Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010 at 1:48 pm  |  105 responses

NBA Top 25-Under 25

Ranking the L’s youngest players who go hard.

by Aaron Fischman / @AaronHartf

Welcome to the Top 25-Under 25! I could not be more thrilled for the opportunity to bring the Top 25-Under 25 to SLAMonline. Patrick Crawley and I created the concept in October of 2007 and, with the help of my brother, Joshua Fischman, the concept developed in to a tangible list by December of the same year. The list aims to rank the 25 best NBA players who are under the age of 25. The goal seems simple enough, but before I present the new list, you must be aware of my criteria for determining “the best.”

Because it is very subjective to rank the 25 best players under the age of 25 (or really to rank the 25 best of anything), we decided that we (the three of us) would each make individual rankings (1-35) and then average those to come up with our top 25. The five players who finished 26-30, are be classified as “On the cusp” below the list. Here’s how that first edition turned out.

Since the first edition, some things have changed. First of all, LeBron James placed first in every single edition, while he was still eligible. Once he turned 25 on December 30 this past season, the first position became vacant, which sets the stage for a new young baller to be crowned King of this list. Secondly, I will be the only voter on this edition, so I will have to make do without the help of my trusty sidekicks. Last but definitely not least (and probably most important), I have decided to tweak the criteria for making this version of the list.

Potential has become very minimal in considering a player’s position and even presence on this list. I say ‘minimal’ rather than ‘non-existent,’ because for players who have very similar professional credentials, I will err on the side of advancing the younger player. While potential is not explicitly ranked on this list, it will be invoked, indirectly, in that I care a lot about a player’s progression. For example, Russell Westbrook and Andrea Bargnani have shown huge improvements over the years, whereas the progression of Marvin Williams and JR Smith has essentially stalled. Daequan Cook and Thaddeus Young, for instance, have regressed and consequently, do not even place on this list. In other words, this list is more interested in assessing the “what have you done for me lately” factor (but not too recently…more like over a period of multiple months or years) rather than projecting where players will be in the future. Projecting potential is always fun, but avoiding potential makes this list slightly less subjective even though it is still, admittedly, very subjective.

I also should point out that winning is heavily weighted in determining if and where players appear on this list. More specifically, this is a valuable combination for a player in terms of placing high on this list: playing for a winning team and the player in question making a positive impact for that team. Playoff performance can also help or hurt a player’s stock. There will obviously be some exceptions. For instance, Monta Ellis and Tyreke Evans are the only two players in the top 10 who play for non-Playoff teams. Winning is non-essential. It just helps. Ellis and Evans are too talented to be pushed out of the top 10 simply because they played for sub-par teams. Brook Lopez is another good example. Although he plays for lowly Nets, his contributions were too impressive to discount. Fair or not, it does hurt a player’s stock if he is a member of a poor team. It can also hurt a player if he is on too good of a team. For instance, I suspect Jordan Farmar and Glen Davis would have logged far more minutes (and played decently well) if either were on a less talented roster. Unfortunately for those guys, they didn’t play enough to prove their spot on this list.

It’s tough for rookies to place on the list, but if a guy has consistently done big things during his rookie season, then he can and will appear. On this edition, three rookies cracked the top 25 and one even placed in the top 6. Two additional rookies finished “on the cusp” in the 26-30 positions. It’s so tough for rookies to make this list, because consistency is not typically a word used to describe rookies. Rookies who score 55 points in a single game, but can’t find their shooting stroke for weeks at a time, don’t exactly scream out ‘consistency.’ Someone like Brandon Jennings is very high on potential and will very likely finish a lot higher on this list in the future, but for now, he is clearly not ready to move up. The same goes for rookies and non-rookies who haven’t played enough like Bill Walker, Rodrigue Beaubois, Glen Davis, Goran Dragic, Greg Oden (injuries), DeJuan Blair, Reggie Williams and others.

Only players who are under 25 years old (24 or younger) as of July 1, 2010, are eligible to make this edition.

I honestly wish this was The Top 50-Under 25 because there were so many deserving guys who had to be left off. Still, the Top 50-Under 25 doesn’t have that ring to it, plus limiting the amount of honorees makes the list mean a whole lot more. So in the interest of giving you a more meaningful, and at the same time, digestible list, without further ado, here it is:

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  • ripslam

    Seriously? Michael Beasley and Kevin Love are rated higher than OJ Mayo, Brandon Jennings, and Eric Gordon. Getouttahere.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    Nice list. I think Stephen Curry should be slightly higher and that Jennings should be a lot higher.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Very nice list, but, please, Marvin Williams shouldn’t be anywhere near the top 25.

  • iheartcoffee

    Cool article but Mike Beasley is way to high on this list.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I was gonna say Howard should be number 1 cause of his accomplishments thus far but damn, it’s really hard to argue with your reasoning behind why Durant is number 1. Rose being top 5 is lovely too (though I think he should be above Smith). My only beef in this list is I think Russell Westbrook should be ahead of Al Horford and LaMarcus Aldridge.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    Also, if you’re going to say “winnings is heavily weighted” then Jennings should definitely be at least top 10-15.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Arek

    HA! Durant at #11? this list is horrible no offense

  • http://www.ballislife.com Arek

    wait nevermind what I said, I was looking at the Dec 2007 list

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Co-sign, Enigmatic.

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi Twersky

    Love the concept, but not the list.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    cool idea, some questionable placement.

  • http://screwjams.tumblr.com cramzy

    yall did Brandon Jennings in!I’d take him waaayyyy over Marvin Williams & Wilson Freakin Chandler…He’s at the very least top 20..right?

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    ^ Right.

  • rico

    Rose is rated way too high. Dude is an athletes, but not a good pg…..and don’t say I don’t know ball cuz i’m a chicago fan!

  • D12FSU

    If you we’re making just an overall list of best players, Kevin Durant would probably not crack the top 3, Dwight would (Kobe, Lebron, Dwight, then Durant/Wade) so i dont know why Dwights not #1 here……and yes Kobe is better than LeBron

  • http://aol.com RJ

    Really Brandon Jennings is all the way down there? Really?

  • Clay

    I’d be tempted to throw Darren Collison in the top 25, but I can’t question your decision. Russell Westbrook should be placed ahead of Bynum. Too much love for Beasley. He has struggled so far in the NBA finding a position. Even as a Pistons fan I know Stuckey shouldn’t be in the rankings. A couple years ago many (Joe Dumars at least) were high on him, but I never saw greatness. He’s not a pure point and his jumper is inconsistent while being only 6′ 4″.

  • jumpman3224

    cosign Everyone is who is questioning the placement of Jennings and Beasley.

  • Kap

    Jennings is very overrated…he is a streaky volume shooter with above average passing skills nothing more.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Rico – With your post, I SERIOUSLY gotta question your use of the phrase “Chicago fan”. I’m from the shadows of the Chi, son. Been down from Jordan to freakin’ Ron Mercer to the Roses, Jalen and now Derrick. From Rod Strickland to Mac Koshwal (what up, DePaul!) From Ronnie Fields to Jereme Richmond (Anthony Davis got next!). Man, I been watching Rose since his Simeon days. Ain’t no way he’s too high on this list. Who you gonna put over him? Monta Ellis? Michael Beasely? Rudy Gay? Come on now!

  • Kap

    Westbrook just came unto the scene this yr but Bynum has been slowly been doing his thing in Gasols shadow for 2-3 yrs now.

  • Alex z

    Danillo gallenari at30 and ” your boy” Brandon Jennings soooo low….

  • rico

    @enigmatic….hey man, i’m born an raised south side chi. anyone can see rose is overrated. he should be on the street ball circuit not trying to carry mj’s tourch.

    Let me guess….you’re a cubs fan!?!

  • david

    You got Wilson Chandler and Bargani on this list….WHERE THE HECK IS JJ HICKSON!!??

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Rico – Come on now, Rose is not out there trying to carry MJ’s torch. That’s not what he’s about. And I think you’re one of the few who would call him overrated. And I’m not a Cubs or a Sox fan, I hate baseball. But I do gotta admit, South Side > North Side.

  • Kap

    JJ Hickson??? Only Chris Broussard would think this guy belongs on this list. Chandler and Bargani actually see the court thats why theyre on the list.

  • http://www.shawnkemp.com JACO

    big heat and laker fan here and i just want to say beasley has game but spoelstra wont let him shine through his mistakes and as a young player he will make alot of them .

  • rainman10

    Considering this is SLAM, it would be nice to get somebody who can actually write to help with this article. It’s a nice concept, but some of his player evaluations are way off. He has Brandon Jennings ranked 25 because of consistency issues, but ranked JR Smith 19th and even cited inconsistent play by JR. And in the beginning he stated that winning has a lot to do with the rankings, and yet Eric Gordon and Wilson Chandler are just ahead of BJ. Really, George Hill is 7 spots ahead of Brandon Jennings? Imagine if the current George Hill was a rookie this past season with the likes of Evans, Curry, and Jennings. How many votes would he have gotten for rookie of the year? His 15, 3, and 3 averages as a starter would put him below those other guys.

  • rico

    @Enigmatic…..okay, we can be cool as long as you respect the south side. Maybe we could be friends….friends with benefits?!?

    I just have a hard time wit Rose cuz he’s from my hood and is just reinforcing the black stereotypes of us southsiders (he’s dumb and cheats). If the dude can study the game and play team ball he’ll find success. I’m much rather have a real pg though like d-will.

  • http://slamonline.com JL

    @kap I agree, jennings is good at other things but his shooting is woeful as I suspected when he was drafted. people are all excited when he was hot for the first couple months or something then took a straight nose dive.

    wilson chandler shouldn’t be there on the list cuz he has peaked, and his team sucked. if anything, gallinari is better than him (same team and all). but collison and thornton definitely have alot more potential and won more.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Rico – Rose ain’t got nothin’ on dudes like Josh Howard or Zach Randolph when it comes to “reinforcing black stereotypes”.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @rico – When it comes to “reinforcing black stereotypes” Rose ain’t got nothing on dudes like Josh Howard and Zach Randolph. If you from Englewood, you should know what Rose is all about. He’s a real humble dude and just wants to be the best at what he does. There’s no such thing as a “true pg” in today’s game, man. There probably never was. For every Bob Cousy, John Stockton, or Jason Kidd there’s always been an Oscar Robertson, Isiah Thomas or Tiny Archibald.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance

    It really makes no sense that your write-up basically says Beasely has yet to do anything in the NBA, but he’s better than these 10 other guys.

  • onlyclipsfanonslam

    I really don’t have a gripe about most of these players… but Marvin Williams is the only one who should not be on this list.

  • david

    @kap

    yea the reason Chandler and Bargani see the court is cause the play for sorry ass squads! JJ should’ve been playin over Jamison all along

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  • 21

    Wats with this.. Are you an intern?

  • KoolaidkiD

    Brandon Jennings’ fans are morons. Haha. Remember when he got that 55 point game (against the worst defensive team in the league, in the Golden State Warriors) and then couldn’t score above 20 for like 3 months straight. LMAO. Jennings is garbage. And this is coming from a DIE-HARD BUCKS FAN!!!! FEER THE DEER!!!!! START RIDNOUR!!!!

  • Exiled Zebra

    Hollins needs to decide that rudy is the man and have them play that way, but theyre sharing the ball all around, that is whats keeping rudy from 25ppg, and all stars. Gordon, collison and thornton should all be higher

  • Austin

    I’m going to say what every Blazers fan who reads this is thinking:

    WHERE THE HECK IS NIC BATUM?

    Seriously. He is good, NOW. Almost had 50/40/90 averages, defended the other teams’ best wing player most nights, is only 21. 2009 deadline, KP reportedly turned down Gerald Wallace for Batum and a large expiring…and that’s a pretty defendable decision.

    Also, Beasly sucks, Rose is athletic but inefficient so far, and you have some various typos that must have been missed in editing.

  • http://thacorner.net/forums Kevin

    Isn’t Tyreke a bit too high? I dont think I would place him above Westbrook

  • http://DavisSportsDeli.com/podcasts Aaron Fischman

    I just want to say that upon greater reflection and reading all the feedback, I agree that Jennings should have been slightly higher on winning, alone. Still, given that he’s an unproven, inconsistent rookie, let’s not get too ahead of ourselves. He belongs no higher than 21 or 22. My other mistake was that I put JR Smith a little too high (maybe Marv too).

    I understand and welcome all the feedback, and thanks guys for giving me your opinions! By the way, Jennings is sure to rise on the next edition. I just had to ignore his immense potential and what until he shows me consistency. Thanks for understanding.

  • http://DavisSportsDeli.com/podcasts Aaron Fischman

    wait until*

  • E

    OJ Mayo the best pure shooter? have you seen Steph Curry???

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    no Nicholas Batum on the last group!? you guys seem to not been payin to mutch attention..smh

  • Mucha

    Danilo Gallinari is clearly better than Marvin Williams and JR Smith, I mean please. I don’t think Michael Beasley’s 15 spots ahead of Gallinari either, they’re pretty much equal in terms of talent and production.

    Andrew Bynum and Al Horford should be ranked higher than Monta Ellis too.

    Interesting topic but poor list – no disrespect.

  • C-Lo-The-Great

    @ rico shoot urself and never talk nobody from the city hates on rose ur either a liar or a big time hater how you gonna say a guy who almost was the bulls entire offense is overrated s**t i got rose over rondo based on talent but grand theft rondo (love the nickname) has a ring and couldve had 2 cant hate on a champ

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    As a Hawks fan, I can say confidently that the only top-25 lists Marvin Williams belongs on are top-25 biggest draft busts and top-25 people under the age of 25 who walk like they are 75.

  • http://davissportsdeli.com Aaron Fischman

    Thanks for your concern, but Batum definitely was considered. I also nearly included Afflalo (Denver) because he’s a great defender for a playoff team. CJ Miles was strongly considered, among others. Oh by the way, JJ Hickson is a good player, but not deserving of this list just yet.

  • http://davissportsdeli.com Aaron Fischman

    James Harden, Thaddeus Young, Andray Blatche, Wesley Matthews, Jonny Flynn, Corey Brewer, Spencer Hawes, Jason Thompson, Speights, Jrue Holiday, Conley Jr, Ilyasova, Brandon Rush, Hibbert, Martell Webster, Bayless, Casspi, Daequan Cook, Mario Chalmers…I’m telling you guys. Every team has a guy or more whom his/their fans believe should be on here. From 21/22 until 30, it gets really dicey because none of the players are proven at all. But again, no one slips through the cracks. I have watched and researched all the eligible players.

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