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Thursday, December 16th, 2010 at 8:45 am  |  228 responses

Post Up: In Cold Blood

Paul Pierce puts an end to the Knicks’ winning streak.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Philadelphia 105, L.A. Clippers 91

The streaking Sixers continued their streaking ways, easily taking down the Clips at home after delivering the knock-out punch during a 34-18 scoring advantage in the third quarter. Jrue Holiday, by far the most impressive Philly player during this stretch (the team’s won seven of nine now), led them with 24, while Spencer Hawes had another great night (I know!) with 16 points and 14 boards. Blake Griffin (20 points, 18 rebounds) was a force, but, you know. Free Blake.

Boston 118, New York 116

Wow. Just, wow. After the Knicks led (mostly by single digits) for almost the entire game, the two teams traded buckets and shit talk in the final few minutes of the fourth quarter. A huge Ray Allen three-pointer gave the Celts their first lead since they were up 7-5, but a goofy Danilo Gallinari and-1 tied it up. Of course, as he loves to do, Paul Pierce put on his assassin mask and went to work, drilling an elbow J over Amar’e Stoudemire (more on him in a sec) to put the C’s up two with only 0.4 seconds remaining. STAT found himself open at the top of the key during the in-bounds play, and proceeded to hit a pretty three-pointer FOR THE WIN! But no. The ball clearly left his hand after the red light went off, and it was negated.

Still though, this one will go a long way in legitimizing the Knicks’ recent success, as a last-second loss to Boston is nothing to complain about. Stoudemire was brilliant, hitting 39 points by dominating the post and drilling a barrage of mid-range J’s at will. With everything going on, it was hard to notice that Pierce was having a pretty incredible game as well, as he went for 32 points and 10 boards. Multiple Celtics also put up strong efforts: Rajon Rondo (who was hobbled by an ankle injury late) dished 14 assists; Allen scored 26; and Kevin Garnett had a 20 and 13 line to go along with a whole bunch of intensity. Next up during the Knicks’ dream (err, nightmare?) week is a matchup with the Heat Friday night at MSG. If you like watching basketball, you should probably check that out.

Chicago 110, Toronto 93

The good: The Bulls won, easily, and by a lot, and they’re playing great ball. They’ve won seven in a row, and Carlos Boozer (34 points, 12 rebounds) is beasting away. Derrick Rose (only 6 points and 11 dimes, but in only 29 minutes) is getting increasingly comfortable, and Luol Deng (19 points) is hitting a nice rhythm.

The bad: It was reported last night that Joakim Noah (11 points, 11 rebounds) will be having surgery on his right thumb, and could miss up to 10 weeks. This means the Bulls just got a lot weaker defensively, lost a huge source of energy, and won’t be able to fully develop their on-court chemistry until a number of weeks from now. Unfortunate news, all around.

Miami 101, Cleveland 95

LeBron against his former homies, part two. This time, there was no joking or joking-masked-as-trash-talk going on, as both teams meant business. The Cavs meant a little more business than last time, but the Heat still have all those good players, so they were able to get by. It was only a one-point game going into the final quarter, but a few big hoops and some important stops down the stretch was the difference. Dwyane Wade led his crew with 28 points, while Bron scored 21 and collected 13 rebounds. LBJ’s old bud Boobie Gibson scored an impressive 26 in the loss.

L.A. Lakers 109, Indiana 94

Pau Gasol scored 14 points in the first six and a half minutes. The Lakers outscored the Pacers 36-22 in the first quarter. They went on to outscore them 59-37 in the first half. In other words, this one was over nice and quick. Kobe went for 31 off 11-18 shooting, while Lamar Odom scored 13 and grabbed 17. L.A.’s road trip continues tomorrow night in Philly.

Oklahoma City 117, Houston 105

The Thunder shot 57.7 percent from the field. When a high-octane team like Oklahoma City shoots 57.7 percent, they’re probably going to get a W. And so it was. Houston’s been playing well, but couldn’t keep up with Kevin Durant (32 points) and Jeff Green (21 points) last night. The Thunder have won four straight, and chances are they’ll keep that flowing tomorrow night against Sacramento.

Memphis 113, Charlotte 80

The Bobcats are generally known for hard-nosed defense, and when they lose their defensive focus, they lose games. Like this one. The Grizz walked all over the ‘Cats in the second quarter, outscoring them 35-16 en route to an easy victory. OJ MayoZach Randolph and Rudy Gay combined for 66 points, and some solid bench assistance was the icing on the cake. Gerald Wallace’s (out with a sprained ankle) absence was felt, to say the least.

New Orleans 94, Sacramento 91

Down 23 points in the third, Chris Paul and the Hornets decided they were tired of the losing thing, and spent the rest of the game storming forward. They finally did caught up in the fourth, jumping ahead with a few minutes to go and not looking back. CP3 had 22 points and 11 dimes, while Marcus Thornton stepped up and scored 19 in the W. As we’ve seen numerous times this season (Knicks, Heat), sometimes a couple of games against sub-par teams is all it takes to turn around some negative momentum, so maybe this’ll be the start of something bigger for the Bees. Stay tuned.

San Antonio 92, Milwaukee 90

Manu Ginobili, ladies and gentleman. Talk about a comeback season. Not only did his stat line read 26, 6 and 4 (on 9-13 shooting), dude drilled a very contested jumper at the buzzer to give the Spurs their sixth straight win. San Antonio continues to sit atop the NBA, now with a 21-3 record, its best in franchise history. Video of Manu’s heroics below.

Phoenix 128, Minnesota 122

Fifteen threes. 128 points. Phoenix Suns basketball, folks. Of course, they gave up 122, but that’s usually how it goes. Jason Richardson scored 29, as his team ended its three-game losing streak and sent the TWolves packing. Also, Steve Nash: 11 points, 19 assists. Kevin Love (23 points, 16 boards) put up another incredible line, but Minny had no answer for Phoenix’s barrage of offensive firepower.

Dallas 103, Portland 98

After having their win streak put to an abrupt end against a scrappy Milwaukee group, the Mavs rebounded against the Blazers last night. Dallas shot 53.4 percent, and though the Blazers played well, some clutch play down the stretch—including a vital Dirk Nowitzki jumper—was the difference. Even though he played, Brandon Roy is looking decreasingly healthy, and he sat out some important minutes while guys like Wesley Matthews and Nicolas Batum saw time.

Actual STATS: (I know, so clever.) Amar’e Stoudemire: 39 points, 10 boards, 3 blocks, 1 steal.

Moment of the Night: There were two. First, Manu takes no prisoners:

And, of course: The Truth shines under MSG’s bright lights, followed by STAT’s negated game-winner:

(H/T @Jose3030)

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  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Myles Brown

    He traveled.

  • matt the jazz fan

    is it me or do real winners not feel – legitimised/legitimated/whatever the right word is – by a loss, no matter how close? by all accounts a great game. but still: win against miami, and then we’ll talk…

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    TRUTH: Paul Pierce was celebrating like he won a pretty big game.

  • Bruno

    so rondo dished 14 and no mention of felton 26 and 14???

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    I hate Paul Pierce. I hate his ugly looking facial hair. I hate his face. I hate his jump shot. I hate his grandpa speed. I hate his arrogance. I hate his voice. Honestly, if he died today I would feel alot better.

  • http://www.slam.com MARTEY

    Yea Pierce took a winner’s lap around the court and a bow on the NYC logo at centercourt. Hope the Knicks remember that for next time. Where’s Oakley when you need him.

  • http://afjkl.com Jukai

    Was this one of the best nights in basketball or what? Wow.

  • http://slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    Didn’t the Celtics win on the buzzer last year at the Garden? However, the Knicks do look like a legit play-off team, not sure I would call them a legit contender.
    CP3 had 22 on 11 shots, and 11 assists with no TO’S. Also, free Marcus Thornton!! Nawlins need a scorer, and they have one sitting on the bench for 40 plus minutes a game.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Pierce did go a little overboard with the victory lap bullsh*t. Spike Lee should have kneed him like the coach on the Jets did to the Dolphins player.

  • riggs

    lmao @ nate, he doesnt EVER get hurt.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Sorry, when you give up 118 points in a last second loss, you ain’t a legit threat. They’re entertaining and have a nice squad going, but their ain’t a trace of defense in the Garden…..exactly like the Phoenix Suns for a several year stretch that never amounted to anything.

  • riggs

    also that victory lap was a F U to everybody who called it a rivalry.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    While I didn’t see the game and the angle on the reply Adam posted is terrible, did the Bucks defender (who I can’t make out either)knock the ball from Manu’s grasp and he collected it again or did he fumble it and step back in the jumper. If it’s the first one, it’s not a travel. If he fumbled it, that game should have went to overtime.

  • http://afjkl.com Jukai

    Eboy: Yeah, maybe the Knicks’ll have the mob reffing them in the playoffs too.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I am upset with Riles a little bit that he didn’t make the play for Amare. That dude is on fire. I loved how he was wetting jumpers right in KG’s mouth over and over. KG played a pretty decent game too, but dude was overpowered.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jesus, Jukai, wasn’t that 5 seasons ago?

  • http://afjkl.com Jukai

    IT BURNS DEEP BRO!!!!!

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Ah, the overconfidence of an Nba champion, in a league with the infamous .4 Fisher shot not too long ago, mind you. That 3 by STAT was equally fantastic.
    I really enjoyed Nate trying to mate with Paul’s head, while PP was on the move, was laughing Hyena-style at KG bowing after the shot BUT, Knicks nearly made em pay.
    (of course with a seasoned/healthy center playing for the greenies, probably wouldn’t have been a nailbiter)

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Naah E, Manu jabbed in and Luc gave him a hard forearm shiver that threw Manu off-balance then Manu jumped back. Ball never left Man-Ufo’s hand.

  • ClydeSays

    Great game. Knicks were killing it from the perimeter. Felton was torturing Rondo from deep. Ray & Davis hit some cold blooded shots the stretch. Classic step back from Pierce. The C’s know how to finish close games.

    As for the Knicks, good game but what about attempting a lob for the final shot? It looked like they didn’t even consider it. No Knick was even close to the basket.

  • ClydeSays

    Great game. Knicks were killing it from the perimeter. Felton was torturing Rondo from deep. Ray & Davis hit some cold blooded shots the stretch. Classic step back from Pierce. The C’s know how to finish close games.

    As for the Knicks, good game but what about attempting a lob for the final shot? It looked like they didn’t even consider it. No Knick was even close to the basket.

    Nate, man. What a goof. He tried TWICE to jump on Pierce and missed both times. Nice work off the bench though…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    @Dark, but did Manu lose control of the ball at all? I still can’t tell from the replay.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Imo, he didn’t, Mbah a Moute would have swiped it otherwise. I think he held it the whole time.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    2nd game in a row the Mavs built a palace with all the bricks they chucked from 3.
    3rd game in a row they’ve let huge leads dwindle to nothing late… pedal to the metal, men!
    (yes, nitpicking but these lapses worry me)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    It should be a travel then….or a blocking foul. But we all know whistles get swallowed at those moments.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Dark, I’ve been trying not to talk much about the Heat during their streak, but last night the played like an uninterested team all night. Very similar to how they looked before the streak started. If it wasn’t for Dwyane’s final push, Cleveland could have stole that game. Bosh was nonexistent. Bron didn’t do much of anything. Spo coached horribly. Chalmers was terrible. Honestly, I don’t know how they won it. I spoke to one of my buddies that works for the Heat and told him early in the day yesterday that they were going to be in for a battle last night. He laughed at me. Later in the night he texted me an apology. The Cavs played with pride. I think the game in NYC tomorrow night is going to be more of a show than a battle like last nights game. I think the Knicks will pull off the win. I hate going against my boys, but I think the Knicks will be hyped and pi*sed from the Celtics loss and build up a big lead early and won’t look back.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Word to Myles, Manu traveled.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Oh, and why did Paul Pierce have to bite Reggie Miller’s MSG bow?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    And the Mavs are pretenders.

  • Chris

    TSA are investigating why Manu didn’t get a pat down and asked for his passport after that travel.

  • marc

    I really didn’t like that last play for amare. Yes he was hot but his release is too slow and you can tell he had to set his feet which took off more time. If you look gallo was open for a split second and had plenty of space.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Eboy, makes sense to me, but remember when Heat were floundering and peeps here were allover their ish. Now it’s all about “knicks need to beat an one of these 2 teams to validate their recent success”. The Heat, measuring stick all of a sudden. Time flies.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    Co sign all 3 B. Crawford comments. So if the Spurs beat the Lakers in the WC finals, do they present a tougher matchup for the Celtics? Lot of assumpstions in there, obviously, but just curious. Oh, and Eboy, you feeling ok today? Pretty calm commentary from you, no vitriol, sarcasm, etc.

  • ErnieD

    Props to the Knicks for making it a game down to the very last .04 second. Knick fans should keep in mind that Boston was minus Shaq, Jermaine and Perk, and I look forward to a rematch in a few months, or in the playoffs. C’s are resting both O’Neils and Perk is on target to come back in a couple of months. Meanwhile, Celts managed to win with Semi Erden starting at Center. Who Dat? He was the last player taken in the second round a couple of years ago, whom most Celtic fans assumed would never play here. He’s got a bum shoulder that surgery, and the Celtics have no choice but to ride him like a rented mule. Spike Lee always celebrates too soon.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Holiday season, kid. Warmer, friendlier Eboy. Like a fuzzy teddy bear.

  • http://thekobebeef.wordpress.com LDR4

    Ginobili traveled and Pierce extended his arm to clear room. Both shots should have been waived off. C’est la vie.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Does Amare come through or what? If he had a little more time it would’ve been 42 and a crazy game winner to one of the best games of this young season. 39 is still pretty good :P Glad to see the Knicks are doing well. This Heat-Knicks game could be an absolute highlight game for LeBron and wade too. The Knicks, obviously, have a running offense and rebounds from their misses could lead to one of the most fun displays of Miami’s talent this season. All those extra possesions. I can only imagine what Bron and Wade are gonna do with that new ‘reward system’ Spo put in. Seeing how the Knicks are allowing almost everyone to drop more than 100 on them. This is going to be pure entertainment and if the teams manage to keep it close it’s going to be even more awesome.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    Damn E, that’s a shame. You’re like the lightning rod of this message board. You know what happens when there’s no lightning rod.

    Heat-Knicks is going to be awesome.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Kris….I’m sure it won’t take long for E-Grinch to roll back up, so stay tuned….

  • T-Money

    E: 82 games, bro. You’re not clicking every night, it happens (especially on a 10-game winning streak). Miami also has to learn to grind out games and win ugly, which they did. Bron didn’t have it last night but it was encouraging that he put his head down and went to the line 18 times. Wade is back to playing like Flash. Now I know why Arroyo starts, he’s just more steady – even though Chalmers hit 4 bombs in the 2nd half. Friday would be a good opportunity to try out a line up with Bron and Bosh at the 4 and 5.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Eboy and Jukai; True, the Knicks are looking like a revamped Phoenix team; Great regular season play, no defense whatsoever, mid-to-late playoff exit. However, I am interested in seeing how a successful Phoenix system will play out in the Eastern Conference.

  • T-Money

    Oh and STAT is beasting right now. Don’t be mad at Riles though. STAT was never part of Wade’s and James’ vision – he wasn’t a redeem teamer. And I think he even lives in Miami in the off-season!

  • T-Money

    Spaceship: 1st round exit. I can’t see them having home court or beating MIA, BOS, ORL or CHI.

  • fizzrocket

    People will hate on Paul Pierce for anything. Like literally anything. It’s a bit pathetic. Dude hit a big shot, he can celebrate if he wants to. Nate jumping on him afterwards was pretty hilarious. Manu traveled by the way.

  • bucketorocks

    If Shaq was in uniform it wouldn’t have been close. Seriously, Semih Erden was getting the vast majority of the minutes at the 5.

  • http://slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    T-money – I agree, unless NY makes a trade, which seems inevitable.

  • A.

    @fizzrocket:
    Now imagine the reaction if it were LeBron doing it? Stop complaining. Fans of opposing teams will b*tch and moan, that’s just how it is. It comes with the territory.

  • JTaylor21

    I have no problem with what PP did after hitting the GW shot and as a matter of fact I loved every minute of it. You should be given the right to show your a** after a shot like that. The knicks never should have switched on that KG screen or Amare should have let PP drive and maybe he could have blocked the shot instead he played right into his hand and PP hit him with his go-to move. Also Manu traveled like a G4 on his GW shot but it seems like people are somehow giving him a pass on that one. You can’t take a step then hop all the way back and land on two feet and it not be a travel. The refs were prisoners of the moment and probably were scared of calling a travel in SA.

  • Bruno

    I wanted the Knicks to win just to see the faces of Pierce and Nate, if the clock had like 1 more second they’d beat those celtics … did anybody see the reaction of Spike after the shot of Amare went in, I can’t imagine what’d happen if the refs said it counted

  • http://www.double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Don’t know if it was mentioned, but roffle @ the comic font Adam.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I agree with Myles. Clear travel according to the rules.

  • RunningBrave

    Good times find ways to grind it out and win, no matter what the circumstances are. Boston’s shorthanded, and yet they still won! That was the best outing of the year for NY and they still lost!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh and “Moral victories are for minor league coaches…”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Let’s be clear, Manu did not get pushed. He PUSHED off the same way Pierce pushed off. He just didn’t lose the defender with his push, and then made a crazy hop step.
    Come one people, watch Manu dip the shoulder and use the flipper. I’m not complaining about that move, that’s a legit NBA move. But, you can’t make that move, get stymied, and then jumpe backwards five feet to get clearance, all while not landing on both feet when you land. It was all kinds of travel.

  • http://slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    For two weeks now we’ve heard how everything came together because of the team meeting that followed a 106-95 Nov. 27 loss in Dallas, which also is the last time this team lost. No it didn’t. It mostly came together because of a schedule so soft that it would take profound failure to lose.

    Thats Ira Winderman, one of the Heat beat writers. He’s talking about how the Heat need the Knicks at the Garden, and the big games there after. The next two weeks should be a great test for Miami.

  • JTaylor21

    Amare seems to have no idea of time management is, the way he took his time to square up and shoot the shot made it seem like there were 2 seconds not .4 on the clock. He should have just chucked it up there as soon as he caught instead he acted like he was alone in a gym, working on his jumper. Come on son, you’re better than that.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    T-Money: If they get the 5th seed I they have potential to beat the teams below them. But your right, they can’t beat the teams you listed 4 times.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, he’s wrong. Miami was playing like crap even against crap teams. The way they are running right now is very, VERY different from what they did before, and the running has made them work harder on defense, which is also a change. The schedule has been softer, but that’s not the real reason. They lost to crap teams when they were losing.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Yeah, yeah and Jordan just wanted to pat Russell’s tush on his “last” shot. Imo Luc shoved Manu hard enough to warrant a foul. Refs swallowed their whistles and let both violations slide.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    How about Nate Robinson jumping all over Pierce like an excited school girl and then flipping himself on his head? D’antoni coached teams will always be entertaining, but they won’t be legit come playoffs when teams lock down on D and the half court game rules all. I know the Suns got far under him, but that was an exceptionally talented team and they still came up short.

  • http://slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    I think he’s wrong too, its a combo of softer schedule (during this streak) and improved play. Although I don’t think the Pacers are a ‘crap’ team, and Memphis seemingly always play big against the elite.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dark
    I respect you man, you have to watch it from the back angle to really appreciate what I’m saying. Trust me Luc did not fould dude, or even really push him hard. Look up the clip they ran on NBA tv, that was a better angle to see that Luc’s arm never comes away from his body, while Manu’s clearly does.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ben
    Maybe “crap” team is a little strong for those team, but they both fit the “bad” team designation since they are under .500

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pG-D-dFplM
    This has the rear angle, that shows that the only arm that extends is Manu’s. Check it out.

  • JTaylor21

    Darksaber, Luc didn’t even extend him arm on that play and Manu is the one that faked the contact then proceeded to travel. Now if it was bron or wade that did that move, everyone on here would be crying travel but Manu does it and people are quieter than a church mouse. A travel is a travel and dude traveled.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Okay Allen, i’ll have a look-see.

  • http://slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    True, but Memphis have quietly won 4 straight and our in the play-off picture out West. There are usually 1 or 2 good teams that get shut out every year.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I stopped watching a long time ago, but can somebody answer if Spo is still rotating DWade and LBJ and not having them play a whole lot of minutes on the floor at the same time? If he is, I’m extremely happy.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Man, it sucks living where there’s a four-hour difference from the East Coast. I bought League Pass but still miss a lot of games because by the time I get home it’s already like 10 PM Eastern. How the hell do you European cats watch games? And I thought with League Pass games would repeat after they were over?? I’m missing way too many games. I set my DVR to record all the Bulls games but still miss out on all other games except on the weekends.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Diesel: THAT so belongs in an Nba “where Nate happens” promo. The whole sequence had me in stitches. Nate & the Truth, KG bowing (my fav.), Daniels screaming like a banshee… so much joyous celebration.
    And there was still time on the clock.
    C’s be crazy, but i like it.

  • http://www.double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Pilot Talk 2 should be required listening while watching a sub par team play on tv.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Enigmatic
    The games repeat on certain cable providers. but not on Direct TV. The only good thing about Direct TV is they have a CRAZY amount of games in HD. Almost every game it feels like. But, other than that they suck, which is why I dropped them.

  • http://afjkl.com Jukai

    Bryan: Spo still is rotating them, but generally Lebron and Wade are playing much better together.

  • Drew

    If it wasn’t a rivalry before it very well might be the start of one now. I’m happily surprised how well the Knicks are playing this year. It’s definitely a good thing to see them winning again. This game was by no means a “Loss”, sure they got an L in the books, but they took it to the Celtics in the chin. If they had a second more on that clock it would’ve been a W. It was an overall great game for the Knicks either way.

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, on my TV I could watch games I missed all through the night until about 2PM the next day. Something may be wrong with your LP or maybe you’re not looking hard enough. And by 10PM eastern, do you mean the next day?

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    I was about to say, they all repeat at my house. Direct TV is whack

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Jukai: It’s easy to play well together when you’re going up against crappy teams which is less than impressive to me. But if Spo is still rotating them, good.

  • http://afjkl.com Jukai

    BC: Sorry, maybe you misunderstood my post. I should have said “lately” lebron and Wade have been playing better together, so you realized I was talking about when they played against both Utah and New Orleans, who are playoff bound teams in the superior western conference. Sorry about the confusion.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Hasn’t one of the acknowledged keys to the win streak been the unstoppable nature of Bron and Wade on the break?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Jukai – do you still think the Western conference is superior? I think its pretty damn even – if not leaning towards the East.

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    Pierce slid his pivot foot. Travelling there as well. But whatever, he’s still a d0uchebag one way or the other. And shoutout to all NBA 2k11 PC gamers, I feel your pain.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, I have Direct TV so that’s probably why that happens. Overall I’m still way too happy with Direct TV to drop them though. They’re a lot cheaper than the local cable company, even after the introductory price ends, and Dish Network is basically nonexistent up here. Thanks for the info, Allen.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    I don’t have New Orleans making the playoffs.

  • T-Money

    Jukai, BC: what does rotating them mean? d-wade gets his 4 minutes of rest at the end of the first quarter and third quarter, bron gets 4 mins of rest at the beginning of the second quarter and fourth quarter. the goal is to make sure that there is always one of them on the floor at all times – wouldn’t it be counter-productive for them to go to the bench together and have no playmaker on the floor? how else would you do it????

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    If the playoffs started today, Milwaukee and Indiana would be in. So I’d say the West is still the better conference.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Paul Pierce is a poor man’s Carmelo Anthony, and an even bigger punk.

  • T-Money

    We’ve already established that BC finds nothing special or impressive about Miami lol (and the comments section has been very pleasant since he stopped posting) / Zee!: I see you on that Curren$y joint. Fire.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Who said anything about sitting them both at the same time? I just asked a question…

  • JTaylor21

    No other team has a chance of coming out of the west except the Lakers while the east has 3 teams that can make it out, that should tell you all you need to know about which is the best conference.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Disclaimer – I mean punk is a good way. Like, you’d love him on your team, but hate going against him kind of punk. lol

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    I loved Pierce’s “haters gonna hate” shrug after Amare started talking to him about the shot. Straight ubuntu-ed all over MSG.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money: Who am I to interfere with a love-fest? You guys are going to keep swinging from the sack regardless of what I say. So why bother? I’ll let you guys keep slobbing the Heat as well as each other. And to correct your usual inaccuracy, I said that I don’t find anything “special” or “impressive” about LeBron and I don’t like the Heat.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    The Spurs have a solid chance of making it out of the West. They don’t fear the Lakers at all, nor does Phil Jackson’s mind games work on them.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I sure wish that shot by Amar’e counted…the look on PP’s face after it went in was classic.

  • T-Money

    So if your post didn’t imply sitting them at the same time, what does rotating mean and why does that make you happy? It would be an odd question otherwise, no? / Fine: you don’t find lebron special or impressive and you don’t like miami because lebron plays for miami. also, you don’t find miami’s current form special or impressive. are those statements accurate?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Enigmatic – when fully healthy the Bucks are a dangerous team. better tahn Denver, NO, and Phoenix in my mind….again, when fully healthy.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money: To answer your first question, just call it a personal satisfaction. And to your second question, their current form is some wack attempt at microwaving a dynasty and was constructed similarly to a pre-fab house which are also wack. So no, I don’t find that special and it’s less than impressive. Like this winning streak.

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    Diesel: really? I mean, I love me some deer, but I think they’ve hit a wall, much like the last team skiles coached. Them being not healthy has nothing to do with their horrendous shooting.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Nate Robinson is a cartoon.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I think people vastly overrated the Bucks during the offseason. I remember getting skewered on here during the summer cause I said they wouldn’t be THAT good. But I think their problems are more than health too.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Krishan, if the Bucks can get back to playing how they were before Bogut went down last year, then yes I think they’re better than those 3 teams. But you raise a good point; I don’t know if they’re not playing to last year’s form because of injuries or because Skiles’ hard nosed defensive coaching is losing its effect.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Any team with John Salmons, Corey Maggette, Drew Gooden and Chris Douglas Roberts in a starring role, and Brandon “Layups are not my friend” Jennings as their floor general is not serious.
    Then again, Denver and Phoenix view defense as optional, and New Orleans’ best player is dragging his leg like KG, so I don’t know.
    Chris Paul probably won’t be back to normal until next year. Remember, everybody agrees it takes like two years to recover fully from a serious knee injury.

  • JTaylor21

    Here we go again The Omnipotent one is back, spewing his bron is not special and miami is trying to “microwave” a dynasty crap. That has to be the funniest line I’ve ever read on the net, “microwave”. Didn’t the celtics, lakers and almost every good team do the exact same thing the heat did this off-season but I didn’t hear you calling them microwavable. Come on BCrawford, you’re better than that, on second thought maybe not.

  • T-Money

    the first question was not answered. what does rotating bron and wade mean? how is that different than any other team? do you consider ray ray and paul to be “rotating” when they don’t go to the bench at the same time? pau and kob? and how do you find personal satisfaction in having one of miami’s two best players on the floor at all times? They play the vast majority of their minutes together and, more importantly, the last 8-10 mins of the game? seems… odd. you’re kinda reaching for stuff, no? // teams coming together through draft picks and shrewd trades orchestrated by savvy GMs, it’s such a romantic idea. nothing like the cold, calculated ugliness of free agents swapping teams. are you still on that ish? like, for real? whatever works for you… but it’s hard not to notice that you MUCH MORE to say about miami when they were 9-8.

  • T-Money

    the first question was not answered. what does rotating bron and wade mean? how is that different than any other team? do you consider ray ray and paul to be “rotating” when they don’t go to the bench at the same time? pau and kob? and how do you find personal satisfaction in having one of miami’s two best players on the floor at all times? They play the vast majority of their minutes together and, more importantly, the last 8-10 mins of the game? seems… odd. you’re kinda reaching for stuff, no?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Oh look, it’s The Notorious G.R.O.U.P.I.E.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If y’all don’t think Bryan’s comments are worthwhile, why do y’all go back and forth with him so often?

  • T-Money

    not to be a debbie downer on the knicks but they’re still in the bottom 5 for rebounds and points allowed. which means ZERO noise in the postseason.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    This is how I break down the east and west..and why I give the edge to the east
    East

    True Championship Contenders:
    Miami
    Boston
    Orlando

    Very close to Championship Contenders:
    Chicago

    Legit Playoff Team:
    Atlanta
    New York

    Fell into the playoffs:
    Whichever 2 teams you want to put here

    West

    True Championship Contenders:
    Lakers
    San Antonio

    Very close to Championship Contenders:
    Dallas

    Legit Playoffs Team:
    OKC
    Utah

    Fell into the playoff:
    Whichever 3 teams you want to put here

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Co-sign AllenP. If y’all think BC’s a fool, remember that Jay-Z line, “A wise man once told me never argue with fools…” Y’all know the rest.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I refuse to explain my points to groupies anymore T-Money because there is no talking to you guys. My question was answered, I’m pleased, and there will be no elaboration. Especially considerinf your wack Boston and LA Examples.

  • JTaylor21

    Like he said before, I do it just to rile him up and I know how he gets. It’s all in good nature. He talks sh*t and I respond in kind. He is a pit and I’m Mike Vick.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    So basically Diesel, your argument is that the East is more top-heavy, my argument is that the bottom of the East’s playoff hopefuls suck.

  • T-Money

    allen: i’m actually trying to understand what he meant. honest. // brandon jennings shot 42% at the rim last year. AT THE RIM! it’s almost comical, i expect the lay up not to fall when he drives. the bucks can only win with defense but as we’ve seen with skiles, guys tend to tune him out after a while because he only has one speed.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’m not a fool. Far from it actually. But I know basketball. I don’t apologize for that.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Basically Enigmatic…I’m kind of arguing too that when it gets to those bottom 2 or 3 its a toss up on both sides so I don’t place a lot of emphasis on it.

  • T-Money

    BC called me a groupie. This kinda stings but at least you’re pleased, I’m happy for you. I was actually intrigued by what you meant by rotating guys but you’re absolutely correct – you don’t have to explain yourself, especially to a groupie.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The bottom of the East does suck. Badly.
    But, how many truly horribly teams are there in the East right now?
    I would say the Wizards, and maybe, sadly, the Nets. But, the Nets could change if Lopez decides to start rebounding and defending.
    In the West, you have the Clippers, the Kings, and the Wolves.
    I think the teams out West get to fatten up more on their weaklings, but I do think that the from top to bottom, the playoff teams out West are better than the playoff teams in the East.
    But, the gap is nowhere near where it was a few years ago.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    T-money – to end the back and forth I’ll break it down for you. BC was referring to earlier in the season, when Miami wasn’t playing well, the little success they had was when either Lebron or Wade was on the bench and they rotated which one of them was on the court with Bosh. Obviously, you don’t want your team to be successful by benching one of its 2 best players. So BC was simply just asking if Miami’s new found success is because they’ve continued with that rotation of only Lebron or Wade on the court with Bosh at any one time or if all three have learned to play together at the same time. In my opinion at least that’s what he’s saying.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You can’t have a reasonable discussion without mutual respect. If a man doesn’t respect you, it makes sense to avoid talking to him unless you’re seeking a confrontation.
    Think about it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    I’m pretty sure T-Money knew that.

  • JTaylor21

    I forgot who said it yesterday but ever since dude wasn’t on here commenting everyone has been argeeing to disagree and there hasn’t been any name calling but as soon as he gets back, he’s back to calling people “groupies” and insulting anyone that slightly disagrees with his opinion. You would think that someone that cliams he’s a grownup and been around since the middle age would be more mature but that’s probably asking too much from dude.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    You got it Diesel.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    As of right now, the winning percentages of the 6th, 7th and 8th seeds in the West are a combined 56%, compared to the 8th, 7th and 6th seed in the East which are a combined %50. Which tells me the West is still deeper. I expect this trend to continue all season.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    As of right now, the winning percentages of the 6th, 7th and 8th seeds in the West are a combined 56%, compared to the 8th, 7th and 6th seed in the East which are a combined %50. Which tells me the West is still deeper. I expect this trend to continue all season.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    *56%. And screw you Slam, don’t tell me to slow down!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    JTaylor21 you say you basically get into it with BC just to rile him up. But seems like he suceeds more in riling you up, don’t you think?

  • T-Money

    Diesel – the only problem is that it never happened. The rotation for the Big 3 has been constant since the start of the year: Bosh and Wade go out together at the 4 min mark and Bron finishes the quarter. Then Bron rests for the first 4 mins of the next quarter and Bosh/Wade play the entire quarter. It’s physically impossible to rotate two guys when they play 40 minutes each. Chalmers and Arroyo rotate. Damp and Z rotate. The Big three plays at the very least 32 minutes together every game. At least. Since the start of the year (and I’ve watched every game). What has changed is the combination of players around them when they’re on the court (a mor convention line up with a C and PG at all times)Nahmean?

  • http://afjkl.com Jukai

    Minnesota is really a lot better than their record shows. They’ve had some tough losses.

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpy8b43-UMo
    Move to the end of the video (1:45) and watch Manu from the second angle, did he really travel ? I dont think so

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Jukai you think they will start winning? I got them finishing with 32 wins, I don’t see them getting higher then a max of 35

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    T-money – I don’t watch that many Miami games, but the ones I watched earlier in the year, there were definitly extended periods of time where only Wade or Lebron were on the court with Bosh. I think Allen even broke out a stat showing increased production from Bosh when he was on the court with Lebron versus Wade. It did happen earlier in the year. Apparently its not happening now.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    its still happening. Maybe even more so. They are just more effective now with all 3 on the court, and that has overshadowed that they are still playin well with one of them on the bench.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’m interested to see that Minny team with Flynn back.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Rambis has to give him some minutes though. Right now it’s Ridnours world out there

  • http://afjkl.com Jukai

    NBK: Their current path puts them on about 25 wins, I think. I think 30-35 is far more realistic for the talent they have, and it would definitely be higher if they played in the east, regardless of how top heavy it is.
    And Ridnour is a better player than Flynn.

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, it’s a two way street. I also don’t take what he says personally because like he said before it’s in him to be that way. It’s just that he gets a free pass to insult and call people names because he’s a so-called “writer” for the mag.

  • Bruno

    between Houston, Minnesota, Sacramento, LA Clippers and Detroit, New Jersey, Washington, Cleveland … which four bottom teams you’d pick, east or west

  • Max

    Manu.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    I never said he wasn’t a better player. I was just saying Flynn isn’t going to get minutes because of Ridnour. Flynn was a horrible draft pick that early, I have been saying it since before that draft

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    If I get a “free pass to insult and call people names” because of my SLAM affiliation, then what was your excuse, JT21? Pot, meet kettle… Just sayin’.

  • JTaylor21

    I don’t undersand how people can still claim that the west is the better conference. Regardless of how many 50 win teams are in the west at the end of the year, none of them have a legitimate chance of beating the lakers in a seven game series. While in the east there are 3 bonafide championship contenders who can beat the other in a playoff series. I tend to give the edge to a conference that can produce more championship contenders than one with only one. Also only a few teams care about playing D out west.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Lots of revisionist history that goes on in here…

  • T-Money

    Diesel – How can there be extended period of times when Bosh is on the floor without one or the other when both play 40 minutes a game? It’s mathematically impossible. If by extended you mean 4 minutes, well… okay then. I will give you that Bosh’s production was higher when he was on the floor with Bron alone vs when it was on the floor with Wade alone… but that doesn’t mean the Big 3 was on the floor for less time, it’s just comparing data. / NBK – Your naked eye is failing you: pay attention to the minutes, the only time they’re not all on the floor together is at the beginning or end of quarters to catch some rest. They all play 40 mins.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Jtaylor21 – I don’t think BC gets a “free pass” cause honestly, no one enforces the rules around here and we’ve all on occasion insulted the hell out of someone else on here before. Hell, me and you had our first encounter on here over more than a few nasty insults (glad we got over that, though, cause I think you’re a good dude). I just think when he does it, it’s hyped up more because he does write for Slam Online. It’s like people say “he can’t talk to us like that! He’s one of their writers!” But I’ve actually seen Ryan Jones and Russ Bengston say way worse to commenters than Bryan ever did, and they’re both former Editors-In-Cheif.

  • Max

    Manu…

    According to the NBA Rulebook, “The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.” Thus, Ginobili’s step-back (with his left foot, prior to the jump stop) is his actual first step. The rulebook also states that “a progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step.” Ginobili does just that, and gives us a fine example of a perfectly legal jump stop. He jumps immediately afterward to fire up the game-winner, which means for those counting at home, the entire sequence consisted of a rulebook-entitled two steps.

    Got this off 48MOH

  • JTaylor21

    BC, it’s because I possess diplomatic immunity. I don’t take anything you say to heart because I know it’s mostly BS and because I kinda of respect and envy what you do for a living. @Enigmatic, great points and how’s that great alaskan weather treating you?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    T-money, Wade is averaging 35 minutes a game. Lebron is averaging 37. Wade’s minutes for his first 6 games were:3, 37, 35, 34, 27, 24. Of the 13 games in November Wade only had four 40 minutes games. otherwise he’s concistenlty played low to mid 30′s. Some of those games I listed, there were 20 minutes…almost half the game, where Lebron and Bosh could have been playing without Wade.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    One degree farenheit. FML.

  • JTaylor21

    Well, I really don’t envy you. At least you get to see da bulls winning and grinning, though losing Noah for about 2 months is going to hurt.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Anthony, see how Manu took that step back first?
    That’s perfectly legally. See how he realized that step back was not going to create enough space, and then jumped back again another three feet? That’s completely illegal. Completely and totally illegal. You can’t take a step, then do a jumpstop. The jumpstop counts as both of your alloted steps. This is the same thing that happened with the crab dribble, only much, MUCH worse.
    I’m not hating, I just like for things to be stated as they are. Calls will be missed in any game, and that call was clearly missed.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Yes you do, JT21. But I don’t hold that against you, lol. It’s only natural because I can’t front, it’s pretty cool. I’d be lying if I said that it wasn’t. Who wouldn’t want to be close to the game like that and have an opportunity to talk with people that most will only get to see on TV or chop it up with folks behind the scenes that the average person doesn’t even know exists? Trust me, if you really love basketball, it’s the coolest thing ever. I don’t take it for granted one bit. And at least you’re honest about it… I respect that. And we’ll be fine without Noah. Yeah it sucks, but we’ve been here before.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Max
    You can gather off one foot and then do a jump stop. You can’t excute a stepback, which involves moving both feet, and then do a jump stop. You really, really can’t. That’s three steps, because the jump stop counts as two.

  • Max

    Allenp, just stop, you are making a fool out of yourself.

  • http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ Jukai

    @Bryan: I actually think the Bulls are gonna hurt without Noah. They have a deep frontcourt, but it’s mostly comprised of power forwards. Noah was one of the best defensive 5s in the L, that always smarts. I’d say a good 5 games will be lost without Noah. Admittedly, you watch way more Bulls games than I do.
    @Max: Allenp argued his point with a high level of respect and intellect. You made a fool out of yourself for responding the way you did. If you either believe Allen is wrong or you saw things differently, say so. Why in the world would you respond in that way?

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Manu did not travel

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Jukai – I think an easier December/January schedule helps the Bulls. The streaking Knicks play Amare at center at 6’9″. Other than Orlando and Boston, I don’t think there’s any center in the east that Boozer can’t handle. Or at least that the Bulls can’t handle by committee. We’ll suffer, but not as much as we did when Noah was out last year

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp
  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    5 games lost in 8-10 weeks? I’ll take that, Jukai. Who wouldn’t? Yes, we’ll lose something on defense, but as I’ve said before, Noah is a hustle guy, not a skill guy. You can make up for what he does on the floor collectively. It’s not like DRose is down for 8-10 weeks, then we’d have no chance. And keep in mind, Taj Gibson is no slouch offensively or defensively and Omer Asik is a very solid rebounder, and he’s 7-feet tall. Trust me, Chicago will be fine.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    I think he’s saying 5 additional games on top of what the Bulls normally would have lost.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Oh, and word to Enigmatic too at 2:33. I haven’t been around for as long as a lot of people here have, but as it was explained to me when I first started, Ryan and Russ used to GO IN on people on the regular. It’s funny how all of a sudden the comment section was as peaceful as Pandora and then I showed up and turned it into a war zone. Revisionist history…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Diesel, we lost 10 in a row last season in the middle of a run for the 8th seed with Joakim out. I’d all but given up any hope to make the postseason, but we did. We’re a stronger and deeper team now though. No worries…

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Oh I agree. We did just fine without Boozer. I think we’ll do just fine without Noah. Especially since I read something like out of the 35 games Noah will miss, 9 will be vs teams above .500.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    it was crazy confrontational when I started commenting on here like 2 years ago. And I mean brutal

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I think y’all are undervaluing how much Noah does for our team. I’m not just talking about stats. He’s their vocal leader, their defensive leader, their best hustler. Taj is nowhere near as consistent, Asik nowhere near as talented, and Thomas nowhere near as young.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    I think Noah being gone will hurt Chicago’s overall record, but I doubt it affects playoff seeding. Chicago will be 4th, Atlanta or Milwaukee will be 5.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Max
    I’m fine with the points I made. If folks disagree, they disagree. Dude did a stepback, then broke off the step back to hop backwards. If folks think that’s legal, fine. But I remember the outcry over the crab dribble.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Max at 235 FTW

  • Max

    @ Jukai did you not read what i posted just a few moments before Allen responded? I told him to stop, because he was trying to argue with something that clearly wasn’t there. So my last post was right on the money, just like Manu’s game winner.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    the crab dribble was before they revised the traveling rule wasn’t it

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Didn’t Henry Abbott run a piece recently criticizing Dwyane Wade for jumping off one foot and then landing on that same foot because he believed that was a direct violation of the rules?…
    Also, as for the comment section. I’ve been here a really long time. If you do a search for my name, you’ll see it on here for years. The comment section has been harsh at times and it’s been calm.
    I don’t complain too much about people’s ridiculous comments because overall, I’ve found that if you refrain from name calling and inflammatory statements, 99 percent of people will respond to you in kind. When I first started commenting on here I butted heads with folks a lot more about race and basketball, and even then, we rarely started calling each other names even when we might not have been totally polite.
    If everybody wants things to be a certain way, then behave that way EVEN WHEN PROVOKED. This is just the internet. If someone calls you a name, or questions your manhood, it doesn’t actually affect you in real life. You don’t even know these people.

  • JTaylor21

    I think that y’all are really underestimating what Noah brings to the bulls. Dude is their best defensive player by far, he’s their best defensive frontcourt, he erases a lot of the bulls mistakes on defense, and he’s their heart and soul and the one player you can count on to bring it every night. Now CBooz is the guy that’s going to have to anchor the back-line defense, is that okay with bulls fans? Also just because they have an easy schedule coming up, doesn’t mean that they will win the majority of them.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sorry it wasn’t Abbott himself, but the cat at Hardwood Paroxysm. Here is what he said :
    For those who have been following this series, the travel here should be obvious…yet it isn’t called. The NBA’s video rulebook is quite clear on this move: “an offensive player with the ball may not hop consecutively on the same foot upon ending his dribble.”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Never, ever doubt me suckers. Lol.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    The bottom feeders in the leastern conf are :toronto, nets, pistons, cavs, wizards, bobcats. Indy is barely above that group. Then theres mil, atl, and chi. Then orl mia bos. West worst are : clips, lwolves, kings. Ws, suns, rockets, blazers, buggs, grizz right above that. Then denver, jazz, okc, lal, mavs and spurs at the top. …… Even the worst teams in the west are capable and present problems. Gordon and blake, love and beas, evans and cuz. The disparity isnt as large as it used to be, but it still exists.

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, I’m not really worried about the name-calling itself because like you said none of us will ever met each other in real life but what happened to strictly talking basketball and leaving the BS aside. Isn’t that what this site was made for?

  • Max

    It was a backwards jump stop.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Allen did Manu plant his right foot before that stepback? I can’t tell, but now that you brougth it up it really may have been a travel.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    I dont recall ever seeing dwade pick up his dribble, then hop on the same foot twice. Although, that would be pretty funny to see.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Ryan basically called out all the commentors one time for having no lives.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Last year Derrick and Joakim were all we had. Losing one crippled the team severely. C’mon people. Not to downplay the importance of Joakim, but DRose and Booze are more than capable of doing the heavy lifting on O and this is not a VDN coached team. And I’m sorry that we’re not the Heat who apparently are the only team who can capitalize on an easy schedule missing key roster pieces. I see you, JT.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tarzan do an internet search for Wade’s name and traveling and the clip will pop up. The difference between what Wade did and what Manu did was that Manu jumped backwards.
    Look at the move and watch his left foot again.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    haha that’s what I meant Left Foot, it did plant before the actual stepback/hopstep landed?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Unless he has the ability to levitate it did.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh, and I don’t know if y’all noticed, but I posted another link to a story breaking down the difference in shots for Amare and Bosh and basically recapping the discussion we had yesterday about who would be better on the Heat.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    hard plant with the right foot, hop back on the left foot, then an additional hop for more space.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    For sure, I am on a pretty sh*tty computer at work, youtube videos do not come through very clean.

  • JTaylor21

    Touché BC touché, I understand where you’re coming from, CBooz and DRose are more than enough to get some wins but their defense is going to suffer alot with Noah out. You can score all you want but to win games vs good teams you’re going to have to lock down on defense and the bulls two remaining best players play turrible D. Also are we now comparing booz/rose to wade/bron?

  • T-Money

    nbk – the travel ruling was modified to reflect the way it has always been called since at least the 50s (as far back as true hoop went in their articles about the subject). the archaic ruling allowed for one step after gathering the ball whereas two steps after gathering have always been allowed in basketball at any level in any country. so technically the ruling did change but practically, not at all.

  • http://slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    Nbk – Why don’t you have Nawlins making the play-offs? You think Phoenix, Memphis (or someone else) will finish with a better record? I’m assuming you have Portland finishing above them as well.
    They haven’t played great lately but they are a play-off team, especially if Monty starts using Marcus Thornton in the Jamal Crawford role. Any team with Chris Paul for 82 games (even at 85%) will fight and scrap their way to an 8 seed.

  • T-Money

    “Bosh has allowed just 36 points on 53 shots this season, ranking him among the league leaders with Dwight Howard and Anderson Varejao. Stoudemire? He’s allowed 79 points on 75 shots from the post.” Damn, I didn’t know that. Bosh just looks so soft sometimes – that’s why you can’t always trust the naked eye.

  • http://slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    I’ll rephrase, if CP3 plays 75-82 games this year, Nawlin’s are a play-off team.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    i’m aware of why they changed the rule, I was just asking if it happened before or after “the crab dribble” – but, the new rule does allow a player to sneak in a “third step” which is actually an extension of your last dribble. If a player uses it correctly (Manu Ginobili, Tyreke Evans) then they can change direction 2 different times between their last dribble and the end of the move. Which is a biproduct of the revision, even though it hasn’t really been written about

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Well first of all I don’t see Chris Paul playing more then 65 games, I know you say he is getting healthier, but I just don’t feel good about it. And since their 11-1 start, what’s their record? And yes I have Memphis and Phoenix finishing with better records then New Orleans. I don’t like portland at all, especially considering I have them moving Marcus Camby if they can get picks

  • http://slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    If CP3 plays less than 65, their not in the play-offs. Like I said if he plays 75 plus they are in for sure. Come on the NBA season is all swings, they could make a run after their comeback victory last night. Friday night at home to Utah is gonna be a great game!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That comment from bryan on manu was actually me.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    If cp’s history tells you anything it’s that Friday against deron williams will not turn out in chris pauls favor

  • http://slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    Looking at career stats, CP3 is better hands down. Looking head to head isn’t a clear barometer as Deron has always had a superior roster.

  • blackice87

    No travel.

  • tRay

    I know I’m late but damn good game from MSG. STAT played like an MVP and PP does it again. Nate Robinson…..nuff said lol KG played well too Ray had a monster game good overall win by the C’s.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Looking at stats knowing one team is consistently better then the other (as you just said) then the only thing you can conclude is that New Orleans is overly dependent on chris Paul, it in no way shows who the better player is. Especially considerig everytime they go head to head deron outplays chris. Even when chris’ team makes it further in the postseason.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    And over the last month deron has been the best point guard in the league. If you’ve been watching you also know it’s not debatable, even if your from New Orleans, Chicago, or Boston

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Great game between the Knicks/Celtics, I wish I would have seen that live. Pierce was talking A LOT of sh!t to Amare after that–there definitely is some bad blood between the Celtics and Knicks, though I still wouldn’t exactly call it a rivalry. Amare is f*cking awesome, btw.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I just wanna say, I know the Knicks aren’t going to make noise in the playoffs, but how is that possibly an insult after the last ten years? Did we expect to waltz to a title this year after sucking for the last ten? Of course not. It’s ok to show improvement that doesn’t equal a championship. If we aren’t contenders in 2012-2013 it will be a disappointment, until then I’m very satisfied with the improvement we’ve shown and say what you want about “making noise” whatever the F that means, but I promise you no one wants to see us in the playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    I don’t think the Heat would be that worried about seeing y’all.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Not even a little.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Take them lightly if you want. I guess we will see Friday. The two problem positions for the Heat are the positions we excel at the most. Amare will dominate inside, Felton can torch Arroyo or Chalmers or whoever. If the other guys play reasonably well. It’s going to be a good matchup. But you guys keep sleeping if you want to. We’re used to it.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    And let’s say they make a move for Mayo by getting rid of their useless bench, it’s gonna be nice. I’m not saying we’re finals bound or even second round bound. But it’s a little ridiculous how out of the way people go to discredit the start they have, and the talent they do have. The Knicks were bottom feeders for YEARS. They’re 16 and 10 right now and they are a legitimately dangerous team if you don’t take them seriously. Is that not a big step forward? Is that not good enough for you? How about appreciating them for what they are and have accomplished so far instead of trying to sh*t on them and diminish what they’ve done by speculating on what they can’t or won’t do. I get it, New Yorkers are loud and obnoxious and people hate to see us do well. Trust me I’ve lived through it enough to know what this is about.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Wilson Chandler > Dwyane Wade.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    New York fans are hilarious. Y’all really are. I didn’t realize this whole Knicks sucking thing had y’all this desperate for good news.
    Holla at me after the All-Star break. If they are still rolling, I’ll say they will be a problem come playoff time.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Desperate for good news? wow. 16 and 10 is actual good news. Improvement is good news. This isn’t me making something out of nothing, it’s you and people like you just hating on them for reasons unknown. Before the season it was laughable to see the Knicks over .500. Then when they struggled it was expected for them to suck. Now that they’re doing well, it’s because they’re lucky or because of their light schedule etc. whatever happened to credit where credit is due? Also who said they’d be a problem come playoff time? I said it’s possible if they’re slept on. But how about making the playoffs for the first time in seven years? If any other team was on the come up like this they would be lauded for their accomplishments and viewed with respect, but because it’s the Knicks it’s just easier to act like it doesn’t mean a damn thing. When the Warriors made the playoffs after forever it was HUGE. No one took them seriously and they ousted the mavs. That probably won’t happen for the Knicks, but why isn’t them making the playoffs or hell even getting to .500 viewed as a good accomplishment, instead it’s like “lolz .500, they still suck, omg they lost by 2 to the defending eastern conference champions they suck” You guys are ridiculous. I can’t wait to watch you all eat crow.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Calm down bryan. The knicks are a good team…………..on offense. They could have easily beaten the celtics if they would have prevented just a couple of their super easy wide open layups…… And gallo missing all three fts was bad too. Their team defense is putrid. Id they can get that up to just mediocre they would be better.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    If they add oj they become a regular season powerhouse. In the playoffs? With a 7 man rotation? With amare stoudemire and Raymond Felton? Did the suns ever win anything? Sorry can’t see them competing until they can play defense.

  • Cool Dude

    Yeah too bad that shot by Amare shoulda counted and the knicks shoulda won. When pp hit his shot, the shot clock was .6 seconds, not .4. Pics of both the shot clock on the basket and the telecast is here. Had the shot clock been set to .6 seconds instead of .4, the shot would have counted. http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/nba/photogallery/piercegw3.jpg
    http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/nba/photogallery/piercegw.jpg

  • Habeeba

    NBA rules suck. The refs should have fixed the clock in the NYK-BOS game, leaving .6 on the clock for the Knicks’ final possession after Pierce’s jumper. We would have won. Amar’e is a beast.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Amare is the man… I’m sad about Yao but Amare is tearing sh!t up.

  • http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ Jukai

    By the end of the season, I will be right: Amare will lead the league in scoring. I’ve made some BOLD predictions about Amare before (I said Amare would be All-Star MVP, I said Amare would be a turning point in a specific playoff series) and both times Amare was SO CLOSE to making me look like a (common sensical) genius. This year, Amare is gonna pull through.
    Amazing moving off-the-ball, off-the-charts explosiveness, amazingly underrated handle for a bigman, underrated back-to-basket skills, fantastic midrange, fast, strong, great hands, Amare is the key offensive four in the league right now, and he will not stop at tearing sh*t up.
    Raymond Felton, on the other hand…

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Amare Stoudemire is playing no better then he has throughout his career this season. He is just shooting more shots….

  • http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ Jukai

    @NBK: Wha…?
    He’s scoring at a career high clip while keeping his percentages almost identical to what they were before, on harder shots without a HOF point guard, near career highs in rebounds and blocks, as well as a career high (albeit still unimpressive) amount of assists? That doesn’t do it for you?
    Well, how’s this: he’s leading his team, something he’s never had to do. He’s changed the entire philosophy of New York, he’s changed their mindset. Is that not something?

  • http://slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    Everytime they have matched up D Will has outplayed CP3? Your telling me Chris Paul has never ever outplayed D Will??

  • http://slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    Also, D Will being the best 1 in the L is just your opinion, its not fact. If we are talking factually, CP3 is the league leader in PER, which you yourself have said is the best way to judge a players play.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Juks.

  • http://www.slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    Yeah its obvious Amare is playing the best ball of his career. Like Jukai said this is the first year he’s been the clear leader of his teamn, and he is stepping up. Bosh had his own team for 5+ years and didn’t have 1 individual stretch like Amare has had in his last 10-15 games.

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  • BMW

    A lot of people on this site (and in the nba for that matter) do not know fundamental basketball. If you did, it is clear that Manu did a perfectly legit jump stop. Jesus, I would love to see some of you play bball. It would be so funny/ugly to watch.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    It is the best way, but lately over the last month as I said in my comment, Deron WIlliams has been not only the best PG in the league, but the best player in the league. – And Jukai he is not at a career high rate in anything, except .4 assists, and .7 points. That is not very special when your touching the ball more now then ever, and shooting more shots then every, at a slightly lower % then average.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    I don’t hate the Knicks at all.
    I’m glad Amare is killing because it PROVES ME RIGHT! I’ve been arguing on this site for years that Amare was a beast in his own right, and it was really D-Antoni’s system that turned him into an absolute monster, not some Canadian. I’m glad that he’s killing.
    But New York fans are now convinced they “no team wants to see us in the first round” thanks to a hot streak. When I see a team that plays no defense, I dont think they strike fear in the hearts of most serious contenders.
    But that’s just me.

  • bdub

    Diesel wins Miami minutes debate….. Travelling happens regularly in the NBA. However, i dont overly care unless its against my team.

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