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Monday, July 19th, 2010 at 9:00 am  |  298 responses

MJ On Miami Three

Michael Jordan weighs in, and he’s not a fan.

by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

Playing in the American Century Championship golf tournament over the weekend, MJ was asked about what he thought of all the free agent movement this summer, and specifically, LeBron’s decision to join up with D-Wade and Chris Bosh in South Beach.

While Jordan understands that today’s game — and the mentality of the players — differs greatly from when he was hooping, Mike still let it be known that he was far too competitive to have even thought about playing alongside guys who were considered to be in his class at any point; people like Larry Bird and Magic Johnson.

According to MJ, the idea was to beat those guys, not team up with them to chase rings:

“There’s no way, with hindsight, I would’ve ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, ‘Hey, look, let’s get together and play on one team,” Jordan said.

“Things are different. I can’t say that’s a bad thing. It’s an opportunity these kids have today. In all honesty, I was trying to beat those guys.”

NBA fans (and sports fans, in general) rarely agree on things, but we can reasonably state the following: with but a handful of true Heat fans being the exception, nearly everyone hates this new-look Miami Heat team.

So, they’ve got that going for them.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    What a shame….everyone hating my team. I can only hope that you can hate them even more 3 or 4 seasons from now when they have a few rings to keep the noise out. Oh and Mutoni, the “we” you speak of isn’t just scared Lakers fans is it? Like you.

  • Marc6385

    HE has spoken

  • http://thekobebeef.wordpress.com LDR4

    MJ is the greatest and makes the Miami Thrice look like chumps who are scared to play each other. I hope MJ inspires the Bobcats to sweep the season series against Miami.

  • Ali

    To be the best you have to beat the best, not join them! Bout time one of the greats speak out on this madness in MIA! Not sure why Mike is associating D Wade and Bosh with Larry and Magic though (No comparison, not even close!!!) but we all understand what he means. What’s funny is D-Wade is signed to Team Jordan, Mike’s gotta be disappointed in one of his guys.

  • http://www.runninglikwidworks.com Mr. RLW

    THANK YOU MIKE!

    Before somebody comes in and replies to this article with some goofy comment about, “they don’t need Jordan’s approval” blah blah blah. Its not about his approval, this is just his opinion. And one that I think holds a lot of weight. IMO, any championship they win is going to have an asterisk beside it.

    D-Wade and Bosh … ok cool
    Lebron and Bosh … ok cool

    Any combination where Lebron and D-Wade on the same team, not cool. I know Stern is pissed off at this arrangement, but won’t admit it publicly. Just like I’m positive, Kobe would not have done the same thing either. But hey… whatever, the sh!t is done now so.

  • tom

    How can you say that nearly everyone hates miami now???? I hope you don´t consider yourself a journalist! Serioulsy…

  • phil

    u know what they say. if u can’t beat them, join them.

  • lexluther703

    ni99as need to get over it. He made a decision giving him the best chance to win, sacrificing his legacy in the process. A superstar willing to give up his place as an individual in history for a shot at a bunch of rings? That’s what you call selflessness, and he’s getting a chance to live his life with one of his best friends in the second (behind atlanta) biggest party city in the NBA. Great decision for LeBron, both on and off the court, and ni99as need to get on with their own lives instead of tryna make decisions for a grown-azz man

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “Things are different. I can’t say that’s a bad thing. It’s an opportunity these kids have today.” Let all the ignoramouses bypass this particular line Mike spoke. Great work, boys.

  • JD

    I hate the trade but how can you say the only people in Miami that like it is a hand full of the most loyal fans? Are you insane? Miami is creaming right now…all of it

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Here’s the list (as I’ve followed it) of EVERYONE that hate’s the new Heat squad:ESPN and 98% of it’s writers, SLAM mag and 97% of it’s writers, Bulls fans, Knicks fans, Cavs fans and Laker fans. Yes, this seems like it covers every fan of the NBA. Nice statement, Marcel.

  • phil

    eboy, u can add a houston fan to that list as well!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Know why the Cletics fans ain’t crying? They’re not afraid. Know why you ain’t hearing crying and bit*hing from the Spurs, Thunder or the Blazers? ‘Cause they’re worried about themselves and redefining their team and the positive futures the two young squads have in front of them. And with the exception of Otis Smith’s dopey comment, I don’t think I’ve heard the Magic as a whole or their fans hate on the new Heat team either cause they’re not afraid. Bit*hness is the new hate. Breath it in.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    One Houston fan. Excellent. Why I don’t know, though. If Yao stays healthy, the Rockets look legit a f*ck!

  • Ali

    If you call yourself THE KING and your larger than life on and off the court, why walk away from your house to go move into another man’s house. Two alpha males just dont cut it. Jordan wanted to crush Magic, not play with him. Duncan wanted to crush Bryant, not play with him, Bryant wanted his own house so badly, that he told Management it was he or Shaq that go. These are what Alpha males are made of, this is what they do to be considered great. I don’t even wanna hear that LeBron would never win in Cleveland either. Hell, Kobe had Smush Parker and Kwame Brown as starters, but he hung in their until help came. LeBron is only 25, so he had time. The pieces where coming together. Jordan didnt win till his 7th year at age 28. As an old school NBA fan, I’m not made at the MIA thing, just disapointed in Lebron, take some notes from the great ones kid!

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    I’ve been a Heat fan since day 1 (if by day 1 you mean July 8, 2010).

  • JoeMaMa

    Michael Jordan gave his opinion. That’s nice. Tiger Woods followed his opinion and lost several hundred million dollars. I’ll instead give my opinion, which is this: I still think he could’ve made it to triple A once he figured out the curveball. Just try to test me on this one.

  • kundai

    Mike is the greatst and i respect him alot. But he need to look to his left and relize that his best friend on the bulls team scottie pippen is equivalent to a wade for a lebron or a lebron to a wade. and horace grant was a great scorer those first 3 championships like bosh maybe slightly worse. MJ just needs to look at things differently the game is more team oriented than it used to be

  • giogolo

    though i value mike’s opinion as a former player and GOAT. I really can’t blame Bron nor judge his personality. As far as i know he’s just a player trying to play the game and win. How he does it on the bball court is all that matters. If this doesn’t do anything great to his legacy from a lot of people’s view point than that’s his cross to bear. As far as im concerned, what JOrdan said about opportunities and things being different nowadays aren’t SOLELY the players own doing. IN fact, it’s sort of by product of what the Media,Companies,team owners/management have breed throughout the years since MJ’s time.They’re responsible for their employees actions and should consistently rear players on the correct path. But in this case in basketball they just dont have that kind of leverage anymore compared in the past.Truth hurts.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    What Ali meant to write was “Hell, Kobe had Smush Parker and Kwame Brown as starters, but he bit*hed and bi*ched and threatened the team with a trade me now or you can go fu*k yourselves unless you get me some real help, talked sh*t to guys in a parking lot on video about the young center who helped him get his two rings….. until help came.” Yes, the model citizen.

  • Ali

    Since day 1: Ronald Fred “Rony” Seikaly

  • Sean

    That we definitely ain’t just Lakers fans.
    Miami=douchebag central.

  • jufu

    the nets ain’t scared of MIA. we’re gonna be legit as hell next season.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Sean needs a friend….. or THREE!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • amir

    Miami Tries

  • http://donnellsuggs1gmail.com Donnell Suggs-Atlanta Voice reporter

    The true competitor in any sport or for that matter any walk of life, wants to beat the competition. Isn’t that the whole point? I agree with both statements by Jordan and Barkley.

  • rayraynz

    OH YEA nice way to put it MJ – Jordan just sonned those fools like high noon! Jordan’s brother is now officially their uncle!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I applaud jufu.

  • kundai

    eboy lmao

  • Groves

    I’m with Eboy as far as questioning the hate… as an aussie i don’t have any specific allegences, however the magic, heat, nuggets and mavs are my teams and i LOVE the new look heat

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Donnell Suggs reports for a city’s publication that has a history…and an acceptance of losing. This is actually funny as a sports fan to see people who would rather be known as perpetual losers instead of tasting winning by lining yourself up with the best talent in the game to get something done.

  • truhero

    When Lebron retires with two hands full of rings (more than 6), people will begin to come around. It’s getting blown way out of proportion. Every star says they want to win, and when he makes the sacrifice to go do it, everyone hates; all he did was put himself in the best position to win. And honestly, no matter how good I am, If I’m in the NBA i would never pass up a chance to play on the same team as two of my closest homeboys. It’s the perfect situation for him, plus it’s in Miami!

  • Fat Lever

    What’s funny is that people automatically assume the Heat are going to win multiple titles with this new lineup. I don’t think that’s a guarantee. Wade is the only proven champion on that team. Lebron had his moments in the playoffs, but also had moments where he skirted away. Bosh is, to be blunt, a professional loser to this point. Just because the names are there, doesn’t equate to a championship. It takes more than just names to win a title. Guys gotta come together as a team, which remains to be seen with this lineup.

  • kundai

    a true competitor wants to win. Everyone saying lebron not a true competitor he just portrays a different kind of true competitor. Kobe bryant, Michael jordan were so competitive almost came as assholes. Kobe more because he wanted shaq to leave at least jordan played with pippen. Magic, Bird have the team style of competitor they played on great teams and love competing great team vs. great team. I like all these guys because i liek basketball and im a fan and i respect them all including lebron wade and bosh.

  • Ali

    Hahaha…Hook line and sinker! Eboy! When you play with the fire, passion and hunger Bryant, Paul Pierce, Reggie Miller, KG, WADE, Magic, Bird, Barkley, Malone, Duncan, Worthy, Stockton, Nash, Dirk, Melo, Howard, Ray Allen, AI, and some of my other favorties play(ed) with you earn the right to bit*h and moan to management about getting you help. You may not make it to that championship but you rode with your team till the wheels fell off. RESPECT is what you get with that in the end!

  • jufu

    @Eboy can i come outta my house now wearing all my nets stuff? i mean we’re pretty legit this season.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I don’t agree with truehero that the Heat will win more than 6 titles. I put the total at about a maximum of three before Lebron rides to his next contract in 5 seasons. I kind of agree with Fat too that there is no guarantee’s that they can win anything at all. But that can be said about any team from season to season. It all depends on how they approach it. And kundai is smart.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Man, eboy is going IN today haha. Reminds me of old times.

  • Coney Islander

    I’m gonna have to agree with MJ on this one. The Dream team for instance was special because of that very reason; there was no way in hell those Alpha basketball super stars would ever team up for any other reason but a gold medal.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Ali, you added PP and Allen to you favorite list when they were only able to win their only title by joining together with two other superstars to win it all. Go away now. And you added Melo’s name, what are you smoking…seriously.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Uh….
    “Things are different. I can’t say that’s a bad thing.”
    So, where in that did you get Jordan wasn’t a fan?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Hi Hursty.

  • http://slamonline.com jameetrix

    i honestly believe that this big 3 will be the champion providers for their mother teams! Every 6 years these guys would team up again in another city (say, Cleveland) to provide championship title to the city. For now, its Miami’s turn to be blessed. Believe That!

  • Boss Bailey

    The Heat become the Yankees of the NBA! They should sign former All-Stars and future (ringless) Hall-of-Famers and add pinstripes to their uniforms. Sign T-Mac, The Answer, Stevie Franchise, Penny, and Shaq. The regular season would be like an 82 stop cross country major city tour. The NBA would make crazy money off of tickets and jersey sales, so Stern would cool wth it. I think this NEEDS to happen. Obviously it won’t but I can dream!

  • bill breedley

    the GOAT has spoken. lebron is dwade’s putain nuff said!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Boss, it’s kind of happening already. Jukai, it’s refreshing to see someone else that can read.

  • Karl

    Houston fan Heat have nothing on us!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I like Karl’s confidence.

  • Scottie Pimpin’

    “its gonna be real hollywood down there”

  • Ali

    Eboy…There are all battle tested dudes! Actually fought and battled on the court without giving up. Actually stood for something other than their brand! KG and AI left everything they had on the courts in MINN and PHI, there’s a dfference when aging veteran like that leaves a team.

  • http://nba.com Reflex

    Ever since Bron signed for the Heat Eboy’s been catching pure feelings at every Heat related post. It was funny at first, but now it’s just sad. Put the keyboard down Eboy, it’s not that serious

  • kundai

    jordan as much as he dosent wanna say it wants to see this too. Everyone wants to see this. Even Kobe wants to get home quickly to go catch the rest of a heat game its new and exciting ervyone will forget about the whole individual legacy business and enjoy a super team.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Eboy:
    People just want to be angry. They are going to warp every sentence, every utterance, that a great player greats.
    My personal favorite was on NBATV, when a couple of the normal crew (all I remember was Webber and Snow were there… and two other white dudes) were just WRECKING Lebron for his decision. They were calling up all these former stars to get their opinion on the James incident.
    They finally got to Kevin McHale.
    Eric Snow, who is fuming at the mouth at this point, asks Kevin “do you think Larry Bird would EVER join Magic?” I hated the way Snow asked that question. He asked it as if he was probing for some EARTH SHATTERING scenario that would force Bird to drop all his instincts and morals and do the unthinkable: maybe to prevent nuclear war, or because an alien race of warlords demanded it.
    The answer Kevin McHale gave left everyone speechless. And angry.
    “I don’t know. Bird loved playing against Magic, but Bird also loved winning. He always had a great team so it’s easy to say he wouldn’t do it, but if he was on a losing team most of his career and Magic came to him and offered him that chance… well, I just don’t know. It’s possible.”
    Then, the main commentator (some white douchy guy) had the AUDACITY to end the conversation with “well, I think Larry would NEVER go and be on the same team with Magic. Thanks Kevin.”
    People are so angry at this. It’s overshadowed the fact that Lebron pretty much D’d over the city of Cleveland and kept the majority of money he said would go to the Boys and Girls club. It’s really all utter crap.
    I don’t get it.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    *that a great player says
    it’s early

  • Bruno

    hahaha hey eboy it’s not like people hate the Heat, I just dont like what lebron did
    if he thought that was his best option, good for him but we all know that he could do better.
    I didnt like him before but now it’s worse hahaha
    and I also dont like Bosh at all so the only one safe it’s wade hahaha

  • http://screwjams.tumblr.com cramzy

    not you too Michael?!!…you know, being a heat fan was a lot more enjoyable when JO was mannin the middle and Beas was taking twitpics with baggies in the background. This is gone be a rough year…ah well, the winning will dry my tears..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Reflex, go away miscreant. Your mom’s looking for you…needs you to take the garbage out. Ali, Melo is battle-tested. WTF are you talking about? Karl Malone tried to ride on Shaq and Kobe’s coat-tails and got sh*t ’cause he had no “loyalty”. Charles Barkley tried to ride on the coat-tails of two true champions in Scottie Pippen and Hakeem and failed miserably ’cause his old-man talent dragged them down, on his third team in his career. What are you talking about, you make no sense?

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    What’s worse, the best SG of all time (jordan) playing with a top-7 small forward of all time (Pippen) or a top five small forward all time (Lebron) playing with a top 5 shooting guard of all time (Wade).
    Think about that for a bit. Get back to me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jukai, I saw that too. That’s the problem with the “white douchebags” of this world/ They all think they know more than actual players and guys that have been there. Yes, you’re right, white douchebag, the guy who was Larry Bird’s teammate for a decade wouldn’t have an inkling of the knowledge you have.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Glad how you took the white douchebag comment and ran with it, EBoy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I like that question, Jukai. Let’s see. Michael is #1 then if you add Scottie at his position at, I don’t know, number 6, that equals a sum total of 7…divided by two= 3.5. Dwyane is probably #5 in history at the 2, Lebron is probably #4, which equals 9, divided by 2= 4.5. That’s simple math, I guess.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Yes, it is also funny how no one is mad at Chris, either.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Eboy is one of only two heat fans on the entire Internet so he’s earned the right to crow a bit, but dude, you’re crossing the line into being insufferably obnoxious. Can we at least play some preseason games first?

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    And both you and Jukai know better than to make that lame Scottie Pippen comparison. Seriously. Scottie was 96 pounds soaking wet when he was drafted by Chicago. He was physically mentally and emotionally weak. Michael MADE Scottie the player he became. He didn’t just join up with him at a free agent summit. Stop that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Myles, you’re right, but since I am one of the only fans that have stuck with them from the jump, I feel I need to interject (daily, more than 20 times an hour it seems)when all they do is get shi*ted on. But, I am thankful that you didn’t call me an as*hole or anything like that. I appreciate the criticism.

  • Kundai

    Lebron made his decision and it was not to be one of those hall of famers malone, stockton, barkley, ewing who where the guys but never won anything. you can say they where great in there own right and loyal. but in the end they dont have a ring, and we forget about those guys almost becasue of that except barkley becasue he doesnt shut the F*** up becasue he knows people will forget about him if he doesnt. Your remembered by rings and as great as some players are such as those 4 who are top 3 in their repesctive positions in history, they dont have one. as lebron who has seen this he made his decision its over. I still think he should have gone to chicago though derrick rose bron and boozer would be sick lol.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I agree with you Myles, HOWEVA, once Scottie got there by ’91, there was no turning back, and he really was a killer on his own, even though it helped that he had “big brother” right there with him. We all know that when he had to lead on his own, he did a really admirable job of being “that” guy for a season and almost got them another Finals berth.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Myles: True enough, but I was tired of using the Kobe/Shaq scenario.

  • Amzng

    Ali is so right.

  • LD

    Jordan never won a gam against Bird in the Playoffs.

  • Ali

    Eboy you must not have ever watch an entire playoff
    series! I’ll go a few years to back Bulls vs. Utah series we all loved! Or the Bulls vs. Phoenix series (did you see any of those series, Hahaha) I’m talking going hard for 7 games, vs. the best of the best, the Jordans, the Reggie Millers, the Bryants, the Duncans, the Pierces, the Ewings, etc. Battle tested! Not the Bosh’s! I’ll admit Lebenon has been through some battles in his 7 years but he just don’t have the FIRE and HEART to bully his way to a chip like the greats have! For all the Dunks, Triple-Douples, the pre-during-post game dancing and clowing, the pre-game powder display, the WITNESSING, the ROC, etc he has nothing to show!

  • Kundai

    That i dont agree with scottie was a great player in his own right no matter where he went scottie made michael the defender he was actually. I think people need to stop using his name as comaprisons he is one of the greatest ever without michael. Michael was better but scottie could handle business, its disrespecting him by say he is the sidekick. without scottie michael doesnt win anything. Just liek kobe without pau or shaq or bird without mchale and parish or magic without kareem and worthy and byron. F*** its a team game and all the so called great teams that people rave about had superstars and all-stars coming our of there ass

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    If you absolutely had to choose – Eric Snow or Reggie Miller calling games? Utter Boredom vs. Utter Annoyance: The Final Destination.
    And the whitiest douche of all time is Rick Kamla. I cannot believe the man is allowed on television.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Ali: People said the same thing about Jordan after six years in the league.

  • Kundai

    rick kamla funny but true he shouldnt be there

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    look, IT WAS THE PERFECT STORM FOR HATE. Cle, NY, Chi, etc ALL had REALISTIC HOPE of getting him. so they didnt and the hate of almost all of these+LA(plus all the media minus MIAMI´s) created the Villians, witch is awsome from the history(not historic) perspective..look, my only beef was the fu#king douchebag this guy was in all the process while 1 year early, to me, he was a likable superstar with FENOMENAL game..now, MJ´s right but Bron kinda showed a litlle humility in being considered nº2, however hell want that finals MVP, and thats how thw problems could start if Flash is after that too.

  • Izzo

    I disagree, I think most decent hardworking NBA fans would rather see a lockout than see either the Lakers, Celtics or Miami win it all next year.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Having 2 of the best 3 players in the L on the same team is just plain wrong, completely agree with Mike. LeBron took the easy way out, can’t blame Wade and Bosh imo. Heat will be very entertaining to watch and most likely win a bunch of championships. But the overall excitement of the NBA will suffer as there will be even less good match-ups (individual and team) throughout the season. Bosh is a second string superstar (if that… I’m not all that impressed with him although he’s a quality player) imo so his presence with a top notch talent is okay. But the Wade/LeBron combination is not at all my cup of tea. They should have been dueling it out at each their contender instead of joining forces. I understand Eboy and other Heat fans are excited (and congrats to you guys the future looks great), but for the NBA this is not a good outlook and that’s why Stern is pizsed. The creating of a few superteams with fever teams having a real chance for glory, will only further reduce the regular season to a drawn out foreplay to the playoffs, which itself might go ahead and be a pretty dull affair until the later rounds as well. PS: I am a fan of both LeBron and Wade so please hold the hater-calls peoples, just calling it as I see it.

  • http://aspov.blogspot.com Cheryl

    They could have continued to beat each other during the regular season and then watch the Lakers win the Chip. I don’t blame them for wanting to play in June. But, you know, who am I? My initials are CR not MJ…

  • Ali

    This is true Jukai…Just ain’t like the way Lebron
    went about his shi*! Mark a** move…Man up, tell Cav management, tell NYC/CHI, etc. go to MIA sign, hold up a Jersey of #6 with Riles and call it a day! This “Decision” mess was some b.s. Barkley was right!

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    LZ: Hater.

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    @Jukai,Eboy: that MJ-nº1+ Pippen-n´7 SF vs Bron 5 Wade 5 DOES NOT MAKE SENSE CAUSE MJ and Pippen ARE CONSIDERED THAT GOOD cause they dominated for almost a decade…IF BRON AND FLASH WIN 7 ships you can bet your a$$ they both will DISPUTE MJ´s place..you can only say where they are AFTER their carrears over with.

  • Diesel

    Eboy your hater talk is getting old. No one is jealous or hating on the Heat. People are simply making accurate statements based on what went down. And that’s that Lebron chosing to team up with one of his main rivals in DWade…on DWade’s team no less, is weak. This is hating on Lebron – not the Heat.

  • http://twincityslim@yahoo.com Jahi

    I have to wonder how long it will be before the sideshows of the NBA; reality shows like Basketball Housewives, the “Decision”, etc., surpass the game itself. I’d wager that, within 5 years, the NBA, NFL, MLB, etc., will look more like watching an episode of WWF or WWE, than the competitive sports I watched as a 80s baby. Jordan pretty much stated in the most subtle way possible, that the modern day athlete is less athlete than entertainer. It’s really a question of taste and trend. I could care less about the sideshows in sports, but Hollywood and the general public seems have an insatiable thirst for the “gossip, drama, and thrill” of everything but the actual game itself.

    If that is what it takes to turn a profit in the internet age, than I’m quite sure the NBA powers will make that adjustment. With the NBA losing over $300 million last season, anything to churn a profit may be acceptable.

    We shall see..

  • http://myspace.com/emarosa Bryan

    I don’t even have a problem with him going there because I’ve been saying all along he was better as a second banana. I think it’s nice that he finally admitted it to himself. His attitude just sucks and always has. I think a lot of people expected more of him is all. I never did so I’m not upset about it.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Jahi: You weren’t alive in the 80s dude.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Ali, you’re back-tracking now. Now it’s more about “The Decision”,which I think absolutley NO ONE (except ESPN)was a fan of, and not the game itself? So which is it, really? He approached it stupidly. We all agree with that. It wouldn’t have mattered WHAT team he selected, the fans of all the bridesmaids holding the veil would have all STILL been crying. That’s fact. The reason? ‘Cause the dude’s talent level is ridiculous. Otherwise, who’d really give a fu*ck. That’s why it’s hate. Because everyone really knows that there is the potential for long-term dominance by the Heat (or the Bulls, if it would have been them)and that’s why people can’t take it. Same sh*t I’ve been saying about the Lakers for three seasons when they got Gasol for nothing. He’s not viewed as one of the top three PF’s in the league? Kobe’s not top two in the league with Wade at the SG? So where’s the difference? There is none.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    In his rookie or second year as a Bull, Scottie Pippen tried to get his teammates to call off practice because his buddy Horace Grants cat died. In short, he was a bit of a p*ssy. And let’s not forget the choking or the migranes either. Obviously Scottie put in the work, but he is still the greatest testament to Jordans career. The biggest knock on Money was that he didn’t make his teammates better. So he turned a ball boy from Arkansas into one of the top 25 ever. No one else couldve done that for Scottie. No one. To say otherwise is an outright lie.

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    cosign ANTON—Rick Kamla is such a fu#king douchebag!! how can no one see that on that network?!! also, good to see that the absolutely HONEST bandwagoners also exist…congrets Anton, youre team Bron and we know it..at least you admit it, I respect that. not certntly “the philosophers” annoying di(krides.

  • Diesel

    Bryan – I don’t think he was admitting he was a second banana while announcing his decision during his own hour long special. That sounds like someone that’s still very much in love with himself and his abilities.

  • http://twincityslim@yahoo.com Jahi

    I argue that the NBA would have benefitted most from Lebron going to New York, Bosh signing with the Houston Rockets, and Wade going to Chicago. My reasoning is that, the NFL is so enjoyable to watch because of the parity of the league, and the absence of any clear cut favorite to win the super Bowl each year, MVP, or one banner superstar carrying the league. At the same time, I do understand that the “NBA is a Corporation” and these athletes are employees, and have the freedom to choose their place of employment.

    Still, I find myself rooting for everyone but the Miami Heat, Go LAKERS?

    LeBron is Scottie Pippen 2.0, not that that is a bad thing…

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    And I’d like to consider Bron sacrificng his individual legacy as a show of selflessness, but we ALL know that once he does win, which I wholly expect him to, he’ll become even more obnoxious. So it can’t be selfless, it’s opportunisitic. He’s a Cowboy and Yankee fan and now he’s got a superteam of his own to root for. Once a frontrunner, always a frontrunner.

  • Diesel

    @Eboy – I don’t think the backlash would have been the same if he picked any other team because on any other team he’d be the focal point. Its only because he chose to join the Heat and 2 other supersatrs.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Diesel, Lebron is a member of the Heat now. I will stand up for him until he take his talents elsewhere. That is all. In turn, if you are hating on Lebron, you are hating on the Heat. I will then hate back at you. Simple formula, yes?

  • Diesel

    No I get it, and I can respect it because I’d probably be doing the same if he joined the Bulls. But you gotta admitt that when you look at the situation that even you deep down can see why people are calling out Lebron.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Diesel, stop it. Derrick Rose is supposed to be a exploding Superstar in need of one playoff series win to validate the critics annointment of him, Carlos Boozer is an All-Star and a proven commodity , Joakim Noah is a top 3 center in the league from all accounts that I’ve heard (I’m not in agreement), where is it that Lebron teaming with THEM wouldn’t have been more of a bi*ch move looking for the easy route? Please bro, I ain’t buying that BULLsh*t (literally). Bulls fans have made Taj Gibson out to be the second coming of Karl Malone too. Come on now.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    I’m not from Miami but I was actually happy to see Lebron and Wade play together. It would be the most fun thing to watch!

  • mvp23100

    Lebron has superstar help and now grown men are crying like females as if it’s unfair how many teams in the league have 3 superstars or more damn near all of em more haters say he’s pippen 2.0 only a fool would believe that talent will determine who’s the man and bron is a better player than Wade mia will be 2011 champs book that

  • cp3fan

    The GOAT has spoken. Even if they had an opportunity in free agency to play together, they wouldn’t have. That’s a fact. The competition is not what it used to be. These guys are too friendly to really go hard at each other. The only superstars left with that mentality are Kobe, KG, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. These 2K stars don’t understand what really made the NBA what it used to be. It was Michael in Chicago and everyone knew he wasn’t leaving. Magic wasn’t leaving LA and Bird wasn’t leaving Boston. Karl Malone and Stockton weren’t leaving Utah (Karl left late in his career to chase a ring). But in his prime, he wasn’t leaving Utah. And people need to stop saying that LeBron doesn’t want to be Mike because the man wore his number for 7 seasons. And stop handing the Heat the championships already. Kobe is getting healthy and resting. Gasol is resting. Phil is coming back. The Lakers are the team to beat for at least the next 3 seasons. If they win 3 more (whether Phil is there or not), I would not be surprised. And the Heat will have nothing. They will have to wait for Kobe to leave before they can start winning.

  • ShadiestBen

    @Eboy; only problem i have with what you have said today is that Kobe is top 2 in the league with Wade, in a way that you think its a debate. Kobe is an inch above everyone else in the L. Although its by the tiniest of margins i still think its clear.
    No one hates on teams when they cut/trade players without a hint of loyalty and make said player up and move there family somewhere they never wanted to go in the first place, so no one can hate on LeBron for honouring his contract then choosing to play elsewhere.

  • Ali

    Thank you Diesel! Eboy it’s about EVERYTHING! Of
    course MIA fans are going to ride with Lebron & MIA,
    a true fan would! Everyone else is painting him as
    the ultimate a-hole because as a fan you want to see
    MVP caliber players claim their dominance and snatch championships away from all competitors. Jordan has
    spoken, dudes my age grew up loving and still love
    Jordan, no matter where you are from and what team
    you loved, you had some jordan gear and watched “Come
    Fly with Me” over and over. Mike made the best out
    what he was dealt, I think he feels Lebron should
    have done the same. Quitting time our here in Germany
    stay up fellaz…

  • Diesel

    I can say right now that if Lebron joined the Bulls he’d be the undisputed best player and leader of the team. Can you say the same right now about the Heat? That’s the difference. But whatever, I don’t want to be an extra hater you have to deal with. I’ll step back now and just say I look forward to Bulls Heat matchups down the road.

  • Naiym

    Eboy: you keep stating the “all-star line-up that Jordan had”…I mean I feel you. Scottie is great, grant and the others were absolutely great players. But this team was preened together. They came in worked hard to the top Jordan made them better..he forced everone around to play at a GOAT caliber. I’m not dismissing the talents of these guys AT ALL…but Jordan is the greatest for that reason, as well as talent..EVERYONE pushed harder becasue of him, and as a result they are in the record books. LBJ got scared. I mean if he took it into perspective, Had he played college ball he would only have a career of 3 or 4 yrs right about now. He’s frikin 25!!! he has good ball;, no GREAT ball left in him. I was all for him leaving Cleveland. But man the Heat, it was such a let down. Wade is not like Jordan and Pippen…no way…you cannot make that comparison. and I bet they’ll loose in the 2nd round this first year. I mean Penny Hardaway is tryin’ to come back and play for them for goodness sakes! just sayin…

  • Mike

    Well if championship has an asterisk next to it, then let’s put an asterisk next to all of Kobe’s championships.
    3 rings playing with one of the most dominant big men.
    2 rings playing with one of the best big men currently in the league.
    Put Kobe on the Cavs with Mo Williams, Antawn and Varejao. They’re not going anywhere further than with Lebron.
    Put Lebron with Gasol, Bynum, Artest. They’ll probably do comparable to the Lakers this past year.
    Compare apples to apples.
    Jordan had Pippen, an amazing player, arguably one of the best defenders.
    Mo Williams, Antawn and Varejao are not anywhere near the same level as those teammates.
    You need help. Jordan, Kobe…stop acting like you did it on your own. Who your help is…who cares.
    I’m watching the Heat this season, it’s going to be very very entertaining.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Naiym….I never wrote that…someone else did.

  • by3by3

    You guys mj all the greats from the past can talk all they want mj never beat the pistons lakers or the celtics while isiah magic and larry were in their prime look back at it he won when everybody got old and retired plus they added more teams in the league mj was just like labron when he was young stats and not winning don’t forget mj went to college and was tought the gave by dean smith labron was tought by his high school coach y’all need to get the issue

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    Eboy:can you chill with Laker fans and Lakers players are hating/scared.True Laker fans don’t mind what other teams do we want another team to challenge our team.The only laker fans who are scared are the bandwagon “faker” fans…and “faker” fans will most likely be heat fans before the postseason .Also besides Ron Ron hosting a Fu(k Lebron party, no lakers player has shown any reaction to your new powerhouse Heat.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Uhm Royal……Kobe did….he said he didn’t even want to think about Lebron and Dwyane on the same team, like he couldn’t fathom the matchup nightmares. So there’s that.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    These past events have made me respect Reggie Miller more as a man than ever before… And I think Reggie is really Cheryl Miller in disguise.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    But he’ll take the bravado stance now, I’m sure…..why wouldn’t he? He plays for the defending champs. But he did say it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Myles Brown

    He said it. But he didnt say he couldnt beat them.

  • Ali

    Eboy are saying KOBE is scirred? Hahaha..This is the
    same KOBE whom tried to shoot the Lakers back into a game
    vs Utah as a Rookie in 98′ because Van Excel and Eddie Jones didn’t want any part of the pressue to step up! Kobe is
    fearless let’s get it str-8! If any of ya’ll know anything
    about him you should know that, Hahahaha…Cmon’ son….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Very true.

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    Yeah Eboy, but that comment does not fall under “I’m scared”
    or “I’m a hater” categories …….it seemed more like he just didn’t wanna talk in-depth about the situation. But whatever ……

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    That must explain the 6-24 finale and being carried to the finish line by Pau, that shooting “bravado”. Lebron quits, Kobe shoots like sh*t….it’s a pattern.

  • http://kb24.com DreXnaW21

    The Miami Heat are gonna lose 1st or 2nd because of LeBron, Chris Bosh has hardly any playoff experience and DWade is gonna get mad at LeBron in the future, watch, and Kobe gonna geet his 6th ring

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    Just read your last comment so nevermind .

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    See, it can be fun, right????????????

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    So why is Eboy being villanized for being happy about his team and talking about championships when dumbos can still come in here and talk about how Kobe is gonna get his 6th and how awesome Kobe is?
    I’m out. Peace.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Jukai; So what’s your point.. How is Eboy being villanized?

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Myles has demonstrated that he is indeed mentally retarded. Of course, mike helped pip, but to hear u say it, mike made him out of playdoh, did a voodoo dance, and controlled his every move. Jeez, ur funny. Pip helpd mike too.

  • cp3fan

    Kobe grabs double digit rebounds to help his team win when his shot is not falling. LeBron decides to stop being aggressive altogether. Michael forced his teammates to be great. Kobe gets in his teammates faces when they are not stepping up. LeBron backs away from a challenge knowing already that he is leaving Cleveland when the season is over. He knew he wasn’t staying. LeBron is a regular season MVP. Kobe is a post season MVP. He changes his shot while two fingers are messed up. The difference between LeBron and Kobe. LeBron has won nothing and has to play with Wade to try to win one. Kobe says no, bring people here because I’m not going anywhere unless I absolutely have to. They give him a great big man, he wins two more championships with room for more. LeBron knew in 08 that he was gone. If LeBron does not win with the Heat, oh how awful a hit he will take. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens.

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    In 20 years nobody will remember 6-24, “The Colorodo Showdown”
    or “Shaq-gate”. All people will remember is his 5+ rings on his fingers. Same with Lebron , if he wins 3+ rings nobody will talk about the “Decision”. But I don’t think anyone will forget the ” Gloria West Scandal” ha ha

  • ron

    hey, the old man is right.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy has like half the comments on this thread. That’s crazy.
    Mike made Scottie improve, but don’t shortchange Scottie for doing the work in the gym and weight room, and turning hiself into an amazing player. Mike couldn’t force him to do shooting drills, or hit the weights, that had to come from inside. After all, Jordan didn’t turn Dickie Simpkins or Luc Longley into stars and both of them were touted highly, if I’m not mistaken.
    Joining up with the best in the game is different from taking your lumps together and becoming a dynamic duo. If Durant and Westbrook become the two best in the game, (which is possible) it will be different from Chris Paul and Melo signing on the same team as free agents.
    But, I think cats need to see how Lebron handles things before they predict who will be the man, who will get a big head, and who will be dominant. I know speculation is fun, but damn.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    “Things are different. I can’t say that’s a bad thing. It’s an opportunity these kids have today.” When you pair it with his other comment about never playing with Bird or Magic, that can in no way be interpreted as “Yeah, these guys are p***y.” No way.

  • D12FSU

    The NBA regular season is going to be long boring countdown to the postseason, really only 4 teams have a legitimate chance, BOS ORL and MIA from the east, and LA in the west…because after last season im convinced no west team will be able to bring down the lakers till kobe retires or gasol leaves…..and now my take on the miami situation…really everyone is jealous, yes the whole TV thing was a d0uche thing to do, but if LeBron had gone to your favorite team, you wouldnt be mad at him (although miami ppl here need to settle down..we’re not the ones playing the game)…I didnt like LeBron before all this and i will continue to not like LeBron, but i dont get all the animosity towards MJ…all he did is saying HE wouldnt do what LeBron did, he didnt compare himself with LeBron in anyway, he just said he wouldnt have been a p#ssy and joined another team because winning was too hard :’( (GO MAGIC)

  • The D Train

    Eboy’s comment about pullin’ for Lebron while he’s in Miami is something all basketball fans should appreciate. Root for the laundry, right? In my eyes it is more enjoyable to root for an organization than a single player. Mercenary-style tactics and a$$hole-like behavior make it difficult to really pull for a good majority of the entitled elite…you know, the one’s that are actually the most entertaining to watch. I’m a Bulls fan. When MJ, Phil and Scottie left the cupboard bare, I rode the tough years out. Elton Brand, Eddy Curry, Tyson Chandler, Jason Williams…it hasn’t been pretty. But I wasn’t jumping on the Wizards bandwagon when Money came out of retirement. Frankly, I root for the Bulls because of the organization, the Blazers because they are my local team, and the Mavs because I LOVED the Nash/Nowitzki/Finley trey-some. And other than Nash, Nowitzki, Derrick Rose and maybe Brandon Roy, there is not a single player in the league who could shift my allegiance(s) to anything more than a passing fancy (Durant would be on that list except for the whole OKC-Seattle connection. I find it painful to see what he is becoming and know it could have happened in my backyard, even though I respect the hell out of the way he carries himself.) Eboy is going to pull for Lebron because he’s on his favorite team. Is he acting like a petulant child at times because of the “hate” that the Heat are getting? Sure. I would defend that by saying that Heat fans are catching an insane amount of crap. HOWEVER, I would also note that Eboy’s first comments after Lebron’s announcement, and even prior, were full of venom and vitriol towards anyone who didn’t agree with his assessment of the Heat’s then- or potential roster. Unfortunately, and I’ve mentioned this before, Eboy’s comments on here reek of Laker-Fan Boy’ism. It’s not enough these days to win, you have to crow about it after and say sh1t like “marinate in the hate.” It’s almost like fans have adopted the “no one believed in us but us” concept, and taken it to the extreme that they are completely insufferable to anyone who didn’t ride the wagon as long as they did, or god forbid, choose to have a differing opinion and like another team instead. At the end of the day there is only one winner. The Heat won the Lebron Sweepstakes. Good for them. I literally turned on the show and at about the 10 min mark I felt ill. I wanted the Bulls to have the best shot at a ring. But Lebron was coming off as a douche-bag of the highest order (which, as I’ve noted before, I’ve always felt like he was a douche, but at least appeared to be a somewhat-likable douche prior to this FA process), and I turned to my wife, and for the first time in the entire process decided that I didn’t want Lebron. Would I really want to root for this self-indulgent, arrogant a$$ for 3-5 years? At that moment, no. Of course, had he announced that he was “taking his talents to the Windy City,” I probably would have gone bat$hit and started prematurely counting rings. At the end, maybe I’m more happy than I would have been (debatable) had LBJ signed with the Bulls. But I can tell you this: watching Thibs and Chicago use their money to actually appear to put together a team in the best sense of the word, (Rebounding/defensive center, low post bruising PF, a couple of three’s who can shoot the rock, a defender/slasher at the two, and a on-the-come up PG, along with you young forwards off the pine) only shows that not all hope is lost for everyone else. And it would make it sweeter than a sh1t-dipped cherry if Chicago could beat Miami. Likely? Probably not, but, like Eboy would have been doing if the shoe was on the other foot, I will still ride with my team and so I HAVE to find faults in the Heat’s super-team. Otherwise what is the point of watching/debating? If everyone just acquiesces and hands over the keys to the Eastern Conference for the next 5 years, shouldn’t all non-Heat fans just abort their NBA fandom for that time period? We piss and moan because we care. Heat fans are in the minority: they’re in the minority because there will be many more rooting against them for various reasons. BUT, they are also in the minority because they get to watch 2 of the 3 best players in the league, and arguably 3 of the top 10-15, play on their team. That means you’ve got a slight competitive advantage. And that means you have to put up with all of us fans of lesser-talented teams casting stones at you. After all, heavy is the head that wears the paper crown, right?

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I’m not shortchanging Pip, I just don’t think he’d have the incentive to do those things if he wasn’t with Mike. Mike started the Breakfast Club, Mike went up against SP everyday in practice, Mike counseled Scottie on how to lead the team when he was gone. Scottie wouldn’t have absorbed the work ethic or mentality to become a six time champ without Mike. No one else in the league at that time couldve turned him into the player he became so I give Mike the credit.

  • The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!

  • http://www.twitter.com/JoshElam JE

    I love Scottie, but Myles’ 10:53 comment made me laugh my ass off. I’d never heard the legend of Horace Grant’s dead cat before.

  • http://www.twitter.com/JoshElam JE

    And just to state the obvious, NO ONE can rack up comments faster than Michael Jordan.

  • bill breedley

    can’t wait for all the arenas to start chanting “SIDEKICK SIDEKICK” istead of “MVP” everytime lepippen goes to the line. totally would make my day

    SIDKICK SIDEKICK

  • http://nba.com Reflex

    Eboy, if I didn’t know better Miami already won a Chip in recent years so act like you understand what a Championship team is, cos you should. Except you’re one of these noveau ‘fans’ which wouldn’t surprise me….As for you typing ‘Your mom’s looking for you…needs you to take the garbage out’ (1) Aren’t you a grown ass man? (2) That retort is weak, like your squad really. (3) Wipe the sand out of your vagina & STOP CATCHING FEELINGS.

  • Lawrence

    AMEN.the MASTER has spoken…

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    Eboy is my new favorite ish-talker. You guys shouldn’t have been so mean to him. Haha

  • unrel

    everyone’s comments started to get really annoying.. no offense to anyone.. but damn..

  • http://slam Kid Canada

    no he wouldn’t team up with bird and johnson but they are way better than bosh and wade and jordan had pippen and rodman who are way better than bosh&wade

  • MP73

    I agree with Jordan and there is nothing wrong with what Lebron did…but he showed his insecurity and self doubt in his abilties which made him look weak and desperate. On one hand he’s called himeself the “king” or “chosen one” but yet left his team and joined Wade’s. He took a pay cut. He’s only25 but already ring chasing.

  • Yesse

    Well, i thought about this situation like this from the beginning. MJ is right, and it is probably to first thing i agree with him.

  • http://www.twitter.com/JoshElam JE

    ^I’ll agree that Rodman was better than Bosh (for all intents and purposes, being defense and rebounding), but Horace Grant wasn’t. And Pippen was not better than Dwyane Wade.

  • O

    Don’t forget that they each have an opt-out option after 4 years. I wouldn’t be surprised if they won one or no rings, LeBron will bolt or even Wade to Chicago.

  • KCFountains

    Who cares what this retired douchebag thinks? He was on tremendously talented teams they just didn’t have the offensive firepower of this new-fangled Heat. kid canada is right. i’d take rodman over bosh in a heartbeat.

  • ciroqobama

    D train needs a friend! Type more dude wow

  • riggs

    I used to think Eboy was crossing a line with his fanaticism and turning into an a**, even though he’s one of my favorite commentators on here. BUT now I’m on his side after reading some the dredge some of you people are putting on this website. holy crap from saying your OPINIONS are fact to making blatantly outright lies about what former players would or wouldn’t do, some of you guys are some misspelling morons.

  • Hurricane

    Lakers are the team to beat & Eboy needs a LIFE

  • bball purist

    Jordan is dead on – LeBron couldn’t bear the load even with more help in a few years in Cleveland because he really isn’t a clutch player like Dwayne Wade. Dwayne will protect him now in crunch time and take most of the big shots under pressure.

    LexLuthor – “he’s getting a chance to live his life with one of his best friends in the second (behind atlanta) biggest party city in the NBA.”

    >>>>> Bahahahahaaaa lmNBAao

  • Hurricane

    Eboy you want to talk 6-24, lets talk 3-14 LMFAO & blown out by 32, GTFOH

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    I think one of the big things that should be considered is that Magic, MJ and Larry were never free agents all at the same time and they didn’t like each other. The Miami 3 are friends off the court who all came into FA at the same time and a team had enough money to sign them. I would bet that if the situation had presented itself back in MJ’s time and they could have added a Magic and/or Bird to the team, he would have tried to recruit them like crazy. Why wouldn’t he? The idea to put together the best team you can. I agree with Barkley’s comments on LBJ going to Miami and think LBJ’s legacy will always be ‘shortchanged’ because of this move. Ten years after he retires, regardless of how many rings he has, people will remember how he left Cleveland and joined his friends to chase rings. Nothing wrong with that, just something I don’t think will ever be forgotten when fans are looking at his career in retrospect.

  • http://slamonline.com JL

    you can’t compare the bulls with jordan+pippen+whoelse with the current heat, because they drafted all three. the current heat team got together is a wussy move by being “unselfish” and just getting on the team with all the big boys. can’t bag these guys because they are all taking less money, from the top to the bottom. but really, does winning a ring mean losing millions? and millions to a bench player is way more to them than to lebron or wade. james jones just took a 25% pay cut. who does that kinda stuff? mike miller had the fulle exception at least offered to him, and he takes 5 mil a year or less. mind baffling. almost too good to be true, but there’s nothing to show otherwise.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jon W.

    @Eboy, u know u not the only heat fan who there from the jump. I was with them thru 15 wins, when for some reason seeing the Heat beat the friggin’ Kings was some kind of achievement and made me proud. I stayed with them even when there was no way they could beat Boston after being down 0-3, and I stuck with them with or without Wade in the game. As far as I’m concerned, all of this is redemption for going thru that horrible 07-08 season……….

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    THANK YOU MJ, ABOUT TIME SOMEONE STATED LEBRON DOESN”T HAVE THE MENTAL TOUGHNESS TO HANDLE BEING THE MAN. This is the real question. how will Wade and Lebron respond to MJ. Will they stay quiet, or try to act bad. Wade and Lebron worship the ground MJ played on. Now MJ is killing Lebron in media and making it worst for him and Wade is on team Jordan. Bosh doesn’t matter and the funny thing is HE WILL NEVER MATTER. MJ already stated on a youtube clip that Kobe is better than Lebron. Now MJ is finally learning to say how he feels. I am proud of MJ, now and will let his Republicans buy tennis shoes comment wash away. MJ called out LeQuitta. LOL!!!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Hey Jon….well first of all, welcome here into the den of the lions filled with basketball stupidity, but when I reference myself as a Heat fan from the jump, I means since their first season in 1989. That’s when I first followed them when they were a laughing stock. I’ve been one of two Heat fans that comment on the SLAM site since this place first got a web address about 10 years ago, so that’s where my words come from. I’m not better than any other Heat fan, just ready to battle for the boys if need be. I’m also their worst critic (you should have read my words when they won 15 games 3 seasons ago) so I know what both sides of the coin are. Heat fans have NEVER had this type of team to be ready to cheer for. So anyone that questions my (or any Heat fans)giddiness about the future either has never been a fan of a winner or lives like a perpetual loser.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    One of the stupid lions just came in for their afternoon feeding.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “or lives like a perpetual loser.” Funny I wrote that and then The Seed showed up. Oh, the irony.

  • truthteller

    Eboy,you are just as annoying as you claim we Lakers fans are! So, how does it feel to be hated?

  • Q

    Everyone, just ignore Eboy. He posts a comment like every 5 or 6 posts. He is some type of insecure, control freak. People like that who have to have it viewed “their” way will never listen to reason. He talks about hate, yet his hate for Kobe or whomever is “opposite” of his precious LeBron knows no bounds. Eboy is blog megalomaniac, and too many feed his ego. Just because one knows some stats and have a basic knowledge of the game doesn’t me one knows what they are talking about. He brings up Kobe every chance he gets.

    Kobe could score 50, shoot 18-31, and Eboy will say something. He acts like Kobe’s shooting struggles in game 7 was his only performance against Boston. They won the championship.
    I love me some Michael Jordan, but I’ve seen many a final Game 6 were Michael finished with 2 assists and 2 rebounds or something. Kobe pulled down 15 rebounds against the BEST defensive team in the league. That is a MAN, son. Hell, Carmelo Anthony gave it to LBJ this year.

    Kobe’s leadership helped develop Pau Gasol, Artest, and Fisher and the crew to the point where they were able to carry him. I guess Eboy forgot Kobe’s game winner at Boston this year, or his 7 game winners this season alone. This Eboy guy is a joke, and I don’t know why so many on this board tolerate him.

    This is how you hold someone like him accountable. Not that it will make a difference to him. His beloved Jordan just let it be known how we viewed it, even though he (Jordan) was diplomatic. When the Heat when the championship at some point, it will cheapen sports for us all. And this is tolerated because of shallow posers like Eboy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jon W.

    @Eboy, dude, I wasn’t even born in ’89, otherwise the Heat would be me. And I didn’t watch, play, or know a thing about basketball until 3 or 4 years ago. But once I got into it, D-Wade was my guy, the Heat were my team. Btw, i did read some of your stuff on the heat of 07-08……

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jon, it’s all good, I got your back if anyone messes with you if you post your opinions!!!!!

  • Hurricane

    Yeah that’s why Eboy doesn’t respond to me, cause he got BURNED & is a B#@$H, COMMENTING ON THIS SITE FOR 10 YEARS?, WHAT A LOSER, YOU SHOULD AT LEAST GIVE THIS LOSER A JOB SLAM

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    truthteller, here’s the rub bro, there’s like 100 of you Laker-lovin’ characters on here, I’m just me. My girl Cheryl is a hit and run commenter, so it’s me (and now my boy Jon W) against the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, at least the SLAM commenting world.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jon W.

    I would also like to add one more thing. Kobe is still a better player than D-Wade, LeBron, and close to Michael. And I also think Pau is WAY, WAY better than Bosh. No offense CB1……
    But despite all that the Heat are my faves cuz of the way Dwyane carries himself, because of the way this team fought through the bad years, the doubters, etc.
    I have often tried to see what’s better about LeBron (over Kobe) but I can’t find anything. Kobe IS a good passer, just not an interested passer. Kobe IS a good rebounder, he proved that in this year’s finals. Plus Kobe’s footwork is better, his ball-handling is better, and I would say he is still a better defender (except for the Rondo goof-ups :) . Plus, as we all know Kobe is a far better shooter (sorry Bron). I would like to see the Heat beat the Lakers, but at this point, I would say unlikely…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jon W.

    sorry Eboy, if the lake show (kobe thing) disappoints lol…….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Hurricane, I will look at your asinine comment and respond to it. Give me a minute, dipsh*t.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jon Wallenberger is about to lose me as a fan!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jon W.

    it’s like a freakin war!! The Lexington and MJ Comments year 1776

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jon W.

    “Lakers are the team to beat & Eboy needs a LIFE” Is this supposed to be the thing I was afraid to answer to, Hurricane? Wow, buddy, I’m not even sure where to begin.

  • O

    My man Ron Artest put LBJ on blast. Can’t handle the heat of NYC, then go to Miami…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jon W.

    The difference between DW3 and KB24 is that #3 don’t do any of that one-on-one stuff, and he is a REAL team player, that’s something I will never say about Kob’
    THAT’S why DW3 is my man..

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    EBOY
    Your new boy Jon W. sounds like an undercover Kobe and Lakers fan. I am a Lakers fan and I am not taking Gasol over Bosh in the Lakers triangle offense. LOL!!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jon W.

    WTF??? A hacker….

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    as an oakland fan, i can’t wait till the next warriors vs. heat game. can you imagine what the over/under is gonna be? you’re gonna see fastbreaking basketball and offensive craftiness at its finest

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    and what jordan said was very fair and truthful. he sounds more indifferent than anything

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Honestly, I have no complaints basketball-wise. Miami will be fun to watch for some, fun to root against for everyone else. How Lebron handled this entire thing was beyond terrible, and coupled with his playoff flameout, his “legacy” is already gone. How do you become a “global icon” as the world’s biggest sidekick?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Kieran

    Who are all these people who hate Miami apart from scared Lakers fans?

    Seriously Mutoni you really need to work on being impartial. I cant really take anything you say seriously as you always have your own agenda.
    Im a Sixers fan but as a fan of basketball the best player in the NBA teaming up with probably the most exciting player in Wade is pretty exciting.

  • javy

    When talking about BBall and championships and who is better, I think we have a good “Standard”: Mr. Airness the greatest.
    So if he is not a fan, I am not a fan…..As simple as that.
    You can read all you want, you can play (As I do) all you want, you can be a trainer for all I care.
    When it comes to basketball,he is the supreme court of justice.
    Remember only when it comes to basketball so don’t get into any of the personnal stuff you guys like to do!!

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Bosh>Gasol…GTFOH

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I thought Seed was cool until the comment about Bosh being better than Gasol. I just hope those knees of Wade and Bosh hold up EBOY…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Wow, Eboy…as a person who routinely goes back-and-forth w/commenters, I must say that I’m impressed at both your willingness to carry on multiple debates, but most of all, your flippancy is incredibly impressive I must say. I hereby pass the battling in a comment section torch to you because if I’ve learned one thing, it’s that you can’t win a comment section. No matter what you say. Carry on my friend…

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    I don’t think people truly “hate” this Miami team. Everyone knew Bosh was shopping himself as a sidekick since the regular season ended; Wade comes off as a savvy leader and mastermind. Neither man is truly worthy of “hate”. The bulk of this dislike stems from Lebron, something that “The Decision” greatly exacerbated, I think.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I dislike Bosh bc of how overrated he has become only bc he is part of the 2010 free agents. He’s not a franchise player and he is not a superstar. He is just a tall ass SF.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bryan, it’s kind of hard to stay serious in this discussions. I’m not sure if that’s ever possible when Lebron’s name is in an argument. Also, it just hit me that it IS summer and the kids are out and on the internets so……….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    *this=these *is it

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, this is true. Like I’ve told you before, since I respect you based on our past exchanges, then I respect the fact that you have to protect your guy (LBJ). I don’t agree with it (his move or defending him), but I think it’s great for you guys down there, so enjoy it. While it lasts anyway. Hopefully your 3 ring prediction comes true.

  • CSP8

    I’m not going to make any ring predictions but don’t be surprised if they take their anger out on the court against the Bobcats lol

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I definitely don’t hate this Miami team, and that so many people hate them only makes me hope that they win.

  • truthteller

    @Eboy,
    So are you admiting that you were just hatin’ on Kobe and the lakers all this time ’cause “your team” sucked or are you just hopping on the bandwagon of a team, the only team that has a solid chance (and it’s still a longshot)at dethroning the lakers?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Honestly, screw this whole “I wanted to beat them” BS. I mean, that’s a great way of looking at it, but are you telling me Magic Johnson and Kareem AJ weren’t in the same league as each other? Why don’t I hear Magic saying “I wanted to beat Kareem.”
    Seriously, I get it: You DON’T join with your rival, usually. But Wade/Bron/Bosh have never been rivals… You don’t see LeBron joining Dwight Howard in Orlando, nor do you see Wade joining Dallas.
    Sheeit, Earl Monroe (Clyde Frazier’s rival) joined the Knicks and they won a CHAMPIONSHIP in ’73!

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Eboy; I would hope to think that most of the sports world isn’t necessarily mad at the Heat, but more @ Lebron and his poor showing of willingness to compete… Not to mention the destruction of is legacy and all that viewed him as “The Man”. Its hilarious that LBJ destroyed the Kobe/LBJ argument instantly

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I like how most Lakers fans who h@te this Big 3 completely ignore the Showtime Lakers’ Big 3, or the Shaq/Kobe duo. OR OR the stacking of FOUR Hall of Famers, Kobe/Shaq/Payton/Malone, which actually LOST to the Pistons. But hey, those weren’t stacking, right? They weren’t chasing rings, they didn’t care about winning.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bryan….I’ll be honest, I don’t know if they can win more than one, but they will win one. truthteller, if you think I’m bandwagoning the Heat, then there’s no reason to discuss anything further.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    As a Lakers fan, I’d just like to say that I was more afraid of the Denver Nuggets last year than I am of the Heat this year. That being said, I think it will be awesome if the Heat can some how find a way to beat a team like the Magic or the Celtics that actually have NBA players on their bench so that we can really see the NBA Finals David Stern so desperately wants.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Another stupid lion must have got hungry.

  • CSP8

    Oh and Shaq is a not a winner either because he couldnt do it by himself. A true leader would’ve stayed in Orlando and waited another 10 years for help…. lol gtfoh

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    @ Brad; the Heat don’t need a bench.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    KAP
    I would take Bosh in the Lakers offense over Gasol, see you saying Bosh is overrated, Bosh is being overrated now, because he plays with Kobe and he has two rings now. Bosh can shoot better, rebounding is about the same, Bosh can finish at rim better, runs the floor better, can take over games better. Gasol is better defensivelly and has a better post game. Bosh is better in the Lakers triangle offense. BOOK IT!!

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @ Spaceship Jay…don’t be stupid

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Spaceship Jay:I know, because they don’t have any players to come off of it. But the sideline would look weird if Erik Spoelstra was sitting with the fans.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    ^^^Gasol is being overrated now in comment.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    Aight, sit down and open your ears, its my turn. For the people who hate on Eboy day in and day out, get off. LeBron was and is a douche, but I can still kinda see his reason for leaving, even though I feel like that if I had his skills, being as competitve as I am, I would want to beat Kobe on my own, but thats just me. Shout out to Diesels’s huge post earlier today, you people should read that. I have been hating on Bron for the past few days, and will continue, because I lost respect for the guy, its like he has no fire inside him whatsoever. Truth be told, Jordan probably thinks all 3 of these guys are wusses for wanting to play together so they could accumulate rings. I mean it was Bron’s decision, it was up to him, but I still think it was a complete cop-out on his part. I can’t blame Bosh for wanting out of Toronto, who wants to play there anyway? It’s no secret that all 3 of these guys planned this 2 or 3 years in advance, I will agree with what Cp3fan said earlier, he said that LeBron quit because he knew he wasn’t coming back, and it was the truth. No point in taking a chance on an injury that would prevent the move to South Beach. He didn’t decide to go there out of the blue one day, it was an orchestrated plan, and its pathetic. But, don’t hate Eboy because he’s talkin smack about his team, he’s been rollin with Miami since day 1, literally(read his 1:55 P.M. post). Hate on the team itself. They look good on paper, but I’m not a believer. I have said it over and over, and will repeat myself until you people get the picture, the Lakers are the 2-time defending champions, not Miami, so they have to be the favorites. It will be no easy task for the Heat to get by Boston in the East and then unseat the Lakers in the Finals. Wait and see. They haven’t got anything in the bag. It’s a long season, injuries happen, player fallouts happen, you just don’t know how this team will mesh. 3 huge egos, one basketball. I respect you as a poster Eboy, always have, but I can’t help but hate the crap out of LeBron for being such a douche. I will never like the guy again.

  • ab_40

    MIA that team is gonna bust at leat this year in these playoffs. Boston had realy good vets like sam cassel / pj brown to jump in when perkins, rondo and powe weren’t on their game. this team has no young talents on it. just bodies ready to be worn the f out after about 50 games. Of course they’re gonna put the beatdown on some teams but eve ry thing they do and win will be with an aterisk.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    GTFOH if you think Bosh is better shooter and finishes around rim better or that rebounding is a wash. I always that the criticism towards you wasn’t warranted but now I see you don’t get enough of it. How do you think Bosh would of performed against Boston especially game 7? Anytime Paul Pierce embarrasess you, your manhood will be questioned.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Kap, the “cornyness” of the new Heat team will set in when you realize that if you put LBJ and Wade on the bench, they’ll at the very least be the 2009 Raptors. If you have LBJ and Bosh on the bench, they’ll at least be the 2009 Heat. Etc… keep going… See what I mean? Ah’la the Lakers not really having/needing a bench. And I doubt they’ll be benched all 3 at a time. What are those called? Rotitions? Rozitions? OH, ROTATIONS! You just got smarter today Kap.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, I’m not sure if I’ve said it here–I know I’ve said it on Twitter–but like you, I don’t see Miami winning more than one title. This team wasn’t assmebled to stay together, it was assembled to win championships…NOW. I just hope for LeBron’s sake that he does win more than one in Miami because anything less than that, I see him moving from the hated category into the overrated category which for him would be akin to the death of his career, image, brand, etc.

  • Kundai

    Its only bad when lebron does it though i dont see anyone getting mad at Shaq for leaving orlando as he entered his prime in his 4th year. His orlando averages are ridiculous 27.2 points and 12.4 rebounds and a finals appearance and an olympic gold medal. sound familiar people loved him in LA and he was with Kobe, Magic at one point, van axcel, Horry, fisher like come on. unless people have to say that kobe isnt as good as wade? which we all know isnt true. so its all being blown out people are going to love lebron again.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Spaceship Jay…I don’t know what the hell you are talking about. I think i just got dumber not smarter reading that lol

  • Kundai

    after his 4th year*

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Sigh. I’m sure.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Kundai…He didn’t leave Orlando to piggyback to championships. He went to LA bc he was Hollywood and Orlando was not trying to pay what LA was offering. Remeber the GOAT was just drafted and was an unknown.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Towelie from South Park just stepped up to Eboy’s computer “I have no idea what’s going on.”

  • http://twincityslim@yahoo.com Jahi

    The lack of parity and competiveness in the NBA is going to be the kneel of the NBA. For those who actually listen to what the owners are saying, the league is bleeding money, and lost $300 million last fiscal year. If the NBA doesn’t change course, the NBA will go the way of the ABA, nothing about the LeBron move was good for the longterm health of the “NBA corporation.”

  • The D Train

    @Crawf’s 3:05 comment: our country loves to build them up and tear them down, right? You’re spot-on with the “Lebron better win more than one or he’s overrated” theory. Hell, it’s already out there in some camps. The Wilt-connection is the one that makes the most sense at this point. Larger-than-life and physically gifted even moreso than the other athletes he competes against. History looks less kindly at Wilt because he ONLY won two titles. Titles aren’t easy to come by. If the standard by which the greats are measured by is titles, then Lebron has to approach his contemporaries to be even considered one of the greatest of his era. Kobe’s at 5, with 2 sans Shaq. Lebron would have needed to sniff 3 just to be on somewhat equal footing with Kobe. Jumping to play with Wade probably bumps up the curve…how many titles does he have to win to justify the move? Any/every year Miami doesn’t win, isn’t it just another nail in his legacy’s coffin? Even two titles in five years would be far short of what is reasonable to expect from a team starting 3/5 of the Eastern Conf All Stars, right?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jahi must not realize that in the last 30 seasons only 7 teams have won titles. Yes, the parity has sure killed the league so far.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Lebron can still have a better legacy than Kobe.
    Win three/four championships with the Heat, make sure he has more finals MVPs than Wade does.
    Leave in 2014 (New Jersey nets) and win one or two championships on his own.
    Wont he be a top-5 over Kobe player then?
    I’ve never thought Lebron didn’t have the fire or didn’t care about his legacy— I thought this move was ALL about legacy. Lebron saw Kobe, he saw Kareem, he saw West and he saw Oscar, and he learned something important… it don’t matter if you only can win one championship as ‘the man’ cause people will lump all of them together regardless. I think Lebron, for lack of a better word, is cheating. He’s getting championships the easy way, so then he can go out when he’s still in his prime (WHO SIGNS a six year contract with only FOUR GUARENTEED YEARS) and win one by himself.
    Is this far fetched, for a guy who plans for f’ing everything?
    Also, a big LOL@Jahi, for talking about lack of parity in his last comment while previously remeniscing the 80s, a time when only four/five teams had a shot of winning the title the ENTIRE CENTURY

  • The D Train

    the parity argument always gets me. sh1t, there are only 3-4 legitimate superstars, then a good slew of studs. but EVERYONE needs help. and frankly there’s just not enough talent out there to spread amongst all the teams. the NBA is the perfect microcosm of our country: ruled by the wealthy and talented elite. there is a reason that the league markets individuals more than teams, and there is a reason that the teams that have won titles have featured Kobe, Duncan, Wade, Shaq, Jordan, Olajuwon, Bird, Magic. it’s a superstar league, with only a few superstars.

  • The D Train

    The weird thing about Lebron is that he’s going to have to work on his fundamental skills for his later years. Kobe is all about that stuff now, because the body takes a giant beating driving to the hole all those years. So if Lebron does win 3-4 titles in Miami, then bolts, he’d better start honing the jumper and work on his post game. The bulldozer-method will not serve him so well at 30 years old, especially when you consider how many minutes he’ll have played by then. Playing in the playoffs every year, and coming into the NBA at such a young age, it’s interesting to see…and Kobe and KG are probably the first two where we see this…how their bodies hold up over the years. KG had less wear and tear because Minny wasn’t in the playoffs. Obviously Kobe is a more apt comparison because of playoff minutes and the fact that him and Lebron both play on the wing. So if Lebron were planning on doing the a$$-backwards scenario of ring-chasing in his early years, then trying to fly solo in his later career, he’d have to start working on altering his game so he doesn’t fall off a cliff when the physical aspects of the game start taking a more pronounced toll on him.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    ^^ goes without saying. Yer right.
    Although I would NOT say KG is holding up well, considering he missed most of last year and a lot of this year.

  • Jackie Moon

    Here’s the difference between all the other scenarios people are using to compared to Lebron (Celtics Big Three, Kobe Trade Demands 2007)… those guys all left teams that won fewer than 45 games the previous season. When is the last time a franchise player willingly left a 60-plus win team?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    I don’t think people are p!ssed because they’re scared…I think people are p!ssed/hate the Heat because it all felt manufactured, which it pretty much was. Three starting all-stars saying to eachother “Let’s go to one city and win some chips” just makes everyone feel like they’re cheating.
    And Eboy kicked some @ss in this comments section.

  • Sergio

    213 Comments. Only MJ.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    D Train: IMO, Bron will have to win at least 2-3 titles in his first 4 years in Miami to even justify the move. If MIA doesn’t, the backlash/fallout from that is going to be huge. You think it’s bad now? I think even his supporters/apologists would have a hard time defending him then. Since the argument in Cleveland was that he had “no help”, if they fall short and win the one title I am predicting for him, the argument will surely morph into the help that he had (sans DWade & Bosh) wasn’t “good enough.”

  • http://fdsjklfl.com Jukai

    It pains me to agree with anything Bryan Crawford says, but he’s right.
    For Lebron, this is quick reward VERY high risk. If he wins 2-3 titles? People will forget what he did and act like Lebron won regular championships. If he LOSES though… oh good lord, it’s not going to be pretty. He needs to get to the finals at the very least this year, and then championships better follow.
    Ironically, I can see Wade and Bosh escaping unscaved.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Agree with jukai, tho I think u meant decade, not century. Eboy and bryan saying heat will only win one is funny, bryan is a hater, and eboy is being bashful or just hedging his bets. I think mia will win 4 titles, after spurs win it this year!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wouldn’t it all depend on how the season went?
    I mean, folks said Lebron didn’t have help because when you look at the next four best players on his team in Cleveland they were Mo Williams, Antawn Jamison, Varejo and Shaq.
    That ain’t a lot of help, and even if you throw Larry Hughes in there for old times sake, it ain’t much.
    If Lebron goes to Miami and somebody gets injured, or the role players can’t give the big three any help, people are going to take a look at the situation and come to the appropriate conclusion. At least smart people will. People with agendas are predispositions to discount or praise Lebron will see what they want to see no matter what happens.
    If the Heat win next four championships, many, many folks will still say it was no big deal.

  • The D Train

    Bryan: I agree, although I don’t think 2 is even enough. I cannot fathom Lebron coming out of this looking good unless they pull out three titles in 4 or 5 years. One could argue that Miami is more top-heavy than the Lakers, and they’ve pulled out two in three years. I’ve asked this previously, but if Kobe and Lebron joined up, wouldn’t we expect them to win every year? Is Wade that much of a drop-off from Wade? If you think, like I do, that the difference between Wade and Kobe is not that large, then it stands to reason that even two titles in four years has to be considered a let-down. And if they end up losing to the Lakers, doesn’t that just make the light shine so much brighter on Kobe? If him, Pau and Co. can defeat Lebron even after he teams up with Wade and Bosh, I would think it would simultaneously raise Kobe’s standing while diminishing Lebron’s.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Eboy, I have some advise, embrace the hate, its fun. Ive always enjoyed when fools would hate on the spurs. Theyre boring, manu and tony are the opposite of boring. Hate on bowen, as he shut down everyone. Hate horry, as he bathes in clutch time. I dont mind, even like, fans and players hating on the spurs. But joey crawford! And refs, league in general, its been some incredible siht go against the spurs, notably 08 wcf, fu(k you joey crawford!!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Tarzan calls me a hater and then turns around and says the Spurs will win it all. Sigh, I guess being a hater is still far better than being a moron.

  • Trevor

    I agree 100%

  • T-Money

    Let. The. Season. Play. Out. I’ll throw a curveball at all of ya’ll that already have the 10/11 season figured out what if maybe, may-be… the TWO-TIME REIGNING MVP proves to still be the best player on this new Heat team and demonstrates on the basketball court that he’s a superior player than D-Wade (a fact that almost no analyst disputed before July 8). Then what? What’s the narrative then? It’s chic to say that LeBron has officially become Pip to Wade’s MJ but serious basketball analysts know that the comparison doesn’t hold. Pip was never, ever MJ’s equal. How can you be 2nd banana to someone that’s not as good as you are or at WORST equal? This is not Pip/MJ, this is something the league has never seen. Enjoy or hate, but you’re going to watch.

  • The D Train

    AllenP, your final sentence is interesting. I guess that’s the part of expectations in this whole scenario. In a top-heavy league where you combine three of the top 15 players, you don’t have the benefit of gelling, or coming in any worse than second place. Frankly, I thought Miami was a lose-lose for Lebron. It’s always written/reported that staying on the top of the mountain is harder than getting there in the first place. Well what if, in all your greatness, perceived and real, you couldn’t even get to the top one time? And what if you had to have help…not just help, but ultimately a stacked deck? You say four titles in four season might be dismissed by some. Unfortunately true, but when you are either Favorite A, or Favorite 1A, that’s the weight that’s bestowed upon you.

  • T-Money

    As far as LBJ, I want him to embrace the hate. Then beat the dogsh-t out of the other NBA teams (à la Luke in Lebatard’s most recent article). Don’t try to convert them by playing nice, block the noise, take no prisoners and beat the hell out of everybody and win multiple rings. Critics will come around, they always do (mind you that fans not on message boards have never left and bron will still be top 3 in the league in popularity and his jersey will sell everywhere).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Money
    No analyst said Wade was better than Lebron, but you know I’ve discussed the possibility for the past two to three years, and have had Kobe, Lebron and Wade in a virtual dead heat. And I have a homie who swears that Wade is the best in the League and doesnt’ get his proper respect.
    Pip wasn’t on Jordan’s level as far as scoring, toughness or clutchness. But, at everything else, i would hazard to say he was better than Jordan, or his equal.

  • T-Money

    Allenp: on the first point, i have to respectfully disagree. the debate was between lebron and kobe. wade was third on (almost) everybody’s list. any gm outside of miami would do that 1vs1 trade and not think twice about it. on the second point, I STRONGLY DISAGREE. what can pippen do better or jordan?! mj was a better scorer, jumpshooter, defender, rebounder, passer (look at his stats from his early days), post up man, finisher, more clutch, tougher. the only thing i’d say is a was or slight advantage pip was handles (and even then). seriously, pippen shining more in a playmaking role is just a by product of mj accepting to play off the ball and not initiate the offense like he did in his younger days.

  • MVPballer

    I’m excited to see this Heat team ball this season, and I’m a die hard Celtic fan. 2 of the best players in the league, and one 2nd tier guy is going to be a joy to watch. They’ll get rings, I don’t think they will get one this season, but I’d say 2 or 3 is a fair number.
    I don’t think Lebron quit or anything, I just think he left Cleveland in the wrong way.

  • dw24

    Miami is cop out central. “Bosh and I can’t win D-Man. Can we just come join your awesomeness? I’ll be your queen.”

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    MJ said these “KIDS” do things differently. MJ was trying to be nice, but I know he wanted to let go, but didn’t want to blast The Prom King and Rupaul and World Trade Wade on the B Team anymore. MJ is the MAN and has spoken, so people taking up for Lebron cut it out, the dude couldn’t handle the pressure like Dave Chappell, so he decided to go to Miami to be with his good friends, who will have his back in a more personal way as buddies chasing for a ring. BOOK IT!!!

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Wade has offically made himself into a dummy now, making comparsions to the 911 Tragedy. Wade you are begining to become Lebron’s equal in stupidity.

  • Rusty

    Shut up eboy.

  • Rusty

    If lebron wade and bosh win 8 rings on that miami team it will never mean as much as MJ’s rings or even Kobes. They took the easy wat out, there is no doubt about that.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    But it’s not just the Charlotte Bobcats majority owner who is speaking out against James’ signing. From the Arizona Republic’s Dan Bickley:

    “Let me just tell you this,” [Charles] Barkley said. “Mike and I are in 100 percent agreement on this. If you’re the two-time defending NBA MVP, you don’t leave anywhere. They come to you. That’s ridiculous.

    “I like LeBron. He’s a great player. But I don’t think in the history of sports you can find a two-time defending MVP leaving to go play with other people.”

  • playa

    Sh*t Id want to be on a team with my boys…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000580635564 Bryan

    MJ was not a better rebounder or passer or defender than Pippen.

  • flippity

    I hate when people generalize and try to clump everyone into a group.

    Marcel’s not speaking for me. I’m not a huge Miami fan, but I think it’s great.

    If talented people want to team up, let them. We’ll be seeing the meaning of domination once they get settled into their new team.

  • JTaylor21

    Like eboy stated one of the stupid lions just came in from feeding ala the seed. If i remeber clearly moses malone was a 2-time MVP who left to go play with DR J so you fail miserably again Kobe’s seed.

  • JTaylor21

    What the hell is MJ talking about when did he ever beat Bird and he only beat Magic becuase kareem retired, magic was past his prime and they had floppy divac as their center. Do you think that MJ with a prime Pippen would have ever beaten bird or magic in their primes. NO.

  • flippity

    ..plus, we’re talking about Cleveland. Leaving Cleveland is different than leaving Los Angeles or Chicago. Sorry, but who wants to stay in Cleveland?

  • JTaylor21

    Also whoever said that MJ made pippen into the player he was is a moron. Was Mj lifting the weights for him, working on his jumpshot for him or watching film for him, NO. MJ is great but you guys give him to much credit. Swear that dude had some kind of mind bending power to get inside pippens brain and take over his body. Pippen worked had to become what he was, a better passer, rebounder and defender than MJ. People forget that when MJ retired, Pip was only the fourth player to lead team in points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks and the bulls were one bad call away from making it to the Conf. Finals. It really shows to how great pippen was and how people overstate MJ greatness that losing the so-called GOAT a team could still win 55gms and take a knicks team that made it to the finals to 7 gms.

  • Orlando Green

    Finally, I was waiting for MJ to say something. I think Lebron is a coward! Who leaves a team that two seasons in a row has the best regular season record. I could have understood him leaving a horrible team.. what a coward!

  • JTaylor21

    For all these suckers in here crying about the league having no parity, eat a di*k. the league has always been about 3-4 teams winning the chips year after year. Let me refresh your virgin memories here. the 60s when the celtics won 8 out of 10 chips, nobody was pouting back then. the 70s were the only decade where there was anything resembling parity. the 80s when the celtcs/lakers won 8 out of 10, nobody bit**es about that. the 80s is even considered by people as the best era in basketball. the 90s when the bulls/rockes won 8 out of 10. So why all of a sudden a people in arms over there being no parity. It is because people hate this era players more than any other. they talk about them being overpaid, arrogrant jerks. What are they supposed to do, give back their money and stop being confident in their abilities. Lawyers, CEO, bankers, movie stars get paid big bucks because of their one in a million talent and nobody complains about that but when nba players (a majority of them being black) get paid because they do what no one can, people bit** and moan. Stop being a broke hater and go out there and gets yours.

  • DMC14

    Go Suns. if there willing to take as paycut to play together good for them.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I love when a thread on anything finishes with Go Suns.

  • http://www.clownpenis.com Tarzan Cooper

    Cosign jtaylor on all points!!!!

  • http://www.clownpenis.com Tarzan Cooper

    Cosign jtaylor on all points!!!! Yea

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    If Scottie Pippen had never played on the same team as MJ; they could very well have joined forces 7 yrs into THEIR respective careers. Being two team leaders with different games and shifting the balance of power…
    The pressure is on the Heat who have amassed this girth of talent to now go out and win with it…. and win alot by the sounds of it. Could this be the team that winning just the one championship is considered a failure?
    For myself – I am coming into the 2010/11 season with the mindset that the Heat did this purely to win. If they don’t – it will be egg on their faces. Also Eboy won’t hear the end of it on the internets around these parts.

  • MF

    The GOAT knows Lebron is a chump

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    @Dacre, that’s why Eboy’s telling everyone that will listen, that the Heat should not be title favorites.
    Well, too bad. LEBRON, WADE, BOSH, Haslem, Z, Miller…you better win the title.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    “CSP8 Posted: Jul.19 at 2:50 pm
    Oh and Shaq is a not a winner either because he couldnt do it by himself. A true leader would’ve stayed in Orlando and waited another 10 years for help…. lol gtfoh”
    COMMENT OF THE MONTH!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Damn… JTaylor with the fire. I think movie stars AND athletes are both overpaid, but I see your point.

  • T-Money

    TO EVERYBODY: quit crying, seriously. this the miami heat now, deal with it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nima Zarrabi

    JTaylor21 coming thru the spot with some incredible verses. Very nicely done. Cheers.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    @JTaylor: Yes, people on here do hate on these cats for gettin paid max dollars, and to me, there is nothing wrong with getting paid for being one of the best basketball players in the world. I don’t think any of us could honestly say that we would turn down a 100+ million dollar deal just because its a bit over the top. No way man. Not me. I don;t hate on that at all. If you wanna read my hate, read my post at 2:59 P.M.

  • Robb

    I don’t care about how much money these athletes win, I’m not gonna bi†ch about it at all, but there are some things money can’t buy, respect is one of them and Lebron just lost the chance to have it.

  • Harrell

    Yo keep this stupid ish up im enjoying it but to address the subject at hand why does jordan not see the value that pippen and rodman had? come on and Eboy quit spittin fire they not ready my man and they can’t handle the truth either. Hell, who gives a sh!t what these legends say this isn’t their era!!

  • Nashty

    As much as I hope Lebron could have stayed with the Cavs, you cannot help but think he did the best thing for himself. The haters will understand it once The King win about 5 rings along with 3 more MVP trophies…..

  • http://fdsjklfl.com Jukai

    What’s funny is everyone remembers past events differently.
    I disagre with T-Money AND Bryan.
    My belief is Jordan has WAY better handles than Pippen (like, not even close), Jordan is a better passer, and Pippen is a better defender.
    Funny how people disagree.
    I guess it’s also how you define things. Jordan was a better passer but Pippen was the wiser choice for point guard, since he could defer and control tempo… a more Billups-esque way of controlling the game, whereas Jordan was more Chris Paul, having the ball in his hands all the time but dishing it to all the open guys.
    I know judging stats, especially separate years, is ludicrous, but I will point out Pippen’s highest assist total was seven assists a game with a SUPERIOR team… Jordan did eight dimes a game with trash.
    Also, what do you put more value on in defense: Pippen was a way better isolation defender but didn’t have the lift and speed that Jordan had, who could get more steals and get some ridiculous blocks. Jordan’s man-on-man defense wasn’t that behind Pippen. So who is the better defender?

  • flash

    i think MJ wanted Dwade to kick Lebron’s royal @ss. but LBJ was too chickenshit about the thought of it so he joined MIA. and if LBJ’s gonna win a fistful of rings then Wade is having an extra one for his toe

  • horsey

    were jordan, pippen and rodman that much better than wade, bosh and lebron? i bet if someone took some time to add up all their stats they might look pretty even. mike did the same thing in chicago that these boys are doing in miami only his front office was good enough to move pieces around him (like wade) and today’s league is lacking the unbelievable gap between the super elite and the next tier players that the old league had.

    for years the scoring title/mvp went to michael, the rebounding went to rodman, assists went to stockton without much of a contest. these days 3 guys are in the mix for each and it may come down to the final couple of games.

    mike had the same situation…maybe better…i hope he recognizes how special those teams were and how lucky he got to play with those “kids.”

  • Sturm Drang

    Jordan never had a chance to play with another superstar. It’s easy for him to say, now, that he’d never do it…

    But, considering those years in the 80s when he kept losing to the Celtics and Pistons… If he’d had the chance to get Magic and Patrick Ewing on his team right after losing to the Pistons, you’re all lying to yourselves if you think MJ would not have jumped at the chance.

    Consider when he came back from retirement and how quick Rip was jettisoned for Stackhouse.

  • M5

    Pippen, did the heavy lifting on defense on those Bulls team. Giving Jordan the freedom to play center field and get those steals. And I believe Jordan earned those assist total before the triangle offense was installed and Pippen highest average was while playing in the triangle, which I believe is a greater achievement.

  • Justin

    Did I really see someone saying Horace Grant was a great scorer? lmfao! Idiot. Sturm, how can you say MJ never had a chance to play with another superstar? Scottie Pippen is on the 50 greatest of all time list! MJ is absolutely right in his statement. Lebron took the cheap way out and his legacy will be somewhat tarnished no matter how many rings they may win. The only person that actually should not be faulted for this is DWade. He stayed put. Of course he’s going to try and get guys to come to his team so I don’t see why he’s included in all of this.

  • Lem

    I don’t think Mike was taking a shot at Lebron. I just think he was saying that the mentality and business of the game has changed. I think Wade will continue to be the leader while Lebron and Bosh will fill supporting roles. It will be interesting to see how things pan out for Miami. I wish them the best though.

  • http://soulbanger.tumblr.com tapion786

    is this the longest comment thread on slam ever? can someone check up on this?

  • javy

    Lebron, they’re selling used championship rings at the pawn shop, you might want to avoid the trouble and just go buy one.
    Since you take the easy road, I might be able to get you a coupon for 50%.
    Like somebody mentioned before: THE REAL KING “MJ” has spoken.
    Let the vanwagon miami fans start riding these clowns!!
    They will start to come out of the bushes….just watch!

  • bill breedley

    mj,magic, bird, kobe = batman/superman
    pippen, mchale, pau = robin
    lebron = batmite/krypto
    nuff said!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Good point by M5 on the assist totals for Pip.
    I got Scottie as a better defender, rebounder and they are maybe even as passers. Seriously, Scottie had to take Magic cause Mike couldn’t handle him. And when the Bulls wanted to give Stockton issues, guess who they called? Scottie. Anytime the Bulls wanted to give the other teams top defender problems they called on Scottie. Now, maybe Jordan could have done the same thing if he wasn’t carrying the scoring load, but I’m not sure. Plus, if he had to defend the best player, what would his scoring numbers have been, and how would that have affected his overall legacy? And, if Pip didn’t have to guard the best player on the other team, could he have expended more energy on scoring?
    So, I got Scottie better than Mike at rebounding and defense, about even at passing.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    the longest comment thread had 1,000 comments.
    If people think that MJ’s opinion is more important than anybody else’s, then people are stupid.
    Jordan didn’t even want to play with Cartwright.

  • kaboom

    Does MJ means Chris Bosh is a top player?..He isn’t even a top5 right now,like Larry en Magic Johnson were back then

  • bill breedley

    mj basically b**ch slapped bron back in his place. overhyped nobody who has not proven anything yet. ringless powder blower chose to be a sidekick hoping that would be course to a ring. should the 3 win in 2 or 3 years,the ring he gets just wont feel as good as if he had won it with the cavs. empty and hollow victories … choice of losers

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    @bill-Kobe was once a Robin ….there’s no problem with that due to him being one of the few players to succesfully be a #1 and #2 option on championship squads.

  • Jake

    Holy comment overload.Oh and Allen,MJ did guard Magic quite a few times, Phil just preferred having him on Byron Scott because the Bulls back then needed Michael to score 30 plus against Showtime in order to win.While we’re at it I also saw him shut down Karl Malone and Charles Barkley on a few occasions.

  • ends

    eboy is really loud all of a sudden I wonder why

  • ends

    honestly eboy is not about the rest of the leagues fans hating (which there is a lot of – im not worried were the defending SouthEast Champa come get US) its about ur Idol since you left Jersey the “cough” “cough” quote Greatest of All time unquote ur Stepfather MJ critical of your new big 3.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Yes, I’m a moron. For thinking that the greatest competitor and practice player this league has known was responsible for turning a weak and raw talent into a legitimate MVP candidate. Forgive me. Scottie came up with the breakfast club idea and made Michael and his trainer come. Scottie only had those migranes during crucial games because he wanted to give Michael a challenge. Scottie was always been a champion at heart, he just had to wait for Michael to catch up. Forgive me. I’m just a moron.

  • truthteller

    I’m curious to hear what all the people who like to discredit Kobe’s first three rings (and even his last two) with comments about him having Shaq (and Pau Gasol)will say if Lebron wins rings in Miami. FYI, the Heat are Wade’s team. he won a ring without Lebron and Chris. Just so you know. Now go ahead and make it interesting.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jake
    Jordan got handled by Magic in Game One of the 1991 Finals, at which point Phil told Scottie to go to work, and Scottie locked Magic down. Period. It wasn’t really about the scoring, it wsa about Magic at 6’9″ taking Jordan on the block and scoring and directing traffic over the top of him all night. Sure, it used Jordan’s legs, but the problem was the Jordan just couldn’t guard Magic for the whole game and really bother him. Scottie could. Scottie gave Magic fits because he had almost as much lateral footspeed as Mike, but way, WAY more length.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles you know I don’t think you’re a moron.
    But, I think you and others give Mike a tad too much credit for what happened with Scottie. No doubt, Jordan was the alpha dog and where he led, others followed.
    But, he only had so much power. There were plenty of Bulls that Jordan could not influence or lead. Hell, even Horace never truly “developed” under Jordan, and reports I’ve read say that’s because he was more concerned with getting ripped then developing a jumper and post moves. And Jordan couldn’t convince him otherwise.
    Mike pushed Scottie, but Scottie still had to put in his own work. He had to accept the challenge and he had to have the God-given ability to become the player he became. I think it shortchanges Scottie to just say “Mike made him what he was” and I know Scottie always bristled at that talk.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I understand that and defend Scottie as one of the most underrated players ever. But I can’t separate that from the fact that Michael directly influenced his development. You have to wonder what he would have become without it. Same for Michael.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I just don’t like the idea that the biggest knock on Jordan was that he was selfish and couldn’t make his teammates better, yet when they actually improve he doesn’t get the proper credit. They had to work for themselves but he set the example and helped them get there.

  • c_cantrell

    eboy gets alil too excited bout all this..
    grow up dude and get off the computer.. go outside and
    swim or jog or get a freakin life

  • BostonBaller

    Let me start by again saying that I do NOT have a problem w/ the young guns joining forces. @kundai Posted: Jul.19 at 9:27 am: Yes MJ had Pippen but Pip was drafted and was unproven and timid for a few years. It is a completely different situation where as they did not “join forces” at the height of their careers. They developed together.. @Eboy Posted: Jul.19 at 9:21 am: you were spot on with why some of us aren’t scared or spitting venomous hatred. MJ gave his opinion as did Magic AFTER being asked a question, neither disrespected the Heat or their decisions but there will be A FEW young cats here disrespecting the greats b/c they can’t figure out what the greats meant by what they said. It must suck not having comprehension skills which causes utter nonsense to come from a lack of a thought process. Re-read my 1st line…

    Mike is the greatst and i respect him alot. But he need to look to his left and relize that his best friend on the bulls team scottie pippen is equivalent to a wade for a lebron or a lebron to a wade. and horace grant was a great scorer those first 3 championships like bosh maybe slightly worse. MJ just needs to look at things differently the game is more team oriented than it used to be

  • BostonBaller

    As far as LBJ being selfless by joining the Heat, that’s a bit farfetched, almost as much as ppl saying he is forfeiting his “legacy”. A great player is a great player regardless if he is on a bad or stacked team. I’m sure “fans” not the n word are not trying to make decisions for a grown man but instead using this forum to whine. @truthteller Posted: Jul.19 at 2:42 pm: The Heat are NOT the only team capable of dethroning The Lakers.thank you very much. lol. @Jackie Moon Posted: Jul.19 at 4:36 pm You make a seriously valid point. Ok we have established that MJ didn’t make Pip the player he was b/c Pip had to put in the work..then you can’t say any player makes another player better b/c said player has to do the work themself. Magic did not make anyone better, Nash or Kidd doesn’t make anyone better.

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  • http://slamonline.com Anjoe Intal

    LBJ won’t get a ring until kobe retires.

  • BostonBaller

    Was it a critique or simply a statement of what they would have done in their playing days?

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negetivekreep

    Funny how people look at certain things depending on thier emotions rather than the facts, but then try to use facts to support thier feelings. Like a few Laker fans who clearly hate Brons descision, because It turns the heat into a new dominant alpha dog, and gives LeBron a very good look at defeating and simultaneously dethroning Kobe in the finals. Every Kobe fanboys worst nightmare. But then you have the hunted, who used to be the guys throwing all the rocks. I really respect guys like Jukai and Eboy, and that’s why I get annoyed when, now that the Heat have turned into the “Lakers east” you guys are suddenly the victims? Seems like a double standard, IF YOUR GOING TO ESTABLISH TALKING POINTS FOR LAKER HATE….then please expect the “guppies” to come out hook line n’ sinker now that your team has got the juice/hype. It’s simple, do onto others..? I hate reading post’s from Laker fans who r B*tching now that they’re on the other side for a change, but it also sucks to read the same guys who LOVED to say Kobe’s first 3 were Shaq’s, didnt count, not in even close to being in the conversation with Mike..ect. Now pissed that LeBron is getting criticized and straight hated on. I realize that we are all biased, but damn! You guys need to look in the mirror and c that you help’d create this monster.

  • the Dude

    It sounds like a lot has changed in the L since His Airness laced them up. Player’s attitudes being the number one loss.

    Next season was gonna be interesting and who knows maybe the rest of the League will be more focused because of The Decision.

    Chris Bosh is as much a sellout as James. We will see how they get along.

    ” … keep your enemies closer … keep your enemies closer … keep your enemies closer … keep your enemies closer … keep your enemies closer.

  • Bobby

    Well said Mike. Well said. My competitive nature would never allow me to what LeBron did. I want to beat everyone at anything.

  • http://msn.com Thomas

    Even if they do have a few rings within the next few years it doesn’t change the fact they’re all chumps. Larry, Mike, and Magic did what they did on their own with their teams without the help of the other two. They didn’t team up like a bunch of wimps just to get a ring. If the Heat get a few rings it won’t prove anything other than they couldn’t do it alone.

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