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Monday, September 13th, 2010 at 9:30 am  |  250 responses

Team USA Wins; LeBron loses?

by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

Now that Team USA has finally re-conquered the World Championship tourney — following a 16-year drought — and that Kevin Durant is suddenly everyone’s darling, it’s apparently time to re-visit LeBron James’ summer of shame.

Or something.

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo!, who makes sport of critiquing LeBron, argues that LBJ could’ve benefited greatly from playing in Turkey (though the team wasn’t necessarily unhappy to not have him):

For all the mistakes LeBron made this summer, perhaps his biggest was failing to believe he needed Team USA far more than it needed him. That Olympic gold medal was far more about Kobe Bryant and Wade two years ago, and James still never has taken a team that belonged to him and won a title. He needed the work for his leadership and image. “It’s been said that LeBron could’ve benefitted here this summer,” USA Basketball managing director Jerry Colangelo said. “But it was never a consideration.”

Team USA wouldn’t have turned away James, but privately they’ll all tell you it’s been a relief to have him tweeting from 5,000 miles away. This hasn’t been the United States’ most talented team, only the most pleasurable to be around. With Durant and Chauncey Billups, two gentlemen and pros as the leaders, it’s no wonder. No one misses LeBron barking at cafeteria workers to give him eggs or throwing his sweaty jersey on the floor and barking at officials to pick it up.

Durant has had the quietest, most understated summer of all. He signed his max contract extension and scooped everyone with a gleeful proclamation on Twitter. When James was hosting parties in Vegas, Durant was practicing with Team USA in the afternoons and his own trainers in the evening. When the Miami Heat walked out on a smoke-filled stage in South Florida, preening, declaring themselves perhaps the greatest threesome since the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, Durant watched it all out of the corner of his eye – “The Decision,” the parties, the self-congratulations – and kept coming for them in the gymnasium, and now, here in Istanbul at the world championships.

Right. So, LeBron James is a jerk and Kevin Durant is everything that’s right with sports, and the world. Glad we got that sorted out.

Regardless of what takes place next season, the torrent of criticism will continue to rain down on LeBron. It’s now simply a matter of who can sound the most ridiculous while doing it.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Kevin was great….beyond great even. The team accomplished a really good goal. Why can’t the focus remain on that? Lebron, Wade, Kobe, etc. won a Gold medal two years ago. That’s what American’s want….the FIBA title means little to anyone besides basketball pundits and foreign players. I’m not sure what other asinine things are going to be brought up about Lebron’s apparently horrible summer, but if you’re going to put Durant over Lebron in discussion of best player of the game, that must also mean he is head and shoulders the best player in the Western Conference too.

  • JoeMaMa

    I’m sorry, I have no idea what this article is about. I’m currently captivated/awed by the size of LeBron James’ jaw. It’s really big. What a spectacularly large set of mandibles.

  • Love4Humanity

    The team didn’t need LeBron and they won’t in 2012 either. Leave him and his ego at home. Kobe, Durant, Wade, Rose, Howard, Bosh, CP3, Gordon/Westbrook, Gay, Iguodala. That’s the team that they need to take in 2012. Colangelo was hesitant about inviting Bron in 08 and he doesn’t need him anymore with the emergence of Durant. He can do almost everything LeBron can do and he’s only 21. No ego. No commercials. No TV specials. Durant is right on LeBron’s heels as the second best player in the league behind Kobe.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    This article irks me. There was nothing to gain from a journalistic POV, but there was a significant amount to loose. Why throw salt? Just give the men who WERE there, their due… And leave it at that.

  • erich

    STOP.
    As a player Kevin still has to do a lot to come close to LeBron.
    He may be the better person but not basketball player.

  • Tupack Shakur

    Slam gives their writers a lot of freedom…which is good. But what’s up with articles like these? Literally more than half of the words were someone else’s.

  • The Philosopher

    They marvel AND wonder about his every move.
    They hang on his every word.
    They look to him for the good story, even if it has nothing to do with him.
    He is the greatest basketball player on Earth.
    People who once were considered top tier professionals are now mere gentiles, for The King has made it so.
    Men losing their dignity and prestige in front of the masses in the wake of the kingdom of… LeBron.
    Who has the clout?
    Who possesses the influence?
    Who yields the absolute power over the basketball mass?
    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!!
    He exposes

  • Martey

    This is just BS. Another reason to add Lebron’s name to an article and generate a gazillion comments. There were over 500 NBA players that “missed” the opportunity.. Here’s hoping there’s another Lebron vs Kobe debate in the comment section because those are always factual and objective. And by the way Hope everyone’s noticing Kevin Durant being placed on the good guy pedestal only to be dropkicked whenever he is revealed to be a human being in the near future.

  • Love4Humanity

    Give it up Philosopher. Your worship of LeBron is comical. You talk about him as if you’re talking about Jesus.

  • Robert

    Obviously, this article was written with a very biased opinion. But come on SLAM, “Right. So, LeBron James is a jerk and Kevin Durant is everything that’s right with sports, and the world. Glad we got that sorted out.” get over yourself a little bit here. You guys ride certain guys way too hard, LeBron being one of them. The criticism he is getting isn’t unwarranted. Durant had an incredible summer and conducted himself as a professional. Very hard to say the same about James. Durant is just getting the recognition he deserves. But hey, I’m sure I’ll be seeing LeBron on your magazines cover 48190486 times this year. Can’t wait..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Love4Humanity….that little yellow bus is about to leave you at the corner, better hurry up!!!!!

  • The Philosopher

    Continuing on “he exposes”.
    He exposes many a people for what they really are:
    Hateful.
    Prideful.
    Jealous.
    Envious.
    One can imagine that many people wish Kobe was 5 years younger.
    Even if he was…
    He NEVER had it like this.
    And, The King hasn’t even been accused of breaking any laws.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    *AWESOME – Philosopher waxing lyrical about his man Le. Bron. ‘The Bron in French’…
    * Eboys comment , the first on this thread will be the most pertinant, accurate and valuable comment here, followed closely by this one. And we’ll still hit the 115 mark.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    cosign Hursty

  • rich

    i dont think lebron is a better or worse person, he just is more alpha-male and emotional. ref makes kd mad he says f-u and calls it a day, but it just gets under lebron’s skin and these feelings motivate him. the one thing that really impresses me aboutt kd is how he can put up these ridiculous numbers without doing things that the ref cant see(see kobe, cp3, ai)to get an advantage

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    So let me get this right…Durant is now better than Kobe?

  • whoooo!

    it totally makes sense though, dunno why everyone’s hating so badly. yes, a lot of ppl skipped out, but given the flood of criticism from how Lebron handled his ‘decision’, playing for Team USA would’ve forced ppl to cheer him on. you can’t root against your country, and bringing back gold would’ve added to the ‘Lebron is amazing’ talk we’re used to normally reading about. again, it’s not about blaming Lebron for not playing, cuz Chris Paul, Kobe, etc skipped too – but none of them would’ve gained from this summer. the only one who would’ve is Lebron. think about the lovefest Durant gets for his play this summer, and think how that would’ve applied to a vindicated Lebron.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    That’s how all this talk is beginning to sound.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Not to take anything away from Durant but he had guys 6’2 guarding him. The lakers exposed him last year by putting a big physical player on him. I’m not ready to put this guy into the same level as Bryant/Wade/Lebron. Don’t buy into the ESPN hype yet people. He is a helluva a shooter though which helps in FIBA play if you are 6’11.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Can anyone explain how this guy has surpassed Lebron and Kobe? Because of FIBA play where Kleiza and Scola looked like superstars?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Is anyone on this site that easy to be persuaded by ESPN and Fran Franschillas man-crush on Durant? This has to be a joke.

  • http://www.slamonline.com peter

    So Durant (angel) vs. Lebron (devil) is the new Lebron (angel) vs. Kobe (devil)?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    All I could think of as I watched the tournament is that KD shoots college threes better than anyone I’ve ever seen. Oh..and that Derrick Rose better not try to become a three-point shooter.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Basically David Stern has moved onto Durant as the poster child for the modern NBA age. Kobe doesn’t speak to anyone, LeBron doesn’t shake hands with anyone and Nash doesn’t win (when it counts).

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    Wojnarowski made the point that LBJ has never taken a team that belonged to him to a title (I suppose he is excluding HS). This is a key point that adds to the divide between LBJ “Haters” and loyal fans. Fans don’t seem to care or think that matters in regards to his standing in the league and in the history of the NBA, “Haters” see it as a short coming that is magnified by his supposed place in the NBA hierarchy. Unfortunately for LeBron this isn’t going away any time soon, as even if the Heat win a title (or multiple titles) over the next few years, most will continue to view Miami as Wade’s team.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Durant is going to get to the NBA finals and stop the Heat from winning a chip, or Dan Gilbert will die trying…

  • JoeMaMa

    I hate Kobe, LeBron, Durant, my friends, my parents, myself. I know we’re not yet there for this thread, but I thought I could skip straight to it. Ding?

  • The Philosopher

    I agree with Kap on many points.

  • The Philosopher

    Eboy:
    Better than Chris Mullin?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    In two seasons, when Dwyane Wade is over the 30 year age barrier and Lebron is just entering his late 20′s (27), there will be NO QUESTION that the Miami Heat will be Lebron’s team with Dwyane as the elder spokesman for the squad. Believe that.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I agree with Eboy…Durant dominated the competition because of his shooting and Westbrook looked light years better than Rose in this tournament with his defense, shooting, and driving ability. However, I’m still trying to figure out what people are smoking if they believe Durant is now the best player in the world. I keep mentioning this because I am so shocked how dumb people are.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Better than Chris Mullin and The Greatest Shooter In The History of Basketball, JJ Redick. What was his 3 point percentage in the tournament? It had to be 50% or higher.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Kevin Durant was the best player in the world…..in the FIBA Tournament.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    But again, he’s basically shooting college threes.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I will always be Wade’s team IMO because he is the better clutch player and he recruited the guys there. He’s also more fun to watch in my opinion than Lebron because his offensive game is more complete.

  • The Philosopher

    46% in the tournament, Eboy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    This season is going to change a lot of people’s opinions, even if they aren’t big enough to verbalize it.

  • The Philosopher

    Kap:
    As many players get older, they lose a lot of their clutch.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I had to put my TV on mute because Fran Franschilla would not stay off of Durants genital region.

  • T-Money

    ”but privately they’ll all tell you it’s been a relief to have him tweeting from 5,000 miles away” really? with the way colangelo was sweating him all year to commit to the worlds, i find that hard to believe. wojo is an otherwise excellent journalist but his disdain for all things lebron has made him look foolish at times this summer. he’s reaching for every single angle at this point. it’s also a bit dishonest to imply that bron was partying in vegas while kd was working on his game. you could also write that while james was working out EVERY SINGLE DAY, kd was hosting parties in DC and talking ish on mixtapes. both statements would be equally misleading.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    30 is not as old as people perceive it to be especially with Wade and Bryant being in better shape than a majority of the league. I don’t see Kobe losing any of his clutch ability and I don’t expect Wade to lose any either.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    J – thanks
    Kap – Luis Scola has always played well on the International stage. Against the US too. He’s the focal point for Argentina, not so for Houston. Brooks, Martin and Yao were all equal/ahead of him on offense last year/previous years. Ariza and Landry also got shots ahead of Luis at times last year. He still finished with 16 and 8 though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    46%? That’s all? Damn…he must have just heated up in the last three games, cause it seemed like he barely missed from there.

  • http://thosefishtacosarethetits.blogspot.com Boston_Blogg3r

    Kevin Durant is no joke, and Lebron is a diva. Aside from that, the Heat will have to go through Boston and the Thunder will have to go through the Lakers in order for either team to lift a banner next fall.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Even I can’t understand bringing Lebron into this conversation. Just to get more hits on his piece? It makes no sense, hate might be justified in certain cases, but this is not one of them. The focus should be on the staggering play of Durant, including his marked improvement ball handling and passing. He’s coming for that MVP award this year.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @ Hursty…I was making a point because I hear people saying Durant is the best in the world because he dominated FIBA play but Scola was much better. It was a rhetorical statement making an analogy between Durant being the best in the world and he was not even the most impressive in the tournament. I know how good Scola is but he is no superstar in the NBA.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    poor Granger. didnt get much burn in this tourney..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Kap….Lebron is a natural distributor, unlike most guys the league has ever seen. He will be putting up unreal numbers to start and through the culture the Heat will supply him as well as playing with top-flight teammates, his hold on the team will be an eventual thing, not a maybe one. They are already expectant of him being the focal point each night. Dwyane wouldn’t have been good with the idea of him coming here unless he knew he was going to sacrifice the title of “my” team. The reason? Lebron’s talent.

  • The Philosopher

    ^^Truth is beautiful, to me…

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Better ball handling & better passing? Durant turned the ball over alot throughout the tournament because of bad passes and I’m pretty sure his ball handling looks great against non-NBA guys. I’m not hating on the guy but people are overhyping what he did. The truth is he got hot from 3 in the quarterfinals and it carried over all the way to the championship. However, I do love his game and the way he carries himself on and off the court.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I agree with what you are saying but it cannot be completely his “team” if Wade will be depended on to take the last shot.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    In the games I watched he looked improved, but you seem to be the expert on all things FIBA so I will defer to your obviously superior knowledge on the subject.

  • The Philosopher

    Was Cleveland Damon Jones’s team?

  • The Philosopher

    Oh.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Kap, I think Dwyane will be thankful that he won’t have to be the only option to take a last second shot any longer. Don’t think for a minute that Lebron’s confidence won’t skyrocket knowing that HE won’t have to do everything for his squad anymore either. Again…this is why the Heat went all in for these two guys. It’s a fuc*ing no-brainer having two of the three best players in the league on one squad, both of whom are unselfish and at the top of their games. There will be no heirarchy battle, these dudes are going to be gunning for everybody that spoke sh*t about them all summer. And no it won’t be easy (as Boston Blogger pointed out)but that’s the way it should be right?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Bryan…I definitely did not intend to offend you with my comment. All of what I say is my personal opinion and I am in no way trying to convince you to believe what I believe. I hate FIBA so I’m definitely not an expert even though I know your statement was sarcasm.

  • vtrobot

    Yeah, all I was thinking about while watching those games was LeBron James. Huh? I’d only like to bring up Kobe indirectly by saying that I really hope the Lakers and the Thunders meet in the playoffs again next year. Yeah, too many sports writers with too much “reporting” that they need to submit to their editors. Congratulations to Team USA, and especially KD. Dude was quite the offensive force. Start the season!

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Eboy the real test is going to be after losing a few close games. We won’t really know anything until that happens. It’s easy for everyone to star in a buddy cop movie until the adversity scene.

  • The Philosopher

    There will be nights where Chris Bosh gets to glory too, in a heroic last second moment, or two.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    I don’t think this performance vaults Durant over Kobe or LeBron in any arena other than public perception. He still needs to continue to prove himself at the NBA level by advancing in the playoffs. BTW, is Slam doing its annual Top 50 Rankings? I hope so, it would be interesting to see where things would fall after the last five months. I’d say 1. Kobe 2. LeBron 3. KD, but would love to see Slam’s opinion and rationale.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I mean if they lose a game and Lebron or Wade feels like they could have made the right play but the other one kept the ball I think it might be a problem.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    ^ Please, bro.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    You don’t think that would have any impact for real? If Lebron makes a bad decision and costs them a game you don’t think Wade would be a little put off thinking that the deciding play belongs to him? I’m not saying it would fracture the team , but a little chirping ? I think it’s a possibility. These guys are not as egoless as you’re making them out to be, best friends or not they have their egos , rather large ones and it’s going to interesting to see how they’re managed.

  • T-Money

    Let me preface what I’m about to say by mentioning that KD is a killer and is second to none as far as putting the ball in the basket. But some analysts WANT him to become the best so bad that they’re glossing over some of his shortcomings. Skip Bayless said that he has already displayed clutch genes similar to Kobe and MJ. Unh? Didn’t we see him throw airballs from 25 feet on at least two occasions this year when he was isolated with the game on the line. Kenny Smith said that he proved he had “it” against the Lakers. Are we talking about the guy that shot 35% and had more TOs than assists? Again, KD is a bad, bad man. But Kobe and LeBron are (still) in another league.

  • Ali

    Congrats TEAM USA 2010! Let’s get it in 2012!

  • AT33

    Durant is good but long way from being better than LeBron, Kobe or Wade.. he’s close though, at lease to Wade and Kobe, LeBron is just in a whole other level.. if not Jordan level then close to it.
    Westbrook is better than DRose.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    KD achieved (lead USA) something great. But not overwhelming to the point that he’s now better than Lebron.. no. Is he a better shooter? Yeah. But. thats. just. about. it. Lebron is at everything else… On the “who’s team is it” lets put it like this Lebron is Magic, Wade is Kareem.. Its not that its already Magic’s team on his first year. But its already shared. And not all game winners are put on Kareem’s hands right?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    T-Money is on the money.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    For once what you’re saying is semi reasonable so I’ll try and keep it civil. His shooting in the playoffs was poor to say the least, but his ability to get to the line made him a threat, also contributing in other areas besides the scoring column , grabbing 19 boards in one game, blocking 4 shots in another. I don’t know that he displayed any “clutch genes” but as far as skill level he’s better on offense than nearly everyone in the league. At 21 he’s proving he has leadership POTENTIAL, taking over in FIBA is not exactly the same as taking over in the NBA, but he did it and he led the team to victory in a high pressure environment. After the jump he made last year and the improvement I believe he showed this summer, the next leap is into the upper tier of the league (Kobe, Lebron, Durant). And with Lebron’s numbers suffering, and Kobe “being past his prime” KD is the next logical choice for MVP. If his scoring and rebounding numbers somehow get better and his team again wins 50 or more games, the league is his for the taking.

  • CoachK

    If you replaced Durant with Lebron in his tournament, i’m convinced the US would have lost. Durant is a better FIBA player than anyone in the USA, judging on his performance and the way he flat out scored so efficiently(what else are you going off of?)

    Lebron would definitely be great as a defender and rebounder, but in 2012, when the US needs to score, he better give up the ball to Durant and get the f**k out the way.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Yawn. When does the season start?

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I still think Kobe is the best in the league when he healthy just for the record.

  • LA Huey

    LeBron is a jerk for not returning. The other 11 cats from the 2008 team are gentlemen and scholars… This author couldn’t even wait a week before writing this garbage? At least give this 2010 team an article and congratulate them.

  • lebronking

    They marvel AND wonder about his every move.
    They hang on his every word.
    They look to him for the good story, even if it has nothing to do with him.
    He is the greatest basketball player on Earth.
    People who once were considered top tier professionals are now mere gentiles, for The King has made it so.
    Men losing their dignity and prestige in front of the masses in the wake of the kingdom of… LeBron.
    Who has the clout?
    Who possesses the influence?
    Who yields the absolute power over the basketball mass?
    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Well…this WAS a decent conversation.

  • Ali

    I think alot of us forget Durantula is only 21!!! 21 fellaz…Hahaha…3-4 years removed from College and H.S. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND….

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    Co-sign @T-Money

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Just because someone is 21 and has potential out this world does not make them the best right now. Kobe and Lebron were quite impressive at 21. I remember Kobe taking over in the Finals against the Pacers in OT when Shaq fouled out to win a freaking NBA championship at age 21.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Yeeeaaah… I won’t be coming here again after October 5th (2K11) until the season starts. This is stupid.

  • Mr. Robinson

    I’ll knock Kobe’s punk, non rappin’ ass out!
    I’ll knock out Joe’s punk a$$ too!

  • T-Money

    Did it only make sense because you somewhat agreed? / Given the aforementioned circumstances, he’s also my favourite to win the MVP (unless MIA wins 70 games, which is possible but unlikely). However, that doesn’t mean he’d be in the same conversation as Kobe and LeBron. Dirk won an MVP, Nash has 2… they’re great players but no one in their right mind has ever called them the best. It feels odd nitpicking about such a tremendous young talent. Let’s see if OKC makes the leap this year, it’s at least 2nd round or bust.

  • Mr. Robinson

    Yo schneezy
    see if you got Chris Childs throwin’ a 2 piece 2 kobe’s glass jaw and bird chest!!!!

  • LA Huey

    co-sign T-Money @ 11:43

  • Love4Humanity

    Eboy and Philosopher are both yes men type of people. Whatever LeBron does, they’re all over him as if they know him personally. If one would be objective and not let their personal feelings get in the way, they would admit that Kobe is still way ahead of LeBron in terms of skill and clutch. Durant is way ahead of LeBron in character. Wade is ahead of LeBron in winning capability. There is a reason why LeBron was close to not being invited to the 08 Olympics. There is a reason why Derrick Rose wasn’t mad that LeBron didn’t come to Chicago. There is a reason why no one was trying to go to Cleveland to play with LeBron. Notice that Wade and Bosh were already in Miami, LeBron was the last to sign on. So we have yet to hear about anyone really begging to be able to play with LeBron. There is a good reason for this. Great player, yes. Great leader, no. None of these things I’ve mentioned can be argued against. So let’s hear the usual “LeBron is KING” comments from Philosopher. And the usual load of bull from Eboy.

  • ENDS

    As much as I disliked LeBrons summer of Shame there really is no need to bring it up here anymore, especially not for this

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Co-sign ENDS.

  • MIlly Perez

    I dont understand why the hateful vitriol. Lebron wan’t the only one to not play with team USA 2010. Not one single team member from the 2008 Olympics team played this summer. Why only single out Lebron. Why so much the hatred! The 2008 Olympics is a team sport and everyone on the team participated and everyone won the GOLD! It was not Kobe’s team or Wade’s team or Carmelo’s Team – IT WAS TEAM USA. Stop the hatred! Its evil and ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!

  • The Philosopher

    @Love4Humanity:
    Do you remember when no one wanted to play with Kobe?
    You state that Durant is a better man than The King in terms of character. You also state that Eboy and I act like we personally know The King.
    How do you know that Durant has better character than The King?
    Do you know Durant?
    Oh.
    Are you being hypocritical with that statement?
    Also, The King is a better rebounder, passer and shot blocker than Kobe.
    Derrick Rose wanted his “own” team, no?
    Cleveland is undesirable, no?
    Joakim Noah said it was.
    Other people have said the same thing, too.
    And, no one is begging to play with Kobe… even WHILE he’s winning.

  • T-Money

    Love4Humanity: “Durant is way ahead of LeBron in character.” I don’t even know what that means. / You’re making A LOT of assumptions here based on rumors and anonymous sources. I’m ready to talk basketball, quite frankly.

  • MIlly Perez

    This comment is for “Love 4 humanity” DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW LEBRON. WERE YOU HIS TEAMMATE,BESTFRIEND OR FAMILY MEMEBR? WHO ARE YOU YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW LEBRON? WHAT I SEE IS THAT THERE ARE ALOT OF WHITE PEOPLE HATING ON AN EXCEPTIONALLY TALENTED BLACK MAN. THESE WHITE PEOPLE (SOME UNCLE TOM BLACKS)WANT TO DESTROY LEBRON. NOT BECAUSE HE IS A BAD PERSON BUT BECAUSE HE IS A GOOD PERSON.LOOK AROUND YOU BAD PEOPLE ARE GLORIFIED NOT VILIFIED. BAD PEOPLE NOBODY EVER COMPLAINS ABOUT. STOP THE RACIST VITRIOL AND LEAVE THAT MAN ALONE AND LET HIM PLAY BASKETBALL. PEACE OUT!!!!!!!

  • The Philosopher

    @Luv4…
    I’m probably beating a dead horse, but…
    Tell me, in a million years, how many of those years can you say that Kobe would be a better point guard than The King?
    How about a better small forward than The King?
    How about a better power forward than The King?
    Whom do you think would hold their own more adequately as a center, even if on offense, Kobe or The King???
    Kobe is not better than The… KING.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    @ Philosopher, I read L4H’s paragraph about Lebron; even though this shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion anymore. While I’m not a fan of Kobe’s behavior, he wasn’t even mentioned in L4H’s arguing statement. So what are you talking about?

  • Ronald

    I’m a big Lebron critic, but how come we never heard about the whole Lebron isn’t a good person/teammate to be around? I thougt it was always, he’s a great teammate blah blah blah? I call BS on Woj, seeing how this is the guy who got annoyed about the whole NFL players doing the solidarity salute thing. If Lebron was such an ass to be around how come we didn’t hear about before he became Public Enemy No.1?

  • Love4Humanity

    Philosopher, Matt Barnes and Ron Artest both wanted to play with Kobe and now they are. Artest has a championship ring to show for it. Kobe’s not a point guard so there’s no need for him to try to be one. Kobe’s not a small forward so there’s no need for him to try to be one. He’s not a power forward either lol. He doesn’t need to guard centers, that’s what other centers are for. So none of those arguments are relevant at all. Kobe’s a shooting guard.
    T-Mobile, my statements were not based on rumors. LeBron has an ESPN special and disrespects Cleveland on national tv announcing his “Decision”. Kevin Durant simply tweets it and keeps it moving. LeBron refers to himself as King James. Durant doesn’t even refer to himself let alone in third person. LeBron shouts and yells at restaurant workers in Beijing (Yahoo Sports article written a few days ago, check it out). Kevin Durant is a quiet kid who just wants to play ball and win. What other evidence do you need?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    ^This guys back….must half been half a day.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    man the hate is crazy here lol.. kinda fun to read honestly

  • Love4Humanity

    Milly, relax, take the caps lock off of your computer and sit down somewhere. No one even mentioned race and it’s irrelevant in this situation. This isn’t about LeBron’s race, it’s about how he has been carrying himself since the end of the season. They’ll let anyone buy a computer these days….smh.

  • LA Huey

    @L4H, Barnes and Artest are both mentally disturbed. Them wanting to play for you is not exactly a ringing endorsement. Also, Matt Barnes is way overrated (he’s a 7th man, at best)

  • Chi-Town Stand Up

    All of you Lebron stans are hilarious! Lets base these comparisons on their first 3 years in the league! Lebron and KD are 2 totally different type of players! Lebron is not clutch or a natural born leader regardless of what many of you might believe! Yeah Lebron has a gold medal, but he owes that to his new teammate D-Wade and Kobe! Lebron doesn’t possess the killer instinct to smell a championship in his grasp to completely take over 3 straight games and win! Thats ehy he had to settle for a bronze medal after his 3rd year in the league while KD went out and took the Gold medal! KD already has a scoring title also! There is no substitute for winning! Winners make adjustments while losers act bitter and salty because they weren’t good enough to get it done! I bet KD won’t run from OKC just because he has to deal with the Lakers every season if he wants to win a ring! Jordan never ran from the Bulls just cause they lost 3 straight years in the Conference finals to the Bad Boy Pistons! Thats why D-Wade didn’t run away from Miami even though his team didn’t advance past the 1st round 2 straight years! Stop making excuses for Lebron, and realize that he’s just as talented as players in the past like Karl Malone, and Barkley, and Reggie Miller! Only Reggie was definitely more clutch than Lebron will ever be! Some players just aren’t meant to win regardless of how good your “Talents” are! KD is the real deal an evryone will get to see this season! I’m rooting for OKC…except for opening night when they play against my Bulls!

  • T-Money

    Despite what Wojo would like everyone to believe, I have never ever heard any NBA player say that Bron is not a good teammate. Even Larry Hugues swears by him even if he hated his time in Cleveland (mostly because of the offensive schemes). I seriously have no clue where Wojo gets his info on Bron being a cancer in the locker room… I mean, Shaq (of all people) refused to take shots at him when the media was begging him to do so a couple of weeks ago. There must be a back story between Wojo and Bron.

  • Love4Humanity

    LA, Ron Artest and Matt Barnes are now important pieces of a team that will most likely win two or three more championships. Matt Barnes and Kobe got into it pretty seriously during a game last season, but Matt respects Kobe and vice versa. Kobe helped to convince him to join the Lakers at a lower salary than he could have gotten elsewhere….Kevin Durant and the Thunder will be formidable opponents for the Heat as the years go by. That’s why people should hold on with the Dynasty comments regarding the Heat.

  • Nomad33

    The article is written from a biased perspective but it was still good. He could have concentrated more on giving the USA team more props for winning the World Championship without their most talented team. But as far as the Lebron criticism I believe the media and people are going overboard. The media and people have hyped Lebron up since he was in 10th grade and because he doesn’t make the choice we feel that he should have made, we are calling him every bad name in the book. As a Laker fan I remember two separate instances when we called Kobe selfish and a team killer but he changed his image in three years. As far as Durant being better than Lebron. There is no way. His supporting cast is better than Lebron’s has ever been and he just made it into the playoffs this year. The one time Lebron went to the Finals that team wouldn’t make the playoffs with Durant as their star, much less the Finals. Durant is a very good player but he has to win some games and put up numbers on the big stage.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    This guy truly is a fu*king idiot. Holy Chri*t.

  • The Philosopher

    @Spaceship Jay:
    You’ve got to read it again.
    @Love4Humanity:
    The King is none of those things, either. Except a 3.
    Put him there, though…
    Put Kobe there…

  • http://brimartin13@gmail.com Brion

    Dumb article….I hope SLAM doesnt start being like the National Enquirer and just sticks to basketball, not rumors about players holding too many parties or what not. Congrats to team USA.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    They build you up, then they tear you down…
    Didn’t they do this same sort of good guy/bad guy thing with Lebron and Kobe at one point, only Lebron was the “good” guy back then.
    Funny.

  • http://myspace.com/emarosa Bryan

    I think we can actually all agree that Lebron has no business being brought up in this article. The guy is just trying to stir up trouble which is the new media move. “gee I have nothing of consequence to write about so I will say the most sensational thing I can and get a lot of page views”. Classic. Welcome to the ESPN/Social Media age of reporting. Cherish Slam, they keep it 100. Which is why I get so madd when people down the guys writing for this site or mag.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tri4HZnPD0Q Witness

    Everyone click my name!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Mutoni could’ve just written – “Check out Wojo’s latest LeBron-bashing article (insert link here).” There, on to the next one…

  • Javy

    Lebron, tell me how my A***ss taste?.
    Regards,
    DWade.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I got a chance to watch KD up close for about 4 days this past summer. Dude is the BIGGEST gym rat I’ve EVER seen. I’m not delving into this Kobe vs Bron vs KD thing though because there always has to be a hero and a villain in sports. Make no mistake though, I know KD works hard and that’s the very reason he’s going to be one of the greats in this game. He’s a good dude too. Where he ranks alongside Bron and Kobe remains to be seen. He’s only 21, but he’s got a great head start on both of them IMO. Besides, Woj bashing Bron has gotten to the point of absurdity. We get it dude, you don’t like him.

  • http://dez@nba.com dez

    every video i’ve seen on the USA olympics where wade/kobe/lebron etc dominated, painted lebron as the consumate teammate, and funny/exciting to be around.
    i wish they had told me that he was a bad person at the time, instead of having you guys break it to me.

  • The Philosopher

    ^^Truth is beautiful, to me.

  • T-Money

    Allenp: Kobe who was himself the anti-AI (clean cut, well spoken, “respected” the game)…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Make no mistake, Durant is a killer. Amazing scoring potential. Not just the stroke, but the shifty moves off the dribble are shocking when you’re talking about someone that tall. Dude has all kinds of shots.
    But, and this is a big but, he is a freakish anomaly in international play, the same way Lebron is a freakish anomaly in all baskebtall leagues.
    Seriously, the wackness that is individual defense in FIBA could not contain a dude of Durant’s height and stroke, who could also iso and dribble drive.
    While this is still impressive in the NBA, it’s not as impressive because of the greater athletic ability and size of most NBA players. It’s why Durant can average 30 a game for the season, but still be made to look like a young buck by Ron Artest.
    Different breed of players.

  • The Lord of Nsam (formerly known as Fresh Prince)

    CONGRATS TEAM USA!

  • Love4Humanity

    Philosopher, you’re contradicting yourself. You’re the one who said “Tell me, in a million years, how many of those years can you say that Kobe would be a better point guard than The King?
    How about a better small forward than The King?
    How about a better power forward than The King?” And then you say LeBron’s none of those things?….What?

  • Mo

    The only thing I’ll add to all of this is this: Watch when the season gets under way and LeBron is absolutely murdering the league, how fast all these punk a$$ reporters and fans talking all this nonsense jump right back on the bandwagon. LBJ may be a jerk sometimes. NEWSFLASH: If you really were around most of these stars, you’d probably see a lot of “stuff” you don’t like that they do. Including KD.

  • The Philosopher

    My point is that The King is better than Kobe.
    How is that contradicting myself?
    I never said that The King was any of those things.
    I was just wondering who would be better at what.
    …..
    What?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Money
    Exactly.
    I remember when Kobe was “perfect.”
    He was selling everything, he was the answer to the “thugs.”
    Then Colorado and the 2004 Finals happened.
    “It was all good just a week ago…”

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    Ive said it for over a year, westbrook is 3rd best pg in the league. Best defensive pg by far

  • The Philosopher

    Hell, I’ll put it out there, Love4Humanity.
    The King would be ALL those things before Kobe… EVER would.
    Period.

  • Love4Humanity

    Philosopher, you don’t have any arguments to support your point. And that’s not a point, it’s an opinion. If your arguments are who would be better at being a power forward, point guard, small forward and who would be better guarding a center and you are trying to compare Kobe and LeBron that way, then I can say that Tim Duncan is better than both of them since he’s the best power forward. Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Rose and Rajon Rondo are better because they’re better point guards. LeBron’s the best small forward, because that’s his position. Kobe’s the best shooting guard. And Kendrick Perkins is better than both because he’s the best at guarding centers. You did a horrible job with supporting your opinion. Basically, all it comes to is your love fest with LeBron.

  • Love4Humanity

    Westbrook best defensive PG by far? Rondo begs to differ. Westbrook has a better offensive game though.

  • LA Huey

    3rd best PG in the league? He’s not even 3rd best in his conference.

  • Love4Humanity

    All we need is recent history. Let’s look at this past season’s playoffs. Who hit ridiculous shots to knock out the Suns? Kobe. Who quit against the Celtics? LeBron.

  • The Philosopher

    Yeah, all of that is cute.
    And, you are right, it is an opinion.
    But, there is truth to it.
    Even if a slight, particle of dust’s worth.
    You know that, though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Cat’s try to downtalk Dwyane like he’s not even close to Kobe or some sh*t in best shooting guard talk. Keep talking, bit*hes…Bean’s gonna have his shot to put himself in the air that only his fans feel he belongs.

  • The Philosopher

    Kobe has quit, too.
    More than once.

  • Love4Humanity

    Who steals people’s names on here? lol Seriously? Are we adults here? D-Williams, CP3, Rose, Nash, Rondo, Westbrook. He’s not the 3rd best PG in the game. His FG percentage must improve and he needs to learn how to be more under control with his athleticism.

  • Love4Humanity

    Kobe quit…4 years ago. LeBron quit recently. D-Wade is close to being the best SG but Kobe’s still the guy. Wade deserves more than LeBron gets because he actually has taken his team and led them to a title. If anyone’s being put in a space where only his fans feel he belongs…it’s LeBron.

  • The Philosopher

    Peace and love to all.
    Signing off for a minute.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    ^tsi..
    yeah dude is for sure the best defensive point in the league

  • The Philosopher

    But before I do…
    Kobe’s allowed to quit, but The King’s not???
    I’ve heard it all now!
    LOL!
    Peace and love.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Eboy, whoever says that Wade isn’t at least on par with Kobe if not better at this point is a Gotd*mn FOOL. That’s why everyone has/had so much beef with LBJ in the first place.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Third best point guard in the league?
    Ahead of Paul, Williams, Billups and Nash?
    Nah, can’t see it, even with Nash’s atrocious defense he’s a better point than Westbrook.
    How many times did Westbrook eff up with turnovers and dumb shots? He’s an awesome two guard, trapped in a point guard’s body, who must transition to playing the one.
    Still love him though.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    I would’ve been just as disturbed if LBJ would have signed to the Lakers.

  • Mo

    ALLENP:

    Keep preaching my man. As you said, they did the same thing to Kobe in LeBron’s first few years in the league. Kobe was this and that and LBJ was the sweet little angel. I wonder after KD’s contract ext expires and he leaves OKC without winning a ship, will he be a quitter, failure, jerk, etc? All LeBron has to do is do the exact same thing Kobe did: Use all of this negativity as fuel to win championships. And watch the haters switch up and hop back on your bandwagon. Its pathetic, but that’s how it goes. As Jay-Z once rapped, “The whole industry can hate me, I’ll thug my way thru.”

  • http://google c_cantrell

    I wouldnt call westbrook the 3rd best point in the league but prolly the 6th or 7th best.. u still got cp3, deron, billups, nash, rose, and rondo.. huge westbrook fan but be realistic man

  • http://dfjklf.com Jukai

    This is all very laughable

  • http://yahoo.com kevin armenta

    love the article.People hate the truth.I been sayin since KD was in college he was gonna be better than LBJ.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tri4HZnPD0Q Witness

    Click my name!

  • http://dfjklf.com Jukai

    Okay, so Durant is a little bit better of a scorer. He’s a little bit better of a rebounder.
    He’s a far worse passer, far worse defender, worse dribbler, worse leader, and quite honestly, I haven’t seen anything that shows he’s better in the clutch.
    So why do people think he’s better than LBJ?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @ Jukai LBJ is a victim of the same thing that Kobe has been going through all these years. We people start to dislike you they begin to hype up players and proclaim them better even though in reality they are not. I’m also tired of Dwade never getting the credit he deserves bc I think he is the league’s second best player behind Kobe.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    im a bigger kd and thunder fan than anyone on this site but guys lets be real.. kd is not better than lebron.. if kd read any of this he would prolly laugh out loud seeing how many ppl really believe he is the best player on the planet

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    We all agree that he is not better than KB24 right?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    KD reminds me alot of Tracy McGrady.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    ^Kap..
    yeah lol im pretty sure we would all agree he is not a better player than kobe.. n yeah iv stated several times before that parts of his game remind me of tracy mcgrady.. sure hope his career turns out better than mcgradys tho.. its really hard to imagine kd not getting injured at some point and time because of how frail and skinny he is

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Just imagine if this guys gets bigger and starts playing PF with KGs intensity on defense.

  • Love4Humanity

    He does remind me of T-Mac. I just hope the injury bug doesn’t hit him.

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    Deron, chris, westbrook…… Then rose, etc. Clearly, russ is the best defensive pg no one else is close. Rondo? Gtfoh, he gambles the passing lanes and maybe pokes its away but thats it, he cant actually guard anyone. What is rose better at than westbrook? Nothing what is westbrook better at than rose? Defense, rebounding, shooting(not by alot but def better). HUGE props to dre dala for his amazing defense all through the tourney, and odom for everything, hes still the most versatile in the league

  • http://google c_cantrell

    hes prolly never goin to play PF lol

  • Robb

    I love KD and I dislike Lebron, but nothing is black and white. Saying everything Kevin does is good and everything Lebron does is bad, is stupid, let’s be objective here people! Specially you sport journalists!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Its amazing how perceptions change in only a years time.

  • Brian

    How exactly could Wojo focus his article on the US winning the gold medal when the article was written before the championship game was played?
    Back to taping up your posters.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Why did we need to rip LeBron here?? The article should’ve been about who WAS there, not who WASN’T there. LeBron isn’t the team, they shouldn’t have made it into that.

  • Love4Humanity

    Westbrook is not a better shooter than Rose. Look at their FG percentages. And he gambled quite a bit during the championships. Rose is more controlled than Westbrook and he’s a better ball handler. Westbrook is a better athlete, Rose is a better basketball player.

  • http://yahoo.com kevin armenta

    KD is a better leader,scorer,rebounder and teamate than Lebron.Most of you Lebron fans were prolly laker fans anyways.You just jump on the wagon because of all the hype on this cat.I guess when KD starts to get all the recognition soon.All you lbj fans are gonne jump on KD’s wagon also.You guys aint real hoop fans.

  • JTaylor21

    @Kap, it changed in a matter of seconds after he said going to south beach. Also EBoy is right, Kobe and DWade are really 1A/1B in terms of SGs. Also name one thing that KD does well on the floor other than score and rebound, NOTHING, I don’t even think he’s a better player than Melo, who by the way is the BEST scorer in the NBA not KD. HE was the MAIN reason they lost to LA last year and RWestbrook was the ONLY reason OKC didn’t get their a**es swept. Anybody remeber all those AIRBALLs that KD shot in the clutch last year and when Bron blocked him in the closing seconds of a game in Cleveland. KD better worry about an aging Arterst locking his A** down again before he worries about being the SO CALLED best player. Oh yeah, fu*k Wojo, dude loves bron’s name in his mouth just like he loves d*ck.

  • Donn

    Can’t we just say that Lebron and Durant are pretty good players and leave it at that.

  • JTaylor21

    @Kevin, KID PLEASE. Kd is not a better leader than bron, ask any of his 08 Olympics teammates and they will tell you that. All I’m saying is that the so called BEST Player got his a** handed to him by a past his prime ron arterst, shot 37 freaking percent, and came up small time after time in crunch time. Without Westbrook there to bail his a** out, he would have started his playoff career the same way as T-Mac. KD is great player but he aint got NOTHING on Bron.

  • http://dfjklf.com Jukai

    I’m not sold on Kobe, when healthy, being better than Lebron. For the last two years, Lebron has clearly been better, with the prevalent excuse being that Kobe is injured. Kobe shows a glimpse of being ‘uninjured’ for maybe a month then hurts something else.
    Couldn’t it just be Kobe had a good month?
    Until he shows me a good, uninjury filled season, I can’t say kobe is better than Lebron. Lebron for two years has been more effective, more stat filled, and INJURY FREE. That’s just the case.
    Kobe played just as badly as Lebron did against the Celts. Look at the stats:
    Kobe: 28.5 – 8.3 – 3.8 – 2.1 – 0.7 w/ 3.8tos on 41/32% shooting
    Lebron: 26.8 – 9.3 – 7.2 -2.1 – 1.3 w/ 4.5tos on 43/27% shooting
    Statistically, it looks like Lebron was more impressive. Yet, you’re going to tell me you watched the game and Kobe tried his hardest and Lebron quit? Lebron’s quitting stats are better than Kobe’s trying stats.
    And I brought back up the debate. I know. But hey, let’s aim for 500+ comments here.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    TSI
    Rose is better at running a team, making good decisions with the ball, and passing.
    Westbrook is better at defense, rebounding and being aggressive.
    They are about even at scoring. Rose has the better handle and dribble moves, Westbrook has the better jumper.
    I’m not sure how you can’t see that.

  • http://www.shawnkemp.com Masr

    cosign eboy’s first comment, leave it to just team usa winning and there oppenents losing not lebron, lets just leave the man alone. SOME of his criticism is really not warrented.

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5493184 Jackie Moon

    Haven’t been reading the comments much this summer. I’m glad to see I haven’t missed much.

  • JTaylor21

    Thanks Juks for pointing out exactly what I’ve being saying since the end of the finals, when Kobe fanatics and everyone claimed that Kobe played better against the celts. Bron’s numbers were better all-around even with a HORRENDOUS Gm.5, and with the way the rest of his teammates played the series shouldn’t have gone past 4 games, while Kobe on the other hand, had a worse series vs the Celts, but his teammates rose to the occasion and took the celts to 7 gms and won. There’s a difference being the BEST player in the NBA and being the best player on the best team.

  • Mo

    Kevin armenta:

    See this is what I mean when i say people will say any old stupid sh*t nowadays. “KD is a better leader than LeBron?” What in the hell has KD led the Thunder to? Bron led that garbage a** Cavs team to the “Finals!” Beat the same Piston team that beat the hell out of the Lakers the year before. LeBron has had “good” teammates in the past few years but has never had the opportunity to play with great players required to win a championship. Yeah they’ve won 60+ games the last two years (mainly because of him) but he has always lacked support in the “playoffs.” That’s when real players show up. It’s all fun and games during the regular season. Kobe can lean on Pau, Bynum, Fisher, etc. Boston has the Big 4 now. But Bron has to rely on an aging Shaq & Jamison, Mo Williams, Anthony Parker and others along with a coach that runs the same stupid offense.

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    Allen, ok rose is the better passer right now. Good decisions and running a team no. Rose has more leeway because hes the best player, so a few bad decisions by him dont seem like much, but a westbrook turnover is magnified. handles and dribble moves id say are about even, rose def di(ks around with the ball alot more, while westbrook just zooms into the paint.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    @jukai: LeBron’s complete stat line from that round two series are not his “Quitting” stats. No one would argue that LeBron quit over the first few games, for example Game 3 was a masterpiece (38, 8 and 7 on 63.6% shooting). LeBron’s “quitting” stats look more like: 15, 6 and 7 on 21% shooting (Game 5). Also, let’s not belittle the fact that Kobe was widely considered to be the best player in the majority of the games in the series, a series which Kobe’s team actually won. Also, don’t forget that Kobe WON his series (a NBA finals series no less) and LeBron lost his second round series. This is not an apples to apples comparison.

  • LA Huey

    I just want to make note of how good Lamar was in the FIBA tourney.

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    Lahuey, u are correct but late, I already did that but its ok lamar earned our praise. Him and dre dala played great against bigger players all tourney long.

  • http://dfjklf.com Jukai

    jumpman3224: What you said mostly made no sense. Kobe WAS considered the best player in that series. Lebron wasn’t playing in that series. He lost. This is true.
    However, you may be under the impression that Kobe was playing one-on-five. Kobe did not perform up to par in that series. He underperformed. His team still won out, as several other players stepped up.
    No one on Lebron’s team stepped up. No one.
    So, I’m mystified at what you were trying to prove except by using blanket statements to prove a point without any facts or stats.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    TSI
    Nah, Westbrook clearly does not have a secure handle and looses the ball way to much for my taste off the bounce.
    Plus, watch Westbrook and Rose attacking NBA talent leads me to believe that Rose has way more dribble moves. Sure, when Westbrook has a clear athletic advantage, like he did against the Lakers and in Fiba, he can just sprint by his man. But, in a regular NBA season, the athletic gap between him and other players is smaller.
    And it’s not that Westbrook’s turnovers are magnified, it’s that Rose just has more experience and, right now, a better feel for playing the point. Westbrook clearly looks like a two guard trying to become a one. Rose just looks like a young point guard finding his way.
    Anyway, I think they are very close as players and I’m not sure who is the superior player right now, but I know who is the superior point guard.

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5493184 Jackie Moon

    Remember when the Cavs were rocking the best th record? Remember when they released Z and then got him back, thereby getting Jamison for basically nothing, and how this basically sealed the 2010 title for the Cavs? Hindsight sure does change a lot of viewpoints.

  • Love4Humanity

    LeBron wasn’t a leader on Team USA. It was Kobe, Kidd and Melo. Kobe’s a better overall player. He understands the game better than Bron. What does LeBron do better than Kobe besides pass and rebound? Kobe’s a better overall defender. Kobe’s skill level is higher than LeBron’s. If a comparison needs to be made, it’s Kobe and Wade…not Kobe and LeBron. LeBron is a bigger, stronger, more athletic version of Scottie Pippen. The Lakers don’t oust the Suns if LeBron was in Kobe’s place. LeBron would never even think to take some of those shots in Game 6 that Kobe hit easily. Understand the difference between athleticism and basketball skill. MJ said himself that he would take Kobe. That’s the end of the argument right there. Who knows basketball better than the GOAT?

  • http://yahoo.com kevin armenta

    @mo and jtaylor:put a 21 year old lebron on the youngest team in the WESTERN CONFRENCE.i gaurantee you cats he would get swept in the first round.just like he did in the finals.the east sucks.the thunder would be a 2nd seed in the east con.i love kobe.but if it wasnt for that weak lay up bye pau on kobes airball in OKC.the series would of changed.Its all hype you bought into.He cant win so he has to go chase a ring.just like his boy shaq…c’mon KD is ONLY 21 YEARS OLD.This should be his rookie season.On top of that.HE! led the USA squad to gold.So dont question his leadership.you guys are prolly the same cats who think CP cry baby is the best pg in the L also right? you guys aint real hoop fans.you just buy into hype by watchin ESPN and ect.you just go what the media is saying

  • tavoris

    Westbrook is pretty darn good, but if Durant had a pure passer throwing him the ball on those curls, you could add 4 more points to his average.

  • tavoris

    oh, and Allenp is preaching the truth.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    @Jukai: What I’m saying is that Kobe may have statistically “underperformed” in the finals, but LeBron underperformed in the second round. Regardless of the opponent you comparing a second round losing performance to a Finals winning performance is not fair. Sure Kobe had help to win (all championships are won by great TEAMS with multiple contributors), but LeBron was not able to rise above himself and the circumstances to propel his team and isn’t that what great players are supposed to do? Also, you are pretty dismissive to Kobe being better than LBJ recently but here are a few FACTS to that I’ll use to support my contrasting opinion. Over the last two regular seasons, LeBron has been the MVP. During that same time the MVP voters have recognized Kobe as a top 3 NBA player (MVP runner up in 2009 and third in 2010). In that same time span, in the playoff’s (when games matter more) Kobe’s team won two championships with him as the MVP (playoffs that saw Kobe become the ONLY player EVER to score at least 600 points three years in a row). So, Kobe has been a top 3 player in the last two regular seasons and the top player in the past two postseasons.

  • tavoris

    and while Jukai is right about Lebron, I’d say that the test is screwed because kobe has been playing with a broken finger for over two years now.

  • RedRum

    I think lebron is a douche, but it is weird how these stories of him barking at workers come out only now…

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    Co-sign @JackieMoon: I love how no one doubted the Cavs chances to make or win the finals before they got eliminated. All we read (via commenters) on here all season was that the Cavs had the best TEAM and were a lock to win it all. But, somehow when they lost everyone’s to blame other than LeBron.

  • tttttt

    Shutup to the announcers that kept saying KD and DERRICK ROSE would start in 2012
    Rose is nowhere close to CP3 level

  • JTaylor21

    How bout the year when Bron became the first player in playoffs history to avg. 35/9/7 with 51FG%, was the kobe the best player then. NO. @Jumpman, did kobe rise above himself and the circumstances to propel his team, NO because the team as a whole did not just one player. Bron has being GREAT whenever he’s played in the playoffs as evidenced by his 29 ppg (second to MJ for Playoffs avg.) but his teammates have NEVER EVER reached the level of play needed to win a chip. He’s never played with a player in his prime who can get 20+ points at any given time and nobody better not say 35 yr old undersized Jamison, he doesn’t count.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    @JTaylor21: Actually the year LBJ averaged 35/9/7, Kobe’s team won the championship and he had one the best statistical finals ever. So yeah, I’d take that. LeBron has not been GREAT everytime he’s played in the playoffs. Greatness is a combo of talent and accomplishment. Also, don’t use his scoring average as evidence. First of all, AI is actually 2nd to MJ (LBJ being 3rd, please fact check) and 5th is TMAC (not exactly a great player). So what if LeBron never played with another great player. Maybe he just wasn’t able to bring out the best in guys when the going got tough. Let’s not forget that the Cavs assembled the roster the way they did, because LBJ’s inability to commit long term ruined there flexibility and ability to build with the long term in mind. Obviously Shaq was an all-time great, but before he was paired with Kobe, Pau wasn’t a very accomplished post season player. Kobe had a lot of talent around him for the last two championships, but his drive and talent transformed that talent into champions.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Love4Humanity – if your going to go off about all the things LeBron is not strong at, and all the things Kobe is better at, don’t ruin it by comparing LeBron to a player with opposite strengths then your argument just referred to LeBron as not having. Scottie Pippen is the best defensive wing of all time. If LeBron were a bigger, stronger, more athletic version of scottie pippen then what are you talking about Kobe being a better defender? and don’t say if LA had LeBron they wouldn’t get passed phoenix, there is not one shred of truth to that statement. I have also heard people say that if Kobe were on Cleveland they wouldn’t have been a top 5 team in the east. Which is also false and impossible to prove. – And regarding your MJ comment….MJ is the most competitive player of all time, and he knows LeBron is the only person that can eclipse him in career accomplishments and dominance. Kobe is too old and clearly not as great a winner, MJ knows that, he knows that to keep himself as the greatest he must annoint someone who will never reach his plateau as 2nd banana. Ensuring him as the GOAT until atleast the end of LeBron’s career. If LBJ comes out and averages a triple double and Miami wins 5 titles in a row Michael will always be able to revert back to his statements on “the decision” and who he thinks/thought was a better player. Any input at all from MJ should be seen as him trying to further his own brand. If you saw a videotape of his wedding when he vowed to never cheat on his wife would you believe that too?

  • http://dfjklf.com Jukai

    jumpman3224: I don’t get this. Lamar Odom also won the championship. Pau Gasol also won the championship. One could argue that none of those players outplayed each other in Celtics series. Are Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom better than Lebron?
    When Paul Pierce beat Kobe Bryant in 2008, outplayed Kobe, and got Finals MVP, did you BELIEVE Pierce when he said he was the best player on the planet, or did you scoff like the rest of us?
    Winning a championship increases your career accomplishments and raises your status as one of the GREATEST players, but it doesn’t do anything when looking at who are the BEST players.
    Your reasoning is absurd. It’s a team game. Lebron did not have the team Kobe had. Did Lebron quit instead of give it his all? Your damn right he did. But what you’re telling me has no bearing on who is a better player, Kobe or Lebron. Do you think Kobe could have gotten passed the Celtics with the Cavalier team and Lebron would have lost to the Celtics if he was on the Lakers? Honest question.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Comparing Kobe and LeBron by using their success on two of the most unequal teams in talent and coaching is ignorant. The Lakers are a team so chalk full of talent they are back to back NBA champs going for a 3 peat. Cleveland will be relatively the same this year minus LeBron James and will end up as one of the worst teams in the NBA. If the Lakers were in the east, without Kobe Bryant they would STILL be a top 5 team. Stop comparing the players based on the playoffs last year also. Boston shut both guys down. LeBron played poorly his teammates played porrer, Kobe shot 34% against Ray F’n Allen and stole the finals MVP trophy from Pau Gasol.

  • JTaylor21

    @Jumpan, AI and Bron numbers are separated by only .4 points, stop acting like it’s a big difference. Also TMac was a GREAT player before the injuries hit, so CHECK your facts on that because a LOT of people thought that he was better than Kobe a few years back. Also what do you mean that he didn’t bring the best of of guys, WHAT? Players have to be talented in the first place and nobody can force a player to be something that they’re not. It’s like the same BS people say when talking about MJ making Pippen. I will finish by saying that you should name one player that Bron has played with that posses the same skill set and talent as Gasol, I BET everything that you can’t.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If LeBron didn’t bring the best out of those guys, sign back on here in April of next year and please logically explain why in the world they only have less then 30 wins and more then 50 losses

  • RedRum

    you cannot compare Lebron to MJ based on the rings. say you swap lebron and Kobe on their teams, and you have lebron playing with pau and and kobe with varejao. Does lebron win a ring with the lakers? probably. does kobe win a ring with the cavs? unlikely…

  • Love4Humanity

    LeBron will no longer be that dominant and won’t be close to Kobe or MJ in dominance now that he’s playing with a player who has the killer instinct that he lacks. LeBron is more Scottie Pippen or Magic Johnson. D-Wade has more of a MJ/Kobe mindset. You mean to tell me that LeBron’s teammates just stopped playing in the playoffs. Do you think Kobe would dance and have fun before games if his teammates were leaving him out to dry? A true leader would have found a way to get Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison going. Period. Overall, forget Kobe and LeBron. My guy is AI. A player who NEVER quit and played with more injuries and more heart in one season than Kobe or LeBron will ever play with. Put AI on the Cavs or Lakers and they’re winning championships. If AI can carry that 2001 team to within 3 games of winning a title, he could carry any Cavs team LeBron has played on.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    @Jukai: That is a good question, but honestly I don’t believe you can ever have players trade places and anticipate results because of the numerous intangibles that go into buidling a successful team (ie how the players fit together, chemistry, etc.). Addressing your points individually…Player’s don’t win championships by themselves, I never said or implied that. Pau Gasol and Lamar were great contributors, but Kobe was easily the best player on LA in that series (remember many media pundits had KB24 as MVP going into game 7 win or lose). Also, I did not say that any player who wins a champsionship is better than a player who doesn’t, so no Gasol and Odom are not better than LeBron. As far as Pierce, I did not believe that he was the best player after his finals MVP. In the Kobe v. LeBron debate, I referenced how in addition to winning titles and series MVPs, Kobe was a top 3 regular season player. In the case of Pierce, he was coming off a season where he was just one of the top 15 players so the aggregate of what he did in the regular season and the finals does not average out to be the best player. Also, I hate the ‘LeBron didn’t have the team’ argument, because no one was making it before he quit in game 5. I COMPLETELY agree that there is a major difference between Best and Greatest. But, I do think more goes into best than statistics. While, LeBron is currently the statistically best player, additional factors mean ProLeBron and ProKobe sides will never agree on who is better at this point. long post so if there are any additional points you’d like me to address LMK.

  • JTaylor21

    @Love4H, so know guys like Magic are bums compared to MJ? SHAMWOW. Don’t be an IDIOT and try to downplay Magic and Pips greatness just to gas up MJ and Kobe even more. Damn, clowns nowadays just think that scorers are the only great players while overlooking great all-around players like Magic/Pip/Bron. All you need to know is that to win a CHIP a team has to have at least 2 STAR players and the Cavs only had one.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    @jtaylor: .4 isn’t a huge difference, but I’m just saying don’t use expicility incorrect statistics to support your claims. As far as TMAC, there are no “facts” to support your theory that TMAC was ever a “great” player. If you know of some, let me know. Some people (few) may have thought TMAC was better than TMAC, but that got dispelled pretty quickly. Also, I can’t believe that you don’t understand the concept that great players bring out the best in their teammates. That is one of the oldest and most tested measures (and hotly debated) measures of greatness. I agree that LeBron has never played with a top tier teammate, but maybe that’s LeBron’s fault (paritly). LeBron would never commit long term and because of that the Cavs were forced to bring in past their prime players with bad contracts to try to win now. They were not able to grow anything organically or accumulate tradable assets. LeBron has one GREAT teammate now and another all-star. So I guess we will see how he does with talent around him.

  • LA Huey

    I’d like to ask who on last year’s Cavs team (outside of LeBron) could have represented Team USA or perform like the 4th best Laker (Lamar) just did?

  • http://dfjklf.com Jukai

    jumpman3224: I don’t get it. You just spent several sentences saying that that winning a championship doesn’t make you the best player.
    Yet then you still use the fact that Kobe won a championship and Lebron didn’t to say Kobe is the best player in the league.
    I’m really not sure how you’re trying to prove this. So, according to you, if there are three TOP players in the league, whichever one of them wins a championship is the officially best? The cut off is three?
    Gotcha.
    Thumbs up.

  • http://dfjklf.com Jukai

    Also, no one ever said Lebron’s team was better than Kobe’s team. NO ONE THOUGHT THAT. People just thought that the Cavaliers could win a chip because Lebron was better than Kobe. That’s what people thought.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    I will say that yes, LeBron’s team wasn’t as good as Kobe’s. But, I HATE that all last season I had to hear about (and read on this site) how the Cavs had the best team in the NBA (search Jamison to find the article where the Cavs landed him for nothing and were annointed Champions). And, then when that team fails in the post season, LeBron gets a pass and the team takes the blame. Why does he get to have it both ways?

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    @jtaylor: Winning a championship doesn’t make you the best (plenty of players win championships that aren’t), but when you are already a first team ALL NBA player and then you win a title (and serious MVP), yeah I think that swings things in your favor. I used the number 3 to illustrate that they were pretty close in regular season hierarchy. I would never use the fact that Odom won a championship to say that he is better than LBJ, but with Kobe and LBJ being as close as they are I do think (in this comparison) it puts him over the top.
    @jukai: Plenty of posters on this site said that very thing, if you aren’t aware go back and look at old season preview, playoff preview or trade deadline stories. Also, I live in Northeast Ohio and was told daily that the roster was better and they were looks for rings, so don’t tell me that no one would say that.

  • http://dfjklf.com Jukai

    jumpman3224: Plenty of posters on this website are idiots and you know that. I rarely ever remember an actual SPORTS analyst who wasn’t a well known idiot saying that Cleveland had the best team. A lot of them said Jamison would put them over the top, but everyone knew that if you take off Kobe and take off Lebron, the Lakers would CREAM the Cavs. They just thought Lebron was SO much better than Kobe that he could will his team over the Lakers. That was obviously wrong.
    Lebron is still better though.

  • JTaylor21

    Jumpman, All I have to say is that Bron had a better individual playoff series vs the celts than kobe but his team STILL lost. Also kobe had a HORRENDOUS GM7 but his team still won while bron had a TURRIBLE GM5 and the Cavs got blown out. It shows you that one player has the SUPREME supporting cast while the other has to play out of his mind every game just Cavs to have a chance.

  • http://dfjklf.com Jukai

    Yeah, there is double standards in Lebron’s game 5 to Kobe’s game 7. Both flopped. Yet Kobe gets massive credit cause his team stepped up and Lebron doesn’t cause his team crashed harder then Lebron.
    Go figure.

  • Love4Humanity

    Did I ever say that LeBron was a bum? Or Magic or Scottie? Learn how to read properly. I was simply stating that LeBron is not a Kobe/MJ type of player just like Magic is not an MJ type. Magic said himself that Michael came and grabbed the league away from him and Larry. LeBron never did take it from Kobe and now that he’s playing with Wade, he never will. Magic was great, but he wasn’t Michael Jordan. There’s a reason why Michael is widely considered the best of all time. Now that I think about it, LeBron’s not even on Scottie Pippen’s level.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Gaaaawwwwwh, “journalists” like that who try to stir up drama in professional freaking sports are so annoying. Who gives a flying f*ck about the player’s image, which isn’t even bad in the first place–everybody just WATCH the game and stop critiquing his legacy midway through his damn career.
    Gaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwhhhhhhhh.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    @jukai: That is a really good point in regards plenty of posters on here, maybe my media bias was off base due to all of the Cleveland homers who handle the local media around me. I take people saying that Jamison would put them over the top as saying the Cavs as a whole were better than the Lakers, maybe that was minterupertation on my part.
    @jtaylor21: I will take slightly worse averages and a win. Also, a lot of people describe Kobe’s game as Horrendous in 7 and yea he couldnt hit a shot, but he took over that game defensively and as a rebounder. So in a lot of ways that helped to display his complete game and will to win.
    @Both of you: LeBron is in a new and different situation this year and we will get to see what his numbers and accomplishments look like with an elite supporting cast. Should be an interesting year. Question, honestly if he doesn’t win with Wade and Bosh, what is the excuse and what is his legacy? I doubt that happens, but you never know.

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    Allenp, fair enough. Rose is the better pg right now. Theyre both still pretty young, so we will see in the next few years. ……. And this kobe/bron stuff is funny. Lebron is the better player, no question. Kobe has had the most talented team since 07, even moreso when ron arrived. I told everyone the last coupl yrs the cavs wouldnt win the title, let alone the east. I understand its hard for many people to separate facts from opinion. Cavs feasted on garbage east teams 3-4 times a season to pile up wins. Anyways, none of this matters now cuz spurs will win the title this season.

  • Kent Kanada

    this just in! new pictures have leaked of big time role model and team usa superstar kevin durant in a turkish brothel covered in women!

  • COGGIE13

    someone clear this ish up for me!!! how is Lebron not clutch??

  • JTaylor21

    @Love4, maybe you should STOP commenting because you sound dumber with each passing minute. Did you just say that Scottie Freaking Pippen is better than bron and that Magic’s not on Mj’s level, WHAAAAAAT!! @Jumpman, I knew that you were going bring up the 15 rebounds ish but if you guys don’t bring up Bron’s 19 rebounds and 10 assists in Gm6 don’t even think about bringing up kobe’s rebound numbers. You guys can’t praise one player’s numbers but neglect to mention it when another player puts up better numbers. Also didn’t Bron completely shut down PP which led him to have the worst playoff series of his career, that has to be given credit also.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    @JTaylor: The comparison was strictly LBJ game 5 v Kobe game 7. I’ve never mentioned LeBron’s Game 6 performance. When I talk about his bad series or quitting it has been specifically about game 5. LBJ’s game six was wierd, because it seemed like he didnt give his all, but still had a nasty triple double. Maybe I should be more clear, but I do give LBJ a lot of credit and feel that he one of (top 2)the elite players in today’s game and will likely end his career as a Top 10 or 12 all time player. He does a lot of things well, but I just think right now Kobe is better and has had a greater career. Agree to disagree, I suppose. Have a good evening.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    My bad: I only projected 115 comments. Should of known better. Kobe Bryant and LeBron James are the two best players in the L. One for his ability to dominate in all aspects of the game and the other for his scoring prowess and his coach. LeBron has surrounded himself with 2 other stars in a bid to have a supporting cast akin to the Lakers roster and the pressure will mount now as he goes chasing some championship rings for himself.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    I heard he got “HUMBLE” tattooed on his forhead.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    well an anogram of humble: Le Buhm

  • Love4Humanity

    JTaylor, you’ve yet to say one thing that shows that you know anything about basketball. Now you’re saying that Magic Johnson was as good as Michael? What?! lol. LeBron can do no wrong in your eyes. Maybe you’re the one who should just give it up. I agree with jumpman’s last comment.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    LeBron is gonna be so mad next year.

  • JTaylor21

    @The Philosopher can you please set Love4Humanity straight. Dude actually believes that Magic’s not as good as MJ, I know it sounds LUDACRIS but people actually think like that.

  • http://www.manutd.com t-money

    yawn.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Since i try to steer clear of LBJ/Kobe articles here, the comments always escalate in those, i’ll weigh in on this one. Woj is on some vendetta, he probably plays golf with Dan Gilbert or sth. But if you’re gonna be villified anyway, why not embrace it, WWE style. The heat should have dark, nasty intro’s with Slipknot playing in the background. Bosh should wear a mask, seeing as he’ll do almost anything for attention nowadays. Spoelstra needs to grow the hair, the gel-comb it back, Gordon Gecko style (at least till Riles decides to take over in January). And Bron, Wade and Big Z should just make the extra effort to humiliate opponents. Chase down blocks with an exta shove to the ground (stay down, biatch!) are a must, as well as keeping the starters in during the late stages of blowouts, just to rile up the opponents a bit more. Slogan should be; Miami Heat, you’ll love to hate us!

  • flipnoyce

    Lebron to me is like a Scottie Pippen. He has the desire to win but doesn’t have the will. Lebron n Pippen is more identical than Jordan and Kobe. People don’t understand or realized how good Pippen really is because Jordan almighty shadowed him so much. Pip proved what his capabilities were when Jordan retires the first time and when he went to Portland. He didn’t win no championship but he took those teams deep in the playoffs. Here’s a question if you don’t believe me what can Lebron do that Pippen couldn’t???

  • flipnoyce

    Kevin Durant is already taking the world by storm in only 3 years time as a pro. Thunder is only one player away from dethroning the Lakers, so make room SLAM for the best of all time because Durant will be that next guy in line!!!!!

  • JTaylor21

    @flipnoyce, um he’s a BETTER scorer, better shooter, way BETTER passer, better athlete, and took a lesser talented team to the finals. Pip’s a very GREAT player but if you are going to compare anybody to bron it should be Magic and Penny.

  • Dagger

    I won’t address the article, because anyone who’s ever read any of Woj’s work knows that A) he’s one of the best at getting scoops and B) when he’s not breaking news he publishes the most pathetic, tabloid-style fluff pieces or hackjobs available anywhere on the internet. There’s a reason he’s at Yahoo sports. About the comments: some of the claims made about Lebron’s game are bizarre to me. Lebron is easily the most statistically clutch player in the league, he’s led a team of spare parts to back-to-back 60-win seasons (and the Finals), and he possesses the kind of all-around game we haven’t seen since Magic. He was statistically the best player on the Redeem Team and the acknowledged leader, and yes he did produce in the final game (even dropped a three in the final minutes). While it irritates the hell out of me to see Pippen, my favourite player from childhood, referred to as an example of a “beta dog” or subpar player, clearly Lebron is infinitely better offensively than Pippen. To me Durant’s offensive game reminds me of Tmac (with less dribbling or playmaking ability), with a bit of Dirk thrown in (as his jumpers are unstoppable). He needs to work on his defence, but with effort his ceiling on that end might eventually show flashes of KG’s spidery game. Still, to compare Durant to Lebron right now – whatever his upside – is just foolish, especially when you consider that Lebron hasn’t even hit his prime.

  • droc

    Man I’m looking forward to the upcoming season, which is probably the most anticipated in the last 10 years. So many subplots that remain up in the air. If Westbrook and Rose switched teams the Thunder would be unreal. I think your production throughout a full 82 game season should have more merit than a 9 game tournament where roles are completely reversed. I love Westbrook and his energy but Rose is the better player

  • http://masterx1983@hotmail.com marchalmadness

    everyone is hating on Lebron because ya’ll now he is the most complete player….
    wade best individual, durant best scorer kobe most clutch YES
    Most complete: Lebron!!!

  • Rikson

    Lebron egoless??? Geeeez – Ohne worte…

  • ab40

    LeBron is gonna take a huge dump on okc this year break some records of that gym

  • C.B

    @Robert wordd

  • Dre

    What people are too stupid or short-sighted to realize Lebron never quit on his team in the playoffs… they quit on him. Being scared to death to take any shots… making him have to play one on 5 cause you refuse to shoot. He is an excellent passer her will always draw a double-team… do your job and hit a shot. They treated that basketball like “hot potatoe” how fast they would pass the ball back to him and refuse to shoot or blow wide open shot. To me it sounds like his team quit not him.

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=oly&pcode=AQU GIANNIS BOUROUSIS

    HA,HA,HA!!!! Everybody talking about Lebronze & Durant while the most important thing is the photo at the right. Lebronze’s jaw is the only real threat to my favorite game/league. I don’t know what will be the implications of a “flo-jo” from him or the other “jaws” (Howard,iggy,wade,etc), especially if something happens during a game (i don’t even want to think about it). Scarrryyy…… (no need to remind you that U.S. participated in the Olympics with the condition that there will be no testing on its athletes).

  • http://hoopistani.blogspot.com hoopistani

    Wojnarowski is an awesome writer, and like it or not, whatever he’s written in the article is the truth. LeBron would’ve benefited greatly by being a leader to a championship team for once, because now, even if he wins with Miami or USA again in 2 years, he will probably not be in the leadership role while doing it.

  • The Philosopher

    September 13, @11:13 a.m.
    They want to be The Philosopher.
    They are stroking my ego even more.
    I am so conceited.

  • The Philosopher

    They were sabotaging my style on another thread, too.

  • Love4Humanity

    hoopistani, you are correct.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Greek Dude
    That’s a damn lie. FIBA’s president came out and officially said that EVERY athlete at the tournament was subject to testing.
    Also, if you want to see players who are roided out, look at the NFL, not NBA.
    None of the players in the NBA are exceptionally large or ridiculously fast for their size except for Lebron, and he’s been that way since High School. Check the tape.
    Maybe, just maybe, if you pansies across the athletic would stay out of clubs and bars, avoid the cigarettes and actually hit the freaking weight room you’re athletes wouldn’t look like underdeveloped college players with five-o-clock shadows.
    I hate when people lob around random accusations of juiciing with no proof besides a BS “eye test” that isn’t based on reality. It’s weak.

  • hammer

    LeBl**job James. Prima donna. All about him and his brand. Selfish,classless and egotistical Wait. I think I just described everything that durant is NOT. KD all class. Just a simple tweet 2 announce his extension. Class. Gotta respect and luv that. ALL CLASS ALL DAY

  • Dre

    Looking at all the name calling it is obviously a low level of maturity up here. He would have benefitted minimally he had already led a weak team past the Pistons into the Finals so they can save that crap. He benefitted more for saving his body and working out with his new team… that is made up BS.

  • Dre

    Whoa AllenP LOL!!!

  • Dre

    Mo u r on point… dead on.

  • http://dez@nba.com dez

    nbk speaks the truth

  • http://google c_cantrell

    wow… shout out to all slam readers!

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=oly&pcode=AQU GIANNIS BOUROUSIS

    @Allenp….:it’s not the first time that you pretend you don’t see the obvious(i remember when you “could not understand” why i sad that U.S. has better athletes than Europe ), unfortunatelly this time i won’t be happy when i present you with your comment 15 years from now….(if there is still SLAM, if i will be still alive).

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=oly&pcode=AQU GIANNIS BOUROUSIS

    @all those too young to have witnessed 2006 world’s(you are younger than young)…..:Lebronze got his 2nd bronze playing together with the best of the “jaws” (Howard,Wade,etc) while Durant was golden with a bunch of track&field guys as his support….

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    So, you’re going to ignore my point about your lie about testing?
    That’s about par for the course.
    You’re going to compare 2006 to this team, ignore the overall drop in talent which you yourself have mentioned on this site, and ignore the difference in preparation and game planning?
    I can’t believe I even stooped to responding to a comment of yours. I blame myself. Back to ignoring you as the ridiculous and racist troll you have exposed yourself to be on numerous occasions.
    I never forget what people write on certain topics. Ever. And I haven’t forgotten what you’ve written.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allenp is right. Although you sound kind of like the message board LeBron, who keeps a mental track of all the dummy’s lol.

  • http://TWITTER.COM/K1NGTUT TOMMY V

    Im sorry, but Kevin Durant in my opinion is a better basketball player than Lebron. Lebron is a one of a kind talent, but he is also a choker. Lebron has the Dr. J syndrome, great player, but needs a sidekick to take the team he is on to the next level (Moses Malone). someone said if KD is better than Lebron, he is head and shoulders above every player in the western conference. Such a stupid thing to say. Kobe Bryant is the best player in the league and all those who simply look at stats and highlights are the only ones who feel lebron is better than kobe. The article is pointless simply because Team USA didnt want lebron for the world championships.

  • flipnoyce

    Lets just all wait till the season starts.

  • http://www.manutd.com t-money

    tommy v: i don’t even know where to begin so i won’t.

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=oly&pcode=AQU GIANNIS BOUROUSIS

    @Allep…..:what i said for the Olympics is a FACT(althogh there was no official statement for obvious reasons). I ain’t discussing facts. It’s a waste of time.

  • Dre

    Tommy V… Lebron is still better then KD. I love KD he is great but the only thing he can do better then Lebron is shoot. Lebron is a better dribbler, passer, finisher… he is stronger, jumps higher and has great court vision. KD is still developing those gifts. Why wouldn’t someone look at stats to compare players? Every single player has needed great player on the team… no player has done it without other great players. Lebron is the best player in the league whether people like it or not. What emotion driven people fail to realize is that, you can be the best player in the world and not be on the best team.

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