh till you weep). Damn, dude looks pissed/jealous at the same time: no wonder Sportsguy calls him ‘the big ninny’. Now back to the regular scheduled, time honored Slamonline tradition of Kobe-bashing, MJ-comparing.

• Jukai Posted: Jun.19 at 1:21 am
  Okay, let’s break it down:
  Shooting: Kobe
  Post moves: Jordan
  Slashing: Jordan
  Speed: Jordan
  Leaping ability: Jordan
  Strength: Jordan
  Clutch: Even
  Ball Handling: Even
  Footwork: Kobe
  Hands: Jordan
  Passing: Jordan
  Court Vision: Jordan
  Offensive rebounding: Jordan
  Defensive rebounding: Jordan
  Iso defense: Kobe
  Help Defense: Jordan
  Passing lanes: Jordan
  Controlling Turnovers: Jordan
  Leadership: Jordan
  Seed, please try to argue with me on this. How is everything between Jordan and Kobe a wash?

• Jackie Moon Posted: Jun.19 at 1:29 am
  Shooting: Kobe
  Post moves: Kobe
  Slashing: Kobe
  Speed: Kobe
  Leaping ability: Jordan
  Strength: Kobe
  Clutch: Kobe
  Ball Handling: Kobe
  Footwork: Kobe
  Hands: Jordan
  Passing: Kobe
  Court Vision: Kobe
  Offensive rebounding: Kobe
  Defensive rebounding: Kobe
  Iso defense: Kobe
  Help Defense: Kobe
  Passing lanes: Kobe
  Controlling Turnovers: Jordan
  Leadership: Kobe

• Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Jun.19 at 2:48 am
  How can you even break it down like that? Kobe was an athletic freak like Jordan before… They are actually more similar than a lot of you guys would elect to admit. Playing styles, demeanor, everything.

• Jukai Posted: Jun.19 at 3:34 am
  Jackie Moon, I’ve never questioned your knowledge of basketball until now.
  Because, really, some of that is opinion, but some of that is f’ing crazy. Kobe is a better post player despite refusing to take Nate Robinson into the post whenever they matched up? Kobe is a better passer and rebounder despite averaging, both for a career and at his peak seasons, less assists and less rebounds?
  Kobe is better at playing the passing lanes despite Jordan being number two on the all-time steals list, and three for per game?
  Kobe is a better leader? What?!?
  This will officially be the last time I respond to Jackie Moon. Dude’s crazy. I was worried, initially, when Kobe absolutely (and admittedly) cracked in game 7 but still won cause of a strong team and Celtic ineptitude, people would overrate the guy… but this is beyond belief. You and the Seed should be boyfriend and girlfriend.

• lupe Posted: Jun.19 at 4:10 am
  Jackie Moon is high as a kite, or a superkick

• Darksaber Posted: Jun.19 at 4:43 am
  Wow, Juk-Star just broke it down like an abandoned building and owned JM. Then again, the Flint tropicals were before MJ, so what would their owner/marketer/power forward know about Kobe comparisons? Hee hee.

• Jackie Moon Posted: Jun.19 at 4:45 am
  Wait, we’re talking about MICHAEL Jordan? I thought we you this was about EDDIE Jordan!

• Darksaber Posted: Jun.19 at 4:50 am
  Hey here are a few comparisons you forgot guys:
  MJ: Karla Knefel
  KB: umm, you know, the ho..
  MJ: dealt with ‘bad as i wanna be’
  KB: still trying to be badddd
  MJ: slapped Purdue in practice (i think)
  KB: Vanessa does the slapping, thank u
  MJ: Juanita got HALF (shout it like Eddie Murphy)
  KB: 4 million & counting
  ahhh, this is fun. Letting my inner Anton out.

• Exiled Zebra Posted: Jun.19 at 6:30 am
  HALF! Shout it like eddie murphy. HALF!

• Hursty Posted: Jun.19 at 6:38 am
  Jackie Moon is having you on Jukai. Besides, everyone knows he’s the greatest basketball player of of all-time.
  PLUS he has a hit single.
  Jordan at 35, after he was “done” is better than Kobe at 31. That’s all I’m gonna say on it. For now.

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.19 at 6:38 am
  just did sports nation’s ranking of all time greats on ESPN !!! it’s always funny to rank them !!! interesting thing is that from 65000 voters, 80% percent have MJ as no-1 and the second one in first place votes is Kobe…no wonder so much talk on this comparison. Overall they have MJ, MAGIC, KOBE,JABBAR,RUSSELL,BIRL,WILT. This time(i always change my mind axcept the top-3) i went with MJ,MAGIC,BIRD,HAKEEM,WILT,JABBAR,BRYANT,RUSSELL,OSCAR,WEST,TIM,SHAQ,MOSES. Is it possible for SLAM to do such a thing and see the number of voters (very important, as long as they don’t vote many times) and the preferences? A SLAM nations’ all-timers list would have gone something like this:
  MJ,KOBE,MAGIC,SHAQ,WILT,RUSSELL,OSCAR,IVERSON,JABBAR,TIM,WEST,MOSES,BIRD,HAKEEM.

• backboard Posted: Jun.19 at 8:02 am
  papaloukas, i still want to know if you were serious in your 5:18 comment in this thread….

• PAPALOUKAS (click on my name) Posted: Jun.19 at 8:11 am
  @backboard….: tell about which part.

• ryan m Posted: Jun.19 at 8:52 am
  anyone forgetting shaqs rap???? because kobe didn’t…..and kobes an ass for saying what he said?…give me a break

• Eduardo Posted: Jun.19 at 9:45 am
  Thought this comment would raise a few issues once Kobe said it. Big Kobe fan even since he was a rookie but showed that there was a big of arrogance behind this ring considering that Shaq led that team to their first 3 titles. Remember they even brought a tactic “Hack a Shaq” because he was so dominant in the game. They even had to force and allow zone defense into the league which wasn’t permitted in the NBA prior to this period just to stop people like Shaq. Well if Shaq comes off the bench next year and wins a title. He could always come out and say I’ve tied with Kobe but I’ve still got one more Final’s MVP and I won a title with 3 different teams… but that’s just a dream that Shaq could create until it happens. Shaq shouldn’t be starting if he comes back as he’s not in his prime but effective in limited minutes Liked Kobe’s honesty about suppressing his emotions and not allowing the hype effect his concentration. Kobe’s an awesome and inspirational competitor.

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.19 at 12:09 pm
  I was looking at Slam’s top 50 from before last year’s championship and here is their top 13.
  1. Jordan 2. Wilt 3. Russel 4. Shaq 5. Oscar Robertson 6. Magic Johnson 7. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 8. Tim Duncan 9. Larry Bird 10. Jerry West 11. Elgin Baylor 12. Kobe Bryant 13. Hakeem Olajuwon
  I’m using that as a guide (and making a few other adjustments) after two more post-seasons and a regular season of NBA play:
  1. Jordan 2. Wilt 3. Russel 4. Kobe 5. Magic 6. Kareem 7. Oscar 8. Shaq 9. Tim Duncan 10. Larry Bird 11. Jerry West 12. Elgin Baylor 13. Hakeem Olajuwon.
  That’s my list at the moment, it’s okay if you don’t agree its subjective. Post yours if you feel inclined. I hope SLAM does a new list soon. I never really know where to rank the Big O. I’ve seen him as high as three. It may not be popular to have Kobe ahead of him, but in the same amount of seasons, Mamba has 4 rings, 1-more ALLNBA selection and 10 more defensive selections (he only played five or so seasons with that as an award).

• Kobe Bryant: ‘I Just Got One More Than Shaq’ – SLAM Posted: Jun.20 at 12:34 am
  [...] Original post by SLAM [...]

• The Coach Posted: Jun.20 at 5:45 am
  Now Kobe is ranked as high as #1-#4…unreal. Please study your NBA history before you make such ignorant statements. If Kobe was concerned about elevating his game in Game 7 he would not have shot 24 times. The defense numbers came to him. He did not make any extra effort.

• SKD Posted: Jun.20 at 10:22 am
  Shooting: Jordan
  Post moves: Jordan
  Slashing: Jordan
  Speed: Jordan
  Leaping ability: Jordan
  Strength: Jordan
  Clutch: Jordan
  Ball Handling: Even
  Footwork: Jordan
  Hands: Jordan
  Passing: Jordan
  Court Vision: Jordan
  Offensive rebounding: Jordan
  Defensive rebounding: Jordan
  Iso defense: JORDAN
  Help Defense: Jordan
  Passing lanes: Jordan
  Controlling Turnovers: Jordan
  Leadership: Jordan
  Seed, please try to argue with me on this. How is everything between Jordan and Kobe a wash? People, how can you say Kobe is a better shooter than Jordan? Part of shooting is decision making. Kobe has never broken 47% for a whole season. Jordan lived above 50%, just like every other great player. Kobe isnt anything but a gunner who lucked into playing with 5 or 6 hall of famers and the greatest coach of all time. Im old enough to have seen Jordan play. I remember when Mamba came into the league. Never was even as good an all around player as Tracy McGrady. Just had sh*t loads of help. Great players dont win titles, well balanced teams do. Kobe isnt any better of a player now than he was when he was going for 81 with a team that couldnt get out the first round. The difference is Pau and all the other great players they have now. Kobe is actually probably worse.

• SKD Posted: Jun.20 at 10:24 am
  Oh and ball handling should be Jordan too.
  The size of that nukkas hands alone.

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.21 at 9:27 am
  @The Coach – Most people have Magic top 5 all-time and now the debate between he and Kobe is completely subjective. Some people would never put Mamba ahead of him, some do (like ESPN’s Chris Broussard).
  @SKD – That is completely ignorant. Give Kobe his due. Pau wasn’t making the HOF until he teamed with Kobe and the only other HOFer he won a title with was Shaq. So, IDK how you get 5-6.

• truthteller Posted: Jun.21 at 11:34 am
  The Coach: Are you saying this a hater or as someone who thinks he knows something about basketball?

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.22 at 9:28 am
  Magic is the greatest of all times.

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.22 at 10:16 am
  @The Philosopher: I respect your opinion and have a question for you on this Magic/Kobe debate. There are some media members who have gone on the record as saying that no matter what Kobe does for the remainder of his career, Magic will always be the greatest Laker. You being someone who currently has Magic over Kobe, do you concede that Kobe could ever be considered the greatest Laker, after possibly breaking the scoring record and winning more titles?

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.22 at 12:05 pm
  @jumpman3224: First of all brethren, I appreciate the compliment, and I respect your opinions as well, for you are very knowledgeable AND you make valid and interesting points.
  Now, as far as your question, I believe that Magic is the best player to ever play in the NBA. I wish he could have played five more years.

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.22 at 12:13 pm
  @Philosopher: Thanks! Yea, would have loved to see him have a bit of a longer career too. I just started reading “When the Game” was ours about Magic/Bird. It’s a really good read so far.

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.22 at 12:17 pm
  Now, when I consider who’s better than who, I tend to look at the brand of basketball that one brings. I look at the skill set, the uniqueness of the skill set of players. Accolades, statistical accomplishments, and championships are indicative of how a player can be judged, for numbers don’t lie, but the numbers do not paint the entire picture. Now, Magic Johnson’s skill set is among the most unique ever seen, for there has never been anything seen like that before… or since. Not even LeBron. (even though there are similarities) So that being said, no, I don’t believe that Kobe is, or will be, the greatest Laker. I think it would have happened for Kobe by now if it were to happen.

• jumpman3224 Posted: Jun.22 at 1:28 pm
  I guess we disagree in semantics. I think “best” and “greatest” are two different things. To me, best is what you laid out as a player’s skill set and ability. And, great is the sum of the player’s career in terms of accomplishments. Using those definitions, no matter if you think Kobe will never be better than Magic, I believe it is stubborn to say that he will never have a greater career, as he has time to build on his already comparable resume. I will say though for best, that yes Magic’s offensive game was completely unique, but in terms of overall skill I believe Kobe has a large advantage over Magic defensively and an advantage as a scorer. I guess that’s why there is so much debate. Maybe Magic said it best, when he wouldn’t go on record as Kobe being ahead of him, but they will be the only two with statues in LA. Honestly though, just being in the coversation for top two all-time as a Laker illustrates that at 31 years old Kobe is in the NBA’s top 10 ever.

• The Philosopher Posted: Jun.22 at 1:49 pm
  Again, interesting points, for Kobe may in fact, end up with the greater career than Magic, depending on how one judges and defines his career. Even then he has still a little ways to go, but it is not impossible. He is still young enough, he’s still generally in good health. He is declining physically, but he’s adjusting adequately, so, we shall see.

• comers75 Posted: Jul.19 at 11:39 am
  i can’t believe people playin the hatin card or the jealous card everytime someone states facts to the contrary that kobe is the the greatest player ever i’m a laker fan myself and as much as i wish for that i know that can never happen despite what the media blathers about i actually saw mj play hated him for destroying the lakers dynasty but gained respect for dude cause he always brought it the bigger the game the more he brought it that game 7 kobe had in all honesty mj never had a game that bad in his career not even practice to sum it up kobe will never be as great as mj maybe team stats such as ring count but individual stats wise mj is shockingly superior to kobe sadly young people don’t bother to do research before they make stupid comments.

• comers75 Posted: Jul.19 at 12:02 pm
  yes they beat the kings it’s been almost 10 years so even being a laker fan i have the stones to admit that second chip was the result of some blatantly bad officiating in favor of la they absolutely lives on the stripe while sacramento suffered through heavy contact with no fouls called kinada like game 7 lol i see debates about kobe’s performance in that game what about artest and gasol carrying the team the entire 4th quarter what about fisher? and why do people try to discredit shaq when those of us that watched him actually play back then knew he was a nearly unstoppable monster that made dwight howard look like a little girl. so much so that he demended triple teams as he would just dunk over double teams who do you think that benefited im not a hater i’m actually a laker fan but i aint no stinking homer that tries to make every excuse for my favorite team and player dude stunk in a way mj never had end of story

• comers75 Posted: Jul.19 at 12:02 pm
  yes they beat the kings it’s been almost 10 years so even being a laker fan i have the stones to admit that second chip was the result of some blatantly bad officiating in favor of la they absolutely lives on the stripe while sacramento suffered through heavy contact with no fouls called kinada like game 7 lol i see debates about kobe’s performance in that game what about artest and gasol carrying the team the entire 4th quarter what about fisher? and why do people try to discredit shaq when those of us that watched him actually play back then knew he was a nearly unstoppable monster that made dwight howard look like a little girl. so much so that he demended triple teams as he would just dunk over double teams who do you think that benefited im not a hater i’m actually a laker fan but i aint no stinking homer that tries to make every excuse for my favorite team and player dude stung in a way mj never had end of story