Friday, September 3rd, 2010 at 12:15 pm  |  26 responses

Sounding Off with San Dova: FOURscore

Super Cool Beas needs a hug, and Melo-for-JJ would’ve been perfect.

by Sandy Dover / @SandmanSeven

Sometimes, I have a lot of thoughts and opinions on some happenings that have occurred in the world of the NBA, but many times, I don’t have the conviction to write 700 words on every singular subject of interest — but I may have a bunch of short bits to communicate en masse, on occasion. And so I’ll be Sounding Off on occasion. Holler.

I find it hilariously stupid of the Atlanta Hawks that they signed up Joe Johnson so quickly for so much money, and now Carmelo Anthony wants to leave the Denver Nuggets and is amenable to a future trade going to Georgia, and that Hawks guard Jamal Crawford (the NBA’s Sixth Man of the Year in ‘09-10) wants out of the A because management won’t lock him up with a contract extension.

All of this would’ve been taken care of had the Hawks let JJ leave Atlanta, something he was prepared to do the season before. I understand that they wanted to keep him, but in doing so, they gave him a deal that makes Orlando Magic forward Rashard Lewis’ Allan Houston-esque contract only slightly more egregious. Imagine if the Hawks would’ve just signed Johnson up for a contract that was comparable to what LeBron James and Chris Bosh got from the Miami Heat, just to set up his ceiling–then, the Hawks could have just sat out for the right deal to come along to acquire a superior player, and then have extended Crawford, someone who is easily to pay and probably a better overall value when it comes to production pairing with payroll. But no, Atlanta gave JJ the “dyn-o-mite” and now may have blown up their ability to move assets that don’t involve Josh Smith or Al Horford. The whole situation seems unconscionable.

Why do American coaches always want to force players into positions where their skills don’t match up? As I watch the FIBA World Championships, I see Yi Jianlian playing as a combo forward for China with great results, I see Sun Yue (Yi’s teammate on China and former ’09 L.A. Laker) play point guard with relative ease, and though Hidayet Turkoglu is not in great shape (*rolling eyes*), he’s moving right along at guard (the position Rick Adelman had him playing much of the time with the Sacramento Kings). A prime example is when former Toronto Raptors head coach Sam Mitchell basically forced 2006 No. 1 overall pick Andrea Bargnani to play center when it was clear that Bargnani was a combo forward. Since then, Bargnani has continued to play center with subtle improvement, but outside of former Raptor Chris Bosh getting most of the burn at power forward, Bargnani was a four as well. I don’t really understand that, and it’s because of that antiquated thinking that I understand why many players of the past lied about their height, because it was obvious that the coaches were going to place them in spots that they were ill-suited to play at.

(Kevin McHale was listed at 6-10 and played mostly power forward, but he was actually 7-1; Scottie Pippen, according to Doug Collins [who is 6-7], is actually three inches taller than Collins, making him about 6-10 as a point guard/small forward; Magic Johnson and Larry Bird were both 6-10 as well [although it didn't hurt Magic positionally] and Bird probably could’ve been a shooting guard had he have been given a choice. It continues today with Kevin Garnett having long been dubbed “6-13″ as an early career small forward, and even Dirk Nowitzki is 7-1 1/2 playing his best rendition of “power forward,” despite being listed officially at “7-0.”)

I guess my point is that it’s great to help bring players into places, skill-wise, where they can use their height to aid in adapting to more conventional methods of playing the game, but many times, it hurts those very players when coaches insist on a player’s height to determine where they are best suited to play, even when they do well with their “unorthodox” skill set. We can only imagine what it would’ve been like to see Ralph Sampson play small forward, where his perimeter skills and length could have really confused some teams and kept him away from the physical play that his body clearly couldn’t take once he reached the NBA. Let’s hope that the New York Knicks don’t stifle Anthony Randolph in the same way.

For all the negative press that Michael Beasley has gotten in the mere two years that he’s been in the League, it’s unfair to say that he’s a true dMichael Beasleyisappointment. Comparing him to his friend Kevin Durant and then looking at his time in Miami, no one can say that he’s really shown his true colors. Think about it — Miami never really wanted him. All throughout the 2008 Draft, the Heat were looking for any reason to take someone else, and it seems as if the Heat treated him as the class dunce. Mind you, Beas erred with his occasional marijuana usage, but if anyone needed a hug instead a hard stance, it was Beasley. He needed the teaching and discipline that Pat Riley was staunch about, but he also needed the “royal jelly” that trainer/coach David Thorpe speaks of — he needed the encouragement to flourish and the confidence from his coaches and front office to really be at his best. I have no problem with the Heat making Beas earn his playing time, but for as versatile and talented as he is, locking him up in finite places on the court could have hurt his prowess as a scorer and rebounder and overall confident player.

If Minnesota Timberwolves GM David Kahn has done anything, it’s showing that he at least believes in his young players, and I’m confident that because Super Cool Beas knows the organization has his back, he’ll do well. I have a hunch that one day sooner rather than later, Riley & Co. are going to regret sending Beas away so early, because history may also show that they were too hard on the young man just trying to figure out how to get comfortable with the new lifestyle. The Heat are as responsible for Beasley’s “disappointing” time in the League as he is.

Sandy Dover is a novelist/writer, artist and fitness enthusiast, as well as an unyielding Prince fan (for real). You can find Sandy frequently here at SLAMonline, as well as at Facebook and Twitter.

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  • T-Money

    Your position is who you can defend, not what you can do on the offensive end necessarily (unless you’re a supremely talented player and your coah is willing to cross-match for you, i.e., Magic or AI). Yi and Bargnani can’t stay with the LeBrons and the Melos and the Gays of this world. Hedo can’t stay with he Kobes and Wades. They actually tried Bargnani at the the 3 when JO and CB4 were on the Raptors and it was a disaster.

  • Tyler

    Cosign T-Money

  • http://sdjkflf.com Jukai

    Co-sign Tyler

  • JalepinoSausage

    Kosine Jukai & Myself …

  • total scrotal implosion

    Mchale was not 7 1, thats how tall the chief was and mchale was clearly a lil shorter. Pip was not 6 10. Bird n magic were 6 9. Kg is def at least 7 1, and dirk is 7 0. There was an all star pic in slam around 05 or so with kg dirk and tim standing in line, tim n dirk were even and kg was taller, and he was slouchn a lil

  • MikeC.

    NBA media guides are notorious for not reporting actual heights. Jordan was listed at 6’6″, and Barkley was listed at 6’4″, but if you look at pics of the original Dream Team, there’s a shot of Jordan and Barkley standing side by side, and Charles is at least 2 inches taller than MJ, and Chris Mullin (listed at 6’7″), is shorter than both. In the same pic, Pip and Drexler are side by side, and Pip (listed at 6’7″), is at least 2-3 inches taller than Drex (also listed at 6’7″). From now on, we should just agree that these guys are all officially “tall”, and forget height measurements.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/san-dova-speak-easy/ San Dova

    TOTAL SCROTAL > Re-read. I wrote the listed heights, but if you talk to insiders, they’ll let you know that these guys are taller in many instances than their listed measurements. Robert Parish was usually listed at 7-0, but even he was taller than that. I’m not even going to argue about that.

    MIKE C. > Agreed, sir.

  • total scrotal implosion

    Whats to argue sandy? We both agree chief was taller than 7. And mchale was a lil shorter. If u honestly believe pip was 6 10, u need to slap urself. He was 6 7 maybe 6 8. 91 finals, he was clearly shorter than magic. Chuck was 6 5 maybe, he was not taller than mike.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/san-dova-speak-easy/ San Dova

    TOTAL SCROTAL > Doug Collins said that Pip was a good 2-3 inches taller. Michael was measured one time at 6’6 3/4″, and Barkley is definitely 6’4 1/2″.

  • http://sdjkflf.com Jukai

    Holy cow… BARKLEY IS NOT 6’4
    Why does that rumor keep coming back around?
    There are mugshot photos of Barkley, STANDING NEXT TO A HEIGHT CHART, in a jail where DOCUMENTING THESE THINGS IS A POLICY, and Barkley is clearly 6’7, maybe a little taller.
    I mean, this picture is very easy to find on the internet. It’s not doctored.
    The fact that you claim Barkley is 6’4 obliterates any argument you have. And I’ve shook Pippen’s hand in real life. I’m 6’3. Pippen is nowhere near seven inches taller than me. Who do you believe, Doug Collins, or the NBA staff with the tape measurer?

  • http://sdjkflf.com Jukai

    http://www.eurthisnthat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/charles-barkley.jpg
    Do you think the police made him standup on an apple box before they snapped this picture? Do you think Barkley was standing on his tippie toes?
    http://www.stilettosetsports.com/wp-content/uploads/barkley-pippen.jpg
    If Pippen is 6’10, then Barkley is 6’10. And Barkley’s crouching in that photo, he must be damn near seven feet.
    Truth be told, both were around the same height, maybe Pippen with an inch on the dude.
    But making up

  • Hussman25

    I gave a pound on the side that’s brown to Nate Robinson and Mugsy Bogues and I gotta say…..both of them are pretty short!

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    Re Johnson: Too many ‘ifs’. Who knew this Melo thing was gonna play out? Whos to say JJ would have re-signed for so much less? Either way, its going to be a murderous contract in 2 or 3 years.

    The ‘Barkley at 6’4′ is a myth. It was one of those things that kinda became gospel over time when referring to him as an undersized PF. I think someone just said, hey he’s like 6’4 and gets the job done there. And it stuck. Even though its untrue. And no way Pippen is 6’10.

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    I agree that Beasley was never given a chance, and I hope he comes up big, but with the team Miami put together after shipping him off, I doubt they’ll be regretting it “sooner” if at all.

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    Never given a chance? Wtf? He started 78 out of 78 games last season on a team screaming out for offensive production.

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    people talk all the mess they want about Kahn, I got all the respect in the world for him supporting Michael Beasley like he’s done

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    Beasley just never had his head screwed on correctly….and Miami is probably one of the worst NBA cities to live in without your head on right. A lot of off-court issues, lot of drama, that mixed with all the pressure, and it was obvious he wasn’t devoted to playing basketball, nor was he having any fun doing it. As a fan from his KState days I always remember dude cheezing like a kid in a candy store on court, I can’t ever recall any such emotion in his short NBA career. I wish the young man all the best, God Willing we’ll see the B-Easy we remember

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Miami wanted Beasley to play defense. He was indifferent. So, since he wasn’t Dwayne Wade, the coach wasn’t going to let him slacking on defense, and settling for long jumpers, slide. Plus, he likes getting high. Those were his problems, no more, no less.
    There is no way in hell Larry Bird could have guarded two guards. Period. He played power forwards because those are the only cats he had the footspeed to keep up with.
    Joe Johnson probably wouldn’t have signed with Atlanta for less than the max, to be honest. Maybe they should have let him walk then, but to assume that he would have taken a pay cut like Bosh, Lebron and Wade did is dishonest.

  • Seven Duece

    Pip was a shade over 6’7″, Barkley might have topped out at 6’6″ in full length max’s, and Beasley is slightly over 6’8″ as well. That being said, skill level trumps height anytime (well it should) and B-Easy’s game isn’t polished enough to warrant people’s claim of him getting shafted.

  • http://aspov.blogspot.com Cheryl

    Beasley’s a guy, IMO, who has decent ability but no desire to work on his game. I think stuff came a bit “easy” to him and he couldn’t handle the expectations of coaches and teammates. I wish him well in Mini, there won’t be the same pressures as there were in Miami. We should see this season if he has the fire.

  • http://yahoo ddub

    Its silly to think Ralph Sampson could haave played the 2spot or small forward because his legs would not have held up to all that running at that position,really, he was out of position playing thee four next to yhe dream?

  • http://slamonline.com JL

    do they take off the shoes at mugshots or not? well, according to yahoo answers, it varies by county and police department, and some don’t even make u stand in front of a height chart.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100307052919AA0wP6q

    Agree with Allenp. Beaseley’s problem is getting high. If he doesn’t think the microseconds (or seconds even) of reaction time is important in an NBA game (especially defense where reaction is what you’re doing), then he deserves to flop as a pro. Stop smoking weed and u can buy all the weed you want after ur pro career. better yet quit and never go back to it. live a more alert life and feel better with problems by solving them, not smoking them away.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    JL, two problems with whatever point you were trying to make:
    1- there WAS a height chart… since it was in the background
    2- If Barkley has shoes or not, how much does it matter? He was going to get a BJ, not play a pickup game, so he wasn’t wearing his two-inch high tops.

  • ab40

    I’ve seen guys listed 6-11 watch em straight in the eye and I’m 6-8 nba and us listings in general don’t go together with the truth. And while the bomb is gonna explode with K Love not getting minutes but Darko is a better 5 and Beasley is a more versitale 4.

  • ivory

    I just hate when people think Beasley doesnt care or has a bad work ethic because neither of the two are true. Never once did I hear or read any coach he’s had say he’s lazy or has a terrible work ethic. His former coach Erik Spolestra said Beasley was a gym rat and was the earliest to come and the last one to leave the gym working on his game. People just like to write him off because of the overblown rehab/weed stint that was planned in advance due to his rookie yr. violation. Too many people say he doesnt care but thats bull because he said himself basketball is his life. He has plenty of people to take care of epecially his family, so I dont think he wouldnt care about his job knowing that he’s doing something he loves and giving people a roof to live under. His demeanor is calm and chill and thats how he’s always been. I dont understand why there was sooo much hate spewed towards him in the 2yrs he was in the league. He wasnt really given a fair chance in miami since all they cared about was winning at the time which was pointless knowing that they werent going to get passed the 1st round. This yr. with Beasley he will improve alot of his game where he was weak at and show people how good he really his.

  • lazaruz

    yes height is a disadvantage as well as positive. being a tall person myself, being asked if i play basketball? then saying i have the height for it is demorolizing. i dont put the work in for that, i put it in for respect. if i was 5’5 i wouldnt have had all the injuries, all the growing pains, id be naturally quicker, lower center of gravity, stronger etc etc. years of overtraining would have probably came with positive results had i not grown. now being 6’10 barefoot im thrown into the post by coaches even though my skillset is versatile enough for anywere on the court, my idol growing up was skip, hot sauce and professor. thats what my game is. coaches dont seem to wanna see it though. so im just disrespected by other people as another basketball player because hes “tall”. not my love for the game. im throwing it out here but if i was 1 foot shorter than what i am now, i would be just as good as i am today — d1 college good.

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