Wednesday, November 3rd, 2010 at 8:44 am  |  77 responses

Post Up: John Wall Shines

And teaches me how to dougie.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Good news and bad news. First, the negative:

After a full day at the SLAM Dome yesterday, I got home, did a quick interview with a high school baller for the next issue (no sneak peaks here, punks) and told myself I’d get in some quick shuteye before the games got going. Well, you know how that goes. I woke up several hours later, confused, and with a full set of NBA action all wrapped up. Someone get the SLAM overlords to hook this kid up with an alarm clock. It’s a Post Up tax write-off!

But, the positive: While you guys were sleeping the night away, dreaming about hitting that Game 7 half-court buzzer beater and who knows what else, I was up and at it, wearing out the TiVo, analyzing box scores, and watching/re-watching all the highlights to make sure I’d be caught up. No days off at TPU, kids (whatup Anton!). Word to Wale. The things we do for you, I swear…

Alright, I’m well-rested and ready to roll. Let’s get on with it.

Orlando 0, New York 0

Asbestos? That’s what’s hot in the streets? (© Chappelle) OK, it happens. It does? I guess. Just make sure that’s all cleaned up for when John Wall and Co. come to NYC on Friday. It’s gonna be the hottest ticket in town—though Due Date doesn’t make for a terrible second option. Speaking of JW…

Washington 116, Philadelphia 115

A dope battle between two young, up-and-coming Eastern Conference teams. It was close all game, and as time expired in regulation, Cartier Martin (can we get this dude a sweet nickname already?) found an opening and was like, “At this range? With this caliber?“—cooly sinking an Iggy-contested J to tie things up as regulation ended. The John Wall Show—which started around tip-off and ended with the final whistle—continued into extra play, and the rook ended with a ridiculous stat line of 29 points, 13 assists, 9 steals, and, um, 8 turnovers, as the Wiz jumped ahead in OT and held on by a hair. For the Sixers, Lou Williams dropped 30 while Elton Brand went for 21 and 9 and hit some big baskets before fouling out. The man picked right behind Wall, Evan Turner, came off the bench and scored 9—all in the fourth quarter. Philly’s got Indiana at home tonight.

Atlanta 100, Cleveland 88

JJ Hickson did some damage for the Cavs, dropping 31, while Anderson Varejao grabbed 12 boards, but this one was all ATL. Don’t look now, but the Hawks—the squad that didn’t bring in any new players this summer—are 4-0. One playoff collapse doesn’t rid a roster of its talent, you know, and this team is still real solid. Marvin Williams led the way for Atlanta with 22, and Josh Smith contributed across the board with 6 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, and 5 blocks.

Boston 109, Detroit 86

Rajon Rondo just keeps on dishin’. Last night he had 17 dimes, which amounts to 67 through four games. Incredible. But check Boston’s numbers as a team: 42-81 FGM-A (51.9 percent), 18-18 FTM-A (100 percent, I think), 33 assists, 8 turnovers. With that kind of efficiency, they aren’t losing. To anyone. Shaq sat this one out, but the Pistons’ frontline didn’t step up and make the Celts pay too much. Charlie Villanueva led Detroit with 17 points in the losing effort.

Portland 90, Milwaukee 76

The Trail Blazers did that weird thing they do where they win but you can’t really tell how it happened. Wesley Matthews came off the bench and led them with 18 points, while Brandon Roy scored 17 and LaMarcus Aldridge had 14. Looks like they’ve recovered from what seemed to be a pretty rough loss in Chicago last night. The Bucks came out strong (up 27-21 after one) but struggled offensively—they shot 37.5 percent—and just weren’t able to match Portland’s energy.

Miami 129, Minnesota 97

And these dudes keep on cruising. DWade put in 26, while LeBron scored 20 but distributed 12 dimes. Chris Bosh (13 and 6) still hasn’t gotten going—as if you needed another reason to fear just how good the Heat can be down the road. James Jones keeps loving life in the Mike Miller role, as he went for 17 points and 5 threes. Kevin Love led Minnesota with 20, while Darko Milicic, presumably shook after seeing all of his ’03 Draft friends in one place, blanked out and scored 0 on 0-5 shooting.

L.A. Lakers 124, Memphis 105

Looks like the Lakers are already in mid-season mode. They jumped out to an 11-point lead after a quarter, and never turned back, leading by 29 at one point and rolling smoothly to the W. Pau (21-13-5) was the better Gasol, as Marc (11-6-5) couldn’t keep up with his bro’s array of post-moves and such. Kobe also played well, scoring 23 in only 26 minutes. Rudy Gay went for 30, but it was a bit of a waste—Memphis never really stood a shot. The $45-million man Mike Conley scored 16 and passed out 8 assists, so the jury on the contract is still out, though something tells me Michael Heisley will be guilty until proven innocent for that one.

Performance of the Night: John Wall: 29 points, 13 assists, 9 steals, 2 rebounds
Moment of the Night: This is one of those things that players sometimes do, knowing in the back of their minds, “Man, if I do this, I’ll definitely get The Post Up’s Moment of the Night.” Yes, it’s true: Dougie your way through the pre-game intro, and you’re an early favorite for MOTN honors.

A 12-game full course is on tap for tonight, peeps. And some good ones, too: OKC-LAC, Spurs-Suns, New Orleans-Houston, Milwaukee-Boston, plus more. Set your alarms.

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  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    tealish, so Wall’s shooting form resembles Ray Allen’s? And Rose’s resembles Rondo’s?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    I just find it funny that you’ve analyzed Wall’s form in 3 games and have already declared that he will most likely be the better long-term shooter. What do you see when you look at Reggie Miller’s form? Craig Hodges had a weird form too. Form isn’t as important as repetition. Whatever your mechanics are, use those same mechanics on every shot. Regardless, its just ridiculus to looka t form 3 game sin and make an assessment based off that. “I notice when Wall passes that his index finger is the last digit to touch the ball. Thus, I have concluded that he will be a betetr passer than Rose in his career.”

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    *look at form 3 games in

  • http://google c_cantrell

    ^feez22..
    what the hell are talking about? i never said wall was a legit mvp candidate in fact i pretty basically said that he wasnt moron…n im not f*ckin listening to anybody ok b*tch? everything i say is based on what i see and what i know, not on what anyone else, especially a f*ckin commentator says ok? do u understand? cause u seem pretty confused u f*ckin dumbass.. get the hell outta here

  • feez22

    @Enigmatic please… just because you don’t bash wall doesn’t mean the mass rose fans don’t. Look at other posts. They call wall unpolished as if rose was polished as a rook. They say wall gets a ton of turnovers as if rose didn’t in his 1st yr either. Pretty much hold wall to a standard you never held a rookie derrick rose to. You guys say that wall fans shouldn’t boost wall after 3 games yet you are the same people declaring derrick rose as an MVP candidate after 4 games. ironic isn’t it? Same fans that destroyed wall after his game against orlando but as soon as he has 2 great games afterwards you say its too early to praise? Where was that sentiment when you fans were bashing him after his FIRST GAME? contradiction is what i am pissed off @ with some of you bulls fans. and ya btw im not a wiz fan of any capacity. just want to point out what i am seeing in these posts.

  • Sparker

    um, i’m just REALLY happy that cp3, rose, rondo and wall are all playing so well. i don’t know if this is the best point guard showing eve in week 1 of the season, but it must be up there.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    OK feez, go back and tell me if you EVER find a post by me where I either said anything bad about Wall or that Rose is an MVP candidate. You lump all us “Rose fans” together like we all share a freakin’ brain or something.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    ^Enigmatic..
    jus ignore him bro hes jus a stupid dumbass

  • jonny

    Feez you are spot on. These guys are just clowns changing their arguments after every game. Also, any Rose fan talking about Wall`s turnovers is delusional. As of right now in his THIRD year Rose is averaging 5 a game. Wall in his rookie yr is averaging less turnovers to go along with more assists. Its funny how no Rose fan has brought up his so-called improved 3pt shooting since the 39pt game when he miraculously went 3 of 7. What is his season average again, barely over .200%, whereas Walls is .500%. But forget about actual stats for a moment and check out efficiency rating and you will see that Wall as a rookie also has a higher efficiency rating than Rose. As do all the other PG`s that anyone with common sense was arguing was better than overhyped Rose at the beginning of the season, such as Rondo, Westbrook, and Paul .

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    F*ck efficiency ratings. I hate all that new-age stats sh*t.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    You can’t take 3 game averages and compare them to 3 year averages you f*ckin idiot Johnny. There are highs and lows during the course of a season that you don’t see in THREE GAMES. Do everyone a favor and don’t post stupidity like that around here.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    yeah no joke jonny boy your a f*ckin idiot

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Hey guys, Rose averaged 34 points per game in his first 2 games. That 34 is higher than Jordan’s, Kobe’s and Lebron’s career averages. So DRose is a better player than all three of those guys. See how stupid you look Jonny?

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    @Adam Figman, its called defense, if you werent sleepin you would´ve saw LAldridge had 5 bks and 4 steals and Roy had 5 steals and a blk…they did what they didnt try in Chi town, play defense..and just cause nobody put up 30 points, it doesnt mean YOU DUMB FU(K CANT UNDERSTAND HOW IT HAPPENED!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Wall’s 50% shooting from 3 might have a little something to do with the fact that he’s 2 for 4. It probably wouldn’t be 50% if he had attempted 14 3′s like Rose has. Wall has ONE less turnover than Rose, both in 3 games. Wall’s more assists might have something to do with the fact that he’s played a lot more minutes than Rose up to this point, and it might not even freakin’ matter because Wall has played in THREE games in his entire career thus far. He could be averaging two assists a game by March for all we know.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    You know Diesel, now that you mention it, Reggie Evans is averaging over 16 rebounds a game! Dude is a better rebounder than Dennis Rodman, Charles Barkley, Ben Wallace and Dwight Howard!

  • http://slamonline.com/ Adam Figman

    @TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon: I’m aware of what defense is, man. I actually re-watched that game after it happened and saw all there was to see. Just saying between the rotating cast of (somewhat random) guys who step up, and the fact that Roy slips under the radar as a star, plus the fact that the team uses defense to win games instead of big plays (or at least last night that was the case), they tend to sneak up on folks. And one player’s strong defensive stats rarely stand out when you’re watching, unless he’s doing some kind of Mutombo-esque finger waving amidst a double-digit block performance. Relax, fam.

  • jonny

    Where are all the whiners who said that if Rose had better teammates he would easily lead the league in assists. Wall plays on a far worse team and is averaging more assists, according to you guys, doesn`t that mean if Wall had Rose`s teammates he would be somewhere around 14-15 a game. @ Diesel your an idiot who doesn`t know how to read. I didn`t compare Wall to Rose`s entire career, I compared both of their stats so far this season. The same high`s and lows of the season you mention are bound to affect Rose just as badly as Wall, and I`m betting that right now Rose is on an all time High. @ Diesel, you are just as dumb because you are comparing players career averages to Roses first two games on the season. Its like saying Brandon Jennings is way better than Rose because he scored 55 in one game and Rose`s career high is only 39. Also for both of you, after Roses first 3 games of his career he averaged 18 ppg, 4.6 rebounds, 4.3 assists, 1.3 steals and 3 turnovers, stats that pale in comparison to what Wall has put up after his first three games. And for @ Enigmatic, so what if Wall only attempted 4 threes, he made half of his attempts so far and one less in total than Rose. Rose needed 14 attempts in order to make a measly 3 3pters, to anyone with a brain knows that means he is a bad 3pt percentage shooter and shouldn`t be taking those kinds of shots. It also shows that Wall knows his game better than Rose by not settling for the 3 and forcing up bad shot attempts. In addition to being a better 3pt shooter percentage wise. Again for @Enigmatic, player efficiency is a very important statistic. You are probably someone who looked at Marburys stat line of 20 and 8 when he proclaimed himself “the best PG in the league”, and believed him. Basic Assist, rebound, points types of stats don`t tell the whole story, and that`s why complex statistical measures such as efficiency ratings have been developed in order to truly assess players performances.

  • Sparker

    @adam, i thought your comment about the blazers was classic slam, and no offense to the blazers. keep up the good work

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    @Enigmatic
    No, that’s not what I’m saying. You missed the point.
    @Diesel
    I should have included fluidity when I said “form”. Reggie’s stroke wasn’t textbook form, but it was hella fluid. Same setup on every shot. It looked right even when it looked wrong, if you know what I mean.
    And again, I acknowledged it’s early to make an assessment, but I’m making it anyway.
    It’s my opinion (read: opinion) based on what I’ve seen, either from the pros or even in a pickup game — it doesn’t take long to find out who can shoot, and who can’t. It’s probably one of the easiest aspects of basketball to judge, in comparison to other on the court skills.
    Again, it’s just an opinion.
    We can reconvene at this and next season’s end to reevaluate. Don’t worry about it.

  • cb4

    After reading these posts the only definitive conclusion that can be made is that logic is not the strong suit of Derrick Rose fans as they incessantly contradict themselves when looking for ways to support their idol.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Jonny, I NEVER believed Stephon Marbury was the best PG in the league. How dare you. That’s even lower than KG calling Villanueva a cancer patient.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @ tealish – no, I got what your point was. I just couldn’t help but poke fun at the way you brought up Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen’s shooting forms in trying to describe the differences in Wall’s and Rose’s.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Obviously sarcasm is not your strong point Jonny.

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    @AdamFigman, youre right I should relax but instead of what you wrote, downplaying their win, maybe those random guys who stepped up like Armon Johnson and Dante Cunningham would be a better storyline.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    At least we can all agree that Roy’s mini-dream shake J (@0:48) was silky smooth:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ3jVDYMlcA

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