Friday, July 16th, 2010 at 9:00 am  |  97 responses

Dwyane Wade: LeBron James’ Defender

by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

They’ve yet to play a single game together, but already, D-Wade is handing out plenty of assists to LeBron James.

Dwyane had a chat with the Associated Press yesterday, and spent much of it defending James’s disappointing and bewildering performance against the Celtics in the Playoffs.

Flash isn’t buying any of Dan Gilbert’s looniness about LeBron having quit on his team:

Wade said he watched every game in Cleveland’s second-round series against Boston, the team that eliminated the Heat in the opening round of the postseason. The Celtics used a similar defensive scheme against James as they did against Wade to open the playoffs, throwing a slew of challenges in the way of both.

“LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, guys like that understand what Boston’s defense was about,” Wade said. “Their defense was built on not letting one player beat them. You either settle for the outside shot or you pass to your teammates. LeBron had one bad game in the playoffs. Other than that, he did what he could do with the defense all watching him.”

“I don’t see where you can get where he quit,” Wade said. “He just had one bad game. It happens. Kobe had a bad game in the finals. They won. It didn’t matter. LeBron’s teammates didn’t help him out that game and it made the way he played even worse. But he’s not a quitter. He didn’t quit.”

Dwyane is clearly the only person in the LBJ camp who knows anything about spinning good PR. James ought to think about hiring him to help turn the tide of public opinion on him.

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  • The Philosopher

    The King’s calvary. Dwyane Wade.

  • jpbl1976

    Hilarious that Wade referred to himself in the third person. He’s clearly learning something from ‘Bron as well.

  • http://www.threadsandkicks.com.au Eduardo

    C’Mon what did you expect Wade to say? That statement might as well have come from Maverick Carter.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Hey, someone from SLAM, can we get a write up on Scottie Reynolds? He went un-drafted and should something to watch if he makes it onto the Suns roster!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    be something to watch***

  • Hill

    that’s what “brother” means.James just done nothing wrong

  • neaorin

    I’ve seen LeBron struggle in the playoffs plenty. Games 2 and 5 were NOT that.

  • rayray

    Lebron quit on Cleveland – but hey im just saying.

  • http://kamndestiny@yahoo.com swisha sweet

    cleveland sucked before n after lebron. a city full of cry babys n haters.. get off lebrons nuts, in go find a player dat wants to play in your rotten town,on dat rotten roster…. ill never visit cleveland a day n my life,cause i know what u people r made of … he dont owe yall shit…..gave ya da best 7 years youll ever have, face it u want b in the playoffs for a long time…and your football team stinks even more. lebron needed to seperate his self from a bunch of hillbilly loosers. welcome to da Florida Lebron

  • JoeMaMa

    Actually, LeBron’s biggest defender will be Nike. They’ll make a few commercials, put out some shoes and shirts, and the Americian riff raff will lap it up as usual. Don’t doubt the idiocy of the public when it comes to funny 30 second spots and well placed swooshes.
    Oh, and those who continue to shake their heads at this circus will be branded ‘haters’. I don’t really care about LeBron’s decision, but the subsequent PR work is going to assault our intelligence and turn my stomach.

  • Tommy Patron

    Excellent. I hope LeBroad continues to not quit in all future playoff appearances. I live in Chicago.

  • underdog

    This upcoming season will be packed with hilarious comments and plenty of whineing. I’m expecting Chris Bosh to be the first unsatisfied player, somewhere around the 5th game of the reg. season.

  • Sparty’s Law

    He’s a quitter.

  • rikson

    “Don’t doubt the idiocy of the public when it comes to funny 30 second spots and well placed swooshes.” -> LOL… great stuff!

  • Javy

    Look Wade, now that I am going to ride on your back, please tell them to stop calling me names. I don’t like them. They’re saying I quit….Please Wade I don’t like them!….tell them to stop!!….Bosh are you there?…come quick!!

  • kundai

    he isnt a quitter i just beleive he was overall frustrated with the situation happening again and agian and nobody could help him like kobe or wade in 06.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    I don’t like to throw the Q word around, but saying LBJ’s teammates didn’t help him out? C’Mon. He was standing, not moving at all, in no-man’s land not looking to even be a factor for most of the game and during huddles simply looked as though he doesn’t care. Most Cavs fans I know feel that he did all of this because he knew he was going to leave and wanted the whole “Cleveland can’t win” angle used. Although, no one was saying that before all this went down.

  • Kundai

    If you gave a kobe bryant that team that they have in cleveland he would complain and say he wanted to leave like he did with the lakers it was a bad situation in cleveland. i am a lebron fan and i still think he should have gone to the bulls over the heat just because its better for the league and at least helps his legacy. But i think he was ctually going to stay in cleveland until bosh left for miami.

  • Exile

    Good try Wade… Awesome teammate.

  • Diesel

    I’m liking Wade less and less.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J


  • Kundai

    everyone is a hater how can you liek wade less for this

  • LA Huey

    Hating on Wade? The guy is percieved to have convinced an All-Star and a superstar to join his team and he’s sticking up for his teammate that has recently become more polarizing. This guy is a LEADER.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Ok. again.

  • bill breedley

    weak. dwade will experience first hand how lepippen quits in the playoffs.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    Nothing but love for DWADE though.

  • Chris

    I think James quit. But, I think he saw the inevitable. His team wasn’t playing… they missed wide open shot after wide open shot, which he set up for them.

    They get paid millions of dollars a year to hit open shots and they couldn’t.

    Kobe may have had a bad shooting performance, but Derek Fisher, Ron Artest, and Pau Gasol all stepped up. Not one person on the Cavs did that. I’d be pissed too. If you can’t get past the Celtics, you’re thinking we can’t get past Orlando or LA.

    Now it turns out the Celtics put on one heck of a performance and stepped up their games in the play-offs, but I never, nor do I think LBJ would have, believed that the Celtics would get past the Magic.

    LBJ did everything for Cleveland for 7 years. They put no one around him that could hit open shots when the pressure was on… Yeah, I’d be pissed too.

  • ClydeSays

    I wouldn’t say quit. He seemed … I dunno… distracted is the word that pops in my head. Like be got a new job and was thinking about that one instead of the one he actually had. I think that’s a typical human response, unfortunately for Cleveland…

  • Diesel

    Kundai – if you think Wade is doing this out of the kindness of his heart because “he’s a good person” than you’re just flat out gullible. He’s trying to repair the image of his and the Heat’s business, which Lebron is now a part of. It’s all about the $.

  • hangtime Hec

    Nice story Wade, but he still quit. There is a difference between, struggling against a elite defense and all around throwing the towel.

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    Quit is a strong word and only LBJ knows if he really quit or not, the rest is speculation. I don’t think he quit – he wanted a ring too much to do that, however I think he was highly frustrated and lost belief in his team and accepted failure before it happened. I don’t think he actively in his mind decided not to perform, but he was psyched out. Maybe his ‘distraction’ was due to Delonte, maybe it was the pressure, maybe it was seeing how little support he had, maybe it was… I really don’t know, but to accuse him of actively quitting is going to far IMHO.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    Yes, I believe he did refer to himself as third person…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If there was EVER another player that had a triple double in an in elimination game in NBA history (which he was accused of quitting in), I’d like one of you nitwits to point it out right here. I’ll start with one (where the player couldn’t have sniffed Lebron’s a*s or his statline) where the superstar player quit and posted weaker numbers although he’s supposed to be the real King: Kobe Bryant, Game 6, 2008 Finals. Team lost by 39. Should I embarrass him with the stats or let you tw*ts look it up yourselves? As that dopey bi*ch The Seed would say about his boyfriend backdoor activities, BOOK THAT!

  • Noel

    Lol great picture there. It’s like Lebron is Bush, Wade is Cheney and Bosh is Rice

  • Kundai

    so just stop hating on the best player in the league

  • JTaylor21

    Yeah men its like kobetards play dumb forgeting that the guy has quit on his team before. 06 vs PHX in a GM 7 and when his team lost by 39 in an elimination game in the NBA finals. getting beat by the largest margin in finals history, damn. but now all of a sudden becuase his won 2 rings where he was carried to the 2nd by his team and gasol, his better than bron and deserves to be in MJ/Magic/Kareem talk. Bullsh*t.

  • Kundai

    He has always had the right cast. Jordan had it, magic had it, bird had it, now taht lebron has it people want to say well he has good teammates so it doesnt count. Like come on give him a break the difference is that people think lebron cares about being compared to jordan and what nto. I think he cares more about team, rings, money. Lebron has drive but portrays it by no always taking teh last shot but knowing when to pass. Something that kobe still hasnt grasped.

  • RyandC

    jordan had it, magic had it, bird had it. now lebron has it but he had to bail on his city to get it

  • Kundai

    Dont you understand that he’s from akron no cleveland and cleveland who turned down the amar’e deal was never serious about building. I dont think he made the best decision by going to miami i think he should have gone to chicago. but he wants that feeling that his teammates can lift him up when he doesnt perform. I think he was more mad at his teammates that game 5 game than anything else. and a lil bit delonte mashing his mom

  • Fat Lever

    D’Angelo Barksdale was wrong. “The king stay the king”. Nope.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    fat lever, the king stay the king. but everyone know the queen has all the moves. and the queen aint no ibtch

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Eboy, are you suggesting that LeBron didn’t quit in game 6 cause of good stats? I hope you’re not, considering he was passive throughout the game, lethargic in the 4th quarter, threw it away to Anderson effin Varejao on multiple possessions, and generally decided to stand in a corner and let his team out to dry. Combine that with an obvious quit in game 5 and he’s a quitter, no doubt about it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yeah, he kinda quit.
    But, as Myles has pointed out to y’all, so did Jordan.
    And Kobe.
    And Wade.
    And damn near everybody.

  • Kundai

    thank you allenp people act as though he is the only one. wade last season looked like he was gonna move to costa rica and ditch the heats it moreof a frustrated deminor

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I hate when people uses this guys stat line to make excuses for him. Its like they refuse to believe what they see and instead you the stat line to make an assumption.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    True, but wasn’t he supposed to be different? And his team was nowhere as sh*tty as Wade’s, they were the perennial favorites to beat the Celtics and had made moves to beat the Magic too. Douche just needed an excuse to bolt.

  • kundai

    you guys would bolt to if you were in his shoes and you can’t like you guys are probably kevein durant or kobe fans and you know those two would dip from cleveland in a second

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    I’m sorry, but I’m so sick of the whole ‘Kobe Quit in 2006′ thing. Phil Jackson has said since that the game plan was to go inside to the bigs and Kobe followed. In the second half he was in foul trouble (some of which he picked up making aggressive moves to the basket). If he quit, why weren’t any of his teammates calling him out? They had before for various things hadnt they? He recognized that he needed to get others going as him doing it all had them down 15 in the first half. Here is an article from the LA times that says the whole theory is a fairytale that is unsupported: http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-heisler-lakers-20100519,0,1151031,full.column

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    Why is it that whenever there is an article about LeBron, people have to bring up Kobe, MJ or whomever else? This article is just about LBJ quitting (or not) and has nothig to do with the fact that anybody else has ever quit. It doesn’t make it more or less ‘right’ or ‘forgiveable’ or ‘justifiable’ to quit. LBJ either quit on his team or he didn’t and that has nothing to do with anybody else. If the argument is every player quits from time to time, then this really isn’t much of a story because LBJ did what everybody else has done (or not).

  • Izzo

    By all means, let’s never credit any defense ever. I guess the reason anyone fails to make big plays, or just doesn’t score at every opportunity is something of their own choosing.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    ^Not buying it. Celtics couldn’t stop LeBron when he was agressive in games 2 and 3.

  • sal

    lebum has proven he is a quitter.
    he needs dwade to be the king
    lebum isn’t even fit to be a serf.

  • AntMac

    @ Allenp

    Yeah, Kobe may have quit and Wade may have quit and MJ may have quit (not sure when but I’ll take your word for it)but Cleveland’s last memory of LeBron will be of him quitting on his team, ripping his jersey off in the tunnel in a move that, even at the time, seemed very symbolic and then leaving his team in an unbelievably crass and dispicable manner. At least those other guys stuck with it and didn’t become a ring chaser at the age of 25. That just seems weak to me. And now he’s got Wade fighting his battles for him…

  • Scottie Pimpin

    d wade keep talking out of his butt crack. dude should just shut up. that last game against the cletics the whole team quit, watch it on youtube.

  • JD

    Gotta say LeBron isnt doing that well PR wise but D-Wade is a great guy

  • ciroqobama

    On his best day Scottie Reynolds is a poor mans Jordan Farmar. BOOK IT assclown.

  • beyjee

    EBoy, really? you bring up the stats to defend his mediocre game 6? this isn’t Fantasy League, dude, watch the tape.

    and by the way, a team that leads the league two straight years with back 2 back 60 win seasons doesn’t qualify as “a bad situation”, they had enough good pieces over there, what they lacked was a closer, a leader, a go-to-guy, and that was what Lebron was supposed to be.

    and by the way, you can’t compare his situation in Miami with MJ’s Bulls, Magic’s Lakers, Bird’s Celts, heck even Kobe’s Lakers cuz these teams built their lineups through trades that gradually improved their roster, so i hate it when people say it’s the same thing, NO ITS NOT.

    again, LBJ and DWade teaming up in their prime is unprecedented, it’s like MJ joining Isiah, Bird joining Magic, or Chamberlain joining Russel. These guys are peers, they shouldn’t be in the same team… maybe not until the twilight of their careers!

  • The D Train

    The D Train says that if anyone watched Game 6, there is no way you could think Lebron was anything other than disinterested. The fact that he still got a triple-double was interesting, but The D Train wrote after the fact that it was the most misleading triple-double he’s ever seen. Guys like The D Train know a legitimate triple-double when I see one.

  • O

    The worst part about all this is that now superstars are gonna wanna align like Chris Paul said. Sure, i’d love for the Knicks to have their own balanced out “Big 3″ cause we’ve sucked for so many damn years, but before you know it it’s gonna be like 5 or 6 teams that’ll feast on the rest of the league. Hypothetical: Lakers, Heat, Knicks, Bulls, Magic and maybe Oklahoma (who wouldn’t wanna play with Durant?)

  • ConeyIslander

    ConeyIslander would like to agree with D-wade, the Celtic’s D swarms the ball. ConeyIslander thinks LeBron is good, but 5 on 1 is 5 on 1.

  • Robb

    I hate Lebron, and the way he did things was wrong, and I’m not talking about him signing with the Heat, that was his right ,but the whole TV stuff was just stupid, BUT I think it’s enough already, it’s not fair, he always gave everything for his former team and now he’s decided to move on. Forgive the guy already, I mean we all make mistakes don’t we?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Lebron did ‘quit’ but so what. History is history. Lets all just let his legacy be whatever it may be and debate where he ranks after he starts achieving stuff. Jordan has quit before, Kobe has quite before, and Wade has quit before but they are all champions/finals MVPs. Lebron still hasnt got on that level.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Kundai.. we turned down the amare deal? wow we gave anything phoenix wants except that phoenix didnt like anything we have not named lebron. we did our part at giving the best possible deal, phoenix didnt give it, is that clevelands fault? stop posting moron.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    Why does the so-called “King” need a defender? Let him defend himself. He quit. Anybody that watched that series honestly can say that he did. If you can’t, then you have to be a die-hard fan of his that thinks he does no wrong, we see a lot of those on Slam.

  • cp3fan

    I urge everyone to go to Yahoo Sports and read the article that is beautifully written about how LeBron got to Miami. David Stern absolutely has to look into this. The real truth about LeBron James. He is far worse than Kobe is. More child than man. You all just have to read it. Form your own opinions. Really an eye opener about so called King James.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Wade let Lebron defend himself, this is why I hated this move to the B Team, because now Wade will be the mouth piece to Pippen 2.0.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    SMH @ The Seed.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ beyjee: Don’t be ridiculous–the Cavs were that good in the regular season because LEBRON JAMES was that good. Don’t get it twisted. The reason the Cavaliers sucked in the postseason was because once defenses tightened on his teammates, they choked. LeBron James was still LeBron JAmes in the playoffs, minus ONE GAME. Don’t tell me the Cavs were good enough when Antawn Jamison didn’t show up one game.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    It’s funny that LeBron James’ previous team is suddenly considered good enough to win it all, and it’s LeBron James’ fault for them not beating a better Celtics team.
    Whose fault was it when the Lakers lost to Detroit? I guess it couldn’t have been KOBE, right? Karl Malone then? It’s funny because I don’t even like to engage in a Kobe vs. LeBron debate but most of these people ripping LeBron James 24/7 are Laker fans. Not all, but most.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ******Don’t tell me the Cavs were good enough when Antawn Jamison didn’t show up a single game.

  • http://Slamonline.com Troy

    Lebron betrayed the city of Cleveland!!!!!!!

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    @Eboy: it was EVIDENT HE QUIT IN GAMES 2,5 AND at the end of game 6…would like to see what you posted here at the time…and DWade´s a leader forsure, although HE DID NOT gave his best last year, but had the excuse of NOT HAVING A CHANCE AT THE TITLE as Bron did.

  • http://www.soundclick.com/thesupergenius Che-Son

    You know what I think is a way of evaluating someone’s leadership potential, especially guys like Pat Riley, Phil Jackson (peaking with the Bulls and MJ obviously), Doc, etc.? Put them in a different situation like working at Mcdonalds or leading a band, and you can sort of picture what a real leader looks like, and you quickly realize that a great leader is not typically someone who makes a great star. – Lebron’s a star, but his gift ain’t leadership one bit. You sort of imagine he’d be the guy that everyone wants to be, but not the leader. DWade is clearly the leader, and I’d bet is has something to do with their post-secondary careers. (And because DWade is the mack) Dwade recruited the others to come to Miami. Wade has the CHIP! Wade has old eyes, and yet he’s at the top of his game. Look at Pat Riley’s eyes, Jax’s eyes, Doc’s eyes…Old eyes. Now look at Lebron’s eyes; watch him chew those nails, and ask yourself if that’s the guy that leads men into battle, or if maybe the dynasty that we may be, ahem, ‘witnessing’ won’t rest on the shoulders we thought. What position did Micheal and Scottie play again?

  • peter

    The Seed: um…the Cavs WERE considered good enough to win it all. When they got Antawn everyone was talking about how nobody could beat them. And, yeah Kobe got the majority of the blame for losing to Detroit. They were supposed to win that. It obviously doesn’t always play out like its supposed to, but you can’t go back and change the fact that the Cavs were favourites all season with the best record in the league and suddenly they area a bunch of scrubs.

  • JalepinoSauce

    Jordan had pippen , rodman. Magic Had Kareem and Big Game James. Bron got what he wants now so hate on sukaz.

  • The Philosopher

    Interesting points.

  • Nova

    SCOTTIE REYNOLDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • truhero

    this is what happens when teams get this good. no one can believe it now, watch how everyone hops on the heat when you see how perfect these 3 guys compliment eachother.

  • Javy

    I just saw a cover of sports illustrated, guess who was on the front…..”WADE”. The background was filled with the faces of other 2 guys but the main man was in front.
    Yaikes, that stinks LB!
    Good luck, like Sr. Charles said it, “It doesn’t feel the same”…..”it feels like you’re cheating”…
    Weak A****ss. Good thing you picked a new #.
    Jordan on the celtic’s series:OHHH, shut, he’s wearing my #!

  • The Philosopher

    It’s a new day, brethren.
    We all know and realize that there will… NEVER be another Jordan. We know there will never be another Magic, Bird, and/or even Isiah. The list goes on, for sure.
    The thing about this that is special to me, is that these guys (The King, Wade, Bosh) realize it. All of them.
    It IS a factual reality, and the whole League is taking notice, for Chris Paul is at Carmelo’s wedding preaching “Big Three in New York” rhetoric.
    All because of what is transpiring in Miami, in which The King set off, by the way.
    By the end of this, The King will be viewed as a pioneer to the game throughout the ages. He ushered in a new way of thinking. He is ushering in… progression.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    @Cp3fan: I read the story, just proves everything I think about the guy, he cares about no-one but himself. The self promotion is sickening, the yes men the cater to his every desire, he had to have a bunch of superstars to ever win, because he couldn’t do it on his own. I thought he was a King? Kings rule on their own, they don’t need no help from nobody. He’s a punk, and I’m tired of hearing about him daily.

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  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Look, I’m one of Lebron’s biggest defenders on this entire website.
    But the dude quit.
    And the dude abandoned his team in the worst way possible.
    These are two undisputable facts that will forever lower Lebron and his legacy.
    He never quit in 2009. That’s ridiculously stupid. But 2010, game 5 he gave up because he was mad with management and the horrendous coaching… and game 6, he tried up around until the 3rd quarter and then gave up in the fourth.
    You can’t debate this. It was obvious.
    Yeah, other players quit, but it’s irrelevant, and they got hate for it. This is Lebron’s turn to get hate. I’m still rooting for the guy, but the hate’s justified.

  • dr

    nupe your comment was “I don’t think he quit however I think he was highly frustrated and lost belief in his team and accepted failure before it happened.”

    dude that’s quitting

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    Thank you Jukai. Yes, the hate is justified, there are many people on here that feel the same way. He will never be looked at the same from a lot of his fans and especially his critics. Will he quit on his new teammates if he isn’t looked at as “the man”? You have to wonder at least a little. I used to like the guy, I’ve lost a lot of respect for him, on and off the court. He’s never been told no, therefore he has a sense of entitlement. He may win titles, but its not gonna feel as good as it would if he one them without multiple superstars backing him up.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    The Promise: That’s where I disagree. He threepeats, and we forget this whole mess. He then wins one on his own, and he’s back in contention for top SF of all time. Winning makes EVERYONE forget, justified or not.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    You have a point, winning does make people forget about these athlete’s shortcomings and so forth. And thats what gets to me, is that 95% of people on here that are currently hating on him will suddenly change their tune and be all happy for the guy, they will forget what he did to his former team, former hometown, how he constantly looks for a new way to promote himself, it just goes on and on, we have talked about it for days on end.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    “Kings rule on their own, they don’t need no help from nobody.” Pretty stupid thing to say, no offense The Promise. I’d like to see Alexander the Great conquer Europe and Asia without his big @ss army, or Napoleon without his army.
    OR OR Kobe winning without help.
    It doesn’t happen.

  • beyjee

    @Teddy-the-Bear, once again i say this, a team that has back-to-back 60 win seasons in this day and age is no joke. they were very good, but whether they were good enough to win it all, maybe not yet, were they a trade or two away from it, perhaps, but we’ll never know. but the worst thing a franchise player can do is quit on the last game of the season, then throw away his cavs jersey to the floor for everyone to see,then 2 months after paraded around Miami in a Heat jersey along with Dwade and Bosh saying things like, “we’re not here just to win one ring…two…three…four…eight.” that’s a cop-out, no matter how you spin it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    @Teddy-the Bear: Do you think Alexander the Great would have surrendered and left his army to die, like your pathetic so-called King did? I think not. As beyjee said above, it was nothing short of a cop-out on his part, he couldn’t handle the pressure anymore. And since you mentioned Alexander and Napoleon, think of it like this: Do you think either of those men would have said, “Oh well, I can’t defeat this nation, might as well join them.” Not in a million years. The point I made in that post above was that, He’s no King. If there is a King in basketball right now, its Kobe Bryant. 5 rings speak for themselves.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    There was no way the Cavaliers were one or two trades away from winning it all. Mo Williams, Delonte West and Anderson Varejao wilted in pressure situations so badly, they may as well been D-Leaguers. Those are the CORE GUYS on the team.
    And Bryant TRIED to leave the Lakers, first toying with joining the Clippers, then trying to force a trade to Chicago. I don’t get why people use Kobe Bryant as a sterling example of a guy who ‘never bailed ship.’ Kobe TRIED. Management kept him.

  • beyjee

    @Jukai, Mo Williams, Delonte and Verajao are D-Leaguers? wow, ok, goes to show where you’re coming from. Lebron pretty much had the same 29-7-7 line the past 6 years, but they won 60 wins only the last 2 years, could it be that they were gradually improving with a few pieces? probably not if you had something to say about it.

    a lot of players wanted to leave at some point in their careers, the thing being questioned is how lebron left. Nobody EVER, EVER left a 60 win team to join up with 2 other max players, let alone a fellow top 50 player of all time (Wade) in his prime, that’s just unprecendented. somehow this really gets lost in all these comparisons, I don’t know why. Kobe wanted to leave a bad team because they were in rebuilding mode and he wasn’t having none of that. he wanted to go to Chicago or the Clippers, but no one was waiting there for him there, it would’ve still been a challenge with him and a couple of key players to win it. that’s a big difference.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    beyjee: Okay, first off, Lebron’s stats have steadily improven, I have no idea where you got that number. His shooting percentages and assists have skyrocketed.
    Sure, Lebron has gotten better players— Mo, West, and Varejao are all great players when the pressure is off, but time and time again, it has been shown that once sh*t really hits the fan, these guys disappear. Say what you want about the 2007 squad, at least those guys were consistant throughout their playoff run. Throw in horrendous, atrocious, bottom of the league coaching and you can see why Lebron was not winning a chip in Cleveland. End of story.
    Your point about Kobe is semantical. Yes, Lebron going on WADE’S team should mean something, but Lebron going to a better team means absolutely nothing. Kobe wanted to leave for greener pastures, in places he could win in. Same as Lebron.
    If Lebron doesn’t want to be the man, that’s an entirely different story. We’ll have to wait and see on that.

  • beyjee


    on the contrary my friend, i’m afraid you’re the one playing with semantics, equating “moving to a better team” as categorically the same no matter the circumstance, when in truth Lebron’s circumstance is totally different from Kobe’s, let alone everyone else’s. are LBJ and Wade both top 50 players of all time? isn’t Chris Bosh a Max player? are their all in their primes?

    as for lebron’s numbers, you can check it out yourself:


    –start from 2004 onwards then compare everything to his career average at the bottom, crunch the numbers my friend.


  • beyjee

    @Jukai, yeah players sometimes want to win in greener pastures, but not the way LBJ did, ask MJ.


  • http://www.soundclick.com/thesupergenius Che-Son

    The thing so many of you seem to forget is that a person’s legacy isn’t even remotely affected by internet chatter, and that all the opinions change but they all stay the same. The way history will view Wade, James, and Bosh will be defined by how dominant they can be. And it looks like they could be pretty farkin dominant.

  • Tyler

    cosign Che-Son
    everyone is hating on these guys cuz they have an opprotunity that most don’t get. These people would have done the same damn thing if they were in the same position. Will they win the title this season? No, but they will win eventually.