Friday, October 1st, 2010 at 5:07 pm  |  120 responses

Centers of Attention

The ’90s best centers.

by Allen Powell

The most valuable players in the NBA are a rock solid point guard, and dominant two-way big men. We’ve already reviewed who manned the point with poise and panache in the 1990s; now it’s time to consider the big men who patrolled the paint. Many of the names are no surprise, but a few of them just might make you say “Hmmmm…”

Hakeem Olajuwon

Throughout his amazing career Hakeem Olajuwon was known to many fans as “The Dream.” But, for opposing centers, power forwards and coaches he was always recurring nightmare.

It started when Olajuwon made his debut as “Big Brother Dream Shake” while a member of Phi Slama Jamma at thHakeem Olajuwone University of Houston, and he and Clyde Drexler provided free facials to college players across the country.

It continued in the NBA when just two years removed from being the first pick in famed ‘84 draft, Dream joined forces with a creaky-kneed Ralph Sampson to challenge the Bird-led Celtics for the NBA‘s Golden Globe. The Rockets would fall, but Olajuwon would serve notice that before Christian Okoye ever picked up a football he was the real Nigerian Nightmare.

The League’s night terrors only got worse in the 1990s because at his apex Olajuwon could drop 27 points, 12 boards, 3 assists and 4 blocks and never break his cool. Dream would never conquer Mount Jordan, but unlike his peers, Hakeem took advantage of Mike’s brief dalliance in baseball’s minor leagues to snatch two rings of his own.

Whether he was schooling The Admiral by the Riverwalk, or teaching a break dancing Shaq the meaning of “craftiness“, there can be no doubt that Olajuwon was the defining center of the 1990s.

Sweet dreams suckers.

David Robinson

Does unapologetic dominance impress you, or is well-rounded brilliance more your cup of tea? Your preference likely dictates whether placing David Robinson over Shaquille O’Neal on this list seems like a logical move, or proof of idiocy.

Like the sun, David Robinson is an underappreciated star. Few people marvel at the sunlight that sustains life, and many NBA fans don’t realize that in his prime Robinson was a two-way player for the ages. Labeled “a black Adonis” by sportswriters infatuated with his physique, the beastliness of Robinson’s game was often overshadowed by his attention gathering deltoids and pectorals.

But, unlike some players, Robinson wasn’t content with living off his physical gifts; instead he developed a smooth lefty-stroke from 15-feet that made his first step even more devastating. In his best statistical year, Robinson posted a ridiculous 30 points, 11 boards, 5 assists and 3 blocks, and that was the year before he finagled the MVP away from Olajuwon!

Sadly, Robinson’s achievements have been overshadowed by Hakeem’s dominance, and the fact that he never won a ring without Tim Duncan. Like Sol, it seems like Robinson’s brilliance will be forever hidden in plain sight.

Shaquille O’Neal

Shaq may be the most physically gifted player to ever enter the NBA.

Younger fans probably scoff at that notion when considering the plodding journeyman now sporting Celtics’ green. Even those fans who remember O’Neal slamming his purple and gold bulk into opposing centers until they whimpered might not appreciate the full range of his gifts.

But, trust and believe, when Shaq was sporting the Magic’s pinstripes his incomparable combination of speed, grace, agility, leaping ability and strength was awe-inspiring.

Shaq was a bigger,, meaner and more coordinated version of Dwight Howard when he turned the Magic from laughingstock to championship contender.

Consider the numbers from his rookie year in 1993 when he averaged 23 points, 14 boards and 3.5 blocks, and immediately made the Magic a .500 team. The next year, paired with Penny Hardaway, O’Neal would drop 29 points and 13 boards while shooting 60 percent from the field

But, Shaq always had a problem staying on the court, and by the middle of the decade he regularly missed 20 games a season. His defensive numbers declined, and his teams, despite their talent, were becoming known for being swept from the Playoffs. The Diesel wouldn’t truly begin his reign until the next decade, but even as a young buck battling wily vets he was a bad, bad man.

Patrick Ewing

It was all about the scowl.

“Game face” doesn’t really do justice to what Patrick Ewing sported. Teammates, opponents and fans often call Ewing a “warrior”, and it’s easy to imagine that he considered every game a life or death battle.

How else can you explain the grim visage and plethora of perspiration he brought to every contest?

Ewing likely developed his glower by staring down racist fans who called him a “monkey” as he dominated high school basketball in Boston. The glare only improved when he joined forces with John Thompson at Georgetown and became college basketball’s Bad Boys without actually doing anything bad. By the time, Ewing got to New York, he had learned that basketball was more than just a game, and his attitude reflected that truth.

Ewing wasn’t better than the names ahead of him on this list, but that’s true of most big men. Patrick was still a guaranteed 20 points and 10 boards in the 90’s, and even if he constantly failed to deliver a championship to the Mecca, he never failed to leave his heart and soul on the hardwood. He was the leader of Knicks’ teams that are forever linked to gritty, hard-nosed basketball.

That’s a legacy that suits him.

Alonzo Mourning

What’s that old saying about the size of the fight in the dog?

Alonzo Mourning wasn’t a particularly large man as far as NBA centers go. He wasn’t ridiculously athletic and didn’t have a bevy of post moves. But, Zo was one of the toughest competitors and fiercest defenders the game has ever seen.

For example, most folks don’t know that Mourning averaged 20 and 10 with 3 blocks his rookie year, or that halfway through that year he had already set the CAREER blocks record for the Charlotte franchise. Throughout the 90’s, Mourning was one of most dependable offensive centers in the League, and on defense he was in an elite class.

But, the most enduring memories of Mourning come from the epic playoff battles waged between his Heat and their archrivals in New York. Many folks have unfairly blamed those literal slugfests for the NBA’s new rules about perimeter touching and its overreaction to fights between players. Zo typically lost those ugly skirmishes, but the raw emotion displayed by both teams still sparks nostalgia in many fans.

Who doesn’t love a good fight?

Dikembe Mutombo

Deke. Mt. Mutombo. Gramps. The guy with the funny voice.

Those monikers were attached to Dikembe Mutombo during his impressive NBA career, but none of them truly encompass everything Mutombo embodied.

Class. Intelligence. Dignity. Rejection

That’s more like it.

Mutombo won the defensive player of the year award three times in the 1990’s, and four times overall in his career. He’s second on the all-time blocks list behind Hakeem Olajuwon, and in his prime never averaged fewer than 10 rebounds and 2 blocks a game, even if he rarely cracked the 14 point plateau.

Deke had the patented Georgetown scowl down pat, but with his finger wagging and cheerful off-court demeanor he never seemed too angry. Mutombo will always be known as a staunch defender, but his most enduring legacies are the hospital he built in his home country, and the sense that he truly cared about the world beyond basketball.

Rik Smits

This is where the list got a little funky. There was a bottleneck for these last three positions and a decision had to be made about how much value to assign statistics and how much value to give potentially faulty recollection.

Statistics say that Rik Smits was an injury-prone, piss poor rebounder who never averaged 20 points per game for a season. Ah, but memory focused on Smits’ beautiful touch around the basket, his outstanding up-and-under move, and his refusal to back down from the brutes who attempted to punk him.

Memory won.

Smits was the second-best player on a perennial playoff team and championship contender. That’s the best way to describe him. He managed to carve out a respectable career in the League despite bad feet and distinct lack of jumping ability because he knew how to play the game. Alongside Reggie Miller, he was the go-to post player for the Indiana Pacers who counted on the “Davis Boys” to do all the dirty work in the paint. Smits wasn’t a star, but for a four or five year stretch he was definitely a problem for opposing coaches.

And the Dunkin’ Dutchman had a wicked nickname.

Rony Seikaly

Rony Seikaly is something of a forgotten man in NBA history.

Seikaly was the first pick of the expansion Miami Heat, and at the time he was heralded as the perfect building block for the new franchise on South Beach.

Rony got off to a slow start, but worked his way into a consistent 16 points and 11 boards for much of his early career. Seikaly always seemed to play a little too fast for his brain, which was reflected in his extremely high fouls per game numbers. But, when under control, Seikaly could wheel and deal on the block with jump hooks and fadeaways, and he regularly crammed on the skulls of players who got their scouting reports from Sidney Deane.

Seikaly had the tools to be one of the greats, but almost seemed to view life in the League as afterthought. He didn’t mind letting general managers know they couldn’t hold him hostage for the money since his family was wealthy, and he even refused to report to camp in Golden State one year because he was unhappy with his role.

Last, but certainly not least, his ex-wife makes Glenn Rice’s ex-wife look like Lady Gaga.

Brad Daugherty

This spot came down to Vlade Divac or Brad Daugherty. Should Vlade’s superior passing and flopping be rewarded, or should Daugherty’s injury shortened by still sublime career be recognized?

The flashes of brilliance Daugherty showed would not be denied.

Daugherty was a legit 20 and 10 in the ‘90s, and combined with Mark Price to form one of the League’s toughest little man/ big man combos. With a wide base, atrocious biker shorts and post moves galore, Daugherty was as fundamentally sound a big man as you could find. He played in three All-Star games in the 90’s and even made the All-NBA third team once. Before chronic back problems forced him to retire at 28, Daugherty seemed poised to round into the consummate building block, even as his Cavaliers continued to be foils for Jordan’s Bulls.

Sadly, we can only ask “what if”?

Vlade Divac

Vlade Divac was not dominant nor was he a star. His stats for the ’90s were right at 13 points and 9 rebounds. Despite his reputation as a passing big man without equal, his assist numbers aren’t even that eye-popping when compared to the other centers on this list.

But Vlade was a gamer. Who can forget him running with his arms down by his side to Magic Johnson for a hug after converting a sweet assist in the 1991 Finals? How the way Divac always seemed to have flop sweat and miasma of cigarette smoke around him in the middle of basketball games?

Divac was consistently good, and played well on some fairly talented teams. True, he is partially responsible for the horrible increase in flopping in the League, and he clearly didn’t care much about physical conditioning, but he understood the game. Divac played with smoothness and a flair that was fun to watch. His place on this list is arguable, but his game was not.

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  • JTaylor21

    For all those people saying that ’95 MJ wasn’t the real MJ and that the bulls swept the Magics a year later, I have one HUGE question; wasn’t Hakeem a better center than Shaq both offensively and defensively? Doesn’t exactly mean that the bulls would’ve lost to the rockets but it does make it more of a possibility.

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    JT21, the same logic would have applied had CHI made it to the Finals and lost to HOU. The playing field wasn’t level.

  • JTaylor21

    @BCrawford, my fault on the rev. history, I think that there are two different meanings and I got it mixed up. Anyways what do you mean by un-leveled playing field? Would it have been the rockets fault that MJ wasn’t yet 100% and should the history books have an asterisks by their fantasy chip. At the end of the day if the 95 rockets had played and beat the bulls in the finals, future generations would only know that 95 rockets beat 95 bulls not that MJ just came back from baseball and wasn’t yet 100%. You and I may know that but I doubt that they will.

  • MikeC.

    @JTaylor – True future fans will know. They’ll Lougle it.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Bryan Crawford: Figure out what? That Michael played for the entire duration of the playoffs in ’95 (and played remarkably well, too) but the Bulls still lost to the Orlando Magic?
    Don’t give me that excuse about Michael not being the same, Money averaged 31.5 ppg/6.5 rpg/4.5 apg in the ’95 playoffs, a BETTER statline than the next year when they won the championship… But it wasn’t the same? It astounds me that the Bulls have been so lionized by the media and fans that when they lose FAIRLY, it’s not a a real loss. It didn’t happen.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    The only difference is Dennis and Horace were missing. If that was what you were going for. Both of who wouldn’t be able guard Hakeem’s jock strap (despite being great defenders). Also, eww.

  • MikeC.

    The Bulls TEAM lost to the Magic TEAM that year. Chemistry and cohesion are huge factors in winning games. The Bulls team lost because the Magic team had been together longer and there was no answer to Shaq. Also, Nick Anderson stripped Jordan’s dribble near the end of the closeout game, denying Jordan the chance to do his typical Jordan heroics.

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Teddy: MJ played 17 reg. season games plus 10 playoff games. 27 in all. Everyone else went through a training camp, pre-season, and a full 82 game season. MJ was playing baseball while all of that was going on and it’s common knowledge that because he was wired for a different game, he wasn’t himself. So you citing his Playoff stats as evidence that he was the same MJ is revisionist history and I ain’t going.

  • 80y4n

    @Bryan i totally agree with you. I would like to elaborate more as 3pt was adopted in the nba in 78 if i recall right, and with it it was a completely different ball game. Wilt and others as great as they may be are beyond comparison with the players of the 80-90 era. Lets not go into training , nutritional habits, lifestyle etc. Plain rule change makes it so much different that one can make a distinct differentiation between eras.
    Also the rule change which disallowed the hand check, didnt do much good for players of today, allowing them to increase in muscle and weight thus slowing them down, and i find myself perceiving the stars of todays basketball as heavier, slower, diminished skills guys who cruise to the basket on the usual first step travelling move, which isnt called on a general principle.
    With the lack of decent tall players and the war zone in paint they are making the league combo guard championship and fans recognize it if you check the averages of Nielsen Rating. If you ask me what are the greatest centers of today, I would say Pau and who else? Dwight, hot-potato ball juggler? It isnt accidental that O`Neal who is a basketball dinosaur(with all the respect i have for him) was no.2 on the FG % list.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Bryan: So wait, what you’re telling me is that MJ, who played BETTER in the ’95 playoffs than in the year after when they won the championship (at least statistically by quite a lot), wasn’t the same? What? The Bulls lost because as a team they weren’t anywhere near as strong as the Magic, and were without anyone to stop Shaq from tearing their frontline apart. ’95 has been ignored by so many for so long that people are starting to believe that MJ missed 2 full years in the NBA, and that ’95 never happened. I don’t buy it. MJ played great basketball, his team lost. The Bulls, believe it or not, weren’t unbeatable.

  • 80y4n

    @JTaylor I have noticed you often go against the grain in your posts, not trying to accept and acknowledge and argument others provide.
    I said it before and i will repeat it again, Jordan is considered to be one of the best players who in the most physical era dominated against teams with great tall players, while playing in a team without one, as there is no team in modern basketball from the 80s onwards which accomplished that.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Now, the whole notion of disregarding ’95 as if the Magic DIDN’T beat the Bulls fair and square IS revisionist.

  • 80y4n

    @teddy the bear, 95 happened, but you obviously have no remote idea what is the meaning of preparation and training. He skipped individual preparation, not to mention team practice, to comeback after 2 year pause hitting the ball with a bat,and still be decent after he returned. If you have a favorite video game quit playing it for a month, youll see how good you are at it when you comeback. And you try to compare it to such a complex game basketball is, which includes every muscle of your body, dynamic combinatorics and all other whatnots.

  • JTaylor21

    @80y4n what more do you want me to say? I stated many times that MJ’s ONE of the greatest NOT the GOAT but it seems like that’s not enough for MJ fans, do you want me to put his name on a pedestal and parade it around town. Just because I disagree with everyone’s notion that MJs the GOAT (shout-outs The Philosopher) doesn’t mean that I hate dude. I’m a HUGE MJ fan but is one that respects what other greats accomplished also.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    I heart MJ and 90′s Bulls all-time. But chemistry issues or not, the Magic beat the Bulls that year. Magic took advantage of the Bulls’ somehow unfamiliarity to themselves, that’s CREDIT to the Magic. Knowing MJ and Scottie, I think they gave everything in what they have as they always do. Magic are the better team that year. Bulls are the better the next.

  • JTaylor21

    I don’t comprehend how people can say that MJ wasn’t in game shape when he put up better numbers in 95 playoffs compared to 96 playoffs. It makes no sense for an athlete of MJ’s caliber to not be prepared and make sure that he’s in game shape before he dives into the middle of an NBA season. MJ has too much pride and self-respect for him just to jump into the season like that if he didn’t feel he was physically and mentally prepared. The Bulls just got beat by a better team that year, it happened to the very best teams like the Pistons who lost to LA in 7 gms then came back the next year and swept them, same thing with 76ers who lost to LA then swept them the next year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000580635564 Bryan

    Being in game shape is one thing, but nothing can prepare you for the timing and game speed. And then everything changes in the playoffs and you have to readjust on the fly. After 17 games and what like a month? I don’t think he was at the top of his game just yet. And even if his ball skills were tip top, his timing and his instincts would still be off.

  • MikeC.

    Why is everyone acting like it was MJ alone vs. the Orlando Magic? MJ was MJ. He put up MJ numbers. His presence affected the rest of the Bulls team. They weren’t used to playing with him. The Magic were more familiar with each other and a more cohesive unit. If anything, we should all thank Orlando for knocking the Bulls out that year. It led to Michael and Scottie getting super-pissed, super-focused and a Bulls team that followed their lead and put a super-ass-whipping on the rest of the league the next season. Jordan didn’t play alone. As great as he was, there were still 4 other guys on the floor with him who weren’t used to playing with him.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Why are Bulls fans still making excuses? The Bulls lost in ’95. Mike WAS STILL MIKE. Scottie was STILL SCOTTIE. The only difference is, the Magic had the better team and beat them. Why is that so hard to understand? Why is that so hard to accept? People speak of ’95 as if Mike hadn’t returned from baseball yet. He was playing incredible basketball throughout the ’95 playoffs–get real.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    In other words co-sign JTaylor.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    People just h@te to admit that the Bulls couldn’t beat Orlando with a healthy Jordan, because it ruins the golden myth that Jordan could never be beaten in the ’90s, and that the Bulls only lost when he wasn’t playing. It ruins the perfect streak of 6 straight championships with Jordan in the line-up. It ruins his aggrandized, myth-like image as an unbeatable force. It’s bullsh!t.

  • larrylegend

    @Teddy:
    http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/issue-8-penny-hardaway.jpg

    for me this cover was a bit the change of an era…didn’t work out in 1996 and after. memory is short sometimes.

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    So if all of you guys want to sit there and act like my point isn’t valid due to MJ’s stats (which don’t prove anything in this argument) then explain to me why the following year when the Bulls had a “fully prepared” MJ this time around (the 72-10 season, making them the greatest team ever), broom the SAME Magic squad? Yeah, ’95 happened, but it was a fluke, and people conveniently have amnesia about what happened in ’96. If you want to give the Magic all these props for being the “better” squad (who ultimately got broomed buy Houston in the Finals) because they beat the Bulls with outfield Mike and not basketball Mike, then you guys are just being argumentative for the sake of it…and yes, still revisionists. Orlando WAS NOT the better team and EVERYBODY knows that wasn’t the same MJ and citing stats is a ridiculous way to try and prove that particular argument. MJ was a scorer, that’s what he did, so the ppg argument proves nothing. It’s a cop out to try and give Orlando props they don’t really deserve. What happened when MJ had a full offseason to train and get his body back into hooping mode, get his timing and rhythm for the game back, and go through training camp, preseason, etc.? He took the League over once again. This hate for MJ is unnerving… I’m done. Y’all know what it is, but you’d rather argue theories. I’m talking facts and that seems to be difficult for some to comprehend. FACT: a fully prepared MJ couldn’t be fu**ed with. If you don’t know that by now, then I don’t know what else to tell you. But, if you happen to run into any players who hooped against MJ in that era, if you think I’m lying, ask them. See what they tell you about The Man. Teddy, you disappoint me because I know that you know better.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @JT21: You said, “It makes no sense for an athlete of MJ’s caliber to not be prepared and make sure that he’s in game shape before he dives into the middle of an NBA season”
    Well, that’s exactly what happened and that’s exactly why the Bulls lost to the Magic, and that’s exactly why when he was prepared the next season, he kicked everybody’s…you know what it is.

  • http://slamonline.com mike

    No problem AllenP, i liked the writing man keep it up

  • Da Holy Karron

    im going to share this with my nba forum fam i made a thread kinda like this allenp u all good to me real talk u went hard on this and this list is deadly im most impressed indeed but shot out to scoop thats my mj of writers and allen ur lookin like kobe in the late 90′s early 00′s madd love not kobe of now yet tho hahaha but good joint

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Nice list… I wouldnt call him a “great” center of the 90s, but I would like to see a piece on Sam Perkins.. The 1st 3-point shooting center, unless someone knows a center before him?

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers bryan

    Bossterry: Bill Laimbeer. also co sign everything Bryan Crawford. And I’m a Knick fan who HATED Jordan.

  • http://dfsjklf.com Jukai

    Divac over Daugherty. Outside of that, great list. I mean, Allenp lists are damn near perfect. Truly great.

  • http://dfsjklf.com Jukai

    The truth is somewhere between Bryan and Teddy.
    Jordan wasn’t in game shape. No way. Baseball training is way different than basketball: heavier legs, more burst speed, way less stamina. To say that Jordan was in full game shape is foolish. On par with that is that the team was just not used to playing with Jordan— once they got used to that, they won 72 games.
    But to say that the Magic beating the Bulls was a fluke takes away the Magic’s accomplishments. They beat the Bulls. They beat Jordan. There were FACTORS that lead to the Bulls losing, but they lost, and it wasn’t a fluke.
    I will NEVER let people use the term ‘fluke’ for a basketball game because I’ve been criticized so many times for saying the Spurs championship in 2007 was a fluke. No win is a fluke. Every win is earned. The Lakers win this year isn’t a fluke because Perkins was out for game 7. The Celtics win in 2008 wasn’t a fluke because the Lakers didn’t have Andrew Bynum. No flukes in basketball.

  • JTaylor21

    @BCrawford, are you one of those people that have an asterisk next to the Rockets 2 chips because MJ wasn’t playing? Just curious because if the Magic beat the Bulls in 95 then got swept by the Rockets doesn’t it mean that the rockets would have beaten the Bulls if they had somehow met each other in the finals. I just believe that the rockets were the best team in 95 and that the Bulls would’ve lost to them regardless of MJ being in game shape or not.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Bryan Crawford: The same MJ beat the Magic the following year because they had DENNIS RODMAN and a better TEAM. They had someone who could DEFEND the middle and REBOUND. They didn’t even have Horace Grant in ’95–they played AGAINST him. I understand what you’re saying, that MJ was unstoppable. The thing is, he WAS unstoppable in that ’95 series but they still lost. His team just wasn’t as good as the Magic, therefore he and the Bulls lost.
    He was the best player in the league for a while before ’95, wasn’t he? Tell me then, why he never won a chip until his 7th year?
    No team is completely unstoppable given the right match-ups and situations. One of those situations, as you’ve pointed out, was MJ coming back late in the season (despite playing incredibly well). Another one of those situations was the Magic owning them in the paint… I mean it’s prime (athletically) Shaq right there.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    No one superstar, no matter how good, can prevent his team from losing to a better, more well-rounded team that also has more than one superstar on it.
    Sure, the team wasn’t AS used to playing with Jordan as before. But without Jordan they wouldn’t have lasted 6 games.

  • The Philosopher

    Great write up Allenp. Rolling along.
    @Bryan Crawford:
    Wilt Chamberlain personally asked Michael Jordan if he thought he was the best of all time.
    Jordan said yes.
    Wilt did not take too kindly to that.
    I do not think Wilt Chamberlain took that as being politically correct. I could be wrong, though.

  • http://sdfklflc.com Jukai

    The Philosopher: Where did you hear that? Can you cite that?

  • The Philosopher

    It was during an interview, and then Wilt went on to proclaim how Connie Hawkins could do all the things Michael could do.
    How Elgin could do all the things Michael can do.
    It was really interesting.

  • http://sdfklflc.com Jukai

    That sounds interesting, but I can’t find anything about that…

  • reflex

    ‘most folks don’t know that Mourning averaged 20 and 10 with 3 blocks his rookie year’

    I for one didn’t know this & am pleasantly surprised, did he win ROY? if not who did, insane stats for a Rook. Shaq’s rookie #s were similarly dope but are less surprising to me as he was a guy who had legitimate talent to be the GOAT.

  • reflex

    also, re Jordan, he IS the goat, but he wasn’t infallible, let’s not rewrite history in order to paper over any failings he may have had.

  • http://sdfklflc.com Jukai

    Reflex: Shaq and Alanzo came into the L the same year. You know both their rookie stats, who do you think won it?

  • reflex

    @jukai: Lebron?

  • reflex

    didn’t realise Zo & Shaq came into the league together, a fine year to draft a big

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’ll weigh in on the Hakeem vs. Bulls argument since Myles and I had this discussion recently.
    I think Hakeem clearly had a huge advantage over Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman or anybody else the Bulls had guarding him.
    But, the Bulls would have had massive advantages at the two and three, and their advantages would have had mroe impact on both ends in my opinion.
    I think Hakeem was good enough to go head to head with Jordan. But, his team wasn’t as good as Jordan’s team. Remember, Jordan and Pippen were probably the two best players overall at their positions int he league, and arguably the two best plaers period at that time. They would have locked down Drexler, Smith or Maxwell, forcing Hakeem to try to beat the Bulls all by himself, which would have been fairly difficult with either Rodman or Grant guarding him.
    But, I would have loved to have seen it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh and this is assuming Jordan never retires, not considering the situation where he did retire.

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000580635564 Bryan

    I’ll say this and stick by it, if we had Zo instead of Ewing in the 90′s the Knicks would have one at least one title.

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000580635564 Bryan

    wow. *Won. Sorry fighting with the gf while I type this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000580635564 Bryan

    won*

  • Mr. Robinson

    @Bryan: Dont breathe! Don’t disagree! Don’t agree! No matter what you do or dont do, you’ll go to jail! Just take it.
    Then you STILL might go to jail!

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000580635564 Bryan

    Not physical, just shouting.

  • Mr. Robinson

    Don’t shout either!
    You’ll GO TO THE CLINK!!!!!!!
    Don’t whisper either. She’ll take as sarcasm!
    YOU’LL GO 2 THE CLINK!!!

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