Thursday, June 3rd, 2010 at 8:00 am  |  103 responses

Image Is Everything

Kobe is uncool. That’s why he can’t be the Greatest.

by Quinn Peterson

I’ll start by saying I’m definitely a Kobe supporter. I’ve long argued that, skill-for-skill, he’s as good as Mike. If that’s untrue, the argument has certainly never held more strength than it does now. But that’s another story.

What’s in question here, is why, if that’s even semi-true, doesn’t Kobe get that same love that Mike got. Even if one doesn’t agree that Kobe is as good as Mike, he’s pretty damn close, and that alone should warrant some kind of praise. But it doesn’t. Not to the extent it should.

Instead, there’s a reluctance to accept what Kobe’s done. I’m not saying no one likes Kobe or everything he does goes unnoticed. Much to the contrary. Proof of that was recently eloquently stated on this site.

But it’s the fact there’s even a necessity to have this argument. We like to think the stats and numbers should speak for themselves, but that’s just not true. At least not in this case. Four riKobe Bryantngs, maybe five, possibly more. Three straight trips to the Finals — for the second time. All-time leading scorer in Lakers history. The list goes on. And you can add clutch shot after clutch shot to that as well. Everything that is said to determine who’s great and who’s not.

What’s interesting is that who’s great and who’s loved, however, apparently have no correlation. Not in Kobe’s case. When it comes to him those facts go in one ear and out the other for many.

It’s really pretty unfortunate. Throughout his career, no athlete of such an elite stature has committed social suicide so many times. The Black Mamba, time and time again, has put himself in the worst positions. Sometimes knowingly, sometimes just bad luck.

And it’s not merely the Colorado incident. Even before that, his chances at world domination were wary.

From day one, he’s placed himself in a line of fire like Denzel at the end of Training Day. Starting when he put those shades on the top of his head when he declared he was “taking his talent” to the League. It came off as corny, and the perceived arrogance made people hate him. As soon as he set foot in Tinsel Town he was slighted.

Since then, it’s been one event after another. And not Dennis Rodman or Ron Artest events. Not being a jerk with the media. Just flat-out lame s#@!. For instance, 2000 NBA All-Star Weekend. When Kobe decided to perform “K.O.B.E.” alongside Tyra Banks … in another language. WHAT?!

The aforementioned sexual allegation of course wasn’t a good look.

Or when the whole Shaq/Kobe drama took off and began to play itself out in public. Not only was the perception that he ran Diesel out of town, but it was later rumored that comments Kobe made around that time played a role in the demise of Shaq’s marriage.

“HE SNITCHED?!?! Aw hell naw!!!”

Ulitmate no, no. Especially since it was regarding Shaq’s wife. Nas came through and laced him with a whole verse for that one.

“From OJ to Kobe, or let’s call him Tobe, … turn around and you s#@! on Shaq?”

Then in 2007, he demanded a trade. Recently, we’ve seen “The Jaw.” Those L.A. Times Magazine photos last month. So on and so forth. Hell, even the Nike MVPuppets commercials, which feature him, have played him like a straight cornball, especially in relation to LeBron. All this adds up to an immense amount of hate and disdain for a guy who, based on his accomplishments, should be getting the Prince Akeem treatment.

Part of the problem is that Kobe, being the competitor he is, just doesn’t care, something he stated clearly back in SLAM 66: “I know what I can do individually, but right now I’ma keep winnin’ and make every single one of y’all hate my guts,” he said.

For better or worse, he’s always been all about the Ws. As long as he wins, he doesn’t care. That’s how it should be. But it’s America, things can’t just be that easy.

As a “basketball head to the bone,” as Bryan Crawford put it, I can confidently say I’ve been able to overlook these incidents, only worrying about what’s going on the hardwood.

More generally though, the result has been that, no matter what he does or who he tries to please, people still hate. This is one of the most accomplished players EVER in the history of the game. He should have the whole world eating from his hand the way Mike did. But he doesn’t. Why?

How can he successfully emulate Mike’s every move, and, more importantly, back it up with hardwood, but not feel the same love? The answer is actually quite simple: He’s not cool. Period. And that’s the major issue.

“He’s a square,” people say. Men and women, across the world, all bring themselves to hate the Black Mamba. And it has absolutely nothing to do with what’s going on on the court, per se.

Mike was, hands down the coolest, smoothest cat doin’ it. Straight up. Kobe’s not… at all. Bryant had a failed rap attempt; MJ had one of the most ubiquitous and memorable jingles of all time made hailing to His Airness. They never even mentioned the actual product, Gatorade.

That’s where the dilemma is. That’s why people have become so infatuated with King James but not KB24. Keep it 100, LeBron is cool as hell. Stays fresh, calmly chops it up with Hov on the sidelines during the game, makes appearances in clubs and at hip-hop concerts, etc. That’s why, despite his shortcomings in the Playoffs, he’s managed to stay ahead of Kobe in the minds of many. He’s cool, that’s really all it comes down to.

That’s the difference between being great, like Kobe, and being an icon, like Jordan. Cats wanted to be Jordan on and off the court. He was cool. He was cooler than cool. He was ice cold. This guy just looks cooler than this one, plain and simple. That’s all it takes.

I guess we should really be inspecting America in this particular discussion, because abroad, specifically in China, Kobe is that dude. Over here though, image is everything. It doesn’t matter what you’re output is, if you don’t look a certain way doing it, it means nothing in the eyes of the public. It’s a harsh, but true, reality. Welcome to Pop Culture, USA.

That’s certainly not a groundbreaking fact; however, it is one that has become all the more clear as Kobe has continued to wow us by draining shots with guys damn near stitched onto his uniform, but the willingness to finally suck it up and salute the man has remained just as challenging for some of his detractors.

Given everything he’s done, it should be a no-brainer of how dope he is. Yet the need to defend what should really speak for itself, shows it’s clearly not. And even if (when?) Kobe gets his fifth ring in these next few weeks, the need to defend him will still remain. I’ll be one of those defenders, no doubt, but it’s ashamed that it’s even necessary.

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  • Babygab

    Kinda true !

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    AS usual Quinn, great stuff. Although I’ll disagree on one thing…in the MVPuppets commericals, Kobe is actually the cooler one and Bron is the one who comes off kind of like a cornball. Kobe Puppet: “I’ve got two words for you brother. Black. Mamba.” LeBron Puppet: “Oh yeah? Well I’ve got two words for you. King. Of the. Jungle.” See what I mean?

  • cheeks21

    At least his mom didn’t get plowed by delonte west lol

  • Charita Batiste

    When you compare the 2. Mike was likable period. He played with class and endorsed with class. Hell he danced with Michael Jackson. That is the difference Kobe still plays like he has something to prove and you proved it. He plays with an arrogance and therefore will never get the same love as #23.

  • Clifton

    “For better or worse, he’s always been all about the Ws. As long as he wins, he doesn’t care. That’s how it should be. But it’s America, things can’t just be that easy.”

    Have to disagree with that 100%. You mentioned the K.O.B.E. performance and all that, and then you said this statement, and the two don’t make sense together. Kobe has ALWAYS cared about the perception of him, and not just winning. Winning was something he naturally did when Shaq was in town, so if that statement were true, he would’ve sucked it up and kept a dynasty together that was capable of winning 6+ rings, right? Even if it meant history remembered him as the greatest second fiddle ever, rather than the greatest player? I would argue that it took him until year 2 of “The Kwame Brown Experiment” to really care only about winning…cuz playin with Kwame’ll do that to you reeeal quick, lol.

    I do agree that Kobe is missin’ all kinds of cool–but I wouldn’t say it’s because he never cared to be. Either way, he’s a great player, and I’m sure he’s gonna go balls-to-the-wall to get rings 5 & 6

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’d like to commend Quinn on an insightful piece that points out many of the things us Kobe “Haters” probably have never took the time to word in this fashion. One of the best pieces I’ve read on the site in a while.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    I remember that Q&A in Slam 66. Kobe said “motherf*cker” a lot. It was funny.

  • barry melrose

    There’s another difference between Kobe and LBJ/MJ on the court. JBJ/MJ were monster athletes that could drive to the basket at any time and dominate. Americans love raw dominating power.

    Kobe isn’t an overwhelmingly dominating athlete. He is a skill guy and plays a European style of basketball. Americans hate that.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    @ Barry Melrose…..Kobe Ginobili?

  • namik

    Ryan, he also said he knew “damn near every verse from Jay, Biggie and Nas” word for word. Damn, love the dude’s game, but he is so f*cking lame off the court. Great piece Quinn.

  • riggs

    great piece quinn, agree with it wholeheartedly, kobe just comes off as a fake douche whether he means to or not. And why doesn’t any of his “friends” or family members tell him that jutting out his jaw looks F#$%# stupid as all hell?

  • riggs

    dont get me wrong though he does have his cool moments, like when he made that shot with grant hill heavily contesting him and then he gives gentry a “good game” slap…..but then he goes and f*cks it up by doing that stupid jet routine.

  • http://freshnproper.com Q

    @eboy thanks man, preciate it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’m probably MORE of a hater for liking your piece Quinn, but fu*k it, it really spoke well to alot of Bean’s shortcomings as an Icon.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Eboy…I think Quinn’s piece exemplified what I’ve said all along. If you don’t like Kobe, it probably has nothing to do with basketball. I just think it’s unfair to not give him credit as a player because you don’t like him as a person.

  • http://nba.com Reflex

    that flying jet routine was gangster!
    The jaw, not so much

  • http://freshnproper.com Q

    @bryan thanks…You think so? I could see why you say that….I’ve always felt like Kobe comes off as some old man that doesn’t even resemble what he actually looks like.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    YES EBOY! Kobe Ginobli. Imagine Ginobli trying to act “hood” all of the sudden. There you have it, KobeImademyownnicknameMamba. They basically have the same background. But still, you can;t deny him on a basketball court, EVER.

  • roman

    I guess its cool to be bounced out of the playoffs two years in a row. Dude’s a winner who cares.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    All of yall are lost. This was not a good article, HIS VEIW WAS SLANTED-IF NOT- where was the dirt on Lebron and MJ, WAIT THEY ARE JUST COOL—OK THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT. I could write this same article about Lebron and Mike and make it sound like they are uncool. Lebron is not cool to me, I see him as a machine/clown who has people telling him everything to do like his mom agent. Mike seem’s cool, but a lot of people hated him on his own team. I didn’t think he was that cool off the court either. Did you see him hanging out with Scottie Pippen really off the court, Scottie made his career that much better, because people act like Mike would shut folks down on defense. Scottie was a defensive beast who made Grant, BJ and Ron Harper look good on defense. Lebron is lame he is rapping on stage wih a FAKE rapper, he is talking to Larry King, why not Oprah, he picked the lame guy, he hasn’t produce in seven years a title, please don’t bring up Jordan, different situation different game. MJ personality sucked it’s just yall weak minded folks love those dumb commercials too much and thought he was being real. MJ is FAKE TOO. KOBE is himself, I like Kobe’s personality its refreshing and real. He says what he feels and a lot of yall would be that way too, if people constantly hated him and didn’t want him passing the IDOL MJ. Kobe is that dude, I could say a lot of yall are cornballs by the way you write articles and how yall express your opinions in them. Kobe is appreciated just not by DUMB FOLKS, he is and will be the closest to MJ ever. Lebron is not that, he will disappoint a lot of yall in the future with his limited skills. KOBE has the number one selling jersey. KOBE was Harry Potter and the rest of the NBA players and Lebron were the HOGNOTS in china and Kobe Lakers kill in ratings and Kobe is loved more because of his skill level, who cares if LEBRON can run you over and make an and 1 layup. I can say more people hate Lebron now and prove it, because to me he is a dummy who got blessed with talent, but he won’t take the time to skill his talent. Lebron is getting the hate now, quitter, scarred of delonte, won’t be honest and to me this summit mess is sad, BIRD, MAGIC, HAKEEM, BARKLEY, ISAISH and MJ would never meet to hang on people’s coat tails to win a title. THIS IS CORNBALLISH. KOBE is what he is, some always compare to MJ to judge him, but MJ came along when the media didn’t question his womanizing, abortions, pridefulness, smack talking whinner, leaving kids behind. To be the greatest but got ran from BULLS. FUNNNY LOL. Then he wasted his years playing for WIZARDS and they cut him off, now he is trying to fix the scrub BETCATS who will always suck. AT JORDAN Hall of Fame speech he barely talked about the people who helped him, he was all about him. HE sucked personality wise too, but at least Kobe will take stands and not make statements like MJ, where Republicans buy shoes too. MJ would have probably been scared to say he will vote for OBAMA. See yall see what yall want, but MJ didn’t care about anybody but himself and he was not cool to me then or now, Lebron is just slow to me he talks dumb. LEbron even said Kobe is cloest to MJ ever. JORDAN IS NOT LOVED LIKE YALL THINK. SSSSLLLLAAAMMM PLEASE DO A POLL ON JORDAN ABOUT OFF THE FIELD STUFF AND KOBE”S or HAVE one OF YOUR TALENTED STAFF DIG DEEP ABOUT THEIR LIFES AND PERSONALITIES OFF THE COURT AND I BET MJ HAS RUINED AND HAS A REPUTATION OF BEING A JERK. BELIEVE THAT!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Bryan, I agree, but there are things I don’t like about him as a player either, so I’m not sure what that means. He is far too obsessed with putting up terribly contested shots, tries that triple/quadruple fake far too often, juts his chin ou……wait, that IS part of his game right, like KG’s fake terrorist antics or Dwight’s “I’m really not that polished offensively so maybe if I smile big all will be forgiven” or D-Wade’s falling down like I got hit by a linebacker when I’m BUILT like a linebacker. It’s not hard to hate on certain guys playing styles and if the same people that like to take shots NOW at Michael’s legacy while trying to crusade for Kobe’s at the same time can’t see why people rail against Kobe when they feel like it’s unwarranted, maybe those people should view Kobe’s peers and those he patterned his game after in higher esteem if they want the same treatment for their guy.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    The Seed just validated my point as one of the most ignorant Kobe apologists there is writing in a way most people won’t even try to interpert.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *interpret

  • CF98

    I disagree about Jordan being likeable as that’s a matter of opinion and I always hated that dude.

    However overall I do agree its seems the criticism over Kobe is everything but basketball. And if you’re going to judge him as a player judge him for basketball.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Wait….so now it’s “Michael was great but boy, was he a jerkoff” and for Kobe, now it’s “Wow, Kobe’s great, but he’s only a quasi-jerkoff cause everyone not cheering for his team is a hater and that’s just not fair!!” GTFOH with that bulls*it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I agree that Kobe seems lame.
    I also agree that it has nothing to do with his skill on the court.
    Like many people have said, Mike benefited from the time he came up in. If he had come up during today’s media climate he probably would be considered just as big a douche as Kobe. I mean, seriously, have y’all paid attention to how horrible MJ seems as a person these days? Plus, most of us view Jordan through the lens of childhood and young adulthood. We have different ideas about “cool” when we’re younger.
    Anyway, Kobe tries to hard to be down. He should have just embraced who he was, but that’s hard for any teenager to grasp, let alone a teenager thrust into making millions of dollars playing basketball with envious grown men.
    Finally, Kobe used to INCREDIBLY athletic. We should be comparing Kobe athletically to Jordan in his final three seasons, not Mike when he first came in the league. Some of y’all don’t remember young Kobe, but I do. Dude has a VICIOUS crossover, and was ready and willing to BANG on cats with regularity. He stopped doing all that and changed his game up, which I find even more impressive.

  • Aaron

    I liked this piece. “Welcome to Pop Culture, USA,” sums it up perfectly. I’m a Kobe fan because of his attitude and style on the court, not off it. And for the record, Lebron is NO cooler than Kobe. Assuming I have a peronal relationship with them, they are both very lame (Bron moreso).

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Seed, I tend to agree with you, but I also tend to feel like if you can’t explain yourself in 2 paragraphs or less then your trying to hard.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    And the consensus from middle to lower NBA staff everywhere is that Lebron is a Superjerk.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Myles Brown

    Cool is not a democracy. It’s a dictatorship.

  • The Philosopher

    Shout out to young MOOSE.

  • memyselfand9

    not only is he lame, he is nowhere near the greatest.
    please don’t try to fool the people that this is the only thing that holds him back from being perceived the greatest.
    smh.

  • The Philosopher

    Oh, and SLAM is still the greatest basketball site of all times, and ALL of SLAM’s writers are reputable, have great knowledge of the game, and truly love the game of basketball. What more can one ask?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Spaceship
    But, can you be a jerk and be cool?
    I say, yes.
    But, I also think Lebron is less clutch than Kobe. If Kobe has balls of steel, Lebron is kinda like iron.
    Pause.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Allenp: Pause indeed. Yes, I agree that there is always some outsiders in being “cool” that hate because they subliminally wish they were “cool” themselves. Outside of high school that should mean nothing. And SUPER-DUPER co-sign Myles. This should have been closed after his comment.

  • Kostas

    Great, great article. Completely agree. I would like to point out a forgotten angle: The greatest part of Kobe Hate stems from ’03 to ’06, and was fueled by a sometimes absurd decision of the media to turn Shaq into the Good Guy, which necessarily requires a Villain.
    Maybe you don’t remember, but Shaq was in no way considered funny or likable as late as 2001. Shaq Hate was much more prominent then Kobe Hate; Kobe had the “arrogant” angle, and he obviously lacked charisma, but that was it. Then the rape charges came; Shaq started building up the “Big Goofy Fun Guy” image, and for some reason uterly inexplicable to anyone outside the US (believe me…) the media and the public bought it. His orginal but insanely stupid one-liners were considered hilarious. Then Shaq and co. decided to portray KB as the villain, and boy did it work.
    Since then, we have received ample proof that Shaq is one of the biggest douches ever. And to be honest, the “arrogance” angle is a huge paradox when discussing a superstar culture. As the article stated, we WANT our icons to be arrogant. They just have to be cool as well, and Kobe isn’t. Lebron, like Shaq, managed to coerce us (or at least Americans) into the “one of the guys” thing, and he can get away with “global icon” comments, while Kobe is considered the “arrogant” one. The rest of us are laughing…

  • the_baller20

    i love when you say kobe is uncool. i bet he’ll love that.
    p.s. quinn you better watch your back son because when you least expect it kobe gonna show up at your front door.

  • Sarah

    I can’t comment on MJ cause I was pretty young and not really following the NBA when he was playing. Because of that, I don’t have a great love for him but understand that he was great. As for Kobe, this article basically hits it on the head. A lot of what he does outside of basketball, even down to facial expressions or demeanor on the court other than basketball actions, has felt too forced. Like he was trying to be something he felt was cool or felt he should be trying to emulate. That may not have even been the case, but that’s how it usually feels. Anyway, after all this time I have finally learned to appreciate his play and his work ethic and leave it at that. I sorta like him right now and it’s really strange to me lol. Like I really can’t pick a team in the Finals cause I don’t feel this pressing need to root against the Lakers this year. Maybe because it’s been a few years since my Spurs have gotten far enough to clash with them. How depressing.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    namik: Good memory. I actually did dude a favor or three in how I edited that exchange. One of these days I’ll have to dig up the tape.

  • riggs

    and jut his mouth at him the_baller?

  • Sarah

    For the record, I don’t really understand the LeBron is cool thing either though. Sure he hangs out with Jay-Z and whatever else, but he still feels like a really big kid who’s a little lost in that stuff sometimes. That video recently posted on this site of him onstage with Drake was actually kinda hilarious because he had no idea what he was doing. Of course, why would he? But I wouldn’t say that was an overwhelmingly cool moment for him. I dunno.

  • Erika Badu

    The truthiest piece ever written on SLAM. I have always argued this! thank you!

  • Kadavour

    good job Quinn, you even got Eboy to be honest about his Kobe disdain. Now his only legitimate qualm now is Kobe’s affinity for multiple pump fakes.

  • memory

    In the piece it says that cats wanted to be Jordan. I’m a girl and I have no desire to ever emulate Kobe or be him off the court. I do respect the fact that he has worked so hard to be the best. To me that’s cool…his work ethic. Because not everyone has that drive to be the best. That is something, I admire.

    When it comes to MJ…the only thing I remember about him from the 90s was Space Jam and those Gatorade commercials. I could have cared less about Sports or how cool MJ was. Now to me he’s the old guy in those corny Hanes commercials. I didn’t grow up watching MJ…I grew up watching Kobe. He’s THAT GUY to me.

  • http://freshnproper.com Q

    @memory “I do respect the fact that that he has worked so hard to be the best. to me that’s cool…his work ethic”.

    I fully salute you for that statement. Respect.

  • J-Bird

    I dont think Kobe really knows who he is outside of basketball, and thats why you see him copying MJ’s mannerisms,teaming up with LeBron for ad campaigns, those ridiculous LA times photos, the failed attempt at rapping. It seems like Kobes enitire life has been about basketball, so he honestly dosent think about anything else, thus his coolness suffers.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oh Kadavour, if it was ONLY just the pump fakes I disliked….

  • memory

    @Q,thank you.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Myles Brown

    This does make me wonder how “cool” some of you guys are.

  • memory

    I don’t think Lebron is cool at all. He comes off a little corny to me. Especially the latest the video with Drake. Whenever I see Drake…I think Jimmy from Degrassi, since I watched Degrassi. So all I saw was Lebron looking awkward on stage with Jimmy Brooks.

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