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Monday, November 1st, 2010 at 1:35 pm  |  53 responses

Hawks Extend Al Horford: 5 Years, $60 Million

The AJC reports that after months of negotiations, Atlanta and their young forward have reached an agreement: “Hawks and Al Horford agree to terms on 5 year $60 mil contract extension. Incentives still to be negotiated.”

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  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    seems like a lot

  • http://slamonline.com mike

    same as his boy Joakim – the Gators are doin alright

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Damn…the hawks are handed out money like it ain’t nothing.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Josh Smith/Jordan Crawford for Melo.

  • ENDS

    Damn! Well at least my paisano is getting paid. Dominican Rep. Stand Up.

  • jim

    Who are you, Kap?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Why do you ask?

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    TOTALLY DESERVED, one of the best young bigs around

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He’s better than Noah and David Lee and that’s what they got.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Jsmoove will be expecting a nice extension

  • http://Mrjones21901@aol.com Run’n'Gun219

    allen is he better than noah and Dave? really

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You don’t think so? Way better defender than Lee, way better offensive player than Noah. Not only Noah’s level defensively, but still very good for his position and size. Not on Lee’s level as a rebounder, but again, very good for his size.
    If I was a GM I’d rather have him than both of them until Noah figures out how to score on isos. Then I’d take Noah.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    I’ll take Noah every day of the week vs giving an 6’9″ center $12 mil per. Al averaged only 3 more points per game than Noah last year. And that was with Noah playing gimped up most of the year.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Al Horford is a power forward playing center. He’s playing out of position because that’s what his team needs, but he projected as a four.
    He is without a doubt a far superior scorer than Noah, I don’t care what the difference is in points. He has dependable moves with his back to the basket and is wet on the face up jumper. He knows how to isolate and face up and what to do with the rock when he does it.
    Noah is a better rebounder and defender, but the difference is not gaping, while the scoring difference is. Besides, i said that if Noah improves as a scorer, which is not a given, I would rather have him because then he would be superior at more things. But, right now, I think Horford is better, and his salary is perfect considering his contemporaries.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    This is a great value for Atlanta. As was Noah for Chicago.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    I agree that Al has the ability to do a lot more on the offensive end, but you can’t ignore that the end result was still only 3 more points a game. At the end of the day you’re paying them for their production, not the potential/ability. I’d be much more supportive of this signing if they didn’t just sign Johnson too. Because like you said, if you’re truly going to get the most out of Hortford he should be playing the 4. Which means the Hawks would have to go out and sign a center. That’s not happening any time soon with half your salary cap space going to 2 players for the next 5 years.

  • http://Mrjones21901@aol.com Run’n'Gun219

    but i think playing center benefits him more than it hurts him. because most power forward will match up with him well with there quickness AND MOVES ON THE POST. By him playing center he makes up for his lack of size by his quickness and atheletism. most center cant match up. but as a player i dont think he is as good of rebounder as lee or noah. and offensivly i think lee can score a lil better than horford. but i like horford just dont think he is better than those two

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t see how it makes sense to compound the mistake of signing Joe Johnson to a monster contract by letting go of Horford. That’s the absolute worst decision to make.
    They don’t need a dominant center, they need someone who can occupy other centers, particularly Dwight Howard.
    Last year, Noah took 8 shots to get 10 points. Al Horford took 10 shots to get 14 points.
    This year, NOah is taking 12 shots to get 16 points, while Al is taking 8 shots to get the same 14 points. To me, that’s a massive difference, particularly when you consider the other scorers around Horford and how he manages to get his buckets without being spoonfed the rock. What I find more impressive about Noah is his motor, dude is an incredibly hard worker on the court and I like his confidence. But, right now, he’s not better than Al Horford, and Al Horford is only a four year veteran with lots of room and time to improve.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Run
    By what Measure do you think Lee can score better than Horford? He doens’t have better post moves, he doesn’t have a better face up jumper. He isn’t better at scoring in isolation. He might, MIGHT be better at scoring in the pick and roll, but I’m not sure.
    And teh same advantages that Horford has over bigger centers are the ones Lee had in New York that he’s currently missing in Golden State and somewhat struggling because of it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Horford has more success at the 4. Its proven. why the signing is good, he doesn’t miss games, has improved every season, can play 2 positions at a relative too all star caliber level, and is above average on both ends of the floor. Its becoming increasingly hard to just find a serviceable young big in the NBA, to find one that is good no matter where you play him, on both sides of the floor, and not be forced to max him out is a good thing for any team.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Horford barely touched the ball last year in Woodson’s guard heavy isolation offense. Comparing his scoring average from last year to Noah makes no sense. I wouldn’t go as far as to say he is a fantastic offensive player, but he is pretty damn good, and he is certainly not $20 million worse than David Lee. Good deal for both sides.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    David Lee is clearly a better offensive player then horford, scorer, rebounder, passer, he is however horrendous on the other end. @Allen – His scoring advantage comes from his ability to create off the dribble. Something Horford either can’t or isn’t comfortable even attempting.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    I honestly can’t answer who I’d take, Horford or Noah. On paper, Horford really is a better, more talented player. Noah strangely comes through on big plays though.

  • The Philosopher

    Noah.
    More heart.
    More of a warrior.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    It doesn’t make sense, but that’s the position Atlanta is in. I personally think they’d be better off letting Hortford go and using those dollars to pick up a point guard that can get all these athletes the ball. Or do anything else to change the dynamic of this team. At this point, I think we all know who Atlanta is. They’re a middle of the road team in the East. Now that they’ve tied up all their money, that’s basically where they’re stuck at for the next 5 years now.
    Looking at the contract on its own, I think he’s worth the 12 mil a year…or at least close enough to where I’m not shocked by it. I still think Noah is a better player now and has a higher ceiling, but that’s just my personal opinion.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Diesel you have to remember they are over the Cap. Letting Horford go means they don’t get anything in return. Resigning him was a given, whether they plan to lose him down the road or not.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    @the luxury tax line – not over. Now though to resign Crawford they need to go over

  • JTaylor21

    Did someone just say that Lee is clearly the better offensive player than Big AL??? HA HA HA bad joke. If Al ever played on the kind of free-flowing, take every shot offense that Lee has played in throughout his career, the boy would be putting up 22/10 with ease. Horford>>>>>Lee, Horford><Noah.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    I think Lee was a better passer under Mike D. I’ll hold off judgement until I see what he does in Golden State.
    Horford is a better scorer in my opinion. Dude can score on his man with no pick and roll. I have yet to see Lee show that ability consistently. And Horford is incredibly comfortable facing up and driving right. Not so much to the left, but he will go right and hit a jumper or get to the rim.
    I think Horford has the better jumper, although Lee’s is much improved. And, Horford actually has back tot he basket moves.
    Lee is the better rebounder, no doubt.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Ahh good point Allen, his back to the basket game does dwarf Lee’s. I really only remember horford doing the one dribble hook or spin move off the dribble but maybe i’m just spacing a portion of his game. I’ll be payin better attention. But as passing goes for Lee, the Warriors run a decent portion of their half-court sets through lee at the pinch/top of the key and was a key reason they won their first two, other then Allen Iverson, I mean Monte Ellis.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I havne’t seen any Warriors games, but according to his stats, Lee is struggling to duplicate his offensive success from New York.
    Is it just that Monta has been going off, or is there something else?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I was reading that their new offense is very complicated. I don’t know exactly what the new coach’s plan for running and gunning is, but Lee was NYK’s everything last year. Now he has 2 other people that the offense runs through. With that being said, they are 9th in pace, and Lee is only shooting 8 shots a game. He is more of a facilitator then I expected him to be (he is having a “career year” in assists, 3.7, in 8 fewer minutes). The Warriors don’t run as much P&R as you would expect either.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And I put “career year” cuz its three games in (hopefully) obviously

  • GoLakers

    Al Horford > Overrated Noah
    Congrats to Horford.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    well, consider the 2 games the warriors played: clippers and rockets. also, the lakers on sunday. lee had to play against huge frontcourts with smaller/slower backcourts, so that’s why monta and curry were so dominant, while the warrior bigs took a backseat.
    as for the laker game, they were completely out of sync. smart elected to use reggie williams as the quarterback. weird decision, as the offense had no fluidity other than monta having to go 1 on 5.
    david lee’s passing ability is verrrry good though. his touch passes off a monta give and go are beautiful.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    nbk, when nellie was still coaching the team, beans set high picks on pretty much every other play. i noticed smart doesn’t do it as often (especially with a healthy beans), so you’re right in that the dubs don’t use the P&R that much (anymore).
    david lee is being used mostly in the high post. i guess to kind of utilize his passing ability, in a rick adelmann kind of way

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    essentially what i said thanks for elaborating david

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    If I wanted a guy who could create his own shots and score on his own, I’d pick Horford on my team.
    If I wanted someone who could score through the point guard and through pick-and-rolls, I’d choose Lee.
    In my mind, that makes Horford a better offensive player, but I do think it says something to be able to interface with other players and help them score. Horford has Bibby and Johnson, great ball handlers, and doesn’t really run off screens or work on two-man-plays. One can argue that nothing on Atlanta is run like that, but if it could score some buckets, it probably would be run some more.
    I guess my point is, Horford is better offensively cause he can score on his own, but don’t downplay the ability that Lee has off scoring on pick-and-rolls and through two-man plays. It’s a useful skill.
    David Lee’s still not as good as Horford and Noah though.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    np nbk. just wanted to give you guys some insight about the hoops here in the bay.
    i’m not sure how david lee’s offensive game works since i didnt catch too many knick games, but so far most of his buckets come off wide open mid range shots created by steph or monta penetration, and a few hustle plays such as putbacks. not really notable though since it’s only been 3 games (and in a completely different offense).
    in the laker game though, with no curry (and monta being locked up by a combo of artest/brown), lee was iso’d a few times against gasol and odom. he failed miserably everytime. the length of the laker front court completely nullified his rebounding ability, thus making him pretty useless. that’s why he only played 20 mins

  • The Philosopher

    Allenp:
    Maybe it is the money.
    The Hedo syndrome, maybe?
    Probably not, though.

  • http://www.nobrain.dk omer urundul

    overrated, overpaid.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    so with that said, i’d have to agree with allen and the points made by jukai. horford is waaay more dependable, and can operate on his own. like jukai said, lee’s ability to score should be considered, but he’s more dependent on someone creating for him than horford is. hawks made a great deal

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Horford will score more off picks now that isojoe offense left with woody.

  • roebro

    whenever I hear about Horford, I always remember him hitting that jumper and talking smack to Paul Pierce during the playoffs a couple years back

  • lazaruz

    solid price imo. hawks did well. makes up some what for how much jj got.

  • Michael

    Anyone who tried to smack Paul Pierce is worth atleast 12mil a year in my books.

  • KB8toSG8

    Hmmm…do we see smith or williams on a different team next season??

  • ClydeSays

    I like Horford at PF and that seems like a reasonable contract, in most cases.

    But the Hawks are now locked into Horford, Johnson, Bibby, Zaza & Williams over the next few years. They’re a playoff team, but can that core get past the Magic, Celtics, Heat, Bucks or Bulls?

    The Hawks struggled to sell tickets for years. Now they could be handcuffed by a couple of contracts and in that purgatory of not advancing in the playoffs and not scoring a high lottery pick…

  • http://masterx1983@hotmail.com marchalmadness

    for the years to come they wont be a competitor for the title, the overpay Joe Johnson and give a huge contract to horford. Salary cap space will be a huge problem for them i guess.

    Should have signed an top 10 player of the nba instead off resigning Joe Johnson IMO

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    To be clear, I agree with everybody who says that the team spent way too much on Joe Johnson. But, I think refusing to spend money on Horford would only compound the problem. They need to move Marvin Williams and Bibby, possibly let Crawford walk, and make some smart decisions with free agents and the draft.

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  • http://google c_cantrell

    good move for the hawks.. i would rather have noah tho

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