Thursday, July 1st, 2010 at 5:03 pm  |  65 responses

A Bad Idea

The Commish doesn’t dig the possible LeBron-Wade hookup in Miami.

by Vincent Thomas / @vincecathomas

Last Friday, to commemorate Michael Jackson’s passing, Vibe Magazine ran an oral history of the MJ vs. Prince rivalry. There were stories about Prince scoping out the Victory tour to get an idea of how to one up MJ with his Purple Rain tour and, then, MJ attending four nights of Prince’s Purple Rain concerts, probably on a similar mission. But my favorite anecdote came from Alan Leeds, who managed James Brown’s tours before linking up with Prince’s camp. The story goes like this: MJ wrote “Bad” — the eponymous, mega-smash-hit single off MJ’s 8x-platinum follow up to Thriller – as a duet for him and Prince. An “event” video was to follow with both as performers. Prince ultimately backed out. Why? As Leeds, conveyed, Prince thought “it would have forever been Michael’s video with Prince as just a guest. So that captured what the relationship couldn’t be.”

It doesn’t matter where your allegiance falls in the MJ-Prince debate or whether you think Prince was ever MJ’s equal; the fact is that MJ was huge and Prince was huge. And PrinLeBron James & Dwyane Wadece was too big to be a “guest.” I love that story because it reminds me of the complex player-relationships in sports between rivals and, sometimes, teammates.

I bring this up in the context of the NBA’s free agency bonanza and the prospect that we could see LeBron James joining Dwyane Wade in Miami as his “guest” for the next four years. How and why is this a good idea?

When covering the 2006 Eastern Conference finals, I wrote a piece about Dwyane Wade perfectly playing the beta-male role to Shaq’s alpha-male. Wade, in just his third season, was already a better, more impactful player than Shaq, who was in the beginning stages of decline; but, Wade willfully dulled his ego and, at least from a personality standpoint, ceded team-supremacy to Shaq throughout that championship run. That was four years ago, though. LeBron and DWade are now both thoroughly alpha-male figures. And — if you’ll allow me a soccer reference — in this circus-scenario of teaming LeBron and Wade, somebody’s gotta wear the No. 10 jersey. That’s how it works. So, thusly, Bron and Wade teaming up in Miami won’t work because it can’t work.

Think about actors George Clooney and Brad Pitt. I’m sure they have a ball making “Ocean’s” films every three years. But could you imagine those dudes agreeing to co-star in every film they make for the next decade? Of course, not. Clooney left the ensemble drama ER to be a leading man. Wade and LeBron are leading men. They can satisfy this teammate-jones every two years with Team USA. Playing 82 to 100-plus games per season together? There’s simply no precedent for this.

The Lakers and Celtics of the ‘80s are sometimes offered as examples of multi-star teams. And, I get that. Both Bron and DWade need and deserve to run with a fellow All-Star or two. But Bird and McHale or Magic and Kareem ain’t DWade and LeBron. You’d have to envision Magic and Bird proactively joining forces in 1985 to properly analogize the possible LeBron-Wade duo. Magic could barely handle sharing play-making duty with Norm Nixon — imagine the physical and philosophical tug’o'war there would have been Bird. Why would either player have wanted that? Why would us fans have wanted that? The Lakers-Celtics rivalry of the ‘80s would not have existed and the Magic and Bird legends that we know now wouldn’t exist. Their legacies and dramatic career archs were byproducts of their rivalry and their roles and responsibilities to their squads.

And, as fans, wouldn’t you rather want LeBron leading a juggernaut in, say, Chicago, battling for a championship against a Wade-lead juggernaut in Miami and Kobe’s juggernaut in Los Angeles? There are complimentary stars galore in this class. Chris Bosh, Amar’e Stoudemire, Carlos Boozer, Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson — let one of those dudes latch on to LeBron or Wade and keep the two goliaths separate. That’s drama…as opposed to them spending the next five years dancing an alpha-male tango as some hardwood version of The Beatles.

Speaking of The Beatles, last year, Rolling Stone — in the cover story “Why The Beatles Broke Up” — documented the forces that tore The Beatles apart. One of those forces was John Lennon and Paul McCartney’s tango turning in to a tussle in 1969 while The Beatles were recording Let It Be. Mikal Gilmore wrote: “For the last year, the Beatles’ partnership had been fraying. The long friendship of John and Paul, in particular, was undergoing volatile change. Lennon, the band’s founder, had in some ways acquiesced leadership of the band; more important, he was beginning to feel he no longer wanted to be confined by the Beatles…”

Can’t you envision that in Miami? I could see LeBron gradually grabbing the leadership reigns and frustrating Wade, who’s been The King of Miami for about five years. Or maybe LeBron, for a variety of reasons, consistently cedes alpha-male status to DWade and it produces nothing but tension. What then? We know how it ended for The Bealtes. Lennon bounced. A more contemporary example is Bobby Brown, who couldn’t exist in the shadow Ralph Tresvant cast over ‘80s and ‘90s R&B group New Edition (the Jackson 5 of their time), so, toward the end of his first stint with the group, he’d do things like breakout of their choreographed, nouveau-Temptations dance routines and gyrate and crotch-pump for 10 or 15 seconds.

Who knows how long it would take to turn in to a bad marriage? I just know that it’s not natural. Ensemble casts aren’t for leading men.

Vincent Thomas is a columnist and feature writer for SLAM, a contributing commentator for ESPN, writes the weekly “From The Floor” column and co-hosts the Hang Time Podcast for NBA.com. You can email him your feedback at vincethomas79@gmail.com or follow him on Twitter at @vincecathomas.

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  • Sean B

    I agree that LBJ and Dwade should stay on seperate squads. and while we’re here: Prince > MJ

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  • http://thekobebeef.wordpress.com LDR4

    MJ > Prince, LBJ > Wade.

  • ccantrell

    i have been on this same page the entire time.. bad idea..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    Well said. There is no way these two will mesh because LeBron will put D-Wade in his shadow and it will piss Wade off then they will clash on the court

  • http://www.clownpenis.com Tarzan Cooper

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  • 6marjons

    i agree with sean b although both artists are different entities

  • David

    I think they’d do just fine together. And ‘Bad’ was on the album of the same name. ‘Dangerous’ was years later.

  • http://soundcloud.com/boy-sanchez Boy Sanchez

    Michael Jackson was WAY bigger than Prince.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He said “equal.”
    That’s a loaded word.

  • http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:OzhW3M1GBSKkgM:http://fashionsensei.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/jackie-moon.jpg Jackie Moon

    Tayshaun Prince < Michael Jordan

  • kenNY

    @SeanB not even close, NEVER

    MJ>>>Prince, all day, everyday

  • ccantrell

    michael jackson was everything that prince always wanted to be.. michael jackson was always the best n prince was not even in his shadow lol he was simply not even close to what mj was n certainly could never impact the world as mj has

  • Sean B

    I never said prince was bigger than mj, because he wasn’t. both are great, just my humble opinion is that prince is a better musician/artist.

  • ccantrell

    the fact that u like prince over mj in now way means that he is a better musician or artist.. facts are facts bro.. mj the best

  • http://www.clownpenis.com Tarzan Cooper

    Ralph Tresvant < Jonnie Gill

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yo Yo Ma < Mstislav Rostropovich

  • Sean

    Ya dude, leave out the references to sports you know nothing about…wtf is this no. 10 business about?

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    I gotta agree with Sean B, I enjoyed Prince > MJ. I also think he was a better musician/artist considering all the different instruments he played and versatility of his songs. However, it’s clear that MJ was much ‘bigger’ from a perspective of fan base (I think largely because he was more of a ‘Pop’ artist who parents didn’t mind thier kids listening to). MJ was also a better performer (I’ve seen them both live). If the only music I could listen to for the rest of my life was eitehr Prince or MJ – I would choose Prince hands down.

  • T-Money

    sean: the no 10 analogy was actually spot on. you’re sure you’re not the one that doesn’t know anything about football?

  • Cam Jones

    I don’t think we will see either Lebron or Wade, gyrate and crotch pump for 10-15 ,but then again I might have missed the point lmao

  • Cam Jones

    I don’t think we will see either Lebron or Wade, gyrate and crotch pump for 10-15 ,but then again I might have missed the point lmao

  • hoodsnake

    Yeah nows not the time. They can look into it 6 years from now though? DWade will be 34 and Bron will be 31 then…

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Allenp is correct. LBJ is no where near Wade.

  • Khalid Salaam

    i don’t know, i think a wade/james combo could work. i for one would love to see it. granted, a team like that would make it tough for the east and consequently my sixers, but as a bball fan–its awesome….Btw, bobby brown> ralph tresvant, clooney>pitt, mccartney>lennon, and mj just barely>prince (prince is my dude but human nature, wanna be starting something & man in the mirror pushes mj over the top)

  • The Philosopher

    Michael Jackson is the Greatest of All Times. Period.

  • millertime

    D-Wade owns the killer instinct that LeBron and all his physic cant match. Simply put if I were starting a team and had to choose between Flash and Prince James I’m taking Flash. Wade knows he can win on his own, as he has. But LeBron needs to be the robin to someone’s Batman if he wants a ring. And with the up-and -coming Thunder (Durantula) I dont see Prince James winning one anytime soon unless the Dynamic Dual comes together.

  • The Philosopher

    Now, being that there is no precedence for this kind of prospective undertaking, (D. Wade, The King, or even Bosh) to many of us, that fact makes this even more appealing.
    We all know that this may or may not happen, but if it does happen… one can just imagine the immediate impact on The Game.
    Maybe little kids can believe that all of the best players CAN play on one TEAM.

  • The Philosopher

    @Vincent Thomas:
    Great story.
    I have an interesting story regarding the Prince and Michael Jackson connection. I’ll email it to you if you would like to hear it… I’m SURE you know this story, too.

  • Omar

    MJ > Prince
    LBJ > Wade
    Clooney > Pitt
    Magic > Bird
    Ralph > Bobby

  • Jesse Dunns Ghost

    Jesse Dunn>Lang Whitaker

  • http://www.facebook.com/JustinRColeFL Justin

    This was great. I’d still like to see DWade and LBJ team up in my old hometown despite the convincing argument. Loved the Prince v. MJ comparison. Can’t pick between the two. Prince is probably a better pure musician, while MJ was a better overall entertainer. The VIBE story was great.

    @The Philosopher:
    What’s the Prince/MJ story?

  • The Philosopher

    @Justin:
    The story goes like this:
    Another reason why Prince didn’t want to do the “BAD” single with Jackson was because the first lines of that single are, “Your butt is mine,”… and so on.
    Well, Prince said he didn’t feel comfortable being on a song singing that line to another ‘man’. So, he declined.

  • giogolo

    Anyone who likes a dude who sings “BEtcha BY Golly Wow” and appears in skimpy,colorful outfits with weird,”stylish” feminine hairdos such as TAFKAP is GAY. Nevermind MJ with his cases. Any man who can afford to appear in videos dressed as funky as Prince is gay. Look at his face.Gay.
    At least MJ really rocked it with his music.

  • Jordan Zimmerman

    This is so stupid Wade and Lebron are two very different players if Lebron was only 6-4 220 instead of 6-8 250 he would not be half as good and that is a Scientific Fact

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Lets keep it real. MJ was gay and Prince was not. Prince act like that to get MJ’s gay fans. People forget the gay community loved MJ espically gay white men and he loved them back. Why yall think MJ wasn’t linked to alot of women. Prince was very creative and knew his man hood. Its funny some cats comparing Lebron and Wade. Wade is the better overall player, to many cats are in love with stats. I like when the game is on the line, how they play. I would want Wade on my team, before Lebron. Lebron pride will bring him down, I don’t doubt that, just pick a team and get it over with. I KNOW LEBRON KNOWS WHERE HE WANTS TO GO. He has had over two years to prepare for this moment. IF he is not prepared to know which team he wants to go to he is a PUPPET like TUPAC was a PUPPET to SUGE KNIGHT. BOOK IT!!!

  • http://djfklfl.com Jukai

    The flaw in this article:
    It doesn’t have to work for 6-8 championships.
    Just two or three championships.
    Yes, either Wade will eventually get aggravated by playing in Lebron’s shadow or Lebron will no longer want to be the off-ball distributor ala Pippen to Wade’s Jordan…. but why do we believe this will happen right away?
    Kobe and Shaq won three championships before their gigantic egos ripped them apart. One can even claim they won a championship while both being the alpha male. No true sports analyst takes away either ones’ accomplishments… so why be angry if the Lebron/Wade tandem can only last two or three years? The Celtics trio only worked once, but it enhanced the careers of all three guys VASTLY.
    And yeah, Ocean’s consisted of the ego heavy trio of Clooney, Damon, and Pitt three times— sooooo… not sure why this was a good comparison.

  • http://djfklfl.com Jukai

    The Seed: sounds like someone’s projectinggggggg

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Jukai
    Lebron will be seen as coming to Wade’s team to win a title. Kobe/Shaq is not a a good metaphor, because Kobe was drafted and Shaq was signed as the alpha dog. They played together when Kobe was sitting behind Eddie Jones for playing time. Kobe in his prime and Shaq in his prime signing together to play is like Wade/Bron now. It wouldn’t work. I think Lebron is the one who would get upset, because people will view him as coming to Wade’s home to win. Lebron best bet is to play in Cleveland and hope to win two rings and get a statue in from of the stadium. Wade has a ring and win always have one up Lebron, by doing it by himself. Pippen got tired of MJ, there were articles he wanted to leave, plus Pippen led 1994 team should have been in NBA Finals, but because of a bad call. Bron wants the ball and plus Wade has a killer instinct that would want him to demand the ball with time left. IT WOULD NOT WORK. BOOK IT!!

  • http://djfklfl.com Jukai

    The Seed: nooo… guarantee history wont care about Lebron coming to Wade’s team to win a championship. Did anyone care about Wilt Chamberlain going to the Lakers with West to win a championship?
    Pippen got tired of playing with MJ but still did it for nine/ten years. I’m sure Lebron and Wade will have their kinks but they can work it out.
    After all, both players are vastly different from Kobe and Shaq: two players whose career assists are 7.5 combined… Lebron and Wade have 13.7 assists between them. They like setting up other players. It’s EASY to them. With a decent coach (not Spolestrafjklwhatever), you don’t think there could be plays run where Wade/Lebron could work off the ball and easily get the ball to each other? F it, it’d be alleyoop city.
    Not to mention BOTH Wade and Lebron are tired of doing it all… Lebron’s tired of his teammates slumping in key moments…. Wade’s tired of carrying everyone by himself…. I bet you it WILL work.
    Wade and Lebron sign with New Jersey, sign-and-trade Lee from New York, then sign a couple good shooters… yer set. Book it. Egos wont come into play till the championships start piling and the guys start fighting on who gets to keep them for the weekend.

  • The Philosopher

    LeBron wouldn’t defer to Wade in The Clutch, but will defer to a “Damon Jones” in The Clutch? I’m asking this respectfully.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I don’t think Pippen ever got tired of playing with MJ, he got tired of getting paid two million a year by Jerry Reinsdorf while much lesser cats were making four times as much.

  • http://djfklfl.com Jukai

    I think that statement about Pippen getting tired of Jordan was just insane… how do you play for nearly a decade and win six championships and you were ‘tired of playing with Jordan.’ That’s straight dumb right there.

  • C-Lo-The-Great

    pip never got tired of jordan i dont know where you guys get this info probably from same source espn gets their info pip and jordan were real close according to the documentaries ive seen on jordan

  • The Philosopher

    Jordan got tired of Pippen, though.

  • http://Egotastic.com Michael

    @Jukai

    Lebron & Wade get all of those assists becasue the ball is always in their in hands. Neither lebron or wade has show to be very proficient in scoring without the basketball.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    @Michael; Wade maybe yes, but I always thought that Lebron was damn good at scoring without the ball. The problem was that he never had a point guard (or coach) to utilize that part of his game. I’ve never see him cut, get an alley or good pass, and not at least get fouled or/and finish ferociously.

  • The Philosopher

    co-sign Spaceship Jay.

  • C-Lo-The-Great

    so mj got tired of th reason he has 6 rings? yea because that totally makes sense

  • The Philosopher

    During Jordan’s last year in Chicago, Scottie was acting up.

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