Wednesday, September 29th, 2010 at 9:30 am  |  170 responses

LeBron James Doubts He Can Average Triple-Double

LBJ does his best to downplay any expectations about him having an Oscar Robertson-type of season for the Miami Heat. The Herald reports: “When Pat Riley met with LeBron James to pitch him on joining the Heat, Riley said James ‘sort of lit up’ and said, ‘That would be great if I didn’t have to score,’ that he could be maybe the first since Oscar Robertson to be a ‘triple-double guy.’ Although Heat swingman Mike Miller said it’s ‘doable’ and ESPN’s Jalen Rose said ‘he could pull it off if he chose,’ James is skeptical about averaging a triple-double. ‘Is it realistic? It’s so tough in this day and age,’ James said this week. ‘I look up to Big O so much to be able to do that. Unbelievable feat. I don’t believe it will ever be matched. It’s very intriguing. You would love to make history, but it’s not a goal of mine. My goal is to be a triple threat, not to average a triple-double. I know I can do that.’ James averaged 29.7 points, 7.3 rebounds and a career-high 8.6 assists last season; his career averages are 27.8, 7.1 and 7.0. Robertson averaged 30.8 points, 12.5 rebounds and 11.4 assists in 1961-62.”

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  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    @T-Money, I’ve noticed and felt that too but with that kind of progress on the 1st week of camp, can you really say that he’s “slowly” doing it?

  • JTaylor21

    ^^I don’t know bout y’all but I’ll be willing to pay just to watch them practice. Just imagine the kind of EPIC battles bron and wade are going to have all season long.

  • T-Money

    I’ve read somewhere that their practice will be televised this Friday on NBA TV (Raptors TV in Canada) like they did for NYK and WAS.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    If Bron is “taking over” in Miami, I think that’s disaster waiting to happen and one of the main reasons why I don’t think this team will achieve the kind of success everyone is predicting or expects. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if stories of in-fighting start floating around as the season progresses. I don’t expect Dwyane Wade to just be OK with having to step aside for LeBron James.

  • ManofGod131

    The hardest part would be the rebounds. I think he will average 23 points a game. Wade will average upwards of 25. Bosh around 20. Rebounds will mostly go to Haslem and Bosh. There has been talk about him playing point which would give them a lineup of Bron, Wade, Miller, Bosh and Haslem. The only pressure LeBron wants is to win. He doesn’t want the comparisons to Oscar or Michael or Magic or even Kobe (which I myself am tired of talking about). Honestly, this team is going to be scary and just like the 3 guys were saying yesterday on ESPN, people don’t boo because they hate your game, they boo because they know you’re a problem on the court. Just from watching them practice, I almost got goosebumps seeing he and Wade in the same practice gear. This is going to be a wonderful season. I like villains. He is more like Kobe now because people don’t really like either one of them lol. Lakers are ready when Kobe is fully back and Bynum who stupidly waited to have surgery. Vince Carter is lighter and more like the old VC from what I hear. So many good teams.

  • ManofGod131

    Wade said himself that he’s not a vocal leader and that LeBron will be heard the most…he leads by doing. I don’t put any stock in where the three sat during an interview lol. If you want to get that technical, during media day, Wade sat in the middle of them while they answered questions. This is Wade’s town. I don’t think LeBron went to Miami to take over.
    @JTaylor The Lakers are deeper than the Heat, that’s what makes them a better team. Just look at their benches. Would you rather have Eddie House, Jamaal Magloire, James Jones and Juward Howard? Or Lamar Odom, Matt Barnes, Steve Blake and an improving Shannon Brown? LeBron and Wade will be playing heavy minutes. Kobe will be able to rest a little bit during the season. And rings are rings. Circumstances don’t really matter. It doesn’t matter what kind of team you play on. So we can’t knock Kobe because he played with Shaq or Gasol/Bynum/Odom. It doesn’t lessen the achievement. If we dock Kobe, then we will have to end up docking LeBron even more when his career is over. Both of them will have to have asterisks because of who they played with. It will have to be across the board. What would MJ have been without Scottie? How many rings?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bryan has whisful thinking syndrome, which is cool from a Bulls fan perspective. I’ll tell you this and again, whiel I don’t write for anyone and am considered an old troll with nothing better to do than to rile people here, I have on good authority from within the Heat that there is a healthy respect for what Lebron is going to bring there. There isn’t petty jealousies flying about. And in some ways (and I bet a guy like Ryan Jones could add his wisdom to this if he was still around) that Lebron was playing to the cameras a bit yesterday to make things seem “overly” dramatic with his intensity game. The Heat practiced for 4 hours yesterday, 2 sessions. The media was allowed access for 15 minutes. From what I’ve heard from my guy is that in 4 on 4 full-court battles yesterday, Lebron’s 4 of him, Patrick Beverly, Joel Anthony and I can’t remember the other guy….maybe Shavlick Randolph…..were killing EVERY OTHER 4 out there. Look at those other 3 names. Killing EVERYONE. So yeah, perhaps Lebron is instilling his will but it’s only about ball for him. Nothing more.

  • T-Money

    Bryan: you should listen to their latest ESPN interview. I expect Wade to be down with the program. He said he’s glad that Bron will be realy vocal on the court because he had to take on that role the last few years in Miami even though that’s not really his style. He also talked about how he has no problem adjusting his game to fit the team’s needs and even bring the ball up some. And LeBron has already taken over the defensive end like KG did for Boston when he came over. I kinda figured this would happen because, after all, Bron is still the best player on this team but I didn’t know it would happen right away. Again, Wade will probably still be the focus of Miami’s marketing campaign OFF THE COURT.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Sorry….the 4th guy on Lebron’s squad was James Jones. So yeah……Lebron is kind of possessed right now.

  • http://onemoreandigottago.blogspot.com Zak_Knutson13

    The thing that really impresses me about Oscar’s 61-62 season is he didn’t just average a triple double. He averaged a MONSTER triple double. It wasn’t like he just squeaked by in one of the categories.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Lebron is a great vocal leader who has never had the talent he has now. Dwyane is a great leader through his actions (kind of like how Joe Dumars used to be) but only once has had enough talent to get to the top and during that time…never had to be vocal because it was a team of vets led by Shaq AND Riles led the charge. This is a match made in heaven for these two. They both finally have what they’ve both craved.

  • T-Money

    @ManogGod: Cmon now… the guys on the Heat bench you’ve mentioned are not even in the 9-man rotation. It’s Miller/Haslem/Big Z/House or Arroyo LO/Blake/Barnes/Brown or Sasha… not as lopsided as you make it to be.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, you know better. Unlike a lot of Bulls fans, the Heat don’t scare me. Never has. I think our team is certainly good enough to compete with them with what we have now. But I wonder, were you this big of a LeBron fan BEFORE he came to Miami? Not that it matters, I’m just curious.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Thank you for pointing that out, T-Money.

  • ManofGod131

    @T-Money Haslem will be the starting center and if LeBron plays point, Miller will also be in the starting lineup. So yeah, their bench may end up being the guys that I mentioned. Either way, the Lakers have three guys on their bench who could be starting on some other teams. However you slice it, the Lakers are deeper.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money, I saw that interview. I just think everyone is playing nice right now. That’s all. And as far as off the court marketing, if LeBron truly is taking over on the floor, he’ll take over off it too.

  • EJ

    Lebron probably could do it, but he himself said he’s not a stat padder, and if he tried to average a tripple doubble it would be on the expense of his team.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I enjoyed Lebrons’ game only behind Dwyane’s B…..so yeah….I was with him while everyone, including you, made him seem like he was some Jared Dudley clone when talking in terms of the best player in the game argument, especially once he left Cleveland. And while I would hope you or the Bulls wouldn’t be scared to play ANYONE, let alone the Heat, the bravado of two young guys like Noah and D-Rose are only going to carry you so far. If your hopes are falling on the broad yet limited shoulders of Booze, I fell for you and Bulls nation. I still say your boys are going to miss Captain Kirk (especially for D against Dwyane in a potential playoff matchup) more than their additions will mean to them. But I’ll say this….I worry more about them than the Magic.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Whoever said Haslem may be a starting center needs to get back to class. And unless there’s some strange turn of the screw…the Heat’s starters are going to be Anthony, Bosh, James, Wade and Chalmers.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Shaq and Kobe on the same team was a stacked effing deck.
    Kobe, Pau, Artest and Odom is a stacked effing deck.
    Hell, Garnett, Pierce, Allen and Rondo is a stacked deck, and let’s not forget Duncan and Robinson.
    Bird, Parish, Johnson and McHale?
    Magic, Kareem, and Worthy?
    Russell, Cousy, and the gang?
    Kareem and Oscar?
    Anybody who devalues Lebron’s rings because he won them in Miami is being ridiculous.
    The rings are rings. I would have preferred to see him go at wade’s neck to get them, but even if he went to Chicago he would have been on a stacked team, compared to the rest of the league.
    That just doesn’t make sense and is indicative of the ridiculous standards people use when discussing Lebron.

  • Dagger

    Crawford: the Heat shouldn’t scare you, because chances are they won’t be competing with your Bulls for anything that matters. I’d be more scared of fighting the Bucks or Hawks for the 5 seed, because there’s no way the Bulls deserve to be considered a contender for the best record in the East, let alone the championship. Not with a sub-.500 record last year, a new coach whose offensive merits remain a huge unknown, a point who can’t shoot and needs to work on his passing, and a much-heralded new big who’s a defensive liability even when he does stay healthy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Oh and B, for the 100th time, I hated the Decision. I loved the outcome and threw the MJ fist pump when he said South Beach. But the idea of it, the twerpy little Jim Grey, the bad, overgroomed beard, etc? I hated it like everyone else and almost felt bad for the Cavs and their fans until Gilbert and their fans went on like Lebron was Hitler.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why are drafts and trades better than free agent signings?
    So, the NBA system that was stacked against players making the most money and having the most freedom is preferable to the current model?
    Really?
    We prefer the reserve clause? We think it’s cool that teams can basically pay players whatever they want to pay them, and then tell thm to go screw themselves if they don’t report to camp?
    This is the best way to build a team?
    Nah, not for me.
    Building a team is building a team. I can’t believe that people find it more palatable to have owners and GMs making personnel decisions than having players look at their peers and say “I want to play with that guy.”
    That’s a power dynamic I support, even if I would have preferred if Lebron made a different choice.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, Ronnie Brewer is a far more capable defender than Hinrich. And with the he way he stunk it up the last 2 seasons, he won’t be missed. And collectively, Rose, Noah, and Booz are as good a trio as there is in the East. And why knock on Booz? He’s just a bigger version of Bosh.. a 20/10 guy with no D. And I don’t think anybody believes in the Magic anymore.

  • ManofGod131

    Actually, SportsCenter had Haslem listed as the starting center….so I guess ESPN needs to get it together.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    He can do it; I actually can’t see him not doing at least 13pts 11 assist 12rebounds a game. Honestly speaking.

  • hammer

    Not a lbj fan by any means of the imagination,but a trip-dub isn’t that far fetched. Its doable and my guess is he will. The games gonna come pretty easy 2 him now. Won’t expend the energy he used 2 spend on scoring pts which gives him more energy 2 get them rodmans and dimes. On a sidenote…f**k the heat and what they stand 4! Ha ha!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Dagger: Actually, the Bulls have been a .500 team the last 2 years, not a sub .500 team. Come correct before you start taking shots at my squad. Secondly, I think the Bulls have a much better shot of having a better record than both the Hawks and Bucks based on how strong of a team they will be defensively. And to take shots at Thibs for offense, you act like VDN was some kind of offensive genius or something? And to take shots at DRose and Booz is just asinine. Those guys are legit, even if they have some shortcomings.

  • T-Money

    Bryan: you really believe that Chicago’s trio is as good as Boston’s and Miami’s? Like… for real?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    @ManofGod, yes they should. @ B, Ronnie Brewer is capable….of being embarrassed. The last meaningful playoff matchup he had was against Kobe and Kobe ate him. So if you think his little skinny ass can match up with Bron, you’re silly. If you think he can deal with Dwyane over a seven game series that’s silly. Kirk matched up with Dwyane better than ANYONE in the league. That’s not a reach. Dude frustrated him EVERY game they played. Dwyane himself has said the same.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    Ronnie Brewer is a far more capable defneder than Hinrich…? What???

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    I’m sorry Crawford, you seem like an intelligent dude but you say the most unreasonable things to prove your points.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Allenp: Yes, I will devalue LeBron for the rings he wins in Miami. If that makes me ridiculous, then I’ll bee dat with no problem. Kobe has maybe 2 years left in him in LA. Boston, has a season. Orlando, forget it. But once those things evaporate, that’s it. Where is the competition for Miami? Chicago? New York if they get Melo and CP3? And that’s just in the East. What about the West? There is none. So no, I can not and will not honor that and I won’t apologize for it. I’m sorry. Amd saying that you would’ve preferred that he take another route to get his rings and then following that up with saying you’re OK with how he gets his rings is a conflict in and of itself. I’m Ok with the control going back into the hands of GM and not the players. Inmates should not run the asylum. We’ve already seen the fallout from that.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @T-Money: Like for real, for real.
    @Eboy: Brewer is a good matchup for Wade, not Bron. BTW – Kobe kills everybody.
    @Jukai: If you think Hinrich is a better defender than Ronnie Brewer, OK. I’m not going to argue that.

  • JTaylor21

    BCrawford, Wade/Bron/Bosh are a way better trio than Rose/Noah/Booz, no disrepect it’s not even a comp. Also when has Brewer ever been a great defender, he’s overrated if you ask me. What did he do against Kobe, nothing, against Melo, nothing, and whenever the heat played the jazz; wade ALWAYS had his way with him. I think that you’re overrating Bre’s D a little too much. Also boozer unlike Bosh, struggles against size and is a worse defender. He played with a top-2 PG the past 3 years and didn’t do sh*t in the playoffs.

  • Ronald

    Maybe he should try and lead the league in rebounds or something. That’ll be suprising and cool all at the same time.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Just a question, B….who’s the matchup for Lebron? Taj Gibson? Deng? There’s your deathtrap.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @JTaylor21: I did not say that the Bulls TRIO was “better” than anybody’s, I said they were AS GOOD AS any trio in the East, and I stand by that. Boston’s is old and on their way out and Miami’s is at the top of the food chain. That’s not even a debate. But ours is definitely legit even though nobody seems to want to give them any credit for being so.

  • T-Money

    Bryan: if you truly believe that Rose, Noah, Booz is just as good as Bron, Bosh, Wade and KG, Ray Ray, PP… then there’s really nothing left to discuss / Allenp saying that he would have PREFERRED Bron to choose another team and that his potential rings in Miami would still be legit is not a contradiction. / Not sure Brewer has the foot speed to keep up with Wade. But then again, who does…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, I purposefully didn’t even bring up LeBron because I know better. There is no 1-on-1 matchup for him. That’ll have to be by commitee, although Deng does a fairly good job on him. He’s not a stopper though. I’m not that crazy.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Boozer is not on the same level as Bosh. That’s just false.
    And if you think Noah, Booze and Rose compares to Lebron, Wade and Bosh, you’re high. Really, REALLY high. Come on now, being a fan is one thing, but come on.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy is right. Hinrich played Wade better than anybody in the League. In fact, when the Bulls bounced the heat in the playoffs, it was mainly because Hinrich had Wade looking like a bum for long stretches. He doesn’t bite on the pump fakes, doesn’t let him drive to his right at will, and plays him phyiscally, but clean. I always liked Hinrich.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    B, the Heat have no one in the backcourt for D-Rose unless Wade sticks with him on critical possessions. Noah is not an offensive threat (like Joel Anthony) and Bosh and Boozer are probably going to be a wash. So basically it comes down to Wade/Bron and Deng/Gibson, am I right? If I am, I think you’re in trouble.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    1.people have conceded the future to the Heat, not the present. The Lakers front court and depth gives them an edge, but in another year or two it’s over for them. Maybe sooner.
    2.you can’t take a chip away from them, but you can put a big assasterisk next to it. I’ll get into the contstruction and validity of other stacked teams in a post another time, but the glaring difference between this situation and any other is that there was no GM or owner acting on the players behalf. This wasn’t due to a trade or a fixed draft. LeBron made “The Decision”. No one else. If he wins, he wins. But no one will forget how.
    3.people have been bombarded with the Kobe/Shaq corrollary so often that it’s been all but cemented as fact. Kobe himself acknowledged it during both of his past two chips. So if it’s applicable then, then it’s applicable now. You can say that Bron n Wade needed each other, but that’s not necessarily true either.
    4.i heart Kobe, as I hearted MJ so I don’t mind a cocky player. But in the decision that Bron made, he essentially humbled himself. If he would have overtly said “I don’t want to do it alone, it’s not fun. I’d rather enjoy the game with my friends and honestly I do like to pass more. I don’t want to carry the load every night. And I don’t want one ring. I want a fistfull. I want to be a part of something bigger than myself.” then there’d be no problems from me. But he hasn’t. He’s stacked the deck in a way that no one before him has and continues to behave as though he’s the King. You can’t have it both ways and if he didn’t learn that this summer he will soon enough.
    5.bye.

  • JTaylor21

    @BCrawford, isn’t that a contradicting statement; you said that they as good as ANYBODY but then said that MIA is at the top of the food chain. Either CHI is tied at the top with Mia or they are below them in terms of trios. Also I do give them credit but DRose hasn’t yet reached his full potential, Booz is a very good player but lacks size and struggles immensely vs length, and Noah is a great rebounder and hustler but nothing more.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Allenp: So now Chris Bosh is better than Carlos Boozer? Really? How? Yesterday, you said that you weren’t ready to concede that Iguodala wasn’t a better mid-range shooter than Josh Smith and you needed to see stats. But everybody knows that without even having to look anything up. And no, the trio in Chicago doesn’t “compare” to Miami’s, but don’t act like they’re no slouches either. Nobody has a trio that compares player-for-player to what they have down there, but that doesn’t mean that there isn’t any competition for them either. Excuse me for not being willing to just roll over and play dead for Miami.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    1.people have conceded the future to the Heat, not the present. The Lakers front court and depth gives them an edge, but in another year or two it’s over for them. Maybe sooner.
    2.you can’t take a chip away from them, but you can put a big assasterisk next to it. I’ll get into the contstruction and validity of other stacked teams in a post another time, but the glaring difference between this situation and any other is that there was no GM or owner acting on the players behalf. This wasn’t due to a trade or a fixed draft. LeBron made “The Decision”. No one else. If he wins, he wins. But no one will forget how.
    3.people have been bombarded with the Kobe/Shaq corrollary so often that it’s been all but cemented as fact. Kobe himself acknowledged it during both of his past two chips. So if it’s applicable then, then it’s applicable now. You can say that Bron n Wade needed each other, but that’s not necessarily true either.
    4.i heart Kobe, as I hearted MJ so I don’t mind a c*cky player. But in the decision that Bron made, he essentially humbled himself. If he would have overtly said “I don’t want to do it alone, it’s not fun. I’d rather enjoy the game with my friends and honestly I do like to pass more. I don’t want to carry the load every night. And I don’t want one ring. I want a fistfull. I want to be a part of something bigger than myself.” then there’d be no problems from me. But he hasn’t. He’s stacked the deck in a way that no one before him has and continues to behave as though he’s the King. You can’t have it both ways and if he didn’t learn that this summer he will soon enough.
    5.bye.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    I don’t see the conflict.
    I would have preferred, as a fan, to see he and Wade battle it out for rings. More exciting basketball for me.
    That doesn’t mean that Lebron, Wade and Bosh trying to win ring with role players and castoffs he somehow unvalid. It’s like Jordan, Pippen and Rodman (who was a free agent if I’m not mistaken).
    If every other superstar can play with superstars to win rings, why can’t Lebron? I feel like Rose should develop into a superstar, but I can understand that Lebron didn’t want to wait around. He wants to win now and so do Wade and Bosh.
    I think it’s ridiculous to say Lebron’s rings don’t count because his team is stacked when you look back over the history of NBA champions and who played on which teams. It just doesn’t make sense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    But I can’t wait to see this sh*t live and in person so we can all stop being at each other’s throats over hypotheticals and be at each other’s throats over the REAL THING!!!!!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, the Joel Anthony vs Joakim Noah thing was a joke, right?

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