Thursday, September 23rd, 2010 at 11:00 am  |  130 responses

Power Players

SLAMOnline’s newest blogger, AllenP, ranks the 90′s best power forwards.

by Allen Powell

What makes a power forward special? Is it outstanding rebounding numbers or an insane scoring touch? How much weight should be given to players who make their name as defenders, or glue guys? Can you really be one of the dominant players in a decade if you only play for three, four or five years?

Some of the greatest power forwards of all-time either made their marks, or their debuts, in the 90’s. In addition to the names we all know and love, there are some other players whose stars shone brightly, if briefly. Take a gander at who got the job done.

Karl Malone

With all due respect, Charles Barkley sounds stupid whenever tries to leapfrog Karl Malone in the best power forward of all-time discussion.

Barkley had the shoes, commercials and video games, but it was Malone who was killing the game softly like Roberta Flack.

The statistics are mind-blowing. After averaging 31 and 11 at the start of the decade, Malone would never average fewer than 23 points for the next ten seasons, while typically supplying 10 boards and 3-4 assists. Before he retired, Malone had a legit shot to catch Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for the all-time scoring title.

But, to really appreciate Malone’s dominance it’s important to consider the weaknesses scouts initially saw in his game.

There were questions about his jump shot. Malone became the most dependable pick and pop player in the league. People wondered if he had the physical tools to thrive. Malone built himself into arguably the most impressive physical specimen in NBA history. Throughout his career, people wondered whether Malone was smart enough, polished enough or savvy enough to succeed. They forgot that the Mailman always delivers.

Charles Barkley

Before he became the butt of every fat joke on TNT, Charles Barkley was That Guy.

The guy who spit on little girls. The guy who ended bar fights with free trips through plate glass windows. The guy who had no problem reminding Americans that they needed to raise their kids, not him. And, the guy who gobbled rebounds and big men like they were Krispy Kreme donuts fresh out of the oven.

Barkley was the face of big men in the 90s, and he sent shockwaves through tcbarkleyhe League with every rim-rattling “Gorilla Dunk” or outlandish antic.

The Chuck Wagon’s really ridiculous numbers came in the 1980s when he was a wild man trying to fit in with the staid Sixers’ vets, but he was no slouch in the 90s. Regularly topping 23 points a game with 11 boards, Barkley’s only flaws were an indifference to defense, conditioning and decorum. On the 1992 Dream Team, Barkley was described by observers as a “force of nature.”

Call him Hurricane Chuck. Aye Bay, Bay.

Chris Webber

Chris Webber is underrated.

Think about it for a minute. Webber’s legacy, in many eyes, is one of failure. The infamous timeout as a Wolverine, the multiple choke jobs in Sacramento and the limping jump shot heavy debacles in Philadelphia, Detroit and Golden State. Some NBA fans have “heard” that Webber was once amazing, but many of them don’t really believe it.

Well run tell this: Chris Webber was the third best power forward in the 90’s, and honestly it wasn’t even close.

The numbers are stellar. Webber made it his business to average 20 points and 10 boards most years, but he also dished out 4.5 assists, 1.5 steals and 1.5 blocks. Yeah, the free throw shooting was ugly, but anybody who saw Webber hitting a cutting Vlade Divac with a behind-the-back pass from the post knows that was the only ugly part of Webber’s game.

Before his knees betrayed him, Webber had jump shots, baby hooks and pretty dimes in spades. And I’m not talking about Tyra Banks. Sure, he bumped heads with Don Nelson (Who hasn’t?) and disappointed fans in D.C. (Marijuana is a helluva drug), but there can be no question he was a dominant force in the 90s and into the 2000s.

Everybody hates who?

Dennis Rodman

This was the toughest spot to rank.

Shawn Kemp’s ridiculous alley-oops and crotch-grabbing antics are permanently ingrained in every 80’s baby’s brain. The tale of Derrick Coleman’s squandered potential is part of NBA lore.

But, it had to be The Worm.

Dennis Rodman is easily the most controversial player in NBA history, and that’s without discussing his wedding dress, tattoos and piercings. His game is enough to spark intense debates about what’s truly valuable, and how much weight should be given to “specialists.”

Rodman didn’t really score, only cracking double figures once. By the 90s he had bulked up, and even the pretense of caring about buckets was abandoned. But, Rodman’s elite rebounding and defense, along with his ability to ignite his team and provoke opposing players into horrible mistakes was astounding.

Most people remember Jordan stripping Malone before his iconic final shot. But what they don’t remember is Malone flopping horribly after the strip because Rodman had taken up residence in the Mailman’s mind and had him whining to the refs. Rodman never tantalized fans with superstar scoring potential, but he did force viewers to appreciate that there are other ways to dominate a game.

Now somebody get this man into the Hall of Fame.

Shawn Kemp

Was there a more beautiful sight in the 1990’s than watching Shawn Kemp take flight to cram through another off-target alley-oop from Gary Payton? Who didn’t marvel as Kemp trademarked the phrase “nuts on the nostrils” while emasculating plodding earthbound suckers trying to contain him?

Outside of the high wire act occurring nightly in Chicago, nothing compared.

Kemp made it rain when Weezy was still in magnet school. Before Allen Iverson hit the scene, Kemp and his classic Southside Houston bald fade embodied the hip-hop aesthetic on the hardwood. A prep-to-pro star before the elaborate support systems, Kemp’s game always maintained a rawness that made it even more appealing.

But, sometimes the memory can play tricks. Even with his descent into cocaine and obesity, Kemp has a stellar rep among fans, yet he only averaged 20 points for one season in his career. True, 19 points and 10 boards is still impressive, and Kemp was a terror facing up opposing power forwards and giving them his loosey-goosey crossover, but there is a clear separation between his game and the game of the true dominant players of his decade.

Turns out some things really are better on You Tube.

Derrick Coleman

Derrick Coleman had Game, and the capital “G” is intentional.

Handles, post moves, jumpers, rebounding and defense were all part of Coleman’s package, with a nasty streak for good measure. Most NBA analysts agree that there have been few more players talented than Coleman, and for once, they’re right.

So, what happened?

Life happened, or more accurately, the NBA life happened. Coleman exploded in his first five seasons in the League posting a silky smooth 20 and 10 most years, and even garnering an invite to embarrass foreigners in the 1994 World Championships.

But, Coleman’s game would steadily erode over the remainder of his career as the temptations and a foul attitude conspired to prevent him from joining the all-time greats. He began to rely far too much on jumpers, as evidenced by his plummeting shooting percentage, and spend way too much time at bars and steakhouses.

Coleman had all the tools to join the pantheon, he just didn’t seem that keen on using them.

Larry Johnson

Nobody made dunking in a dress and granny glasses look cooler than Larry Johnson.

Then again, who else tried it?

Grandmamma, as LJ was once known, had a game as exuberant as his gap-toothed smile, and if chronic back problems hadn’t robbed him of his explosiveness he could have easily been higher on this list.

Johnson was introduced to the public via a brash UNLV squad that was almost as racially divisive as O.J. Simpson, but when he got to the NBA all that angst disappeared. Johnson’s fun-loving attitude and ferocious game quickly made him a fan favorite and a nightmare for opposing coaches. Although undersized, Johnson would earn Rookie-of-the Year by punishing players on the block thanks to broad shoulders and a wide base. Plus, once he faced up on most big men, it was curtains thanks to an insane first step.

By the time he left Charlotte for New York, Johnson’s burst was gone, but thanks to an underrated understanding of the game and impeccable work ethic he was still a key cog in the last relevant Knicks teams. Remember Johnson hitting that ridiculous three pointer against Indiana that sent the Knicks to the 1999 Finals? The foul call was bogus, but the shot was still wet.

L.J.’s game was no fairy tale.

Juwan Howard

Biggie said “Mo’ money, mo’ problems” and Juwan Howard would probably agree.

After taking a year to prove that the Fab Five wasn’t all about Chris Webber, Howard was reunited with his former partner-in-shine when the Wizards picked him fifth in the 1994 Draft.

Sadly, the two big men would see their reunion marred by injuries, holdouts and arrests. Despite that, Howard’s first two seasons were stellar, particularly year two when he averaged 22 points and eight boards and was third team All-NBA.

However, that offseason the Bullets and Heat engaged in a bidding war for Howard’s services, with the Wizards ultimately making him the NBA’s first $100 million man. That contract, and circus surrounding his signing, would dog Howard for the rest of his career as he could never live up to the demands of being paid like “The Man.” Howard posted solid averages of about 18 and 8 for the next few years, but his career would be defined by his quiet intelligence more than a dominating game.

Kevin Willis

The man affectionately dubbed “T-Rex” because of his stubby and ridiculously cut arms is kind of a forgotten player.

Younger fans likely remember him solely as an old guy with a bad haircut on the Raptors and Spurs, but in his heyday Willis was a bonafide beast for the Atlanta Hawks banging alongside high-flyer Dominique Wilkins.

Willis bounced between the forward and center positions, but by the 90’s he had cemented himself as a terror on the glass averaging 15.5 boards in 1991, while managing to score 18 points a game. The only reason Willis isn’t ranked higher is because by the middle of the decade he had settled into the role of solid journeyman after a decade putting in work.

A lottery pick in the famed 1984 draft, Willis built his reputation on being in peak physical condition, which allowed him to contend with younger players into his 40s. Although he struggled with injuries at times, Willis was known as a rugged defender and locker room leader until he retired.

Clifford Robinson

Was Clifford Robinson a power forward? The incomparable Red Auerbach said it’s ridiculous to classify forwards as “small” or “power.” Mr. Celtic said the only important measure is if a player gets the job done.

Who can argue with Red?

Robinson doesn’t have the rebounding numbers of a power forward, nor does he have the shooting percentage. He’s known more for his three point shooting than his post moves, even though Robinson attempted fewer than 150 three pointers in his first five seasons combined. With his height, soft touch and lack of handle, Robinson was more Bob McAdoo than Grant Hill.

But, it would be idiotic to focus on what Uncle Cliffy couldn’t do, when there is so much he did well, starting with winning. Robinson only missed the playoffs once in his 18 year career, and he was a key cog off the bench for a Portland Trailblazer team that was a constant contender in the West. Robinson topped 20 points per game multiple times in his career, and is the oldest player to ever score 50 points.

Positions are overrated.

Kevin Garnett

Yes, Kevin Garnett was drafted in 1995. Yes, he came fresh out of high school and only averaged 10 points and 4 boards his rookie year.

So what? kg-twolves-pic

After a one-year to get his mind right, Garnett was putting up 17 and 8 on 50 percent shooting and by the end of the 90s he was a certified 23 and 12 with five assists, a block and a steal. There is a reason the Minnesota Timberwolves exploded the NBA salary structure to keep Da Kid around…

Including Garnett on this list meant a worthy power forward like Tom Gugliotta, Christian Laettner, Horace Grant, Antonio McDyess and Danny Manning couldn’t make the cut, but Garnett’s impact and numbers would not be denied. Three years removed from the prom he was among the best at his position, within five years he was arguably the best. His unique combination of size, speed, athleticism and heart have made him one of the most popular and wealthy NBA players ever. Even with the general douchery associated with Boston sports, Garnett maintains a certain level of respect.

The Big Ticket is worth the price of admission.

Allen Powell II is a reporter at the Times Picayune in New Orleans, La. A graduate of Howard University and the University of Maryland-College Park, he’s maintain an abiding love for basketball and SLAM Magazine since taping a picture of Tim Duncan sitting on a throne of basketballs to his bedroom wall. In fact, SLAM was the first magazine he ever subcribed to. “Highlights” doesn’t count since his parents paid for the subscription.

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  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    So using Allen Iverson as an example, at 6-0, he doesn’t get extra points in your book for being the scorer that he was in comparison to guys who’ve put up points at the same clip and who were 6-9 inches taller he was? I think doing amazing things on the basketball court while bing at a significant disadvantage (like height) deserves a litle extra credit.

  • Papa Smurf

    People will call me crazy, but I put Rodman at #1. I don’t care much about stats; I care about impact on games. Forget about the off-court antics, Rodman was one of the smartest (yep – smartest) and most tenacious players I’ve ever seen. And I know it doesn’t mean much in this discussion, but fyi – Phil Jackson said Rodman is the greatest athlete he’s ever coached.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Can somebody please explain to me what the “general douchery associated with Boston sports” is?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    It’s not like Charles Barkley was on a level playing field going up against guys who were much taller than him, yet in most cases, he was still able to outperform them. To not give that an acknowledgement or at least some form of credit to me seems unjust.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    But great write up, Allenp. It’s awesome to have you on SLAM, thanks for these…educating the young un’s.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    Nah, I said a bunch of extra points, or the deciding factor.
    You get a bump, but it can’t be massive. Yes, you overcame a handicap, but the point is your overall performance. I don’t give players a bunch of extra points because they are slow, but still dominant, or small but still great. Yes, it’s more impressive, but if the taller player is better than you, he’s better than you.
    Does that make sense?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Iverson is my dude, but I don’t say “Well he scored so much was only 6 feet so that means he’s a better scorer than all the tall cats who scored more than him.”
    Nah, some of those cats, because they were taller and could do more, are just flat out better scorers than him. If you were blessed with certain gifts and you used them, it’s not your fault that another guy never had them. I hate when people gush about players and the first thing out of their mouths is how you have to give them so many extra points for not being gifted in certain areas. If they aren’t a better scorer or passer or rebounder than a guy who is gifted, then they aren’t.
    Moose, y’all have almost as bad a rep as New York people.
    Larry Legend
    Do you honestly consider Grant and Oakley dominant forces in the 90s? I don’t. They were good, sometimes great players, but they were both role players, whose game was never the focal point of a team. Besides, Oakley’s best statistical years came in the 80s, and Grant, while good, was never truly great in my opinion. I believe in giving players extra points if their teams contended, to a degree. In this case, evne with the fact that hey were playing for contenders, neither Grant nor Oakley were real “stars” or borderline stars at any point in their careers.

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    Loving these 90′s look backs, nicely done AllenP. Centres next, yeah? Totally agree with Malone at #1… and I don’t think I can disagree with the rankings at all. Tough to see Grant miss out – big big fan of his – but yeah I’d have him at 12 after Manning. Can’t front. Interesting thing with Webber: were his best years in the 90′s or the 00′s? Either way, he’d make top 10 no worries in either decade.

  • MattyF

    I like the list but grand mama Larry Johnson gotta be higher b4 his injuries he was the man

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    When it comes to scoring, the taller you are, theoretically, the easier it is. I would never consider Shaq to be a better scorer than AI just because he was taller. It’s for that very reason that AI gets the nod because Shaq, given his size, is supposed to dominate like that. Iverson is not. It was much more difficult for Iverson to get his. We view things through different lenses. So yeah, I get your point, but that’s also where we differ in our opinion. I think Barkley was better than Karl Malone because he wasn’t as big and had more skill. You admittedly wrestled with this to, but you ranked Karl #1. It’s not that I think you’re wrong, or even wholeheartedly disagree, it’s really a close cal, no right or wrong answer. We just weight certain things differently.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Agreed.
    To be honest, I used to think like that back in 2001 when I was proclaiming Iverson hands down the best player in the league because of what he did at his size. But, even then, I thought that if a player can do more, doesn’t that mean he might be better.
    For the record, Shaq is a better scorer than Iverson, in my opinion. Efficiency matters, and Shaq was as efficient as he was dominant in his youth. Shaq could do more with less, even if he didn’t have all the post moves.
    That would be a great topic to examine. How about you and I do a little back and forth or something on a set of dominant scorers and decide who gets the nod as a scoring machine? But, we pick players who have very very different skill sets and games to compare. Kind of a purposeful apples to oranges comparison to see if its worth it

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    good article Allen. This is unimportant but I wish you would have put Rodman’s rebounding averages from the 90′s up. Got Damn

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Yea I know, allen. And I agree about bonus points for lacking certain qualites. A lil notation but not major props. Shaq was a better scorer than ai. I wonder who is now, haha. And I read a while back that chucks actual height was 6 5 1/4. Def short for pf, but he got it done. Karl was better.

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’m down with that. And I agree, when you’re evaluating a player completely, top to bottom, doing more does make you better. But if you’re evaluating or judging players based on one criteria, like scoring, then you evaluate them on that and that alone. And to your point about Shaq, it’s very easy to be efficient when all your points come right at the basket and you don’t have to extend as much energy as a player over a foot shorter and 200 lbs lighter.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It’s the ultimate question.
    Is scoring about getting buckets, or do you get extra points for how you get those buckets?
    Is Jordan a better scorer than Wilt? Kareem?
    Whose better between Iverson and Malone at getting buckets?
    This is why that would be a great debate.

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I agree. Just let me know how you want to do it. I’m not sure if you’re on Twitter or not, but if you are, get at me on there. If not, just hit Ryne up. But we can do it as a collab on your blog. A topic, then your take and my take.

  • The Lord of Nsam (formerly known as Fresh Prince)

    AllenP = new Scoop Jackson

  • JTaylor21

    I would say NO to that MJ question because Wilt’s records will never be surpassed and Kareem during his Bucks years was a straight up GOON and had the MOST unstoppable move of all-time. I would also say that Malone was better than AI at getting buckets but only by a small margin because Malone had a better mid range game and got to the line more, so defenders were rendered useless against him, also he GOT buckets for a longer period of time than AI.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    interesting topic. allen, if you’re gonna judge scoring, then personally i think it’s about getting buckets and not how you get them.
    kind of goes with the saying that a flashy dunk is still worth as much points as a layup or midrange j. you’ll get more props for the dunk, but you won’t get more points for it.

  • http://myspace.com/emarosa Bryan

    Allenp : you’ve answered that question by calling Durant a better scorer than Lebron. He can give it to you in more ways than Lebron can. Shaq did a lot of scoring in the post. Hooks, dunks, 3 footers, but he wasn’t hitting jumpers, threes, free throws etc. S for Iverson to have a higher ppg and be able to do it in more ways without just the plain physical advantage, I’d have to give him the nod as the better scorer. Efficiency be damned.

  • Bruce Weber’s Diaper

    Barkley would destroy today’s weak post players.

  • JTaylor21

    I am NOT so sure about throwing efficiency out the window. You have to take it into account when comparing scorers, because many guys can score 45 points but need 30 shots to get it but ONLY a handful need only 20-23 shots to get it. I rather have a guy like Shaq who just overpowers and needs only a certain number of shots to score 40-50 points than a guy like AI who needs 30-35 shots to score the same amount of points. Efficient scoring beats bad shooting numbers any day.

  • http://myspace.com/emarosa Bryan

    I said it wrong, efficiency matters to a certain degree, but what I mean is if Shaqs post game stops working, or someone is stronger than he is (not likely) his game can be curbed because he has no other options. If Iverson’s drive game wasn’t working , he could stick the J, if his J wasn’t hitting he could get to the line. Any way you slice that dude was giving you 30.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    30 points on 30 shots is far from impressive. Even more so if you lose. But regardless, 30 points is 30 points and a small perimeter player who doesn’t have the advantage of playing with his back to the basket and getting points or being able to get rebounds and putbacks for easy scores like a post player would is always going to be less efficient. When people knock a perimeter player for not being efficient, I think it’s very unfair. Especially when there are so many other variables to be considered.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    That’s why with most perimeter players, I really only look at shooting percentages. If a guy shoots anywhere between 45-48% from the field, I’m OK with that.

  • http://myspace.com/emarosa Bryan

    Iverson shot an average of 45.5% (give or take) whenever he played with a LEGIT second option.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Nice read Allenp, really really nice. Thx. Rodman most def belongs, best rebounder ever, top 5 best defender ever, huge winner and team player, best hustle player ever, top 5 mind game player ever. Great list, maybe just maybe Oak should have been on here, hard to say who he should replace though, apart from that I have no complaints. I don’t know what Chuck’s height was, but he was not 6’6, I guess we can all agree that MJ was a legit 6’6 and every photo of the two together he is slightly taller than Chuck. Again great read Allenp.

  • David

    Can we read the Danny Manning paragraph, just for fun?

  • Papa Smurf

    David, I bet it goes something like this:

    Danny Manning – had the potential to be an all-time great . . . until he was picked by the Clippers.

  • http://myspace.com/emarosa Bryan

    AllenP I give it up to you dude. I always enjoyed reading your comments and now I enjoy your pieces. Great work my man.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Bryan, ‘if shaqs post game stops working….’ that might be the dumbest thing ever written on this site. Shaqs game was the post and the post is the location of his game. Before he got old, no one could stop him, except hakeem. And I think post players arent given enough credit for how hard it is to score down low. Perimeter guys dribble around and take a jumper whenever. Big guys have to grind hard to get a decent look. and I would like to read the danny manning paragraph. …………. Im down with lil flip and im down with tip, if them niccas come together know how much paper we can see. Slim thug and z-ro yall still bullshiin ………… Paul wall and the koopa still aint talkn……. RIP SWEET JAMES JONES

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Allen.. Do you consider Timmy as a center? Or is his 3 years with a LOT of accomplishments not enough to warrant a spot? I think Tim is a PF majority of the time since DRob is still solid as their center. Is a finals mvp not considered a major personal accomplishment? Let alone stats, all nba teams, ROY etc. I’d take TD and his outstanding 3 years against a guy who’s great say like Kevin Willis who (as you noted) turned to be a journeyman in the middle of the decade. BTW this is another good stuff..

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    TD most certainly was a PF for his three years in the 90′s, but I don’t feel its long enough to qualify. All NBA first team as a rookie though – its a tough call. For the record, I have Duncan as the #1 PF of all time.

  • The Philosopher

    Cliff Robinson isn’t better than Garnett.
    Period.
    Good sh1t, though.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Hey AllenP, congrats on getting the gig!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    @Tarzan he said if* someone stopped shaq’s post game he would not have any other options, which is 100% true but….Hakeem could not even at his pinnacle check Shaq circa 99-00. Nobody ever could stop him then. I like Iverson more as a scorer, but be realistic, if any of you had first pick in any year of Shaq and Iverson’s career and you were told you had to pick a player that gave you the best chance of scoring on every possession (not considering defense). You would have picked shaq

  • JTaylor21

    @Philo, Allen’s talking about the 90s where KG did not dominate like he did in 00s, you’re my MAIN man but you got to read the whole article. 90s Big Dog > 90s KG but 00s KG>>>>>>>>>>>>90s Big Dog.

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    Uncle Cliffy’s 10 year body of work trumps KG’s 4 year set.

  • Ronald

    Congrats Allenp! Well deserved.

  • The Philosopher

    In that regard, I concede.
    Again, good sh1t.
    Allenp rolling along.
    So happy for you, brethren.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Allenp doin’ work!

  • hangtime Hec

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4SmhwMHiV8

    D-Wade is listed as 6’4. The Bark dog has at LEAST 2 inches on Wade.

  • Nick the Quick

    AllenP Nice article. I agree with just about everyone on the list besides the close call between #1 and #2 and TD’s possible placement on the list. Also, isn’t it great that rarely people can disagree on basketball on this site and still be civil about it, conceding points where facts are obvious and not resorting to the usual calling each other old, on medication (legal or otherwise) or feminine parts. I’m sure most of the commentors/readers like this.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Sorry, gotta carry the hip-hop discussion back here from the other day. I always thought UGK is pretty overrated, no offense to Southern rap fans.
    And Tarzan, if you don’t dig “He’s the DJ, I’m the Rapper” by Jazzy Jeff and Fresh Prince you officially know nothing about hip-hop pre-2000. It’s an ’88 classic during maybe the best year of hip-hop. As for Kid ‘N Play, they were tight! H@te if you want, they sonned 2 Live Crew without uttering a swear word. Very fun group to listen and watch; underrated group because they weren’t vulgar.
    Also, forgot to mention Showbiz and A.G. in the duos list.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Allenp: There’s gotta be a place for great workhorses like Oak, Mase, and the Davis brothers… Not sure where, but there’s gotta be a place. They didn’t rack up stats like the other guys but they played an integral role in shaping ’90s basketball.

  • JTaylor21

    @Teddy you’re my man but DON’T go there with the UGK’s overrated stuff, don’t even think about. UGK would eat alive any east or west coast rap group in history. Pimp C was nice and the flamboyant one but Bun-B was that dude, he would give all those supposed great lyricists a run for their money. UGK was the reason why Big Pimpin became such a BIG hit. Underground Kings are true rap legends and RIP Chad Butler aka Sweet James Jones.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Oh wow, I completely forgot to mention The Artifacts… Classic classic.
    Hopefully ya’ll know, but if you don’t, here is the best song about graffiti in the history of rap.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJXyZeyNuFI

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Sorry JT, it’s just my opinion. Not a fan of UGK. Probably not a popular opinion, but yeah. No disrespect.

  • JTaylor21

    That’s cool I feel ya but name another group that’s head and shoulders better than UGK.

  • MikeC.

    @JTaylor – I misread your earlier post about CB34. I skimmed and saw CB4 instead. Whoopsy doodle.
    @ Bryan Crawford – thanks for the point-out. I dislike when dudes talk random crap, but thoroughly appreciate when people point out mistakes. Journalist, indeed!

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