Thursday, December 9th, 2010 at 11:30 am  |  61 responses

Andre Miller: The League is Soft Now

‘Dre Miller, who was suspended one game for briefly losing his mind the other day, astutely observes that the NBA just isn’t what it used to be in terms of allowing for tough play. I’m sure David Stern will take his comments to heart. From The Columbian: “A day after missing a game for the first time since the 2002-03 season, Portland Trail Blazers point guard Andre Miller chatted about his suspension, his guided-missile attack on Blake Griffin, and how the NBA has changed. And just like that blow to Griffin, he didn’t hold back … His reaction to the suspension: ‘I was surprised. I actually wasn’t even notified. I found out toward the evening when I was sleeping that there would be a suspension. It just shows you how soft the league has gotten, protecting young players. It’s not like it was when I came (into) this league.’  … On whether the suspension was justified: ‘It wasn’t justified at all. If I was a dirty player that was looking to go out and hurt someone then I can understand, ‘OK, this guy has a reputation.’ Back in the day, like John Stockton, tough-minded player, some people thought he was dirty. He never got suspended for anything. The league has changed, they favor the young guys now, and that’s just how it is.’”

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  • Love4Humanity

    Quit whining. You ran through him, you got caught. Go back to the three point line if you don’t want to get pushed around

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Dre Miller has a point to a certain extent, but what he did to Blake Griffin was dirty and to say that he was surprised he got suspended is crazy. John Stockton never ran down the court with the intention of running into a player and shoving him into camera men.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Thank You Dre, when a player like Joakim Noah is seen as an enforcer/hustler. You know the NBA is in the Dark Ages. BOOK IT!

  • JTaylor21

    Looks like granpa is mad the league is trying to keep their young stars safe. He’s BGriff and you’re andre miller, can’t you read inbetween the line

  • unrel

    the league is soft now..

  • riggs

    he’s right look at older games and how dudes went after each other, it all changed after is now known as the ron artest incident.

  • ripslam

    This man speaks the truth.

  • Hammer

    Well said dre. A flagarant foul 2day was just a regular foul back n the day. And the fouls that r being called 2day,back then the refs wouldn’t call em. Players 2day r being sissified

  • hoodsnake

    The league going soft? That’s okay Dre cos there’s not gonna be a damn league next season! How messed up is that?

  • http://slamonline.com YKnot

    The NBA is living in mamby pamby land. Here’s a tissue…..CRYBABY!!

  • T-Money

    Dre is tripping. He’s mad because that’s breaking his streak of consecutive games played. Running down the court to just shove a guy was never tolerated in any era. That wasn’t a basketball play.

  • DEO707

    you think?????!!!!!!

  • add

    i agree with andre

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Who sees Noah as a enforcer? But he will out hustle your whole damn team.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Who sees Noah as a Enforcer? but he will out hustle yo whole team.

  • Hammer

    I’m not gonna turn this n2 a lebron deb8,but here’s my pov. When lbj would b dancin and prancin on the sidelines while his team(the cavs)would b blowin out another team,if he would have pulled that stunt back n the day,I assure u next posession he would b on his @ss. Teams back then didn’t take that crap (ex:knicks,pistons,blazers)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Excuse the second comment, I didn’t think the first got through.

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com just bcuz

    the NBA been soft for awhile. its still entertaining but this is why real rilvaries are gone. there are no such thing as enforcers anymore

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    co sign- Riggs, Hammer,Yknot, and bcuz..

  • http://www.twitter.com/chris_griff_3 Chris_Griff_3

    If someone is going to push you, you have to push back. Did Blake Griffin push him the rest of the game?

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    @ Yknot- thats godda be my favorite commerical on tv today.. I used to work with R.Lee Ermey’s cousin (also a very intense dude)

  • Hammer

    A special shout out 2 michael cage,the davis bros,charles oakly,anthony mason,bill laimbeer,jerome kersey,otis thorpe,maurice lucas,pj brown,john starks. Just a few who would put a hurt on u

  • Piggy

    Calm down, in the 2000′s it was already soft, now in the 80′s 90′s different story.

  • vtrobot

    one of the last guys to really foul hard on a regular basis was K-Mart in jersey. seemed like there were many fast break hard clothesline flagrants that one season. don’t see as many of those any more. that was dirty because of how he blindsided blake, but i usually like dre’s game. he’s been solid for a long time.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    James posey is still around, ‘finishing plays’ as hubie says. You dont get and1s on posey.

  • http://www.nba.com Gman

    cosign the hammer

  • Baba Boey

    I wonder if he thinks Van Horn was soft?

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    True statement, but completely irrelevant to his situation.
    The funniest thing, is the refs missed the entire sequence.
    What I liked was no crying to the refs from Blake. Dude got cheapshot steamrolled from behind, no foul called, and he just picked upside back up, and got right back into the play. How many players wouldn’t have started crying? LeBron, Dwyane, Kobe. I’m looking at all of y’all.

  • Josh

    Andre is great. The league was right to suspend him and he was right to take it to Griffin like a vet should. Accept the consequences and move on.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    R. Lee Ermey is actually a really nice dude. I talked to him a few times when he visited Okinawa. And Dre Miller is right about the NBA being soft but wrong about his suspension not being justifiable.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    picked himself back up*

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That flying missile move by Miller was hilarious. He gave Griffin two chances to get right, he didn’t, he paid.

  • MikeC.

    That suspension was totally justifiable. He ran the length of the court for the sole purpose of turning himself into a human projectile. Not a “tough guy” basketball play. Although, Oak-tree punching Jordan in the stomach while Jordan was going to the basket wasn’t really a basketball play either. Then again, that wasn’t even called a foul when it happened. Dre is right that the league is softer than it was when he came in, but he’s wrong to argue his own suspension. Kudos to Blake for just shaking it off. His personality on the court if very stoic. He’s got some Duncan-Robot in him.

  • bnets

    He’s right, it’s not like the 80s and early 90s

  • youngmuggsy

    Pretty funny how Griffin got back up all aggressive then completely froze when he saw Andre Miller staring at him.

  • connor

    not only is he right griffin deserved it for provoking him

  • http://twitter.com/BeezKneezy LA Huey

    I’ll agree that the league doesn’t let you bang as much as it used but I’m not getting so drunk off nostalgia to endorse cheap shots.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    What’s funny though is that when Miller was drafted in ’99, cats that had played in the 90′s and late 80′s were saying the same thing then.

  • Jackie Moon

    This has nothing to do with softness, and everything to do with technology. You cheat nowadays, you’re going to get caught.

  • PapaBearATL

    I feel that if the refs didn’t penalize him on the court, how can you comeback after reviewing the tape and suspend anyone? If that’s the case then they should review every game and give points for every missed call and reverse all bad calls and update stats based on errors by the officials. Other than that, take your medicine you set the rookie straight no pay the price.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    The league isn’t softer because Andre Miller got a suspension for doing his M. Bison impression, the league is softer because Andre Miller didn’t get his head ripped off at a later stage in the game. Rookie got intimidated…

  • Jose

    IDK about al this but i give dre props for smashing balck griffin off his feet

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    Dre´s right, and Griffin aint pushing him around no more, WELCOME TO THE L ROOK

  • 4thqtrhero

    Just seen the youtube highlights. If Miller can get suspended for 2 games on review shouldn’t Griffin be at least fined for the 2 fouls. Or maybe start the next game against protland with 2 fouls. Ludicrous. If it wasn’t called in the heat of the game how does it get called in review

  • Jackie Moon

    If a cop doesn’t see you stabbing someone when he is close by, but the video shows it, you shouldn’t get punished, should you?

  • Blackphantom

    That Some people thought John Stockton was dirty statement sorta threw me off, forgive my youth I was too young to really see how he played

  • http://www.bunzl.com.au OZ Baller

    Stockton was reallllllll dirty, oh yeah

  • dadavid

    One word: LeQueen

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I was playing street ball with a 21 yr old who had not heard of John Stockton until I mentioned him…. I hope all you young ‘students’ of the game are making sure you know who’s been in the league during the past decade… If you’ve got to hang your hat on his being post modern Cavs/Heat fan than you’ve got NOTHING.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Stockton wasn’t truly ‘dirty’, he would have gotten smacked out but the tag stuck….. crafty. Yes. INSANE basketball IQ. Yes. Could only pass right handed. Yes even that. But other guys played ‘dirtier’ than he did… Bigs like Bill Lambeer, Dikembe Mutumbo mastered the art of leaning on you and making space with sharpened elbows… Gary Payton would smother any weaker PGs on the post but there, the ‘dirty’ tag didn’t stick…. straight up the guys that get that tag from other players in the modern era were a young Dennis Rodman (who didn’t rebound as much as he made everyone else not want to…mind games), a vicious Alonzo Mourning and Scott Skiles.

  • bnets

    Derek Fisher should of got suspended too when he hit Luis Scola

  • mikey

    wtf guys? how are you praising him?

    andre was the guy in the first place who got pushed by blake when blake wasnt even trying, he cries the first time and it happens again, he cries the second time then has a little temper tantrum and decides to mow blake down? and hes trying to tell us that everyone else is soft? hes just being a lil baby and yall need to get off his d this guy is so underrated that everyone praises him to the point that hes overrated…please

  • bnets

    ^^^^ this guy is crying

  • http://counterkicks.com Q

    um and kobe wears nike. come on this has been a fact for many years and now people are surprised.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Dacre, the sad part is stock retired just 7 years ago. Its not like you asked him if he knew george mikan

  • L

    In truth, he got a point. The league got soft when you look at the 90′s games where there was no easy way to the paint with handchecking and everything.
    MJ would have averaged 40 points a game in today’s game.. L

  • fitzy

    i agree, shaq gets flagrants just cause he’s massive.

  • v

    @bnets – fisher was suspended, and miller must be an idiot to bring up that as an example on TNT. If you’re going to cite precedent, make sure you do your research.

  • Sstan

    I agree with dre the league is very soft .it’s all bull since the Knick rules were brought into play now u can’t touch a player. the young guys just want to run around and get point and not get hit in the middle of the key ask MJ about that stuff.

  • bnets

    League is still soft

  • Justin

    The league may be softer but if many of you will remember, fans HATED the way there were so many no calls back in the day. Sometimes it was outright thuggery and when the Knicks finally made the finals against the Rockets it was the most boring Finals series in history, up to that point. So, the league started cracking down on it. With the game slowly being called tighter (at least until the playoffs) over the years, the players adjusted. So naturally when there is a hard foul given the players react a bit differently.