Monday, July 19th, 2010 at 9:00 am  |  298 responses

MJ On Miami Three

Michael Jordan weighs in, and he’s not a fan.

by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

Playing in the American Century Championship golf tournament over the weekend, MJ was asked about what he thought of all the free agent movement this summer, and specifically, LeBron’s decision to join up with D-Wade and Chris Bosh in South Beach.

While Jordan understands that today’s game — and the mentality of the players — differs greatly from when he was hooping, Mike still let it be known that he was far too competitive to have even thought about playing alongside guys who were considered to be in his class at any point; people like Larry Bird and Magic Johnson.

According to MJ, the idea was to beat those guys, not team up with them to chase rings:

“There’s no way, with hindsight, I would’ve ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, ‘Hey, look, let’s get together and play on one team,” Jordan said.

“Things are different. I can’t say that’s a bad thing. It’s an opportunity these kids have today. In all honesty, I was trying to beat those guys.”

NBA fans (and sports fans, in general) rarely agree on things, but we can reasonably state the following: with but a handful of true Heat fans being the exception, nearly everyone hates this new-look Miami Heat team.

So, they’ve got that going for them.

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  • ab_40

    MIA that team is gonna bust at leat this year in these playoffs. Boston had realy good vets like sam cassel / pj brown to jump in when perkins, rondo and powe weren’t on their game. this team has no young talents on it. just bodies ready to be worn the f out after about 50 games. Of course they’re gonna put the beatdown on some teams but eve ry thing they do and win will be with an aterisk.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    GTFOH if you think Bosh is better shooter and finishes around rim better or that rebounding is a wash. I always that the criticism towards you wasn’t warranted but now I see you don’t get enough of it. How do you think Bosh would of performed against Boston especially game 7? Anytime Paul Pierce embarrasess you, your manhood will be questioned.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Kap, the “cornyness” of the new Heat team will set in when you realize that if you put LBJ and Wade on the bench, they’ll at the very least be the 2009 Raptors. If you have LBJ and Bosh on the bench, they’ll at least be the 2009 Heat. Etc… keep going… See what I mean? Ah’la the Lakers not really having/needing a bench. And I doubt they’ll be benched all 3 at a time. What are those called? Rotitions? Rozitions? OH, ROTATIONS! You just got smarter today Kap.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, I’m not sure if I’ve said it here–I know I’ve said it on Twitter–but like you, I don’t see Miami winning more than one title. This team wasn’t assmebled to stay together, it was assembled to win championships…NOW. I just hope for LeBron’s sake that he does win more than one in Miami because anything less than that, I see him moving from the hated category into the overrated category which for him would be akin to the death of his career, image, brand, etc.

  • Kundai

    Its only bad when lebron does it though i dont see anyone getting mad at Shaq for leaving orlando as he entered his prime in his 4th year. His orlando averages are ridiculous 27.2 points and 12.4 rebounds and a finals appearance and an olympic gold medal. sound familiar people loved him in LA and he was with Kobe, Magic at one point, van axcel, Horry, fisher like come on. unless people have to say that kobe isnt as good as wade? which we all know isnt true. so its all being blown out people are going to love lebron again.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Spaceship Jay…I don’t know what the hell you are talking about. I think i just got dumber not smarter reading that lol

  • Kundai

    after his 4th year*

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Sigh. I’m sure.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Kundai…He didn’t leave Orlando to piggyback to championships. He went to LA bc he was Hollywood and Orlando was not trying to pay what LA was offering. Remeber the GOAT was just drafted and was an unknown.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Towelie from South Park just stepped up to Eboy’s computer “I have no idea what’s going on.”

  • http://twincityslim@yahoo.com Jahi

    The lack of parity and competiveness in the NBA is going to be the kneel of the NBA. For those who actually listen to what the owners are saying, the league is bleeding money, and lost $300 million last fiscal year. If the NBA doesn’t change course, the NBA will go the way of the ABA, nothing about the LeBron move was good for the longterm health of the “NBA corporation.”

  • The D Train

    @Crawf’s 3:05 comment: our country loves to build them up and tear them down, right? You’re spot-on with the “Lebron better win more than one or he’s overrated” theory. Hell, it’s already out there in some camps. The Wilt-connection is the one that makes the most sense at this point. Larger-than-life and physically gifted even moreso than the other athletes he competes against. History looks less kindly at Wilt because he ONLY won two titles. Titles aren’t easy to come by. If the standard by which the greats are measured by is titles, then Lebron has to approach his contemporaries to be even considered one of the greatest of his era. Kobe’s at 5, with 2 sans Shaq. Lebron would have needed to sniff 3 just to be on somewhat equal footing with Kobe. Jumping to play with Wade probably bumps up the curve…how many titles does he have to win to justify the move? Any/every year Miami doesn’t win, isn’t it just another nail in his legacy’s coffin? Even two titles in five years would be far short of what is reasonable to expect from a team starting 3/5 of the Eastern Conf All Stars, right?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jahi must not realize that in the last 30 seasons only 7 teams have won titles. Yes, the parity has sure killed the league so far.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Lebron can still have a better legacy than Kobe.
    Win three/four championships with the Heat, make sure he has more finals MVPs than Wade does.
    Leave in 2014 (New Jersey nets) and win one or two championships on his own.
    Wont he be a top-5 over Kobe player then?
    I’ve never thought Lebron didn’t have the fire or didn’t care about his legacy— I thought this move was ALL about legacy. Lebron saw Kobe, he saw Kareem, he saw West and he saw Oscar, and he learned something important… it don’t matter if you only can win one championship as ‘the man’ cause people will lump all of them together regardless. I think Lebron, for lack of a better word, is cheating. He’s getting championships the easy way, so then he can go out when he’s still in his prime (WHO SIGNS a six year contract with only FOUR GUARENTEED YEARS) and win one by himself.
    Is this far fetched, for a guy who plans for f’ing everything?
    Also, a big LOL@Jahi, for talking about lack of parity in his last comment while previously remeniscing the 80s, a time when only four/five teams had a shot of winning the title the ENTIRE CENTURY

  • The D Train

    the parity argument always gets me. sh1t, there are only 3-4 legitimate superstars, then a good slew of studs. but EVERYONE needs help. and frankly there’s just not enough talent out there to spread amongst all the teams. the NBA is the perfect microcosm of our country: ruled by the wealthy and talented elite. there is a reason that the league markets individuals more than teams, and there is a reason that the teams that have won titles have featured Kobe, Duncan, Wade, Shaq, Jordan, Olajuwon, Bird, Magic. it’s a superstar league, with only a few superstars.

  • The D Train

    The weird thing about Lebron is that he’s going to have to work on his fundamental skills for his later years. Kobe is all about that stuff now, because the body takes a giant beating driving to the hole all those years. So if Lebron does win 3-4 titles in Miami, then bolts, he’d better start honing the jumper and work on his post game. The bulldozer-method will not serve him so well at 30 years old, especially when you consider how many minutes he’ll have played by then. Playing in the playoffs every year, and coming into the NBA at such a young age, it’s interesting to see…and Kobe and KG are probably the first two where we see this…how their bodies hold up over the years. KG had less wear and tear because Minny wasn’t in the playoffs. Obviously Kobe is a more apt comparison because of playoff minutes and the fact that him and Lebron both play on the wing. So if Lebron were planning on doing the a$$-backwards scenario of ring-chasing in his early years, then trying to fly solo in his later career, he’d have to start working on altering his game so he doesn’t fall off a cliff when the physical aspects of the game start taking a more pronounced toll on him.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    ^^ goes without saying. Yer right.
    Although I would NOT say KG is holding up well, considering he missed most of last year and a lot of this year.

  • Jackie Moon

    Here’s the difference between all the other scenarios people are using to compared to Lebron (Celtics Big Three, Kobe Trade Demands 2007)… those guys all left teams that won fewer than 45 games the previous season. When is the last time a franchise player willingly left a 60-plus win team?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    I don’t think people are p!ssed because they’re scared…I think people are p!ssed/hate the Heat because it all felt manufactured, which it pretty much was. Three starting all-stars saying to eachother “Let’s go to one city and win some chips” just makes everyone feel like they’re cheating.
    And Eboy kicked some @ss in this comments section.

  • Sergio

    213 Comments. Only MJ.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    D Train: IMO, Bron will have to win at least 2-3 titles in his first 4 years in Miami to even justify the move. If MIA doesn’t, the backlash/fallout from that is going to be huge. You think it’s bad now? I think even his supporters/apologists would have a hard time defending him then. Since the argument in Cleveland was that he had “no help”, if they fall short and win the one title I am predicting for him, the argument will surely morph into the help that he had (sans DWade & Bosh) wasn’t “good enough.”

  • http://fdsjklfl.com Jukai

    It pains me to agree with anything Bryan Crawford says, but he’s right.
    For Lebron, this is quick reward VERY high risk. If he wins 2-3 titles? People will forget what he did and act like Lebron won regular championships. If he LOSES though… oh good lord, it’s not going to be pretty. He needs to get to the finals at the very least this year, and then championships better follow.
    Ironically, I can see Wade and Bosh escaping unscaved.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Agree with jukai, tho I think u meant decade, not century. Eboy and bryan saying heat will only win one is funny, bryan is a hater, and eboy is being bashful or just hedging his bets. I think mia will win 4 titles, after spurs win it this year!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wouldn’t it all depend on how the season went?
    I mean, folks said Lebron didn’t have help because when you look at the next four best players on his team in Cleveland they were Mo Williams, Antawn Jamison, Varejo and Shaq.
    That ain’t a lot of help, and even if you throw Larry Hughes in there for old times sake, it ain’t much.
    If Lebron goes to Miami and somebody gets injured, or the role players can’t give the big three any help, people are going to take a look at the situation and come to the appropriate conclusion. At least smart people will. People with agendas are predispositions to discount or praise Lebron will see what they want to see no matter what happens.
    If the Heat win next four championships, many, many folks will still say it was no big deal.

  • The D Train

    Bryan: I agree, although I don’t think 2 is even enough. I cannot fathom Lebron coming out of this looking good unless they pull out three titles in 4 or 5 years. One could argue that Miami is more top-heavy than the Lakers, and they’ve pulled out two in three years. I’ve asked this previously, but if Kobe and Lebron joined up, wouldn’t we expect them to win every year? Is Wade that much of a drop-off from Wade? If you think, like I do, that the difference between Wade and Kobe is not that large, then it stands to reason that even two titles in four years has to be considered a let-down. And if they end up losing to the Lakers, doesn’t that just make the light shine so much brighter on Kobe? If him, Pau and Co. can defeat Lebron even after he teams up with Wade and Bosh, I would think it would simultaneously raise Kobe’s standing while diminishing Lebron’s.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Eboy, I have some advise, embrace the hate, its fun. Ive always enjoyed when fools would hate on the spurs. Theyre boring, manu and tony are the opposite of boring. Hate on bowen, as he shut down everyone. Hate horry, as he bathes in clutch time. I dont mind, even like, fans and players hating on the spurs. But joey crawford! And refs, league in general, its been some incredible siht go against the spurs, notably 08 wcf, fu(k you joey crawford!!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Tarzan calls me a hater and then turns around and says the Spurs will win it all. Sigh, I guess being a hater is still far better than being a moron.

  • Trevor

    I agree 100%

  • T-Money

    Let. The. Season. Play. Out. I’ll throw a curveball at all of ya’ll that already have the 10/11 season figured out what if maybe, may-be… the TWO-TIME REIGNING MVP proves to still be the best player on this new Heat team and demonstrates on the basketball court that he’s a superior player than D-Wade (a fact that almost no analyst disputed before July 8). Then what? What’s the narrative then? It’s chic to say that LeBron has officially become Pip to Wade’s MJ but serious basketball analysts know that the comparison doesn’t hold. Pip was never, ever MJ’s equal. How can you be 2nd banana to someone that’s not as good as you are or at WORST equal? This is not Pip/MJ, this is something the league has never seen. Enjoy or hate, but you’re going to watch.

  • The D Train

    AllenP, your final sentence is interesting. I guess that’s the part of expectations in this whole scenario. In a top-heavy league where you combine three of the top 15 players, you don’t have the benefit of gelling, or coming in any worse than second place. Frankly, I thought Miami was a lose-lose for Lebron. It’s always written/reported that staying on the top of the mountain is harder than getting there in the first place. Well what if, in all your greatness, perceived and real, you couldn’t even get to the top one time? And what if you had to have help…not just help, but ultimately a stacked deck? You say four titles in four season might be dismissed by some. Unfortunately true, but when you are either Favorite A, or Favorite 1A, that’s the weight that’s bestowed upon you.

  • T-Money

    As far as LBJ, I want him to embrace the hate. Then beat the dogsh-t out of the other NBA teams (à la Luke in Lebatard’s most recent article). Don’t try to convert them by playing nice, block the noise, take no prisoners and beat the hell out of everybody and win multiple rings. Critics will come around, they always do (mind you that fans not on message boards have never left and bron will still be top 3 in the league in popularity and his jersey will sell everywhere).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Money
    No analyst said Wade was better than Lebron, but you know I’ve discussed the possibility for the past two to three years, and have had Kobe, Lebron and Wade in a virtual dead heat. And I have a homie who swears that Wade is the best in the League and doesnt’ get his proper respect.
    Pip wasn’t on Jordan’s level as far as scoring, toughness or clutchness. But, at everything else, i would hazard to say he was better than Jordan, or his equal.

  • T-Money

    Allenp: on the first point, i have to respectfully disagree. the debate was between lebron and kobe. wade was third on (almost) everybody’s list. any gm outside of miami would do that 1vs1 trade and not think twice about it. on the second point, I STRONGLY DISAGREE. what can pippen do better or jordan?! mj was a better scorer, jumpshooter, defender, rebounder, passer (look at his stats from his early days), post up man, finisher, more clutch, tougher. the only thing i’d say is a was or slight advantage pip was handles (and even then). seriously, pippen shining more in a playmaking role is just a by product of mj accepting to play off the ball and not initiate the offense like he did in his younger days.

  • MVPballer

    I’m excited to see this Heat team ball this season, and I’m a die hard Celtic fan. 2 of the best players in the league, and one 2nd tier guy is going to be a joy to watch. They’ll get rings, I don’t think they will get one this season, but I’d say 2 or 3 is a fair number.
    I don’t think Lebron quit or anything, I just think he left Cleveland in the wrong way.

  • dw24

    Miami is cop out central. “Bosh and I can’t win D-Man. Can we just come join your awesomeness? I’ll be your queen.”

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    MJ said these “KIDS” do things differently. MJ was trying to be nice, but I know he wanted to let go, but didn’t want to blast The Prom King and Rupaul and World Trade Wade on the B Team anymore. MJ is the MAN and has spoken, so people taking up for Lebron cut it out, the dude couldn’t handle the pressure like Dave Chappell, so he decided to go to Miami to be with his good friends, who will have his back in a more personal way as buddies chasing for a ring. BOOK IT!!!

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Wade has offically made himself into a dummy now, making comparsions to the 911 Tragedy. Wade you are begining to become Lebron’s equal in stupidity.

  • Rusty

    Shut up eboy.

  • Rusty

    If lebron wade and bosh win 8 rings on that miami team it will never mean as much as MJ’s rings or even Kobes. They took the easy wat out, there is no doubt about that.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    But it’s not just the Charlotte Bobcats majority owner who is speaking out against James’ signing. From the Arizona Republic’s Dan Bickley:

    “Let me just tell you this,” [Charles] Barkley said. “Mike and I are in 100 percent agreement on this. If you’re the two-time defending NBA MVP, you don’t leave anywhere. They come to you. That’s ridiculous.

    “I like LeBron. He’s a great player. But I don’t think in the history of sports you can find a two-time defending MVP leaving to go play with other people.”

  • playa

    Sh*t Id want to be on a team with my boys…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000580635564 Bryan

    MJ was not a better rebounder or passer or defender than Pippen.

  • flippity

    I hate when people generalize and try to clump everyone into a group.

    Marcel’s not speaking for me. I’m not a huge Miami fan, but I think it’s great.

    If talented people want to team up, let them. We’ll be seeing the meaning of domination once they get settled into their new team.

  • JTaylor21

    Like eboy stated one of the stupid lions just came in from feeding ala the seed. If i remeber clearly moses malone was a 2-time MVP who left to go play with DR J so you fail miserably again Kobe’s seed.

  • JTaylor21

    What the hell is MJ talking about when did he ever beat Bird and he only beat Magic becuase kareem retired, magic was past his prime and they had floppy divac as their center. Do you think that MJ with a prime Pippen would have ever beaten bird or magic in their primes. NO.

  • flippity

    ..plus, we’re talking about Cleveland. Leaving Cleveland is different than leaving Los Angeles or Chicago. Sorry, but who wants to stay in Cleveland?

  • JTaylor21

    Also whoever said that MJ made pippen into the player he was is a moron. Was Mj lifting the weights for him, working on his jumpshot for him or watching film for him, NO. MJ is great but you guys give him to much credit. Swear that dude had some kind of mind bending power to get inside pippens brain and take over his body. Pippen worked had to become what he was, a better passer, rebounder and defender than MJ. People forget that when MJ retired, Pip was only the fourth player to lead team in points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks and the bulls were one bad call away from making it to the Conf. Finals. It really shows to how great pippen was and how people overstate MJ greatness that losing the so-called GOAT a team could still win 55gms and take a knicks team that made it to the finals to 7 gms.

  • Orlando Green

    Finally, I was waiting for MJ to say something. I think Lebron is a coward! Who leaves a team that two seasons in a row has the best regular season record. I could have understood him leaving a horrible team.. what a coward!

  • JTaylor21

    For all these suckers in here crying about the league having no parity, eat a di*k. the league has always been about 3-4 teams winning the chips year after year. Let me refresh your virgin memories here. the 60s when the celtics won 8 out of 10 chips, nobody was pouting back then. the 70s were the only decade where there was anything resembling parity. the 80s when the celtcs/lakers won 8 out of 10, nobody bit**es about that. the 80s is even considered by people as the best era in basketball. the 90s when the bulls/rockes won 8 out of 10. So why all of a sudden a people in arms over there being no parity. It is because people hate this era players more than any other. they talk about them being overpaid, arrogrant jerks. What are they supposed to do, give back their money and stop being confident in their abilities. Lawyers, CEO, bankers, movie stars get paid big bucks because of their one in a million talent and nobody complains about that but when nba players (a majority of them being black) get paid because they do what no one can, people bit** and moan. Stop being a broke hater and go out there and gets yours.

  • DMC14

    Go Suns. if there willing to take as paycut to play together good for them.

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