Wednesday, November 3rd, 2010 at 9:00 am  |  72 responses

The Detroit Pistons are Terrible, Mad at Each Other

by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

After losing their fourth consecutive game to begin the season last night, tensions in the Detroit Pistons‘ locker room finally bubbled to the surface. They’re tied for the worst record in the League, and people are starting to take shots at each other through the press.

Head coach John Kuester once again publicly expressed his disappointment with the team (especially on the defensive end of the floor), but could not escape criticism from one of his own veteran players.

Tayshaun Prince understands Kuester’s concerns, but thinks his coach could also be doing a much better job.

The Detroit Free Press reports:

The Pistons fell to 0-4 for the first time since 1999. So it wasn’t surprising when a frustrated Kuester said afterward that the locker room has a leadership void and needs someone to step forward and add a voice to his. After saying no one is going to have sympathy for the injury-depleted Pistons, he said: “We have to collectively someway or somehow find another voice besides my own that is going to lead us.”

Tayshaun Prince agreed with him — but said Kuester has to share the blame on the horrible start. “He’s right, but at the same time it goes both ways,” Prince said. “We can sit here and continue to get on each other and be vocal, but like I said, the right thing has got to come from him as well as us. It goes both ways. He says we got to be more vocal, he has to do some things better, too. Obviously, we’re 0-4 so it ain’t just the team.” Kind of early for finger-pointing, but it’s pretty obvious the frustration level is high.

Deeeeetroit Basketball!

There’s some chatter in Motown that the Pistons may be targeting either Josh Smith or Chris Kaman as possible trade pieces. I’m not sure either guy can help turn their current situation around, mostly based on the fact that they’d be far too depressed to even bother trying.

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  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    it’s gonna be a long season in Detroit.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    This is sad man…That Chauncey Billups trade wrecked this team in the worst way…

  • http://slamonline.com YKnot

    Darko drafted….Chauncey shipped…..at what point does Dumars get some blame?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If they got both Kaman and Smith, they might be competitive. I do love the fact that Joe D has been exposed as the crappy talent evaluator he his. He got way too much credit for what Larry Brown and those dudes did to get their title.

  • MobTown

    You could say that the Billups trade f’d it up, but I think giving Rip that extension the week before the trade, along with giving Maxiell any money was the kick in the jimmy that knocked the whole damn thing over.

    Ties your hands when you go out and get the same player in Gordon that you have in Rip, who was tied up for another 4 years.

    Essentially, you’ve got your biggest money split between two players who play the same position, and can’t be shifted to the 1 and they’re both too small to play the 3.

    Then you also factor in 6 coaches in 10 years. Then you look at the fact that they let Sheed and McDyess walk, with no intent of picking up any kind of quality post player. Wilcox and Wallace? C’mon, this isn’t 2004, this isn’t Maryland, and we’re not playing in the ACC.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    Stuckey turned out not to be basketball jesus after all. They should’ve never traded Billups.


    The Pistons got old, then Dumars burned a hole in his pocket when they finally had cap space, and it just didn’t work out. Even if Chauncey were never traded they be a mess right now. Also, losing Rick Carlisle, and then Larry Brown hurt that team a lot too. The coaching choices by Dumars (Flip, Curry, Kuester) since Larry Brown’s departure have been head scratchers. Make Magic Johnson the President of that team and he’ll get the right people alongside him to fix the Pistons.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstySYD Hursty

    This is all T-Mac’s fault.

  • underdog

    Co-sign BET, they should’ve never traded Billups.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    i bet ben gordon really regrets leaving the bulls now


    I still can’t believe they signed T-Mac. smh

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Remember when they were Offered Rondo and Ray Allen for Rip, Tayshaun, and Stuckey? I wonder if they’re kicking themselves for not snatching that trade up before Boston Realized it was stupid…

  • http://google c_cantrell

    at the time it didnt make any sense for detroit to accept that offer because rondo had not yet blossomed into the all-star that he is now

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    He was still a better PG than Stuckey(not a PG) at that point, but hindsight is 20/20 I suppose…

  • http://google c_cantrell

    well like i said at the time it wasnt really a good deal on the pistons side of things

  • vtrobot

    it was so sad when they rang the bell for ben last night. didn’t kno they still did that. thought he was out of the L by now. he still making $15 mil for 0/12/0 a game? the palace seems like a sad place these days.

  • rich

    this really bums me out because growing up i thought basketball was a 1 man sport. it wasnt until i watched those piston teams where i learned about team play. they need to go back to getting team guys, rather than individuals

  • ab40

    the ruin of auburn hills

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Didn’t Slam name Joe Dumars GM of the Decade. Told yall he wasn’t it. BOOK IT!!

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    Here’s the thing: anybody whose name isn’t ben gordon needs to step up, but this team is flawed from the get go. Gordon, and rip are the same type of player as mobtown says, but I’d like to add that so is stuckey. So’s tayshaun and daye, even charlie v, in that they’re all big 3s, villanueva isn’t a 4. Then you have no center. None. Wallace is 6’8″ and past his prime, and maxiell is 6’5″, so no wonder their defense is horrible. There is no other team in the league that has such a disjointed rotation as detroit does, and throw in a noobie coach that no one respects, and you get one conclusion: Joe Dumars isn’t really a good GM.

  • Sparty’s Law

    Is this really a surprise to them? Did anyone actually expect them to not suck?

  • KB8toSG8

    Philly has a greatly flawed team too….but I get your drift. And yeah, Billups trade wrecked everything related to the Pistons…

  • http://google c_cantrell

    when billups left he took everything with him but he is doing pretty good in denver.. love his game

  • vtrobot

    @ Krishan: You’re right. They remind me of recent disjointed Knicks teams from the past several years. Jarred Jeffries at the 4!

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    Kaman would be a better fit than Smith, because they already have good depth at the 4 and the 3. Greg Monroe needs to be given the minutes to grow because he’ll be a big part of their future. If only Detroit could have aged like the Spurs, where they tweak it, but remain successful.

  • jay

    im sayin though t-mac gets no burn? they have a decent team…does monroe even start better yet play?……the line ups should be stuckey, ben gordon, teyshaun, charlie vill, and monroe with rip and t-mac off the bench…makes no sense why they are stinkin it up like that

  • Jowo

    HAHAHA sucks for them.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    man i used to be a ben gordon fan until he got the big head n left the bulls like a retard to go make more money on a horrible team

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    What ever happened to all those people who said the Bulls were stupid for letting Gordon walk, and that the Pistons would be a powerhouse with him?

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    Jay: No it makes utter and absolute sense, they are THAT bad. No one outside of tayshaun plays decent defense in that squad. And they’re so undersized it’s not funny. A team that consistently gets outrebounded and plays horrible defense is going to lose 11 out of 10 tries.

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    That extra loss is for the season ticket holders.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    i can promise u i was not one of those ppl bro

  • The D Train

    Exactly, ‘igmatic. Exactly. I remember coming to the boards and practically worshipping at the alter of Joe D. after they got that dude out of Chicago. BG is a one-trick pony. And frankly, if he’s not on, he’ll still keep chucking it up. Undersized shooting guards who cannot do anything but shoot are not a good investment at 11 million a year. It’s funny that all those years as 6th man, when BG complained and pined to start, he was actually in the role that best suited him.

  • The D Train

    In the interest of fairness: Chicago was stupid to offer BG approx the same contract the year before he signed with Detroit. Can you imagine if he would have agreed to sign? It would have been the same year and approx the same deal that Deng got. You read all kinds of reports about how awful Deng’s deal is, but what if it was tied to BG at the same amount and length? Chicago fans dodged a ‘UGE bullet on that one.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    I haven’t seen TADOne around these parts much. Maybe he committed suicide?

  • http://staticseth.blogspot.com Seth

    They did not look good at all last night against the Celtics. No defense whatsoever.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, D Train, that would’ve sucked. We’d have no money for Boozer, Might not have been able to extend Noah….maybe not even Rose down the road.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Going into the season I thought if healthy, they would be a playoff team.. Now, I think its only a matter of time before Prince and Hamilton (and maybe others) request a trade.. Back to rebuilding, Mr. Dumars..

  • http://google c_cantrell

    rip needs out of there in a bad way.. prince would be a good fit on a team like the bulls and rip honestly would fit in with the bulls too.. they wouldnt have to offer each player too awful much

  • tavoris

    @Jukai-so not funny.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Prince and Hamilton would both be great pieces on a contender…Prince is a great 3rd or 4th option guy who please solid D, and Hamilton would fit well with a solid PG to run with. Hamilton is an underrated defender too.

  • Jon

    You guys are a joke. Stop saying Dumars “ruined the pistons.” How foolish are you? Dumars made the Pistons. Before he became GM we were a joke. He had us on top of the league for 8 years. We have missed the playoffs ONCE!!!!!! Its a joke. Name the other GMS that have done this? Why would he not get a few years to rebuild like everyone else??

  • max

    To me it seems like the Pistons are a copy of the Orlando Magic,besides the fact that our Dwight Howard is 37 year ol Ben Wallace.Stuckey is better than Jameer,Ben Gordon is better than JJ Redick and Rip is,when healthy n motivated,better than Vince.Prince and Daye are versatile and can score from the outside.Both have the potential to be very decent defenders.Charlie is like Rashard Lewis,maybe not as streaky from three but better at the rim.In the end it all comes down to Dwight.Put Dwight away from the Magic,they will play like this years Pistons.Put Dwight on the Pistons,they are contenders.Btw,thats another reason why I think Dwight is deserving nr.5 in the Slamranking.


    when some teams goes up(Heat and Bulls), the others must come down(Pistons, Cavs n Raptors)…

  • Jer Boi

    Nets were 0-19 and nothing like this happened. pretty sad.



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  • max

    The ‘they are undersized’ thing is not true:Stuckey at 6’4 or 6’5 is average sized at the point.Rip’s 6’7.Tayshaun is 6’9,Daye is 6’11,so is CV.Undersized are Will Bynum,Ben Gordon,Jason Maxiell and Ben Wallace.There defense shortcomings come from bad rotations and poor close-outs.They are getting outrebounded because Daye(starter at 4) is not bulky enough,CV is playing at the perimeter despite his size,and Ben Wallace is rebounding for his age exceptionally well.We are also missing 6’10 Jonas Jerebko who could have averaged a double double in his second year.

  • kev

    This is a mismatched team of misfits similar to my terrible Sixers. Joe Dumars has made a ton of bad moves with this squad and probably wont last as gm after they plummet to the NBA cellar this season

  • barnabusb

    Losing Jonas Jerebko for the year was a huge blow to the franchise. But things definitely aren’t right in Motown.

  • The Battlecat


  • Shem

    @ Krishan: Maxiell is 6’7 and wallace is 6’9 dont comment if you dont know what your talkin bout

  • http://google c_cantrell

    ^you startin you sound alot like me now

  • Mr. Robinson

    cantrell: stfu. Juks & The Philo r yer bosses anyway. Clown ass *i99@. Gettin sh*++ed on 2 day and yesterday.

  • lockon

    they should just rebuild. trade rip and tayshaun to contenders for draft picks or potential players. the thing is they still dont have direction. they are overloaded with guards and even signed tmac this season, who is a guard and a wrong fit for the team. you dont know if they are even rebuilding after trading billups and signed gordon and villanueva, or trying to contend. joe dumars should just think of rebuilding now.

  • matt

    unfortunately, the pistons r worse than my raps. the pistons have too much talent in some positions while no talent in others. Detroit really needs to shed salary in any way possible, rip WILL get traded 4 sure.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    ^jus shut the f*ck up

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    When its all said and done, the Pistons will have a better record than the Raptors this year.. Too bad Big Ben couldn’t finish his career on a contender…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Way too many shoorting guards, STILL. This is what ruined the Pistons’ last two seasons. Joe Dumars trades the only pure point guard the team had (Billups) for essentially another shooting guard (Iverson)–so when Iverson is scapegoated and walks, they bring in… B. GORDON?! They’re at a log jam at the guard spot with very limited inside game, at least offensively.
    Oh yeah, and I still don’t understand why Joe Dumars picked Austin Daye if he wasn’t going to trade Prince. Daye is a talented young player, and Prince is a talented and seasoned semi-vet, but again, there is a log jam at their position–and they don’t just play alike, they even LOOK alike.

  • http://slamonline.com JL

    come on u know they want to trade rip and tay but just can’t find any takers for over the hill over paid now mediocre players. tay and rip were championship pieces when they were prime, but now not so much. their team is not bad, but lacks a true star and true PG. stuckey is great for a bench G coming in for a spark, but he can’t run an offense. Ben Gordon is not bad, but not a true winner. relying on him is like flipping the coin… just 50/50 not terrible but not good enough. Gotta just release the vets like rip and tay and let them sign elsewhere (or buyout to save a little money), and let the young guys develop. The funny thing is will bynum is probably the better PG but for some reason they seem to like stuckey more.

  • Sam

    I love what Prince is saying. I’m a Detroit guy, and Kuester stinks as a coach. He has a good mind set and focus’ on good things, but he can’t coach ‘em. Prince is 300% right and he speaks the truth. Here’s the list of what us Detroit people want: 1. Fire Dumars 2. fire Kuester 3. trade for kaman 4. trade for smith 5. make the playoffs

  • barnabusb

    Part of the problem seems to be how Joe is over-valuing his vets. He seems to think Rip and Tay are almost untouchable for some reason. Loyalty is important, and the respect of your players is important, but you can’t cripple your franchise while trying to hang on to them.

  • http://www.nbaballhog.wordpress.com God in Basketball Shoes

    Obviously Tay is not going to be the one who steps up and shows leadership after throwing his coach under the bus that way. This team is badly put together with a mish-mash of similar style players who are soft and they have a miserable attitude on top of that. Not the ingredients for a good team. Dumars has an opportunity here to show whether he is a good GM afterall, but he has to do something other than waiting for them to implode.

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    When I say undersized I don’t mean height alone: who do you have as center besides maxiell and wallace? Ely? There’s your problem right there. Tayshaun and daye are like 100 pounds soaking wet, charlie v plays like a guard and gets constantly punked by bigs down low, and no maxiell is NOT 6’7, look at his draft data before he was in the league, he was freakin 6 foot five. Eat it shem.

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    Dumars did great to get them a championship, but after that he was terrible. Let’s not kid ourselves, this team is badly constructed, and most of the blame is on joe’s lap.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Jukai: He is still kickin, saw him on facebook the other day.

  • AL29

    This team is a mess, but they have some good pieces to trade. Carmelo and CP3 are out there, and their teams will get nothing if they don’t ship them by the end of the year. Who can give either one of those teams more than detroit can? Stuckey, Prince, Hamilton, Gordon, are all decent players.

  • ClydeSays

    Not sure what Dumars is doing. Bulls and Bucks look like better teams at the moment.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Joax

    GO HEAT!

  • Jake

    Give the ball to T-Mac.

  • tavoris

    sso, stuckey refused to enter the game last night….Iverson’s fault?