Tuesday, June 15th, 2010 at 1:24 pm  |  223 responses

Stakes Is High?

Me, Myself and I. And Russ. And Ryan. And Jake. And Mutoni. And Kobe……

by Myles Brown / @mdotbrown

A meth addict gave me some good advice once. Or at least I thought it was.

“Image is everything.”

Similar adages, such as “a man lives by his reputation” or “perception is reality” had long existed, but for some reason the junkies resonated with me more. Probably because I saw it on television. Regardless, I heeded the advice because it made sense to me; since so much of your life is left to the control of others, who you believe yourself to be doesn’t matter as much as who others believe you are. The relationships, opportunities, privileges and epitaphs bestowed upon us are all based on who we are perceived to be. So live accordingly.

It wasn’t until later in life that I learned not to take advice from junkies. Image isn’t everything, because image-or perception-is purely subjective. Our thoughts and deeds are left to the interpretation of those who have been shaped by their own experiences. Everyone has their own biases, everyone doesn’t forgive-or forget, for that matter-and it’s simply impossible to please them all. We don’t see things as they are, we see them as we are.

Which brings us to Kobe Bryant.

This is his 14th season, one which has shown the effects of more than 35,000 minutes of basketball. He’s battled broken fingers, aging knees, a sprained ankle and an ailing back to the cusp of yet another championship, though he may fall short. Again. But no matter the result of this evenings contest-or Thursday’s, if necessary-the most impressive injury Bryant has overcome is one which he suffered quite some time ago. His psyche.

From the moment he slid those sunglasses off and announced his decision to go pro, he was perceived as a spoon fed primadonna. From the moment he entered the league alongside a man who would turn the marketing model on its ear, his racial identity has been questioned. From the moment he dared to question the work ethic of an established, but complacent superstar and the authority of a well decorated, but manipulative coach, he’s been deemed too ambitious. And from the moment he exited that hotel room, he surrendered the benefit of the doubt.

A series of moments, spliced into his highlight reel and the collective consciousness, the effects of which have left us with the man who stands here today, jaw jutted and eyes narrowed. A man who pretends not to give a fuck what you think while making it quite evident that he plays for your approval. Such is the dichotomy of being Kobe Bryant. For there is a distinct difference between being the one in the history book and being the one who writes it.

There are some who will tell you that this evenings events will ultimately shape his “legacy”, another subjective term. You won’t find them here. But alas, Kobe doesn’t give a fuck what we think. Right? Maybe you will.

After all, it’s not like we’re on drugs or anything…..

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by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

Kobe Bryant continues to have what is arguably the most fascinating, enthralling, frustrating, and bizarre career of any NBA Hall of Famer.

Things started off so promisingly, then disaster struck, and then he somehow pulled it all back together and redeemed himself in the court of public (and athletic) opinion.

Tonight — and potentially, Thursday night — he gets yet another opportunity to rewrite his story. His own brilliant, divisive, twisted, convoluted, and endlessly fascinating story.

A loss to Boston this summer provides his critics with plenty of ammunition: he’s no Jordan and never will be; he’s not the greatest Laker; the ’09 title was a “fluke”; he can’t make his teammates tougher and better; etc.

(Key thing to remember in all of this: Magic Johnson won five NBA championships. Along the way, Johnson and his Lakers lost in the title round FOUR times. And last time I checked, no one considers his career a let down in any way.)

A win, an improbable comeback against this determined, defensively-great Boston Celtics team validates what Kobe Bryant’s defenders have always known: he’s right up there with the G.O.A.T.; five titles in seven trips to the championship round can’t be denied; there’s plenty of time left to gobble up more gold trophies; he’s the best player on the planet, and has been for years.

In the end, none of that really matters. And then again, it all matters. Every twist, turn, triumph and defeat.

The man has had — and continues to have — an amazing run. Though his place in today’s game, and in the grand history of the League will continue to be debated breathlessly and endlessly, Bryant’s body of work will stand alone, without need for comparison to other greats.

When we look back on his career, no intelligent person is going to think to themselves, “Kobe was a great player. Could’ve been one of the greatest if only he found a way to beat those Boston teams in either 2008 or 2010.”

Bryant’s story won’t come to an end tonight, or even later on this week. This series — with all of its history, nostalgia, andgrainy video clips — will not define his legacy. It will serve as an important chapter in the grand book of his career and life.

There is plenty of basketball left for Kobe Bryant, many more chapters yet to be written.

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by Ryan Jones / @thefarmerjones

A win would help (a little), and a loss would hurt (a bit), but no matter the outcome of this year’s NBA Finals, Kobe Bryant’s legacy is pretty well set. Short of him winning at LEAST two more championships in L.A., Bean will be remembered in 10 or 20 years for what he was (or, I guess, is): A wonderful basketball player whose athleticism and competitiveness and F-U knack for late-game heroics brought him closer than anyone has ever been to Michael Jordan. We can argue scoring averages and nitpicks stats, but nobody who has actually watched both of them in their prime could argue that Kobe couldn’t do pretty much everything Mike did. He bit the style like a true method actor, Jamie Foxx in Ray, thoroughly believable and nearly as effective.

But again, only nearly.

In the legacy stakes, Kobe’s gate opened too late to ever really give him a chance. Dude didn’t have his own team until almost a decade into his career. Those first three rings will never be his, not in the way all six of the Bulls’ belong to Mike. Those Finals MVP statues will always belong to Shaq, now matter how clumsily he has stumbled to the finish, no matter how insecure he’s been, no matter that he wouldn’t have won them without Kobe. When Kobe got his fourth, it was, in a sense, only his first. It’s not fair, except that it is, and nothing he can do now will change it.

Two wins in the next three days would help, of course. Somehow making it a three-peat next year would help a lot. He’s in that top-10 conversation, maybe even nudging his way into the top half, but even then, he’s not Mike. Not quite. He’d need to top Jordan, do one thing clearly better than the guy whose game he has aped since Day 1. Can you see him winning three MORE? With that mileage, on those knees?

And if the Celtics close this out, and Kobe never wins another ring? He’s still got four. Rare air. Ridiculous totals and averages. Player of the ’00s, by a mile. Best player in what might be the best Draft class ever. Legendary. Either way.

Just not Mike.

Even if he is as good as Jordan, he’ll never be as good as Jordan. I long ago stopped trying to figure the dude out, so I don’t know if he can be content with that reality. For his sake, I hope so.

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by Jake Appleman / @JakeAppleman

According to Basketball-Reference.com, Kobe Bryant has played 1,217 total games in his career up to this point. According to the law of averages–or the average NBA career–that’s already a lot of basketball games. According to the Ed Rooney’s secretary, Kobe Bryant has never taken a day off from school. According to a lot of people–at least according to this email sent to me by Myles Brown–Kobe Bryant’s legacy can be defined, or significantly altered, by what he does in the next one or two games in Los Angeles. According to me, that might be one of the silliest things I’ve ever heard.

Kobe Bryant will still be Kobe Bryant–one of the greatest basketball players of all-time, and a man that occasionally struggles with a protruding jaw–regardless of the outcome of the 2010 NBA Finals. If the Lakers do what the ’94 Houston Rockets did and win games 1,3,6 and 7 of a rugged series against a phenomenal defensive outfit, it will be one more remarkable thing Kobe Bryant has done in his already remarkable career. If he fails, well, he put up a valiant effort–with some single-handed gunslinging for the ages–against a starting five that still hasn’t lost a series when healthy.

The reason we want what happens to Kobe to mean something in the annals of NBA history is because it gives us–the media and fans–the illusion of control over something we have no control of.

Basketball is a team game. If the Lakers lose, it means, in a seven-game series, the Lakers–the team that Kobe Bryant plays for and leads into battle–lost to the Boston Celtics. It means the team with four All-Star caliber players beat the team with two superstars and a fantastic supporting cast. And it means, finally, that you, the beholder, have the choice to place uncredited, irrelevant *importance* on the legacy of a single player because that’s your prerogative as an American in this wonderfully corrupt democracy. Nothing more. Nothing less. You won’t be deciding anything that hasn’t already been decided. You’ll just be talking; something that can, admittedly, be very fun.

Win, lose or draw (brought upon by some sort of awful land oil spill fire apocalypse) Kobe Bean Bryant will still be the NBA’sDexter: the basketball player that kills basketball players.

With maybe twelve exceptions.

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by Russ Bengtson / @russbengtson

Kobe Bryant has played 45,092 NBA minutes in his career. He’s played in 196 playoff games, appeared in seven NBA Finals, won four titles. He’s failed over and over and over again in his… whoops, wrong line. Anyway, he’s done all that, accomplished so much, yet we’re supposed to believe that the next game – or possibly two — will be the ones that define his entire legacy?

Please.

If he wins, what of it? He still has fewer rings than Jordan, only ties Magic (who, by the way, won his five rings in nine Finals appearances. I’m not so good at math, but I think that means he lost in the Finals four times). Either way, win or lose, Kobe winds up with the vague distinction of being “in the discussion” with Jordan as the greatest ever. For your convenience, I’ve transcribed that discussion here:

“You know, Kobe Bryant is every bit as good a player as Michael Jordan was. Jordan always talked about how he wouldn’t have gotten to where he did if he wasn’t able to stand on the shoulders of guys like Doc and David Thompson. Can’t Kobe say the same thing? He built his game off Jordan’s blueprint, and Magic’s, and Bird’s. I know he only has four/five rings, I know he’s lost in the Finals, I know he didn’t win them all as the undisputed alpha dog, but it’s a different era, with different competition. Right? Is it so unreasonable to consider Kobe the best player of all time?”

“Yes.”

“But why? Jordan had Scottie Pippen, who was his near-perfect complement in every way. He had the benefit of playing for Phil Jackson before everyone in the League knew what his methods were. And his opponents were all fatally flawed in some way. Who was the best team the Jordan-era Bulls ever beat? The Jazz? The Sonics? Do any of those teams even make the Finals in the current West? Isn’t it entirely possible that Jordan’s perfect record in the Finals had as much to do with luck as it did with his oft-cited – and Nike reinforced – indomitable will?”

“No.”

“F*ck it, let’s order a pizza.”

Let’s say that the Celtics go on to win one of these final two games. Does that mean Paul Pierce – or Kevin Garnett – is better than Kobe Bryant? Does it mean they want it more? Of course not. All it means is that the 2010 Celtics were better than the 2010 Lakers for two weeks in June.

What if the Lakers win? After all, all they need to do is protect home court. This is what they played all season for. And in order to do that, they need more from Kobe’s alleged supporting cast. He can’t rebound for them, or hit free throws for them, or stop them from taking ill-advised threes. (Well, he could do that, but it would be unprecedented.) Either way, a team will win this Finals.

As for Kobe’s legacy, well, that’s already been determined in the hearts and minds of journalists and fans and Hall of Fame voters everywhere. Is it possible that these next 48 minutes negate the past 45,000? As Kobe himself, might say: No. Not at all.

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  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @The Philosopher…Wes Unseld? How did he creep into this conversation? What’s your point?

  • The Philosopher

    @Bryan Crawford: Just responding from your 2:16 p.m. comment… and Allen’s 2:13p.m. comment.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @The Philosopher…You respond to my comment by asking me about Wes Unseld and if I think he’s a HOF C? How should I know? I mean, all I saw of him was a few highlights and his numbers, so I guess so. But I know one thing, he’s not a HOF PG no more than Magic is a HOF C. Or PF. Or SF. Or even SG. Magic is a HOF PG and that’s it. I mean, I hate to break it to you like this, but Earv would not have gone into the Hall at any of those other positions. He would’ve been very below average as a full-time wing player/shooter/scorer and mediocre at F or C. Sorry.

  • http://www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com Tarzan Cooper

    Stop typing

  • The Philosopher

    Well, I guess I’ll just have to live with Magic being a Hall of Fame center… even IF it was for one night for the Championship as a 6’9″ rookie point guard. I feel you.

  • The Philosopher

    @Bryan Crawford: And when Magic came back, he was a power forward, albeit not a HOF PF, but at that point… it didn’t matter. He showed glimpses of what would have been, despite how old and overweight he was. Fact.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @The Philosopher…ONE jump ball in ONE Finals game does not make one a HOF center, sorry. You know better, I know you do. Unless you just want to feel like you’re right about this, I suggest you abandon your theory.

  • BostonBaller

    ^^^I DO just want to be right about this. Hey, I tried, man. Lol.

  • The Philosopher

    5:28p.m. comment was me… I don’t know how that happened.

  • C.B

    the Jake Appleman article is stupid, it’s just making you think one way. Yeah shaq was the main man, but its not like kobe was a bench player. If you watch those games, kobe contributed like 48 percent, and made some important plays. They both couldn’t have won without each other. Shaq just gets more credit cause he was the face of the NBA back then and he was the laker’s number 1 option. But Kobe was still a huge part, and they wouldn’t have won any of them without Kobe.
    peace out
    Lakers are gona win on thursday by 6 points :) )

  • http://fklf.com Jukai

    I’m not sure who was better, Larry or Kobe… that’s a real REAL toughie.
    Larry’s a better rebounder and passer
    Kobe’s a better defeneder
    I mean, I guess it boils down to scoring. Kobe’s better, but how MUCH better. Now, I consider Kobe a better shooter than Larry Bird.
    DON’T RIP OFF MY HEAD! THINK ABOUT IT!
    Spot up shooting? Larry Bird wins hands down. But Larry Bird had his spots. He picked the spots he wanted to shoot and went to them. Kobe has no spots. He shoots ANYWHERE. Larry Bird obviously had the smarter offensive game, but Kobe can literally get his shot off anywhere at anytime… not sure Larry Bird could do that. He didn’t need to cause he was so smart and crafty, he could get to the spots he knew he could score in. Kobe doesn’t need that. He’s too good of a shooter.
    I think… I think Bird was still better. I think Bird’s passing/rebounding was greater than Kobe’s scoring/defense. But, well, quite honestly, every game I see Kobe play, I slowly change my opinion.

  • http://fklf.com Jukai

    The argument that Larry played with better players is a bit overstated though. O’Neal is near Kobe’s equal… no one was NEAR Bird’s level on his team. Parish was vastly overrated. Look at him before Boston: lower scoring, lower percentages. Ainge too was way overrated. Dude was literally a poor man’s Dan Majerle.
    DJ and McHale are probably underrated though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    about scoring on kobe vs. bird, if Larry had at least 70% of kobe’s athleticism then he is the better shooter/scorer. thats why kobe can create anywhere and bird picks his spots. i agree with jukai that larry was a smarter offensive player that’s because he cant score anywhere. he have to pick on the spots where he is most efficient/effective. bird may be a better shooter,including the 3 point range, (spot up) but he’s not the slasher type cause not that he can’t drive, his athletic abilty doesn’t allow him to. that’s the advantage kobe has, his athleticism though may have faded it still better than larry has ever had.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    ok maybe lets not argue with “if player A have this strength/speed that Player B have or so…” lets just deal in what they are and that’s why Kobe is a better scorer that Bird. im not tarnishing Bird because of his lack of athletic ability, but there’s no denying thats an advantage of bryant. in terms of mental toughness i say they are pretty even, defense to kobe, bird have rebounding and passing (note: a little of topic, but bird’s passing ability is great but not at magic’s level)

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    See, Bird passing ability is considered better, because he had more people around him to finish, Anige, Barkley even calls McHale the best post player he ever played against, D Johnson, Parish and many more.

    I truly believe if Jerry West is a better player than Larry Bird. Kobe is better than Bird.

    *Larry Bird- 3× NBA Champion (1981, 1984, 1986), 2× NBA Finals MVP (1984, 1986), 3× NBA MVP (1984-1986), 12× All-Star (1980-1988, 1990-1992), 1980 NBA Rookie of the Year, 1× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1982), 3× NBA Three-Point Shootout Winner (1986-1988). Is regarded by many to be one of the most clutch shooters in the history of the league.

    -Career Stats: 24.3ppg, 10.0rpg, 6.3apg, 496%fg, 376%3pt, 886%ft

    *Jerry West- 1x NBA Champion (1972), 1969 NBA Finals MVP (In a losing effort), 14× NBA All-Star (1961–74), 1972 NBA All-Star MVP. The NBA symbol, nicknamed “Mr. Clutch”.

    -Career Stats: 27.0ppg, 5.8rpg, 6.7apg, 474%fg, 814%ft, they didn’t have 3-pointers back then.

    Kobe is better Larry, No question about that. the real question is Larry Bird better and Jerry West. I looked up Birds MVP numbers they were average numbers because Bird avearged about 24 points his career about 9 rebs and 6 assists. BUT his Celtics always had best records so he got more credit, even though he had about two players averaging 20 points and another player close to 20 points. Larry got benefit of playing with great players NO QUESTION.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    GUESS WHO LARRY BIRDS FAVORITE PLAYER IN NBA IS?
    During halftime of Game 1 of the NBA Finals, ABC aired an interview between Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant in which Johnson revealed Larry Bird considers Bryant his favorite player. Turns out Bryant has a one-sided love-hate relationship with Bird.

    Johnson: Larry Bird told me that Kobe Bryant is his favorite player. How do you respond to that?

    Bryant: You know what? That makes me feel, that makes me feel great. You know, I hated Larry growing up. I did, I hated his guts. But I loved him as a player and his work ethic and his intensity, his tenacity and I wanted to be that way. And the funny thing is, I’ve never actually met Larry Bird.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw played alongside Boston’s Larry Bird in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Shaw also was a teammate of Kobe Bryant during the Lakers’ title days in the early 2000s.
    Having played with both of them, I’ve said it before, I haven’t seen any player prepare for the game to the level Kobe does. It encompasses everything, from stretching to icing, to watching film, working on your moves, working on weaknesses, come early, respecting the game, understanding those who came before you … that’s a big part of it, too.
    Now, mind you, everybody’s talent level and drive isn’t the same, but in terms of effort this guy, Kobe, is going out there and playing 40 minutes a night and giving it to you on both ends of the floor, and then he comes in the next day at practice and he’s going hard. You as a teammate better be going hard at practice.
    BOOK IT!!!

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    My 7:46am comment about Kobe being Bird favorite player was during the 2009 Finals last year interview with Magic, Not 2010 NBA FINALS. I’M DONE!!!

  • The Philosopher

    Magic and Larry elevated the games of the players on their teams better than any players in NBA history. In my humble opinion. That, along with my opinion of Magic having the ability to be a Hall of Famer at any position. Again, opinion.

  • http://fklf.com Jukai

    @J: Yep, Kobe is an underrated shooter cause of his percentages. Kobe, like Miller, literally had no spots. He shoots ANYWHERE. I would like to point out, though, that Bird was a superior post player to Kobe. Way better than Kobe. But Kobe is a better shooter and slasher. Bird is a better post player and more efficient scorer. So Kobe’s a better scorer, the question is, when comparing the two, how much?
    @The Seed: Doesn’t it say something that, when Bird had average stats but a ludicrous winning team, he won MVP… but when Kobe had a ludicrous winning team, Shaq won MVP?
    The 2000 Lakers weren’t as good as the 1986 Celts… but a few things to note, competition was weaker for the Lakers, and Larry had NO one near as good as Shaq in any semblance of that term.

  • http://fklf.com Jukai

    And as I said, people are really confused about who was good and who was not on the Celts… DJ was one of the best defensive PGs ever, and McHale is top-5 top-6 PF of all time…. but Parish is a second rate center (not even top-20) and Ainge is not even as good as Fisher or Horry.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ainge isn’t as good a defender as Fisher, but he was a scrappy defender and good shooter, including off the bounce. Fisher has only recently improved his off the bounce game, back in the day he was strictly a spot up shooter.
    I think Horry is overrated, and DJ was the 1979 Finals MVP if I’m not mistaken.
    Parish was talented. He’s better than Horry, Travis Knight, Rick Fox, Elden Campbell and old Horace Grant, and those are the cats who played power forward for the Lakers with Shaq.
    McHale was great on offensive, not so hot on the boards or on defense.
    My gut says Kobe is a better scorer. But, the argument that he can do more, but not necessarily do it better does resonate with me to some degree. I tend to give extra points to cats who can do more, but I don’t know if that’s fair.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    Allenp: DJ getting the 1979 Finals MVP was considered one of the most bizarre awards ever given, if you read about it. Gus Johnson averaged 28.9 points and pretty much controlled the tempo of the game. DJ also screwed up several key times during the playoffs, including a dumb foul that gave the Wizards their only victory. So it’s a bit hard to see why he was given the award. In fairness, that’s one of the few Finals series I haven’t watched a game of, but I’ve read several writers complain about that.
    Still, that being said, he’s still quite underrated in the annals of time. He played both PG and SG pretty damn well, was one of the best perimeter defenders of all time, great slasher… I mean, he was relatively uncoachable half his career, but he did win three championships with two separate teams… Rodman was uncoachable too, y’know.
    Also, McHale wasn’t a good rebounder and defender? He was considered one of the best defensive fours of his day, so that comment was really quite strange to me. He is a six time all-defensive NBA player, three of them first team. He also brought in 8-9 rebounds a game, a crazy feat when you realize he played with Larry Bird, who instinctually knew where every rebound would drop, Robert Parish, who was 7’1 and would plant himself under the basket, and DJ, who was actually an extraordinary rebounder for his size. I don’t know how you could say McHale was not so hot on defense and rebounding. Perhaps you should relook into him?
    Final point: Kobe IS a better scorer, pretty clear to me. Why I say Larry Bird is still better… and that may change as Kobe’s career plays out… is that I don’t think Kobe’s scoring is so superior to Larry’s that it offsets what Larry brings to the game. I don’t know if Kobe is a lot better at scoring, or just a tiny bit better at scoring…. y’know?

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