Post Up: Monta Goes Off

Glad to see CP3 doing what he does best, which is being the best pg in the world. A lot of you were quick to dismiss him last year when he was hurst (even though he was a monster the first 10 games of the season, look it up, obscene numbers).

late to the party

cosign @allenp and @bryan crawford all day.

especially about that assist to gibson rose had. i do disagree about him not having the court vision, although his 4th quarter was really sloppy. but i can’t tell you how many times ive yelled at the tv cuz kirk, deng, or jo screwed up a beautiful assist for rose last year.

Eboy, I don’t comment often, but you are so hypocritical I just had to say something. You always complain about people hating, then you come in here with your biased opinion about westbrook. You obviously didn’t watch the game and looked at a box score, then being as smart as you are, decided to make yet another asinine comment. Which as everyone agrees, we just can’t get enough of.

Rose got into foul trouble early, and was taken out a good chunk of time from the third to fourth. Guarantee it would be a bulls W sans that happening. The reason he forced so many shots, was because his team couldn’t buy a bucket. I also guarantee you still ask any GM in the league who they would take for PG and they’d pick Rose over Westbrook 24/7 365.

Finally, why do you hate Rose so much? All the advert love he’s getting? Sorry i’m pretty sure no one wants to see a commercial with Russel “Alien Face” Westbrook. Maybe if we make first contact, then he could be useful to make the aliens feel comfortable.

Another crying Bulls fan? So making fun of dude’s appearance makes your opinion better than anyone else’s? You can’t hate on how the dude played his game last night, but you mock his appearance? I pointed out what I felt were Rose’s shortcoming’s last night. It’s a forum to discuss how people feel about the game(s). Perhaps it’s better you stay silent and just keep reading.

The clippers will be a playoff team if they just get the damn ball inside every single play because I think that they have the best and most versatile front-line in the entire league. BGriff can handle the rock, has a good jumpshot, consistent beats his man off the dribble, can pass the ball real well, possess unlimted stamina and finishes around the basket with ease. Kaman has one of the best post games, can finish with either hand, has a good mid-range game and is a very good shot-blocker. Only if the Clipper guards weren’t such ball hogs especially BDavis who thinks he still got the juice. I never taught I would be so happy to watch the clippers play but from now on I will watch EVERY single clipper game even more than the lakers.

I’m a little confused with some of the apologist of D.Rose.

I keep hearing people say “Deng can’t create” etc.

Okay. That argument works (maybe) on why Chicago loses or why D.Rose lacks help.

But it certainly doesn’t work with why he lacks assist. Most assist result in a quick layup or shots. That’s the exact kind of basket that people “who can’t create” really need.

So I think that’s a terrible excuse for Rose and it’s more of a condemnation, cause that’s who great point guards help. It’s their team mates that can’t create or it helps the ones that can create score easy buckets. Isn’t that what point guards are for?

Rose’s pace, leadership, angles, passing and scoring opportunities could make he and his team mates look good if he could master this.

If he did, then people outside of Chicago would have higher regard from Gibson, Deng, Noah, etc. on Chicago. Then we’d be calling them overrated from how good Rose makes them look.

Lastly. Many Chicago fans did not want Carmelo, cause they we’re afraid he would take away scoring from Rose. WTF? Is he a point guard or Dwayne Wade (who’s a better passer and more under control than Rose)? And those Chicagoan’s that wanted him, didn’t want to get rid of Noah? WTF2?

I guess they really didn’t want Carmelo??

Big mistake. Rose is a point guard not a undersized shooting guard playing the point!

And he’s far from the 12 best player in the NBA Dime. Rose is a tweener!

We’ve tried the tweener experiment many times in the NBA’s past (Steve Francis, Chris Jackson, Stephon Marbury, Gilbert Arena’s etc.).

First game for both teams. Chicago will get better and the Thunder are just getting started. I’ll assess who the better point guard is out of the two when we get a couple games down for both.

I have no agenda against Rose, but if dudes can hate on Lebron for being a quitter or a failure or a non-complete player, I’m sure as hell able to state the same about a guy who on this site, is being touted as being one of the top three point guards in the game. Which he is not. BTW, if I head to my local Walgreens for the Midol, can you hook me with a store discount, or get me a case from your stockboy position?

never caught too many knicks games, but you guys were right. david lee’s interior d is terrible. chuck hayes was going off on the warrior frontcourt in the first half. he was their leading scorer at one point, both a problem and i guess a good thing.
the dubs looked really fluid. the ball was moving around, everyone was getting great looks. and monta was on FIRE. 18-24 as a perimeter player is ridiculous. at some points, he was posting shane battier up, and shane couldn’t do anything about it! monta ellis officially has the support of the bay once again. he and curry will be a huge problem for backcourts.

@ Allen P.

You wrote some great things.

Unfortunately, unless Rose improves his Point guard and leadership skills I’m afraid he’ll always be an enigma. It’s like fools gold.

A lot of people get excited about his potential scoring. But what he brings to the game (that gets people so excited) is nothing new. Been there before and tried it already (N.Robinson, S.Francis, C. Jackson. Arena’s, Iverson, etc.). The list goes on and on.

Historically undersized off guards that play the point guard position, are usually very exciting to watch; but ultimately very disappointing (see the above list).

There lost in between two positions, and help no one really at either. When Rose plays point, he doesn’t pass, play defense and lead well enough. And when he plays two guard, he doesn’t shoot, defend or rebound well enough.

His best hope is to be like a Tim Hardaway or Kevin Johnson. Both of these guys were point guards in the truest sense, though they were great scorers and lacked the innate natural passing skills of a Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas, Jason Kidd, Mark Jackson or Rajon Rondo.

But nonetheless Tim Hardway knew his role and averaged 10 assist a game (though he was a great shooter, scorer and could break you down from the dribble). Johnson, was more of a speed guy that could break you down and pass. Both he and Hardaway usually averaged 18-22 points a game and 9-11 assist a game.

Unless he finds his niche. Rose will just be another of a litany of undersized two guards that just happened to play the point guard position that ultimately makes their team mates and fans unhappy after initial (though misguided)excitement and jubilation.

It’s not hate. It’s just history!

PS: The other role that Rose can have (though no one now will ever consider it), if/when he fails being a point or an off guard, is a Vinnie “Microwave Johnson type. Johnson type player/role. Boston’s trying to do that with Nate Robinson now.

That’s usually where the value is for undersized two guards playing the point guard position.

Now of course Rose can improve and I hope he does. But people his size (6’1″) that play his type of game usually can’t win. And it’s telling that neither Lebron, Wade or Carmelo ended up in Chicago and Bulls fans were worried about Rose not being the lead scorer and giving up a effort guy like Noah for a skill guy like Carmelo.

6’1″ players should never be your leading scorers. And when they do they better average 11 assist a game like Tim Hardaway or Isiah Thomas and provide leadership!

^Uhm…..WTF? Woah.

@JTaylor21: Somebody must have literally been rubbing you the wrong way. Because it seems you have missed the whole point. You should practice your love-making technique as much as DRose should practice his jumpshot. Then one you will see that good sex can easily outlast a game. Rookie…

I really don’t hate the dude. Seriously. I just like some other PG’s games better and he’s not really a “true” point guard to me. People should stop trying to make him that. He’s a scoring one. Maybe with the most ability to do just that then every other PG, but that doesn’t make him complete. That’s my only argument.

Luis Scola – 34/16. Four boards from a 30/20. Can we have a few more people rave over his stat line?!? 34/16!!!

B-Ball Maestro
Your points have some validity, but might I point you in the direction of Tony Parker.
Thanks.

JoeMama
He was playing against GSW and David Lee.
Nuff said.

I agree, and I noted that yesterday.

I’m not into point guards that shoot first then pass. Rose is too much. Why can’t more pg be like Rondo…

Lisbon
I’m frustrated at bad basketball and that’s what the Clippers played. Blake Griffin looked like a hungry unstoppable monster, and they refused to just find ways to get him the ball. I don’t watch much college basketball, so I didn’t appreciate the force dude was, but after those dunks and whatnot, I wanted to see him touch the ball on every possession. Instead, I was forced to watch Baron Davis over dribble and jack up ridiculous layups while Chris Kaman shot contested jumpers. It made me angry and it made the Great Hubie Brown angry. That’s all it was.

One game guys chill out with the career proclamations of Rose. 8 new players on the Bulls versus a team that has played 3 years together in the best home court in the NBA. Chemistry doesn’t happen overnight so they’ll figure out the shot distribution in due time. Go OKC!!!!

Monta seems like a potential MVP candidate that’s his second 40 point game. He scored 40 in the last game of the preseason against the lakers.

5 of the day: PG-RWestbrook; SG-Monta; PF-BGriffin; PF-Hickson; C-Scola.

The comments got REALLY WEIRD today.

Hey Allen.

If you re-read what I wrote, I said “shoot first point guards don’t win anything, unless they average 10, 11 assist”.

Saying Tony Parker was the point guard of the San Antonio Spurs when the won the title is almost like saying BJ Armstrong was with the Bulls. He was a good player. But not the best on the team.

Isiah was a shoot first point guard, but he also led the league (or close) many times in assist. So I don’t have any problems with Isiah.

I’ll repeat. I don’t have any problem with shoot first point guards if they average a lot of assist (or as you said It’s a bad thing when you can’t figure out how to get your shots and get other people their shots”).

There’s a reason why. Because when your leading scorer is under 6’4″ it usually hurts your team.

I love the Tim Hardaway’s, Kevin Johnson’s, Isiah’s, Tiny Archibald etc. Those guys were great! But they got their team mates involved or saw the open shot.

It’s the shoot first guards, that want to dominate the ball that don’t set their team mates up thats the problem.

Shoot! What’s Frazier and Clyde could pass!

I have a better question. As great a scorers as they were, what was the legacy of Gilbert Arena’s, Chris Jackson, Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Allen Iverson, etc. Aren’t their tarnished ones, with out deep playoff success?

See when little guys, start to shoot too much (unless their supremely talented or get their teammates involved), they create way too much dissension and hurt the team with rebounding, lack of fouls (or injuries if they do go to the hole too often),