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Monday, September 27th, 2010 at 10:00 am  |  101 responses

Does Chris Bosh Lack Leadership Skills?

In the unlikely event that Bosh gets asked to be a leader in South Beach, his former coach warns that this might not be the wisest of choices. From the Sun-Sentinel: “Between the web, late-night television and social events from coast to coast, he has been as ubiquitous as any NBA presence this offseason, including teammates Dwyane Wade and LeBron James. But what about now, when he gets back to his day job? Will his voice continue to resonate? Will his presence be felt inside the locker room? Will Chris Bosh be seen and heard this season? In setting up his own team’s season, Raptors coach Jay Triano also offered a potential clue to how the Heat’s season might set up beyond the court. ‘When you talk about Chris being the leader in the locker room,’ Triano told a Toronto radio station, ‘I think it’s the one thing that he wasn’t for us. He did a great job of getting 24 points and 10, 11 rebounds on a regular basis, but Chris did not really take the leadership role into the locker room. He’s not a vocal person; he’s not a guy who really did that.’”

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    We don’t need you to lead, Chris, just grab boards, play a little D and put the ball in the basket. You have an easy life in Miami, son.

  • http://thekobebeef.wordpress.com LDR4

    Of course Bosh is a leader! He led the Raptors into mediocrity and first round playoff blunders. I still kinda like him though despite the South Beach gaffe. He’s from Dallas so I can’t fully hate him.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Get out of here Jay Triano. When was the last time a guy was drafted within the top handful of picks because of his locker room presence. All any team owner/gm/coach wants firstly is a 24 and 10 guy!? The’re the guys getting the 100 mil contracts….. Your just talking nonesense now – You drinking with Dan Gilbert on weekends?

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Dear Jay,

    Chris Boshs’ 15ppg and 8rpg will be more appreciated and beneficial in Miami than any stat line he ever produced under your despot-snowstation-autonomy.

    Regards.

  • JTaylor21

    Do any of these disgruntled coaches and GMs ever shut their F*CKING mouths, damn. If it were the players badmouthing their former coaches and owners the media would be all over them but these clowns continue to talk ish till this day. Let it go, the players left because you couldn’t run anything more than a iso play.

  • blackthougth

    Man, chris didn`t have 2 be the man in miami, they didn`t even sign him 4 that reason. he will take the backseat behind dwayne and lebron, but will end up with at least one chip in the next 6 years (and all that, while collectin`a cool 100m$ and livin`in south beach) – damn looks like he made all the right choises.

  • T-Money

    You stay classy, Jay. I mean, where’s the concern here? Were LA worried that Pau is not a leader? Of course not, they had Kobe! MIA has already 3 guys to do the talking: Wade, UD, Bron. / Why only 8 boards a game? He was at 11 last year. Bosh’s scoring will drop of course but I expect him to go crazy on the glass and sustain or even increase his average.

  • rich

    did jay triano just talk about leadership? the guy said at the end of the season he barely got to talk to his players…. smh. @ Dacre i think he will get a little upward of those numbers mayb 17 and 9.5

  • Brickshooting J

    LDR4 hit it right in the nose!

  • JoeMaMa

    Bosh wasn’t a leader. He’s a REALLY good player, he was good in the community, and he kept us afloat for a few years, and the Raptors fans love him for that. But he wasn’t a leader. That’s not an insult; most players aren’t leaders. He’s in a good situation where he just has to listen to the big dogs and play.

    Good luck, Bosh.

  • EJ

    Wade is the leader. He has the most heart.

  • 2Tones

    Neither Bosh or LBJ are leaders this is why they took their following asses to Miami to be led by a true leader D-Wade. SMH to think less than a year ago everyone had LBJ pegged to be the next MJ and now he’s looking more like the next Pippen (less the character and mental toughness and defensive prowess of course)

  • http://slamonline.com Yknot

    Why does a guy have to be a loud motivational speaker to be a leader. Ever hear of leading by example? Guess Duncans a poor leader too Jay?

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    I don’t have a problem with what he said, doesn’t seem bitter, seems honest. Not all the ‘best’ players on a team are vocal leaders and saying that Bosh is not vocal in a lockerroom and giving him credit for what he did on the court seems fair. My guess is that he will continue to be somewhat ‘silent’ in the Heat lockerroom and let D-Wade and/or LBJ be the team leaders.

  • http://www.nba.com Gman

    I want to see the whole interview. Looks like a cut and paste job to fit the articles needs.

    Boo!

  • downtown_brownclown

    jay’s just saying what all of us are thinking… he isn’t a leader… that’s why he’s rollin’ with wade and lebron. :P he doesn’t need to take lead, someone else will be glad to take that role for him.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    T-Money: I don’t think there’s really a concern. I mean, from what I hear, Wade is one of the best lockerroom leaders in the L, and Lebron is one of the best on-court leaders in the L. Jay never said that the Heat would be in TROUBLE because of it.
    He’s simply being a spiteful d*ck and sharing his opinion which, from what I’ve seen and judging from the Raptors peaks and valleys, it seems 100% true. It’s just not a negative remark to the Heat. The Heat probably have better leadership than anyone but the Celts.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    And Duncan IS vocal. I’ve heard he’s very good at going to guys and talking to them in the locker room, and just cause he’s not loud, you see him occasionally talking to a guy about what he needs to do and fixing some things on defense. It’s usually Parker who is barking orders, but Duncan is a great leader. Not sure where that came from.

  • Ghost

    I suggest you guys take the time to actually listen to the radio conversation. I’m sure once you do you’ll understand that he wasn’t ripping on Bosh’s leadership abilities, just simply stating the obvious. F*ck.

  • T-Money

    Jukai: I actually agree with Triano but there was no point in bringing it up. Commenting on players from other teams is usually a douchey move. Pat Riley could say today at media day that Mike Beasley is not 100% focussed on basketball. He’d be right but he’d also be an a–hole for saying it.

  • T-Money

    Err… we’re kinda saying the same thing actually, nevermind.

  • http://slamonline.com Yknot

    You just proved my point. He is a great leader but not overly vocal. Trianos’ complaint against Bosh.

  • The Philosopher

    Robert Parish was not vocal either.
    He was a quiet, solid leader.

  • burnt_chicken

    @ Dacre: ummm I think every team, in every sport, everywhere in the ENTIRE WORLD hopes their best player also becomes their leader. It’s often referred to as ‘setting the pace’.
    “Your” (sic[k]) talking nonsense, dude…can you even begin to explain what “despot-snowstation-autonomy” means? Didn’t think so.

  • the nerve

    @burnt_ckicken:
    what’d u say?
    u got burnt by a chicken head? gtfoh
    Dacre da man up here

  • BRAVO

    I LIVE IN TORONTO SO LEMME SAY THIS! CHRIS BOSH WAS A ILL PLAYER WHEN HE WAS STILL WITH THE RAPTORS. HE WAS THE “GO TO GUY” WHEN WE NEEDED IT THE MOST. HE WON GAMES FOR US AND HE SHURE AS HELL LOST GAMES FOR US. BUT TO CALL CHRIS BOSH A LEADER? I DONT THINK SO, HE PLAYED 7 GREAT YEARS FOR US BUT I NEVER RLLY SAW LEADERSHIP SKILLS IN HIM @ ALL. SO TO ALL THE PPL IN THE USA WHO THINKS HES A LEADER……YOUR DEFINITLY WRONG CUZ YOU GUYS DIDNT KNOW MUCH ABOUT OUR TEAM AN NOW THAT HE SIGNS WITH THE MIAMI HEAT WITH LEBRON AND WADE ALL OF A SUDDEN THE WHOLE USA THINKS CHRIS BOSH IS A LEADER? COMMON THE ONLY THING HES LEADING IS THE SKINIEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE!

  • ManofGod131

    He’s not a leader. Neither is LeBron really. That’s why they’re playing with Dwyane who actually is one.

  • Robb

    @ManofGod131 exactly.

  • Ghost

    Ugh. Bravo..

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    You guys are saying Lebron, the most vocal cat in the league on both offense and defense, isn’t a leader?
    Sigh…

  • flash

    wade is the leader no doubt about it. he made bosh cut out them predator locks

  • MikeC.

    From what I could see from the outside looking in, Bosh wasn’t a rah-rah guy. Until the second half of last season, he was a ‘go to work, do the job, go home’ guy. He didn’t lead, but he wasn’t disruptive. With all the turnover on that roster, it would have been hard to get a leader to grow organically in that locker room. In those situations, it’s the coach’s job to be vocal, or at least get a player to vocalize stuff. When a coach can see there’s a leadership void, he has to demand someone step up. No point naming a guy captain if it means nothing. Triano was on point, but he should look in the mirror too.

  • mubwar

    Jay Triano is actually talking trash about being a leader…hey Triano, as a raptor(and HEAT) fan, i didnt see any sort of leadership you brought to T.O. you are a failure as a first canadian coached because of your poor job with the raps the past couple of seasons…i hope Mike krysky(horrible pronunciation)taught you a thing or two about coaching for the sake of the raps….

  • PapaBearATL

    From the beginning it’s been DWades team. Leaders are born, not made. It’s not in everybody to step up and lead men to victory. I think James and Bosch will help motivate Miami, good lieutenants! South Beach is under the command of General D-Wade, so as factual as his statement may be, it’s unnecessary. Hey, the sky is blue… See factual but unnecessary.

  • http://klatschendom.wordpress.com/ speedy

    It is like YKnot said.
    Leading by Example.
    And Bravo do you think that because you life in Toronto qualifies you to give such loud and dumb comments.
    I mean, what does a leader. He takes the ball in his hands when the game is on the line and he shows his teammates workethic by simply working hard and puting up great stats. That is what he did.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Lebron couldnt lead a jar of pickles to the zoo without napping at the duckpond

  • It Hurts

    Not to pile on a lame duck coach, but much could be said about Jay Triano’s lack of leadership skill, too.

  • T-Money

    I’d like some commenters to define leadership so I can better understand how a rational human being can come up with the opinion that LeBron was NOT the leader of the Cavs.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    haha @ Tarzan 3:38 for some reason…LeBron taking his pickles to South Pond?

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    T-Money: I got your back, homie.
    LeBron’s leadership campaign, exhibit 1A: (@1:30)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfzvlgMcNE

  • Robb

    Lebron was the leader in Cleveland no doubt, the problem was that his leadership was more like being the president of his own fan club. His teammates behaved like that, just look at that poor guy named Mo Williams. A true leader may not make their teammates dance, or posse for the camera, or make silly jokes all the time, but he can definitely take them to win a championship, just like Dwayne did. Miami is Wade’s team.

  • JTaylor21

    Bron’s one of the best leaders in the league and anyone that says otherwise is a madman. CB4 doesn’t need to be a leader just rebound, make mid-range shots and run the floor.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    Just recently watched “More than a Game”. Made me realize that LeBron was never destined to fill that leadership role. That he always struggled with it, never really wanted it. Just an uber-talented happy go lucky kid.

  • T-Money

    Who was speaking during timeouts? Who was speaking during huddles on the floor? Who was directing plays and even sometimes drawing them (while Brown was picking his nose)? Who was directing traffic and barking out rotations on the defensive end? Who was cheering the loudest from the bench? Who was pulling players aside to calm them down or cheer them up? Who was basically spoon feeding JJ Hickson? C’mon son. If your rationale for LeBron not being a leader is that he didn’t win a championship yet then say that. I’d find it a bit shortsighted (Reggie was a leader, Chuck was a leader, AI was a leader, KG was a leader even before the rings) but I could kinda see where you’re coming from… This BS about him not being a leader at St. V. ? C’mon son.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    Lebron is a better on-court leader than Wade. Wade is certainly more motivational and will probably speak during timeouts, but on the floor, it will be Lebron directing things on offense/defense.

  • The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • Robb

    @Jukai of course Lebron will direct things on offense, I mean he’ll be playing PG mostly. I don’t know why people think not being a leader is such a bad thing. Lebron is a phenomenal player, but he’ll be more comfortable avoiding certain responsibilities. Everybody wants him to have every attribute possible but nobody can do that. James can’t satisfy all those expectations, yes he spoke during timeouts and cheered from the bench, but that doesn’t define a leader. Cliff Livingston did that with the Bulls. Spoon feeding players is not necessarily a good thing because people get used to it, and when they have to do things by themselves, they can’t. Lebron with all his talents spoiled his teammates and made them unresponsive. Every leader will tell you about the ability to delegate. A guy who does everything is not necessarily a leader. A leader gets things going. Lebron can’t do that. And I repeat: Is that such a bad thing?

  • JTaylor21

    SHAMWOW cliff freaking livingston compared to bron. What do you mean that Bron can’t get things going? What the f*ck do you think his being doing the past 7years with a cavs team that has no business winning 35 games without him. I beginning to believe that people don’t actually WATCH the games instead wait for SC to come on. LeBron doesn’t get things going HAAA HAAAA, that has to be one of the most moronic things ever on this site.

  • Robb

    @ JTaylor21 discussing leadership with you is pointless. I don’t just watch the games like you, I analyze the games. You don’t understand it now, but if (and that’s IF) you get to lead a group of people some day you’ll get it. Right now, play ball with your friends, watch the games on tv and keep pretending to know what grown men know.

  • Dagger

    Wade has said that it isn’t his job to motivate his teammates. Lebron was the leader of the Redeem Team and the unquestioned leader in multiple 60-win teams in Cleveland. He’s been the leader in Cleveland since he entered the league as a teenager. Lebron will be the leader in Miami, period. He’s now clearly the centrepiece of that team. I’m in no way a Lebron fan, and I sympathize with the Cavs, but most of you kids are ridiculous.

  • JTaylor21

    Oh WOW you analyze the game, incredible. Dude acts like he’s the only one that watches the games for something other than entertainment. You act like you be around when I’m watching ball, so how do you know? You must have being analyzing the wrong team, player and league the whole time because anybody that watched the cavs on the regular like I do knows that Bron’s a GREAT leader. Get your eyesight fixed first then maybe you can really SEE what’s going on.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    Lebron was obviously the leader of those Cavs teams that should go without question, but I have never viewed Lebron as a natural born leader. In my opinion leaders are those who are able to rally up their troops and make them go to war with him believing that failure is not an option. There are not many great leaders currently in the NBA. In my opinion people like Derek Fisher, K.G, and maybe D-wade are the great leaders in the NBA today. I hope Lebron proves me wrong though…….

  • AI TO MIAMI!!!

    it dont matter if chris aint the vocal leader kinna guy. theres always lebron and wade who can do that. chris can just let da game do all the talkin. 20 to 30 points 11, 12 rebounds is wat he do every night well not bang on stats but yeah

  • Dagger

    Put it this way: doesn’t this look and sound like a leader? http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5622505

  • Robb

    @JTaylor21 you’re missing the point. Like I said, one day you’ll understand what I’m talking about. And Dagger, everybody knows Kobe, Kidd and Wade were the leaders of the Redeem Team. Actually they won because Kobe stepped up (as usual) and made the clutch shots at the end.

  • ai come back

    @ robb actualyl i hate to say this but lebron really couldnt seem to get htings going…….maybe it ws only fr the cavs but if u score 27 19 bords and dish 15 assists when ur team only gets like 84 pts then yea u really cant get ur team going that well……

  • ai come back

    just cuz u a natural born amazing great etc. leader doesnt mean u can get things going theyll follow u but that doesnt mean theyll do it rite……

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    Robb: I actually question your ‘analysis’ of the game. Leadership isn’t CALLING OUT PLAYS as a point, it’s setting things up, correct people on plays. Fisher SETS UP the play but Kobe is the one barking players to get into position, making sure they stay in the triangle, etc. etc. Kobe is the leader of that team, just like Lebron is the leader of his team.
    If you feel that Lebron letting his teammates get ‘lazy’ is a blotch on Lebron’s leadership, maybe so, but then Magic Johnson and Shaq and every other top dog who let their teammates do their thing would also be considered a ‘bad leader.’
    Besides, why do you consider Wade a good leader then? Wade’s team last year was the DEFINITION of lazy and unattentive. Was Wade a great leader when they won a championship with a determined team full of vets and suddenly became a horrible leader? Or maybe, just maybe, does it have to do with the team?

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    Oh wow, your true colors come out in your 6:54 pm.
    I don’t know how many times Kobe said he was NOT THE LEADER OF THAT TEAM.
    Kobe openly admitted he took no responsibilities in leading that team in any type of way, and it was Kidd/Lebron/Wade who actually lead that team. All Kobe wanted to do was hit shots and play defense. Kobe said this again and again and again.
    Yet you claim Kobe is the leader of that team.
    Lemme guess, you’re dressed in purple and yellow right now?

  • JTaylor21

    Come on SON, your eyesight is really that bad. Bron’s was the LEADER for team usa above anyone of those guys, everybody on that team said that, so what are you talking bout? If you watched any of those games, you would see exactly how great a leader bron was. Just because Kobe hit one freaking shot in the 4th qt doesn’t mean that they won because of him. Dude was below average for the entire tournament then hits one shot, steals the spotlight from an all-around team effort and people swear that he was the best player on that team, FU*K OUTTA HERE. It’s a TEAM game bra, no one guy did it alone.

  • Robb

    @Jukai Kobe also said during the finals that winning the title against Boston didn’t make any difference. The guy is like that. Is not what he said or what he didn’t say. Is what he did, his work ethic, his defense and his ability to control the momentum of a game, that’s what a leader does. Players like Dwight and James became better defensive players and got more focused after they spent the summer with Kobe. I don’t say it they did.

  • Robb

    But again, what’s wrong with not being a leader? Lebron will be even better sharing responsibilities and that will be good for Miami. Lebron’s gonna embrace that role, probably you Lebron fans should too.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    Robb: Okay.
    I get it.
    Calling out plays on the floor and cheering on your teammates, like Lebron does, has nothing to do with being a leader.
    However, having a good work ethic, and playing hardnosed defense, that’s what a leader does.
    That sounds batsh@t backwards to me, but hey, what do I know, I only ‘watch’ the game and you ‘analyze’ it.
    Damn, my greatest asset on the court is defense. I didn’t know I was actually my High School team’s leader. That’s awesome!!!!

  • the nerve

    ^u aint neva palyed no muthagrabbin high skool ball
    lol
    im jus f*(kin w/u

  • Robb

    No, it’s not like that. That’s short sighted. Is the ability to adapt your game. You show leadership and maturity when you understand what the team needs and the roles of other players. Kobe is a SG and a scorer but when they started training he focused on defense because he knew that was what the team needed to work on. You have a team with Melo, Wade, Lebron and Kobe, so he went out there and basically said: I’m gonna make this statement so everyone understand this is not about demanding the ball, it’s about team work so me, Kobe Bryant, the guy who’s known for shooting the ball more than anybody won’t shoot one single time during the first practice. That’s leadership, not by words but by actions.

  • the nerve

    robb
    dats right PATNAA! tell deez non ball analyzin chumps what it REALLY DO while u watchin nba tv

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    Okay, that’s not ‘leadership’, that’s being a good team player. It’s one thing to lead by EXAMPLE but that’s not what being a true leader is about. You work hard WHILE you show good leadership skills, LIKE calling plays, LIKE pulling teammates aside, LIKE talking in timeouts, LIKE setting up defenses, etc. etc. etc.
    I actually think Kobe is a great leader. His downside is he tends to harrass his teammates maybe a bit too much, but he calls out plays, makes sure everyone is in their spots, pulls players aside not just to criticize but to give them advice and pat them on the back, he talks in huddles, and he always talks about the team coming first.
    That’s why Kobe is a great leader.
    He did none of that on Team USA because he realized he didn’t need to because Lebron/Wade/Kidd were there, and just wanted to focus on playing and winning.
    But hey, if you want so badly to make Kobe look good by saying Kobe is a blatant liar, go right ahead. I can’t stop you.

  • the nerve

    u still aint play no ball

  • the nerve

    n both yall nearly sayin da same sh..
    yall jus wanna argue

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    You do know very soon, I’ll just treat you like the Seed and blatantly ignore everything you say, right Nerve?

  • JTaylor21

    Robb, please go and watch anyone of those nike road to redemption shows and you’ll see who the REAL leader was. Bron was the one barking out defensive assignments, where to go on offense, and cheering on players, while Kobe was basically quiet and stayed in the back-ground. Not take anything away from kobe but he’s not the kind of leader that Team USA needed because he tends to get a little too aggressive with his teammates and you can’t do that to players that are of equal skill-set. That’s why Bron was the leader from day one because his leadership style is teammate friendly while still being able to command respect from teammates without aggressiveness or force. Just give up and accept the facts that Bron was the leader and is a GREAT leader because you’re making yourself look foolish with every letter you type.

  • Robb

    Of course he realized about all the scorers that team had. That’s what I’m saying! and yeah he’s a bit of a liar too. And no, I don’t watch NBA TV They overanalyze stuff you know? lol

  • the nerve

    jukai
    i know u betta than dat. u aint ignorin nuthin.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Im fairly certain I know who the nerve is…….. Their name also begins with ‘the’ and ends with ‘osopher’

  • T-Money

    This is pointless. Breaking news: KD was a better leader than Bron at the same age and will surpass him as a leader in 2 years.

  • the nerve

    wrong

  • the nerve

    when u pull catz pants down u gotta b somebody else. 1st they thought i knew crawford. then they thought i was bengston or somebody else. i aint nobody i jus pay attention. n i jus got outta jail so yall wouldnt really know me

  • JTaylor21

    NOT happening Mr.T-Money, in two years bron will be entering his prime and will be an even better leader. Kd is only great at putting the ball thru the net and rebounding, that’s it.

  • Robb

    and that’s gonna be the new debate for the years to come…

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    If KD is gonna be better than Lebron, does he have the ability to be better than Kobe? Now THAT is a debate!

  • ManofGod131

    No one was close to being equal to Kevin in talent except D-Rose at the FIBA tournament and he led them to a championship. So to deny that he could be on par with LeBron as a leader in two years is wrong. He may be on his level right now as a leader. Look at what he did with the Thunder. One year, they win 23 games. The next they are giving the Lakers a run for their money in the first round of the playoffs. That’s a leader. Kevin is not just great at putting the ball in the net JTaylor. You defend LeBron and the Heat like your life depends on it. You must learn how to be objective and watch other players play. Face it. At 21, Kevin is further along than LeBron was. Kevin being better than Kobe won’t be a discussion because LeBron isn’t better than Kobe. A better comparsion is LeBron and Magic. LeBron is a point guard in a small forward’s body. I tell you what is a debate that no one really wants to talk about….the Thunder will end up ruining some of the Heat’s dynasty hopes as the Lakers begin to break up. Kevin will continue to get better and as Russell Westbrook and the rest of that team grows in experience, watch out. They’re already predicted by some to finish 2nd in the West this season. And please, enough with the Team USA leadership discussion. Kobe doesn’t play in 2006…they lose. Kobe plays in 2007 and 2008, they win. Leadership isn’t always just talking and shooting 50 percent from the field. The rest of the team didn’t admire LeBron’s work ethic…they were all watching Kobe work. Fact.

  • JTaylor21

    Another BS talk gets shutdown again. Didn’t Bron lead an average Cavs team to the finals at about the same age KD is right now. What did KD do vs the lakers; shoot 35% from the field, struggle to get his shot off against a shorter defender, lacked the handle to consistently beat artest off the dribble and was the 2nd best player vs the Lakers. Without Westbrook, okc would have gotten their a**es handed to them and swept. KD is not better than a 21yr old bron (avg. 31/7/7). False information is contagious and it looks like you guys are full of it.

  • ManofGod131

    Kevin is further along as a leader, not a player. There’s a difference. LeBron had an opportunity to lead the USA to the FIBA championship in 2006 and didn’t get it done. Kevin had the same opportunity and got it done.

  • The Philosopher

    To The Great Masses of SLAM:
    To assist in helping us understand AND comprehend reality, I shall enter this post, if I may.
    1. Kevin Durant is not further along at 21 than LeBron James.
    2. Kevin Durant is not as good as Kobe Bryant. Yet.
    3. Kevin Durant is on par (not better) with Kobe Bryant at age 21. I’ll say that because Durant’s particular skill set is “never before seen” material. Durant is the lone superstar on his respective team. He HAS to dominate. Westbrook is perfect for him. He is a better shooter than Kobe in most areas, however.
    4. The only real variable that puts Kobe above Durant at age 21 is his overall defense, and his killer instinct. All of this is my humble opinion.
    Durant has yet to REALLY display that. He shows flashes, though.
    @Tarzan Cooper:
    As I’ve once told another commenter, I do not do those things. I do not need to.
    I’m just glad that my ego is as big as it is, otherwise I would not respond to such nonsense.
    I apologize for calling you out about being tsi.

  • ManofGod131

    Kevin Durant nor LeBron James will end up being better than Kobe. Kobe’s God given basketball talent matched with his work ethic is unmatched in this day and time where players get endorsements before they prove anything. Kobe earned everything he got. These new stars want the money more than winning. They want to be seen and marketed more than they want to win which is why guys like Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony want to play in New York. All Kobe wants is championships. Just add onto the legacy. LeBron wants championships now but even if he starts winning next season, he won’t catch Kobe. Kobe’s going to have at least one more before he’s done. Possibly two if Phil Jackson stays. Wade is 28. He has maybe two or three more seasons before the explosiveness starts to fade and if he keeps throwing his body around much like AI. That will leave LeBron and Bosh. By that time, Kevin Durant will be hitting his prime and the Thunder will be a major problem.

  • The Philosopher

    @ManofGod131:
    I think you make very interesting points, but LeBron is already better than Kobe.
    LeBron’s natural talent is the most ever given to one human being who has ever played The Game of Basketball.
    This is a known fact amongst distinguished basketball minds and other non distinguished minds alike.
    I agree that many stars look for the fame and money before true greatness. But, that is a whole new topic, I think. Again, my humble opinion.
    Also, as I’ve told many people…
    Give The King some time. And all he needs is one.
    I think before he’s done he will have a few, at least a few.

  • T-Money

    Umm… disappointed that nobody got that I was joking with the KD stuff.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    Kevin Durant 21: 30.1, 7.6, 2.8, 1.4, 1 on 47/36/90
    Lebron James: 21: 31.4, 7, 6.6, 1.6, .8 at 48/33/73
    KD: Six playoff games with Westbrook as the second best player
    LB: Thirteen playoff games with Drew Gooden as the second best player
    So… I’m not really sure how anyone can see KD is better at 21. He didn’t have better stats. He didn’t have more success in the playoffs. Honestly, he wasn’t even more of a vocal leader or a better defender or anything having to do with intangibles. It’s mystifying how people can think KD is better than Lebron, I think it’s just hate.

  • The Philosopher

    That is why Jukai is my dude.

  • rich

    inside scoring :lebron
    midrange:durant
    3 balls: draw
    attacking the rim: lebron
    rebounding:lebron
    passing:lebron
    free throwing:durant
    drawing ft attemps:durant
    finishing at the rim: lebron
    on ball defense: lebron
    help defense:lebron
    transition game:lebron
    Clutch:lebron
    ball handling:both cant dribble imo

    this prolly means lebrons better but any arguments? durant may get close but until lebrons knees start to waiver it is all about the kobe/lebron debate

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    People ALWAYS question the “leadership” of the best players on crappy teams–when they really should be questioning the “leadership” of management for failing to surround their best players with good talent.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    And since when is Kevin Durant a better leader than LeBron James? Since when has Kevin Durant excelled at anything other than scoring, honestly? I’m a huge Kevin Durant fan but this notion of him being a great vocal leader at this point in his career is something I have not seen–please, anybody, show me this evidence you all seem to have of Durant’s sublime leadership skills.

  • JoeMaMa

    I can’t take this…people need to stop with comparisons to Kobe and LeBron (and now KD) all the time. The thread is about Chris Bosh and whether he has suitable leadership skills. If you guys want to talk about the boring stuff and have the same argument, replete with personal attacks, set up your own website and talk about it there.

  • moneyandthepower

    lol at the nerve saying he just got out of “jail” what a joke this clown is. 1st u from the burbs now u just,got outta jail? dude who u think u foolin? u need more people!

  • ManofGod131

    In my opinion, LeBron is just stronger and more athletic than Kobe at this point…but he’s not better. No one can give solid evidence to prove that LeBron is better. The stats are irrelevant. Kobe still makes shots that LeBron wouldn’t dream of taking. Ask around the league, people still say Kobe’s the best. Kobe’s clutch ability is off the charts compared to LeBron. His outside shot is automatic. I’ll continue to say this, there shouldn’t be a conversation about Kobe-LeBron. A better debate is Kobe-Wade since they play the same position. LeBron is a Magic Johnson type of player who can score more because of his strength and ability to attack the basket.
    As for Chris Bosh, which is who this post is about, I think he noticed that he is not a #1 player on a championship team.

  • rikson

    Leading a team has less to do with actions than with charisma! Lebron is a fantastic player but not a leader – hes more a onemanshow – that is so good, that people will instantly give credit to the rest of the team! Jesus, how can one be a leader on the court, whos more businessman than player?!

  • the nerve

    @no money no power. still on my nads? GAY

  • BRAVO

    @SPEEDY see your missiing my point I ALRDY KNOW HE CAN SCORE ONCE WE GIVE HIM THE BALL. He didnt show leadership to any of the players on the team all he had time to do was make jokes.

  • BRAVO

    chris bosh is not a leader.

  • BRAVO

    chris bosh is not a leader, if he was he wouldve stayed in toronto or gone to another team that he can be his best @. But he and lebron join dwades squad. if anything dwade is a leader

  • MK

    First off let me say I am a huge LBJ fan. So there is no doubt in my mind that I will be routing for him in SoBe this year and in subsequent years. I am also from Toronto and I’m not going to hide my shame, I love my Raptors unfortunately. With that being said, a lot of people commenting are using their emotion and therefore not thinking rationally. A lot of you did not respond to the comment focusing on the point at hand, but instead bashed Jay Triano. First off, his comment was given to the Toronto Sun and not the Miami Herald. Therefore, a paper Miami clearly read an article pertaining to who was going to be the Raptor’s new leader. He clearly stated Chris was a leader by example (24pt/10rbs) but he was not a vocal guy, especially in the locker room. Now if you find hate in that, you’re clearly not equipped to handle the controversy of the NBA. It is evident Chris is a quiet person by nature, do you really expect him to be vocal in the locker room? And why is it that bad that he isn’t? I’m pretty sure he likes being a leader by example.

    P.S I hate irrational NBA fans who want to comment without taking in the intended reading material, stats, team make-up, etc. They disgust me.

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