Friday, October 15th, 2010 at 2:21 pm  |  136 responses

Just A ‘Dream’

An in-depth look at why Olajuwon would not have defeated Jordan in the Finals.

by Bryan Crawford / @_BryanCrawford

It seems that ever since Michael Jordan was elected into the Hall of Fame almost two years ago, and after delivering his infamous induction speech that was neither humble nor gracious and instead made him seem like a belligerent bully, it changed people’s perception of the gentleman that Nike and Gatorade told us he was and all of sudden being “Like Mike” meant being an arrogant and insufferable a-hole instead of the best basketball player who ever lived.

Since then, shots have been taken at Jordan the man (he’s an old has been whose time is up) and at Jordan “The Legend” (he wouldn’t be able to do this or that in today’s NBA) and there has been what seems to be sort of an underground movement to attempt to “demystify” the MJ mystique.

Fifteen years ago, you would find almost no opposition to anyone holding to the belief that Jordan was the greatest basketball player who ever lived. Hell, five years ago you couldn’t find anyone to say that he wasn’t the GOAT. But since that fateful day in Springfield, MA, the love that people once had foMichael Jordan & Hakeem Olajuwonr Jordan began to fade, questions were raised, and the “what ifs” started.

The latest “what if” concerning MJ is this: What if Michael Jordan had not briefly retired from basketball to try his hand at being a professional baseball player, would he (or could he) have led the Chicago Bulls to an unprecedented eight-straight NBA titles during the ‘90s?

The notion of the Bulls winning eight straight seems ridiculous now, unlike before, to some people – many of whom reside outside of Chicago – and lately there has been a lot of speculation that had Jordan’s Bulls and Hakeem Olajuwon’s Rockets met in the NBA Finals, Olajuwon could’ve potentially defeated Jordan for the NBA crown. The primary base of logic for this line of thinking is that for all of Jordan’s accomplishments as a professional, he never had to go up against a “dominant” center to win any of his titles.

Hakeem Olajuwon is without question the best big man I’ve ever seen, but the question that no one ever seems to ask when making that assertion is this: As good as Olajuwon was, why wasn’t he leading his team to the NBA Finals during the same time that Jordan did? That’s not a knock on Hakeem, but a legitimate question that people need to ask themselves before engaging in this debate.

It’s not like there weren’t multiple opportunities for Hakeem to try and knock MJ off his pedestal in the NBA Finals.

During the Bulls two three-peat championship runs in ’91-93 and ’96-98, Olajuwon’s Rockets lost in the first and second round of the Playoffs twice, made it to the Western Conference Finals once, and missed the postseason altogether in ‘92. In fact, Hakeem’s playoff resume since coming into the NBA is littered with first and second round playoff exits. So all of a sudden people are making assumptions that Dream would’ve knocked off Jordan for a ring? I don’t think so.

And I’d be remiss for not saying this, but the fact that the Rockets had the best record against the Bulls of any other team in the ’90s means nothing. The teams only met twice a year and the Finals are a different animal entirely.

If Michael Jordan is considered to be the most dominant player of his era, then Olajuwon is holding down the No. 2 spot for sure. If Jordan is considered to be the best player at his position during the ‘80s and ‘90s, then Olajuwon is clearly wearing the crown for the best center during the same time period. Year after year he destroyed some of the best big men of his time from David Robinson, Alonzo Mourning, Patrick Ewing, and a young Shaquille O’Neal. His dominance among centers was inarguable, but the theory that his squad could’ve defeated MJ’s, is.

Both players came into the NBA at the same time and by the end of their careers there was no doubt in anyone’s mind that they couldn’t be f***ed with. By anybody. But I think the angst that people hold against Jordan now and especially against those who are still hardcore fans, has caused some people to talk as if they fell and bumped their heads or something.

I mean, come on, this is Michael freaking Jordan we’re talking about, people.

Yes, I’m a hardcore Jordan and Chicago Bulls fan, but that doesn’t mean that I can’t lay aside my personal biases and take an objective look at this ridiculous theory and debunk it with actual evidence. So let’s take a closer look…

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  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’m not done reading it, but before I finish I feel the need to point out that “eight straight titles” would not be unprecented. The Celtics did it from 1959 – 1966.

  • vjiai

    well jordan is even more the myth he is because he retired came back, retired again then scored 40 some points…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Enigmatic: Word. I should’ve added unprecedented in the “modern era.”

  • JTaylor21

    You can’t say that there’s no way that Hakeem could have beaten MJ because remember that the Bulls NEVER faced a true GREAT center in the finals and lost to Shaq’s Magic in the 95 ECF and we all know that Hakeem was better than Shaq at that moment. Who on the bulls could have slowed down Hakeem and if they double-teamed him, the rockets had knock-down shooters around him. It would have been a great match-up and the rockets had a GREAT chance of beating the Bulls. I do kind of hold it against Kareem for NOT being able to make it to the Finals when MJ was playing.

  • http://www.edthesportsfan.com Ed The Sports Fan

    Man, this is a DIRECT response to Free Darko’s post lol…nice.

  • JTaylor21

    By the way GREAT article BCrawford.

  • http://slamonline.com Nella

    Great read. That hiatus Jordan had is a great “what if” time in the NBA, especially considering how well they did in 93-94 without him. I remember Pip balling out of control that year, and that ridiculous call in the Knicks series. We were so spoiled in the Chi that we couldn’t even comprehend anything less than a title. It was surreal watching the Knicks move on.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    GREAT article, BC. And I agree 100%, no way the Rockets would’ve beaten the Bulls had they met in the finals those two years. Olajuwan would’ve done his thing, but Pippen and Jordan would’ve “dual-handedly” shut down all their perimeter players. People just don’t know how beastly the Bulls were on defense, especially in the playoffs. In my opinion, the Utah Jazz were the best team the Bulls went up against in the Finals, and that would still be the case if the Bulls had gone up against the Rockers.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    If Jordan didn’t retire, would the Bulls have felt the need to sign Rodman? If not, could they have won Chips 6-8?

  • B-rad

    OK so lets first get this out of the way Jordan was not the GOAT maybe at his position but not best player of all time I got to go with Bill “”11 Championships” Russsel on that one. Or if you want to go with second how about Wilt Chamberlin the guy scored 100 points in a game with out that help of the three point line I don’t care if you are playing against little kids that is still amazing and he once led the league in assists as a centre just because he decided he wanted to. I have been saying this for years even when Jordan was dominating. It did not take Jordan speech to make him come accross as a bully or selfish watching him play would have shown you that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Love it.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @JT21: The point is not in slowing Hakeem down, but stopping everyone else. Besides, he’s only one guy. Who on the Rockets would’ve held Jordan and Pippen in check? I’ll wait…

  • Mustafa

    1. Olajuwon didn’t reach the finals between 91-93 because he simply didn’t have good enough support. Olajuwon was probably the NBA superstar whose talent was wasted the most. Between 87-92 it was literally Hakeem and 5 dudes off the street. Compare that to Jordan, whose team almost made the conference finals without him in 1994.

    2. Where was MJ in 1995? He lost to the same team that Hakeem SWEPT. And don’t say he was rusty, because MJ still dropped 55 on the Knicks and averaged over 31 ppg in the playoffs.

    3. I don’t know who would’ve won between Hakeem and MJ in the finals, I think MJ would have better odds in 1994, while Hakeem would have the upper hand in 1995. But to argue that MJ somehow was a “lock” is simply absurd. Just because people don’t treat MJ literally like a god and don’t worship at his alter, it doesn’t mean we’re trying to tear him down.

    MJ fans are too sensitive.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Ryne: I think Chicago still goes after Rodman. They missed Ho Grant so badly and “Crumbs” was no dummy.

  • JTaylor21

    BCrawford, you gonna be waiting forever because no one could stop both guys. I’m NOT saying that the Rockets would definitely beat the bulls but what I’m saying is that it wouldn’t have being a walk in the park for the Bulls. Just like every other bulls finals opponents except for the 91 lakers it would have gone to 6gms maybe even 7 and we all know that anything is possible in Gm7s.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Mustafa: Apparently, the only “sensitive” ones are those who refuse to accept the truth about Jordan’s greatness and dominance. This isn’t “hero worship,” just basketball facts.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @JT21: I acknowledged as much with regard to ’94 and I said that in 7 games, I’m gonna take Jordan. No way he let’s a first time Finals team knock him after he’s won 3-straight already.

  • http://twitter.com/soulonice6 Kenny

    It all goes back to the fact that Jordan, when in the NBA Finals, never lost. I thought the only team that coulda beat the Bulls was Phoenix, and then I went back and watched that series again, and realize I was out of my damn mind.

    It just isn’t safe to bet against MJ in those days, because the man never lost. The Bulls went against a different make-up of teams repeatedly, and they always prevailed. Once MJ made The Finals, he never lost again.

    Those are facts and really can’t be disputed. As much as I love The Dream, and hell; Crawford even says he loves The Dream, the reality is it isn’t safe to bet against MJ and the Bulls.

  • Mustafa

    Also, its simply not good enough to say “the Bulls had 24 fouls to give on Olajuwon”. Thats not how basketball works. Firstly, you still have to guard him between those fouls. Secondly, you don’t think somebody as good as Olajuwon can’t work around throwing a few useless bodies his way? And thirdly, you don’t think other teams tried that same tactic?

  • Mustafa

    @BryanCrawford : When did I claim Jordan wasn’t great? You’re the one that crying about Jordan not getting enough love. There simply is not enough logic in your arguments. You claim that the Bull’s bigs would slow Hakeem down, and the tactic you mentioned is the same one that the Knicks tried, and failed at. And the Knicks had much better bigs than Perdue/Wennington etc etc. You bring no evidence, just your fandom.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Mustafa: Uhm, the game of basketball does work that way. Obviously, you can’t just hack him every single time and guys do have to legitimately try and guard him. Again, the point isn’t to stop him because you couldn’t, but just to slow him down by throwing different looks at him. That’s basketball. And to answer your last question, how many teams had three 7-footers to throw at him in the Finals or in the Playoffs? Look it up. I’ll wait…

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Cosign the write-up. Great read Bryan.

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com CHICAGO SAID IT YUP

    i always say to rocket fans and many other doubters, well what the hell happen to the rockets in 91 92 93 96 97 98?? Its no coincidence the rockets won the 2 years jordan didnt play.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Mustafa: I’m bringing no evidence just fandom? OK. And who are these “better” bigs that the Knicks had? Did they have three 7-footers on their roster in ’95? I’ll wait on that one too…

  • JTaylor21

    BCrawford to think that MJ wouldn’t lose to a first-time finals team after winning 3chips in a row is asinine. No team in the modern era had ever won 4 straight chips, even GREAT teams like the 80s Celts and Lakers who were better overall teams than the 90s bulls were not able to even win more than 2chips in a row. It’s DAMN near impossible no matter how great MJ/Pip were that the bulls would have won 8 in a row. The 90s bulls were good but they weren’t 60s Celts good.

  • Mustafa

    @BryanCrawford: Why do you need height to hack and slow Hakeem down, as you say? The knicks alternated between Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason, and Patrick Ewing to try wear Hakeem Down. They were all powerful, and good defenders. They even threw a little Charles Smith his way. I’d take that group any freaking day over Chicago’s stiffs, I don’t care how tall they are.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Mustafa: So you’re speaking from a personal perspective and not from sound basketball logic while at the same time accusing me of using fandom and not logic. OK… Also, this isn’t a one-on-one matchup. Dream would’ve gotten his, I acknowledged as much, but what would the Rockets have done against Jordan, Pippen, etc. Again, Hakeem is only one guy and better than all of the Chicago big men — which I also acknowledged — but quite frankly, the Bulls just had more talent top to bottom.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @JT21: Asinine? Name one time that the Bulls lost to a first-time Finals team? If you think it wouldn’t have or couldn’t have happened, that’s fine. But there wasn’t a team in the NBA that could’ve knocked them off. Hell, the Jazz were better top to bottom than the Rockets were and they couldn’t even do it. No, he wasn’t a center, but was Karl Malone not a “dominant” post player like Olajuwon? Additionally, was John Stockton not better than any PG the Bulls had on their roster?

  • Mustafa

    @BryanCrawford : I’m speaking from fact, the Knicks were the best interior defenders in the league. The proof is in the pudding. And as far as talent, Jordan had more talent for sure. But sometimes its about matchups and Hakeem was the perfect person to exploit the Bulls’ weaknesses. I already acknowledged that they might have lost in both 94 and 95, but they very well could have won. You’re the one thats precluding the possibility of the Rockets winning. I honestly say its a toss up. But the notion that Jordan would have 8 rings if he didn’t retire is just fanciful thinking. Jordan was without a doubt great, but he had a ton of luck and some talented squads to achieve 6 rings.

  • Mustafa

    @BryanCrawford : One more thing, Jordan NEVER played against a player with a killer instinct like Olajuwon in the Finals. Karl Malone was great, but lets be honest he crumbled in crucial moments. He was a big choker. Olajuwon was one of the best playoff performers in the history of the game, much like Jordan.

  • Mustafa

    @BryanCrawford: One more thing, Jordan NEVER played against someone with a killer instinct like Olajuwon’s in the finals. Karl Malone was great, but lets be honest, he was a choker. Olajuwon was one of the all time great playoff performers, much like Jordan.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Facts: the bulls, with mike, lost to the magic in 95, the same magic that the rockets swept. Yes mike wasnt there all season, but he played great and so did his team. Hakeem made it to the finals in 86, in his second season, and came fairly close to beating the celtics in birds supermvp years. Shortly after that, his team was full of bums until 93. Rockets won titles in 94 and 95. Your argument that 7footers fouling hakeem would have worn him down is just stupid. Hes dealt with just that his whole career. He ate up 7foot chumps. Hakeem made fts, he wasnt snaq. either hakeem was scoring, shooting fts, or passing to horry, sam, elie, etc for ope shots. Same could be said for bulls too, but rockets had advantage of offense operating from the post. IF they would have met, the series would have depended on role players making shots. Id have to give a slight advantage to rockets shooters. But, it didnt happen. Bulls with mike lost to the magic, and magic lost to the rockets. So, it doesnt matter, cuz bulls had a chance to make this matchup happen, and they couldnt beat orlando. Now, a reasonable person would say that if mike hadnt retired, things would have happened differently. Maybe they lose 94 finals, maybe they win. Maybe ho grant stays, maybe kukoc comes a year later, maybe rodman never comes, maybe jordan retires in 96, maybe for good.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Mustafa: For the last time, you’re still singularly focued on Olajuwon and I think it’s clear that we both agree that he would’ve gotten his against Chicago. I only referenced a strategy that the Bulls could’ve employed but by no means did I make any sort of declaration that it would’ve stopped or slowed Hakeem down. But did I not also break down each team’s roster in this debate as well? So please tell me who would’ve stopped Pippen, Jordan, Kukoc, etc? And given that the Bulls were usually rated #1 in defense with Jordan, which players on the Rockets would’ve gotten off with Pippen and Jordan roaming the perimeter with an ability to cover from the corner to the top of the key on both sides of the floor?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Tarzan: So it’s the Bulls fault that we never got to see CHI/HOU in the Finals even though the Bulls made 6 Finals appearances? Funny how that works.

  • mister8

    @bryan you are right but are you telling you would pick cartwright, purdue and williams over ewing, oakley and mason???
    Oh en people saying wilt was the greatest…he had no hart man, and wasn’t the “killer” Jordan was. That stuff matters, same reason guys like derrick coleman never amounted to nothing.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Tarzan: And the fact that you acknowledge that MJ wasn’t there the whole season invalidates everything you had to say after. How many other teams had a guy just for 17 regular season games and 10 playoff games when everyone else was played a full season? I understand that we’re talking about Jordan, but now you’re just being unrealistic. Yeah, he scored a lot of points, but that’s what he did. And the Bulls almost beat the Magic were it not for his turnover. But I’ve said this to you before, what happened when MJ played a full season and not less than a quarter of one?

  • namik

    If one were to follow your logic, the Blazers and Kings would have ruled the NBA chips at the turn of the millennium instead of the Lakers and Spurs. Straight up, Jordan himself admitted he had lost his edge and much vaunted killer instinct after the first 3 peat. It took an embarrassing loss to Orlando and incessant talk of how he was done to rev it into a whole another gear for the second 3 peat. As great as Jordan was (the greatest), I highly doubt that even he could have kept the squad motivated for eight straight seasons. And that’s not to factor in a whole lot of variables(like Rodman as someone mentioned) which you completely ignore here. Simply adding Jordan’s “greatness” to the mix at each point and pronouncing the Bulls winners seems like a very thin argument. Either way, I do think that this would have been a great series.

  • mister8

    Oh…and I absolutly loved Jordan’s speech…

  • JTaylor21

    BCrawford, you have to agree that given the fact the Rockets SWEPT the same team that beat the bulls in 95, the rockets would have beaten the bulls had they met in the finals that year. Its just the law of averages, the Rockets were the BEST team in 95 and there was a strong possibility that they could have handed the Bulls their only final series defeat.

  • namik

    How many times did Jordan make the Finals before he got a great team around him? Was he lucky to have extremely durable teammates and to a higher degree, blessed with the great luck to avoid injury? If you’re going to hold the Rockets inability to be consistent against Hakeem, yes you’re right. And btw what exactly was Jordan’s role in Hakeem not making the Finals? Last I checked they played in different conferences right?

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Co-sign, mister8

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @namik: You said, “Jordan himself admitted he had lost his edge and much vaunted killer instinct after the first 3 peat.” Let’s not use a partial quote just to make a point. That’s “thin.” His statement was made in reference to his fathers death which he has cited on many occasions as the reason he lost his passion for basketball and pursued baseball in the first place. So one could argue that had his father not been murdered, he never would’ve walked away from basketball and he would’ve continued dominating the NBA the way that he did.

  • namik

    My man, the quote I was referring to was the one where he said that he told Phil that he felt he had run out of things to prove, challenges etc. That baseball presented a new challenge. Of course, there are the theories about his father and the circumstances surrounding his passing, but I’m sticking to the “official” version here.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @namik: I’d argue that it was more coaching and the triangle offense that helped them get to the title as opposed to teammate issues. Also, I never said Jordan had anything to do with Hakeem not making the Finals, I just asked where was Hakeem and the Rockets when Jordan was making it to the Finals annually.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @namik: You’re reaching. Everyone knows that he left basketball for baseball because of his father.

  • namik

    Jordan talking about his first retirement at the press conference-

    “”I’ve reached the pinnacle,” he tells the world. “I always said to the people that have known me that when I lose that sense of motivation and that sense that I can prove something, it’s time for me to leave.”

    He pauses. He looks out at the crowd of reporters. He looks down. “It was just a matter of waiting until this time, when basketball was near, to see if my heart ticked for it,” he says. “I went through all the different stages of getting myself prepared for the next year, but the desire … was not there.”

  • namik

    Bryan- I quoted the guy himself. I have no idea what I’m reaching for. He said that he planned on retiring even before what happened with his father and had talked to him about it.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @namik: So you’re going to Youtube his retirement speech and use a “prepared,” PC statment that he didn’t even write as evidence that he was done with basketball at 30yrs old while conveniently glossing over the fact that his fathers death rocked him, forcing him into baseball, to which he then quit to return to basketball, only to retire again, and then come back, again, and then give a scathing HOF speech showing us all who he really was? Yeah, OK…

  • namik

    Yeah… I’d rather hear what a person has to say instead of trying to psycho analyze him and try to sell my personal theories as facts. Pretending that you have some sort of inside line to Jordan’s thought process is hilarious. “Reaching” pretty much captures it perfectly.

  • CONEY ISLANDER

    THOSE BULLS WERE ON PACE TO WIN 8 IN A ROW.

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