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Tuesday, December 21st, 2010 at 8:45 am  |  212 responses

Post Up: The Cool Kids

Dirk Nowitzki and the Mavs turn off the Heat.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Atlanta 91, Orlando 81

So, the Magic suited up their new guys, but it seems safe to presume they haven’t completely jelled just yet. The Hawks—without Jamal Crawford (back) but now with a fully recovered Joe Johnson—were able to run right over Orlando, who started Jason Richardson and Hedo Turkoglu and brought Gilbert Arenas off the bench. None of those guys shot well, or played well in general, though I think it’s a little early to cast them off just yet—they haven’t even had a single practice as a (new) team. Al Horford (24 points, 11 rebounds) led the way for Atlanta, while Dwight Howard (19 points, 20 boards, 2 blocks) put up some nice numbers for the Magic. It’ll take Howard and Co. a little while to get going, and my only hope is that they come together to some extent before Christmas, so we can get a competitive mid-day matchup when they face the Cets on Saturday.

Washington 108, Charlotte 75

Upon hearing about Brandon Jennings’ poor fortune (more on that in a sec), John Wall tweeted at the Young Buck to get healthy soon. Brandon responded, first by saying thanks and then with “@jimmywa11 winning is everything remember that.” Wall couldn’t do much with the info, given that he sat out again last night, but his teammates must’ve been reading along, because they took the advice and stepped all over the Bobcats at home. Nick Young dropped 21, and all five Wizards starters scored in double figures as they cruised to the victory. The W ended a seven-game losing streak, and the Wiz will try to keep up those winning ways tomorrow night against Chicago.

Utah 101, Cleveland 90

The bright spot for the Cavs: Daniel Gibson scored 29 points. Besides that, though, nothing went right for Cleveland, as Utah came into their arena and pretty much had their way. Deron Williams went for 17 points and 10 dimes, and Al Jefferson scored 16 and grabbed 13 boards. The win put the Jazz (20-9)  atop the Northwest, and their road trip ends tomorrow, in Minnesota.

Indiana 94, New Orleans 93

When things are going downhill, it feels like every bounce and every force of nature is going against you. So after David West hit a jumper with four seconds to go that gave the Bees a lead, maybe they should’ve known to expect the worst. And so it was. Even though Danny Granger’s potential game-winner rolled out, Mike Dunleavy just happened to be in the right place at the right time to get a hand on the ball and tip it in as the clock expired. Still, it’s hard to complain if you’re New Orleans, because you don’t win games in this League by shooting 39.8 percent from the field. The Hornets have now lost seven of 10, but have a good chance to turn the ship around Wednesday night when they host New Jersey.

Dallas 98, Miami 96

Hard to pinpoint a single problem within any two-point loss, but I’m going with this: Dwyane WadeChris Bosh and LeBron James combined for 60 points, and that number will probably have to be in the 70-75 range if they want to beat the League’s best. And, in case you didn’t notice, the Mavs have pushed themselves into said category these past few weeks. Dirk Nowitzki led ‘em with 26, while Jason Terry caught fire in the final quarter, scoring all of his 19 points in the fourth. Beyond that, this was a very winnable game for the Heat, who just couldn’t come through with clutch baskets in the last couple of minutes as the contest slipped away. Mike Miller made his grand return, kind of, playing only four minutes and without scoring a single point. With their 12-game winning streak wrapped up, Miami will attempt to start fresh Thursday in Phoenix.

San Antonio 118, Phoenix 110

Speaking of teams that have pushed themselves into the elite, the Spurs won last night, holding off a depleted Suns squad that was still without its new acquisitions. Gary Neal stepped up off the pine and scored 22, and all five San Antonio starters went for double digits. The Spurs now hold a 24-3 record, which is both their best in franchise history and has them sitting comfortable atop the NBA. They’ve got some challenges coming up, though—Denver on Wednesday and Orlando on Thursday. Both should be tough.

Portland 106, Milwaukee 80

The Wiz might’ve managed OK without John Wall, but the Bucks didn’t—and won’t—be alright without Brandon Jennings, who’s out four-six weeks with a foot injury. The Blazers ran all over them, led by LaMarcus Aldridge’s 29-point, 19-rebound outing. Sad as it is, the Bucks are in serious trouble, and a spot may have just opened up at the back end of the Eastern Conference Playoff race. John Salmons led the Bucks with 23 in the loss.

L.A. Clippers 113, Minnesota 90

The good thing about a Clippers-TWolves matchup is someone has to win. The bad thing is someone has to lose, which is just kinda humiliating. But the Clippers, behind Eric Gordon—who scored 36 points and distributed 6 dimes while sitting on my fantasy team’s bench (*bounces head against wall*)—and some efficient shooting from the floor (51.8 percent). LAC, or maybe just Blake Griffin, actually contained Kevin Love, as the TWolves forward scored only 12 and grabbed “only” 10 rebounds.

Houston 121, Golden State 112

Did Houston and New Orleans make some kind of “trading places”-type pact? Seems like it. The Rockets kept rollin’, scoring 121 points and taking down the Warriors in Oakland. Kevin Martin led the charge with 30, while Monta Ellis did his best to defend his team’s home court, scoring 44 points and dishing 7 dimes. (Can somebody help this dude out?) The Rockets have won five of six, and upcoming games against the Wizards and Clippers mean they’ll have more opportunities to keep moving in the right direction.

Actual Stats: LaMarcus Aldridge: 29 points, 19 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks.

Moment of the Night: Not that I blame him, but I guess “BOX OUT MIKE DUNLEAVY!” wasn’t Monty Williams’ main message before sending out his guys to defend the game’s final play.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Cheryl

    We’re not quite there yet, but I don’t doubt that we’re going to be causing problems for the elite teams in May and perhaps even in June.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Props to the Mavs. They gummed up the lanes pretty well, gave Bron and Wade no room to penetrate and made them shoot j’s all night. Spo coached one of his more shi*ter games in a couple of weeks by not counteracting that by throwing Dampier on the floor to occupy space and set better picks than Z and Anthony. The Heat’s free throw shooting was horrendous too. Not being able to adjust on the fly and try a different approach on Terry’s pick and pops killed them in the 4th too. Oh yeah….Lebron played his worst game of the season last night too. But still, the Mavs kept punching back after the Heat would go on runs. I like what this Mavs team is doing. All in all, not much to say except that the Mavs ALWAYS beat the Heat, every regular season. It’s expected. In the regular season.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    @ Dark (I know he’ll be around soon) I wouldn’t be mad at a Heat/Mavs Final.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Are the Spurs as good as their record? Personally i’m not so sure.
    New Orleans loss was a heart breaker, a day after losing in OT. It’s time for Chris Paul to take more shots.
    Orlando looked out of sync, which is expected. Gil could flourish in the 6th man role.
    Dallas beating Miami again, makes me wonder if Miami are as good as that streak would suggest.
    Right now Boston are the best team in the L, and their not even close to 100% healthy.

  • T-Money

    Cmon now. We’re not going to re-evaluate the team after every loss. You win 12 straight, you’re gping to lose one at some point. Now if the game had not been close like two weeks ago, thats another thing. They played worse vs the Wiz when you think about it.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    And he is here….. (that was for Eboy).
    2nd quirky game between Miami and Dallas this season. Thank gawd vintage JT decided to show up in the 4th. Really did not enjoy Dirk’s horrendous 4th qtr. Shooting but that was not par for the course in his case.
    I REALLY enjoy the Mavs grit this season. Stopping win streaks of the best in the L. shows me that the team is committed to being part of the nba elite.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    This team is re-evaluated after every W or L. It’s not last nights loss, more their combined record against Orlando, Boston & Dallas (1-5).
    I agree they played worse, or as bad against the Wiz. Gotta give credit to the Wiz though they played great in that game. Last nights game seemed like neither team were going to go out and win it, one of the teams were going to lose it.

  • MUBWAR

    Like always, the Mavs flourish in the regular season by stoping every streak possible and then collapse when it matters most, in the playoffs. They’ll win 65 and more but I see an early playoff exit for them at the hands of Durantula or the Jazz.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Mavs zone is beyond solid. Not only does it take away driving lanes it doesn’t make it easy to operate in the high post and they have flexibility to where to double from. Plus they rebound fairly well. I was unimpressed with wade’s defense last night. Very unimpressed. Dirk killed early then went cold but terry and butler picked up the slack. Butler looked quicker than I’ve seen him look for a while and wade was giving ferry way too much space to operate off screens. You have to crowd him on the catch and force to dribble and pass. Joel anthony was up and down against dirk but overall decent. Lebron should know how to handle a zone better by now. Seriously.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    The Charlotte Bobcats no longer believe in playing basketball.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    The Mavs have too many veterans for OKC in a 7 game series, and too much talent for the Jazz in 7 games. Only the Lakers or the Spurs are capable of beating the Mavs in the West. That doesn’t mean that they will.

  • vtrobot

    Starting in SA must be one of the best things that can happen for one’s career. Dudes seem to do really well there.

  • T-Money

    The only two things that matter to me during the regular season are (1) overall record for HCA and (2) finding solutions for structural issues. It’s been proven that head-to-head matchups are a very poor indicator for a series’ outcome. So in that sense, I’m not worried about this Dallas game but I AM worried about the Boston games. They weren’t close, Miami couldn’t unlock Boston’s defense in the half court, Dwyane Wade couldn’t find Ray Allen after multiple screens.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Butler has always played well against Bron, see the game winner he made against him in the post season as a Wizard.

  • MUBWAR

    AllBall, you seem to be forgetting what an underachieving golden state team did to them a few years ago. These guys always choke when it counts most. Oh ya the spurs, the same team who kicked them outta the playoff 3 of the past 5 years…lol

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Miami shouldn’t be worried about the Mavs, if they play again it will be in the finals. The odds on that happening are pretty slim (about 20% according to Hollingers play-off odds). Boston however are the best team in the L right now. When they get Rondo, West, Perk and J O’neal healthy and in the rotation they will be even better. Miami should be worried about the ECF.

  • T-Money

    Allen: Dwyane Wade’s defense has been an issue this year. He’s getting lit up by scrubs like Brandon Rush, Jodie Meeks, Nick Young… Ray Allen had a field day against him. LeBron should be at the center of the zone on the high post. Always. I think 28 minutes is too much for Joel Anthony, I would have liked to see some Dampier. I know I went back and forth on this with a lot of commenters but I still think having Wade, James, Miller in crunch time is the way to go – Arroyo offers nothing and Chalmers makes bad decisions (he likes to foul jump shooters or just bump into guys when Miami is in the bonus). The Mavs are for real, obviously.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    It’s arguable whether that GS team was underachieving, and no I haven’t forgotten. You may have forgotten that Dallas’ roster is totally different now. Jerry Stackhouse, Devin Harris, Josh Howard, Devean George, Dampier & Desagana Diop, even Greg Buckner and Anthony Johnson were in the rotation that year. Yes they won 67 games that year but they are better suited for the post season now, with Jason Kidd steadying the ship in comparison to Devin Harris.

  • http://www.twitter.com/chris_griff_3 Chris_Griff_3

    Imagine is a team like the Spurs went ahead and broke the ’96 Bulls record in a year that many thought the Miami Heat would challenge it.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Wouldn’t it of been better for Spo to give Miller some time on the road first, where the pressure is not as high. He hasn’t practiced yet so surely they could of waited until Thursday in Phoenix. Jerry Sloan brought Okur back on the road and he got in scored and was looking more comfortable for his second game in Milwaukee.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The one possession where the Heat got like 8 offensive rebounds and missed shot after shot was pure comedy at it’s best.

  • JTaylor21

    I can’t see whats all the fuss about a team beating a top team in the RS is all about. When the heat won the chip in 06, they went a hurrendous 4-16 vs top teams from both conferences and the 2010 celtics were 7-15 vs top teams. Both teams made it to the finals with Mia winning it and the celctis losing in Gm7. While last year’s cavs and orl teams went a combined 25-13 vs top teams, and still didn’t even reach the finals. Beating a top-team during the regular season doesn’t guarantee that that team will beat those same teams and win a chip. Mia has nothing to worry about even if they struggle to beat tops teams this year as long as they are competitive in those matchups.

  • MUBWAR

    Eboy, what’s more funny was how Marion was getting offensive boards in crunch time and the King was watching him. The Entire team looked tired to me. Surprisingly they were still in this game till the end.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Miami’s overall record against top teams may not be worrying, but their two L’s to Boston should be.

  • JTaylor21

    I mean didn’t last year’s cavs beat the celtics in the season series and we all know what happened in the playoffs. To me the playoffs is all about matchups and the kind of talent a team throws out there. The cavs despite beating the celtics in the RS, couldn’t not match up with them at key positions and didn’t have the overrall talent to beat them. This heat team on the other hand, has the talent at key positions and can matchup well with the celts. As long as they bring it vs the celtics in the playoffs, they have a strong chance at getting out the east.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Meh… Miami lost to a good team. Who cares? As long as they keep beating up on scrubs, all is well and everyone is happy. What up, E?!

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Miami have not matched up well with Boston so far. Rondo has been excellent, Wade has been unable to chase Allen off picks, and Garnett and Shaq look rejuvenated. Pierce is containable, as Bron showed last year.

  • T-Money

    I have to be honest, I don’t really like the match ups right now with Boston. And it’s not even about the big men – contrary to popular belief, Boston is a sh-tty rebounding team and they don’t post up at all. KG shoots nothing but jumpers and Shaq doesn’t get iso’ed anymore. I’m worried about their defense in the halfcourt, I’m worried about Rondo carving out Arroyo and Chalmers and I’m worried about Dwyane not finding Ray Allen through screens.

  • JTaylor21

    Like I said Miami has the talent to match up well with Bos and IF they bring their A-game in the playoffs, they can beat Bos. Wade is capable of doing a better job on Allen, Bosh is more than capable of holding his own vs KG, Bron can lock-down PP when he puts his mind to it, and they should use Chalmers not Arroyo to slow down Rondo. Let’s not sit here and act like Mia got destroyed in their first two matchups vs Bos, they would have won if they had gotten atleast a decent game from Wade on both ends of the floor. People are acting like this bos team is the 84 celtics all over again, they can be beat with good shot-selections, rebounding and great defense.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Money
    I think they should let Wade guard Rondo and tell Chalmers to chase Ray around screens for most of the game. Then allow Wade to only guard him at the end of games. Otherwise he’s gonna cheat and not go all out just like he was doing against Terry which was giving him clean catches and looks. Way too often Wade was trailing super far on down screens and cross screens and that allowed Terry to catch and dictate what he was going to do instead of Wade dictating to him what he was going to allow to happen.
    The Heat need to stop playing Juwan Howard. He should not play. He doesn’t rebound well, he doesn’t shoot all that well, and he’s actually afraid to shoot it seems. He’s not a dumb player, but right now he really doesn’t do anything well enough and he and Joel Anthony are too much of a non-factor to play together at any point.
    Miller’s first time was encouraging. He couldn’t hit a shot, but his shots were online, just short. He’ll figure that out. Plus, you saw him do something James Jones never does, which is PUMP FAKE and drive to the rim. Now he needs to realize that he needs to put up shots in that situation instead of passing back out to Bron or Wade because that only resets the offense since neither of them really is comfortable being a catch and shoot player. (Isn’t that so interesting? Both Wade and Bron prefer to dribble before shooting when most shooters will tell you that catching and shooting is so much easier.)
    Bron has to be better on the pick and roll. He needs to learn where to stop. He’s over penetrating and dribbling when teams lay off him and refuse to concede layups. The best players know that if teams sag that much, you have to hit that midrange and make them pay. Wade too.
    It was a good game though. Dallas just got the better shots in the end.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Cut the head off the snake and the body will die. Rondo is that serpent for the Celts. Neutralize him and things open up.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JTaylor
    Miami lost because in almost every game they’ve played, they’ve failed at times to play good defense, get good rebounding and have good shot selection.
    And it’s not Miami is playing alone. Boston is the reason why teams fail in those areas becuase when they are locked in their defense can dictate the game. You aren’t going to surprise them, or rattle them. You are going to have to outexecute them on both ends.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Miami has the talent, but a lot of teams have the talent. Lets not sit here and act like either games were really close at any point. In Miami Boston were up 15 in the 2nd half. No one said this team were the 84 Celtics, and any team can be beaten with that criteria. Lets also give Boston credit for their current 13 game win streak and 22-4 record. Are Miami capable of beating Boston 4 out of 7 right now? Probably not. Are they capable of doing it in the play-offs? Well all have to wait and see.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    Damn, I have John Wall and B. Jennings in Fantasy. Both are injured. Wackk

  • T-Money

    Allen: spot on except on the pick n roll thing. I’d argue that Bron doesn’t penetrate enough on high screens this year. He’s automatically looking to drop the behind the back bounce pass to the popper and not trying to turn the corner. I’d like him to attack the rim in that situation like he was doing in Cleveland. Agree on Juwan, Joel should be the back up 4, or even Bron.

  • JTaylor21

    I’m not saying that it’s a lock Mia will beat Bos if they meet in the playoffs, what I’m sayign is that they have more than a chance of beating them if they play to their potential. Bos goes on long stretches where they can’t do anything offensively and they tend to let teams back in games after going up big, so they are not as dominant and scary as everyone makes them out to be. Forcing rondo to become more of a scorer, keeping ray off the three point line, attacking the rim consistently are ways to beat the celts. Any team can be beat with the right mix of executing on offense and getting stops down the stretch.

  • http://www.slamoline.com Max

    Dunlevy with the most bizarre buzzetbeater ever ?!? :S

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T_money
    If you watched last night, Bron desperately wanted to get to the rim, but the Mavs would not allow an easy path. So, he started being tentative off the pick and really doing nothing. He needs an inbetween game, like most NBA players. He needs to be able to come of that screen, recognize there are two guys in the lane, and another trailing him and then Rise up and drop a 15-footer. That’s not a bad shot, that’s a very, very good shot if you can shoot. it’s what is making Westbrook and Rose so dangerous right now, and what’s made Deron Williams such a threat his whole career. Hell, it’s how Sam Cassell made all his money. If you can stick that shot off the screen, your entire game opens up to another level. Bron needs that shot, he and Wade.
    However, I want to take this time to say I am UBER impressed with how Wade and Bron ahve both extended their range to three. Neither of them could shoot that shot when they got into the league, and not both of them are very, very dangerous. Wade’s development is beyond shocking, although I think he shoots too many threes now. But, the way he’s hitting them after having no three point shot at all for most of his career is impressive.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Bron has no mid-range (or post-up) game? Meh, who cares? As long as he dunks, shoots 3s, makes slick passes and gets a chase down block here and there, all is well and everyone is happy.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Westbrook has the best pull-up off the P & R in the L right now. Bron has a great pull-up on the iso, but he’s never been all NBA off of the P & R. Probably because he doesn’t need a screen to create offense for himself.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Bron definitely has no post up game. That was a disaster from the start when Spo tried posting him up early in the year.

  • MUBWAR

    Lebron has no mid range game. You didn’t watch a lot of heat games his year did you Crawford

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Wade consistently started making three’s during the last olympics. It was also his (fantastic) comeback after going down with knee/shoulder injuries during the nba season that preceded Beijing ’08.
    Speaking from personal experience, i presume Dwyane decided to work harder on his stroke/range after healing/rehabbing. The phase when PT gets you into great shape and you start working on your game again can make a huge difference.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    Criticizing only Bron for that lack, when both he and Wade have the same issues is silly. Yes, they both need to improve, but so do most players in the league. Jordan once said that was the most important shot to learn as a player, and one of the toughest, so I don’t fault them for not having it down pat yet.
    And to be clear, I don’t mean they CAN’T shoot that shot, I mean they aren’t completely comfortable taking that shot, which means they try to avoid having to take it regularly. I think that’s a mistake.

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Which is part of the reason why suggesting he play the 4 — even as a backup — is such a joke.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Never thought i’d see the day that BC started using troll tactics to make his point. Spanny-style.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    When Bron’s midrange game is on he is like they always say ‘unstoppable’, that game at the knicks, he just kept knocking them down and I was like imagine LeBron having thath MJ drive to work on that shot like a maniac and really get automatic from those spots, that would just be unfair, the rest of the league may need to just call it a day. I still think LeBron’s release doesn’t look the same at all on most of his shots. If you watch his game tape you see all the slight nuances every time he shoots. When he was playing for the CAVS he would shoot even more off-balance jumpers and stuff, but it kinda worked, he can get much better though.

  • JTaylor21

    I don’t think you can say that Bron has no post game at all because the few times he’s been on the block this year, he’s made and missed a few easy shots. I think the problems lies with the defense more times than not doubles him whenever he tries to post up, which plays right into their hands because he gives it up too quickly and he doesn’t attack quickly off the post up instead spends countless seconds backing down. He needs to just back down for one or two dribbles and go up for the shot. Also Spo hasn’t put him on the block the past 10 gms or so, so he has to take some blame also.

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Excuse me for expecting more from the ‘best player in basketball.’ I’ve lowered my expectations like everyone else.

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Troll? How? Just talking bball. That’s still legal, right?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I see.
    So, by your definition, the best player in basketball should have no flaws in his game? Or is it that the lack of a post game and mid range are inexcusable flaws? I’m curious.
    The Bulls are trying to get J.R. Smith. I wonder why people don’t try to trade for Nick Young. He’s just as good a scorer, and his game is way, WAY more varied. All Smith can do is dunk and shoot threes, plus he’s a righthanded bandit. Young can do both of those things, but he’s also got mid range and his handle is nicer. Neither of them has a great overall basketball IQ, but Young’s feel for scoring in general is better in my opinion.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    I’m kind of surprised that no one mentioned (other than Eboy slightly) Spo’s horrendous coaching job. Time after time Wade would pull the Heat through a 9-0 or 7-0 run, only to be replaced by Lebron to come back in and continue to have the bad game he was having. Is that not one of the biggest perks of the Heat… For them to be able to transform into the Cavs/Heat/Raptors when necessary?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    At the holidays, trolls like a good fruitcake….proven fact!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    JT21: I could be wrong, but before I stopped watching the Heat, whenever Bron did go into the post, I didn’t see him get doubled a whole lot. And the reason Spo doesn’t put him on the block is because Bron is inept in the post. That doesn’t give Miami its best chance to win. You can’t really blame Spo for that. Even I wouldn’t put him down there because I know that’s not where he excels.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Allenp, I was having a conversation with my friend as we were watching the game about Lebron’s longevity in the league; Even though I feel the same way that BC does (though it may not be with as much venom), I find it hard right now to see success from a Non-Athletic-Powerhouse Lebron.

  • JTaylor21

    Come on BCrawford, lowered expectations for who? He’s playing in a totally new offense, he’s playing with two other playes that demand the ball, he’s playing in a new role for the first time in his NBA career, so it should be expected that he’s struggling compared to his own standards. You can’t just expect him to come in and start throwing up Cleveland type numbers on a team with other stars.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    @Niq, not as bad as me with Jennings, Wall, Rondo, and Yao (I picked him up in the last round)

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Not much difference in your sarcastic post earlier from what el Greco liked to drone on about (track&field stars aka iggy, AI’s failings, KG’s shortcomings etc…), but i get it. The team’s starting to play well so it’s time to resume ye ‘ol nitpicking of LeGame.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    My bad, the way I meant you do Allen… I was distracted by actual work.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Allen: Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Weaknesses are one thing, flaws are something entirely different and IMO, completely inexcusable if you’re supposed to be the so-called “best.” Besides, it’s been 7 years. He should be halfway decent in both areas, but he’s not even though I will say that his mid-range, while not where it should be, is miles ahead of his post game.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    @Eboy: so many ways to go with that last post…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    JT21: I could care less about numbers, you should know that by now. I’m talking about basic basketball skills that 7 years in he should not still be lacking considering his skillset. So I’ve lowered my expectations. If it’s not a big deal to anyone else, then it’s not a big deal to me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Oh Jesus, this horesh*t again?

  • JTaylor21

    BCrawford, well ever since you “allegedly” stopped watching them, whenever he goes into the post, teams have automatically doubled to get the ball out of his hands and Bron has been more than willing to do so. Even though he lacks a good post game, he still can overpower anyone with a few quick moves and score over them, he just doesn’t do it enough. Like AllenP said, it’s not that him and Wade can’t do it, it’s just that they are not comfortable doing it. The same applies to his post game.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    What’s the difference between a weakness and flaw? I see those words as interchangable.
    I like to get things clear on the ground level before I state whether I agree or disagree.
    Because, I’m thinking of all the players mentioned in the greatest of all-time discussions, and all of them have certain flaws and weaknesses in their games. So if weaknesses are acceptable, but flaws are not, I want to make sure I understand the difference.

  • robb

    That’s why the Heat will lose against the Lakers. Size. Bynum, Gasol and Odom are too much for Lebron and Wade, they won’t be able to penetrate.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Michael Jordan was a mediocre three point shooter.

  • JTaylor21

    Come on now, Magic wasn’t a great shooter for his entire career and no one dares to say he never fully reached his potential, so why is it different with bron. That’s one of the thing that I hated the cavs for till this day; they forced bron to become a scorer first and a passer second, which takes away from his biggest strength and forced him to become something he wasn’t destined to be; he doesn’t possess the scorer’s mentality. A player with his passing abilities shouldn’t be avg. 27ppg for his career, so I think the cavs robbed us of seeing him at his very best.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Bron has rarely been doubled in the post, and i’ve watched the majority of their games. The reason Spo took him out of the post is because early in the year when he was posting up he was barreling through defenders and forcing bad shots. I wouldn’t blame that on Spo.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Scottie Pippen had a below average post game.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Alonzo Mourning could barely must three post moves.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    *muster

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think it’s misleading to say Bron has no midrange. He shoots midrange jumpers all the time in iso situations.
    It’s off the pick and roll where he doesn’t show it. He doesn’t stop coming off the screen and stick the jumper.
    His post game is horrible, it’s not even worth discussing, but he can shoot mid range shots in certain situations, but he’s not comfortable doing it other situations. That’s the biggest problem I see. Honestly, he still has time to get right in the post.
    Jordan didn’t develop his true post game until his 12th year in the league. Kobe didn’t truly unveil his until he was in year 13 or so.
    Usually, it’s wing players who are slower, or much bigger, who get post games early. Your Mark Jackson’s, Sam Cassell’s, Gary Paytons, Jason Kidds.
    When I think about Scottie Pippen, he was never a killer in the post. Neither was somebody like Grant Hill.
    LeBron mistakenly believes he has to back down in the post, when he can be very effective, catching down low, turning to face, and then exploding buy his man with far less space for the help to get there. You don’t have to do up and unders and jumphooks to be good in the post.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Shaquille O’Neal was and is a horrid free throw shooter.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Derrick Rose can’t make clutch free throws.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Reggie Miller had no post game and played no defense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Dennis Rodman was as limited as Bryan Crawford at offensive basketball.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Kobe Bryant can’t shoot 50% from the floor in any season of his career.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Why are people defending Brons post game when its evident that he is not a good post player?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    LeBron is not a passer first, scorer second, LeBron is not magic, he’s something else. He’s a 30,8,8 guy. He likes that, he likes his stats.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    When DRose came into the NBA, he couldn’t hit the 3. It was a flaw in his game. 2 years later after a lot of work, it’s more of a weakness considering the other things that he does well, but he can hit the shot with some degree of regularity and it certainly can’t be considered a flaw anymore. Just my opinion.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Julius Erving was as invisible in the low post as Chris Webber was in producing in clutch moments.

  • LD

    i really wanted Miami to stay undefeated so LA could have broke the streak on Christmas. Now the win won’t mean as much.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Derrick Rose is not a clutch ft shooter? GTFOH, what about that playoff game against Boston game 1, he made all 12 of his ft, and he some damn important ones. I doubt it that you’ve watched every Rose game.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Let me know if you need some more examples.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Haha @ Eboy going on a justification one-liner roll, with the added bonus of having the potential of becoming one hell of a Slamonline comment pyramid.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Dirk is underrated. And he barely ever dribbles. Are his ankles broken?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    You point at one game, I point at one game. That’s the stupidity I’m purposely going for in my one sentence player “evaluations”. The ignorance here is truly blinding in late 2010.

  • MUBWAR

    Oh i saw that fee trow that cost him the game. I was just happy Gordan and griffin got the win, I cannot stand chicago.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Why? Why would you say stupid stuff because others do?

  • JTaylor21

    What do you mean by his a 30/8/8 guy and he loves his stat? No player should be forced to do that much for his team, this is not the 60s with Oscar where a player could just dominate every play, you need to put them in positions that plays to their biggest strength. He biggest strength by far is passing but the cavs and their inept offensive squads forced him into 30ppg scorer. Tou don’t win in this league by having your best player doing everything.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Back to relevant discussion, Nick Young is a better player than JR like Allen said. He just has more skills, and mixes it up. Not as athletic as JR but still very athletic.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    To prove a point Jahmai. To show that “experts” or whatever we call some of the cats that try and force feed us basketball knowledge are fallible and that just throwing out random bits of knowledge does not make you a sooth sayer.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Bcrawford, Drose is shooting 41% from 3, that’s not a flaw nor is it a weakness.
    Dirk: 39%
    Kobe: 33%
    Korver: 41%
    LeBron: 34%
    Dwade: 33%
    some 3 pt shooting pct. from the stars

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    MUBWAR cannot stand Chicago…I knew there was a reason I didn’t like his bandwagon-jumping ass.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @eboy, hahaha right after you said that I dumped some Drose info on everyone.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    what does make someone a sooth sayer

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I would say the only “flaw” in Bron’s game is the posting up. He is simply not effective doing that. You can’t really say he can’t shoot midrange jumpers, but I think it’s fair to say his inbetween game is not as polished as it could be. Not non-existent completely, but not very good or polished.
    Eboy’s list is immaterial because non of those players, aside from Magic and Jordan, were in the greatest of all time discussion.
    But, he’s right in that Magic and Jordan had areas of their games that were lacking. However, given BC’s definition and his example of Rose, they wouldn’t qualify as a flaw in his book.
    Magic wasn’t a good shooter, but he wasn’t Rajan Rondo. Jordan couldn’t shoot threes, but he wasn’t Andre Miller from three either.
    Right now, Bron can’t post up. He looks uncomfortable doing it, and is often unsuccessful. In contrast, he can shoot midrange jumpers and looks either mildy uncomfortable or supremely confident when doing it depending on the circumstances of the shot.
    But, seven years is not a long time. It’s really not. Kobe still had holes in his game in 2001. Jordan had holes in his game in 1991. Magic and Bird had holes in their games their whole careers. So did Wilt.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Jtaylor21, yes Lebron was forced to do everything and he did, he surpassed the hype coming out of high school. But I don’t think guys like MJ, Kobe, Wade and Bron see that as something terrible. They would like help to carry them when things aren’t going well or when you’re up against elite teams, but I think LeBron rather has a season where he averages 30,8,8 and everybody is on his jock about how unbelievable he is than having a season of 24,6,7. He said himself on a couple of occasions that he likes stats. But ofcourse winning a championship is most important to him, atleast I hope so.

  • MUBWAR

    I cannot stand a point guard that drop 30 a night. That is not his job.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Throw CP3′s percentages in there. 47% from 3 on 2+ attempts a game.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles brown

    They really need to rename that thing to the AllenPeace Prize. The mans patience is apparently inexhaustible.

  • JTaylor21

    Jahmai, just how many playoff games did the bulls win when MJ was forced to do everything on offense? How many did Lal win when Kobe was forced to do the same, how many did Wade and Bron win they did the same? No player loves to have to carry a team which leads to nothing but playoff losess and sad faces. Most players would rather have to focus on a particular aspect on the basketball court, like MJ had to focus on scoring when Pip became a monster, Kobe focuses strictly on scoring when they got gasol, and I think the same thing will happen in Mia.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JTaylor
    LeBron’s biggest strength is not passing.
    His biggest strength is being bigger, stronger and faster than every other wing player in the league. And having amazing body control for a man his size.
    He shouldn’t just be a passer. He should be a scorer/passer, which he is right now. Cleveland didn’t use him correctly, but when they tried him at the point guard under Paul Silas it was obvious that wasn’t going to work.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    So we have agreed Brons post game is a weakness? Some people defend Bron even if their is no evidence to support their claims. I’m with Allen in that his mid range game is not a weakness. Like I said earlier, he can pull up off of 1 on 1, but he’s not as fluid on P & R.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah Myles, I learned from my mistakes. You remember how I used to carry it on these boards.
    And my wife would tell you that I’m not that patient at all.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bron’s post game is at about a 5 on a 1-10 scale.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Jtaylor, I said they would love help when playing against elite teams, ofcourse I’m not talking about playing elite teams in the regular season but in the playoffs. I agree with you that you’ll never be succesful with one player doing everything. But alot of people right now are talking about how LeBron needs to play aggresive and doesn’t really look like himself, even I miss CAV LeBron. He’s avg 24,6,7 now so if everybody thinks he can still do more his stats would look more like they did the years before MIA. Those games @Cle and @NY, everybody was like: ‘that’s why we love(d) LeBron, he’s so amazing’. I absolutely agree. Bill Simmons even had a whole collum about LeBron’s game @Cle, and how he couldn’t stand LeBron throwing away a year in his prime by sharing the rock with Dwade. I don’t think LeBron needs to do everything but he can do alot more but now he has to share with someone who’s almost as big as him.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    So, what type of post game does Bron need to develop?
    I think he should emulate Paul Pierce or Andre Miller, not Jordan and Kobe. Thoughts?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    I say 3. Five would be average. He ain’t average.

  • JTaylor21

    I’m sorry Allen but I’m going to have to disagree with you on that one. Bron’s passing ability has always been his biggest strength since HS and was the main reason why everyone and the media was going archie bonkers over him. There have been many big athletic players that went pro before and after him but none of them mixed that athletic abiltiy with his passing skills since probably magic. He’s passing has not been as good as past years, so that’s probably why you say that but go back and watch some of his old cavs games and HS games and you would see his passing was the thing that seperated him from the pack.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jahmai
    The problem ain’t Bron sharing time with Wade.
    The problem is that many of the shots Bron gets now are not the shots he’s used to taking. That’s it. And Wade has had some of the same problems.
    That’s why it’s going to be tough for them to win it all this year. Neither of them truly understands where all of their looks are going to come and what skills they need to use to take full advantage of those looks. It’s going to take some time with film study, and in the gym for them to hone the correct skills.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Nice Kobe interview on ESPN just posted: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5942919&categoryid=2459788 , I love Kobe but it almost looks like everything he says is a lie. He’s not a good actor, one of the greatest to ever play the game though :P

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    5 IS probably too high, maybe a 4? He can get good position and has mechanics, but he doesn’t have the touch or the footwork or a counter move to make him respectable.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jahmai: Despite the percentage, teams are still more than willing to let DRose have that shot because considering the things that he does well, that’s still the shot you want him to take, just like with Bron or DWade. You’ll live with the few of them that they’ll make in a game because those guys are not going to beat you with it like those other players have the ability to do. So the percentage doesn’t really mean a whole lot because he’s doing his job and making the shot when he’s open which he is a great majority of the time.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Bron’s post game isn’t average. More Andre Miller than Paul Pierce. Not Kobe or Mike, Bron doesn’t want to be fading away.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Taylor
    He can pass, but he’s not a point guard. So, he is wasted running the team and setting people up. He’s most effective attacking and looking to score or pass, with score being the first option. He’s more Deron Williams than Chris Paul. And really, he’s not on either of their levels when it comes to running a team.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    The only reason LeBron’s perceived strength is his passing ability is because all his other “abilities” command attention from all 5 defensive players, leaving his teammates wide open. His biggest strength is commanding attention

  • T-Money

    Bryan is such a hater, that 11:34 am comment is borderline childish. Come on now. // Playing the 4 doesn’t mean you have to post up on the low block – it only means that you have to defend power forwards. Something that Bron has done every single year. Some of the best line ups for the Cavs had Bron at the 4.

  • JTaylor21

    I think he should emulate Wade’s post game because anyone that watches wade post up, notices that he doesn’t waste a lot of time back down, he takes two quick bounces and goes up for the shot regardless of how close his defender is. Just imagine if bron did the same thing, two quick power back-downs and then explode for the shot. It’s simple yet effective.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Brons post game on a scale of 1-10 is a deuce because it’s so $h!tty.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Jtaylor, LeBron’s passing was not the best thing about him HS. He has amazing vision and he is incredibly unselfish for a star, and it’s all in a unbelievable package, 6-8 260, super athletic.
    From wiki: LeBron HS
    freshman: 21 pts, 6rb
    sophmore: 25pts, 7rb, 5.8 ast
    junior: 29pts, 8rb, 5 ast
    senior: 31.6 pts, 9.6 rebs, 4.6 ast.
    So obviosly, the scoring still stands out the most.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Bcrawford, I know that’s the shot they want him to take but you can def. not call it a weakness or a flaw anymore, he’s just become too good at it to call it something bad.

  • JTaylor21

    I just don’t know what’s wrong with Bron sometimes. Like during the Knicks game, he came out aggresive, looking to attack off the PnR, create for others, and was confident in his shot but last night vs the Mavs, he was hesitant coming off the pick, didn’t attack the rim enough and lacked confidence in his jumpshot. It’s like he goes into each game looking to focus on something different each time instead of attacking like he did with the cavs. He’s at his very best when he’s attacking and the zone had nothing to do with him not attacking last night.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I actually agree on Rose. His three ball is money and he’s the correct types of threes right now. No need for him to be coming down and randomly pulling up for three like Chauncey Billups or even Wade.
    I would say his weaknesses are overpenetrating, and not finding contact on his shots at the rim. Defense of course is a weakness, or even a flaw.

  • T-Money

    Allen: I think you’re overanalyzing. There is no “problem” with Wade and Bron sharing the court. They need time and they will be better as the season progresses. They’re already way better than they were at the start of the season. I mean they’re both in the top 10 in scoring and shooting in the very high 40s from the field – let’s all chill out a bit. There’s nothing wrong with Bron’s midrange game, he’s not Ray Allen but he’s also not Ronnie Brewer. He hits the midrange jumper in the low 40s exactly like Kobe, Pierce, D-Wade, Brandon Roy, KD and all the other scoring wings. The data is there, look it up. 4 years ago, his midrange was non existent but that’s not the case anymore, please do your homework.

  • JTaylor21

    @Jahmai, I’m obviously thinking that when I said his passing abiltiy, people especially basketball fans know that I meant court vision but I thought wrong.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Taylor
    I disagree. You can’t even compare the level of defense deployed by Dallas to what the Knicks call defense.
    Dallas played Bron on the pick just like Boston. Do not let him get to the rim, force him to pass or shoot a midrage jumper. Do not allow him to a full head of steam, or only attack one big man at the rim. Since the Heat don’t have aggressive rollers to the rim, the big man can lay off and double Bron, while the chase man cuts off the easiest pass to the Pop man. Then it’s on the big to aggressively close out on the pop man once Bron passes it. They are conceding somewhat contested jumpers by Big Z and Bosh because of all the shots Bron can create in a pick and roll, that’s the most palatable.
    The Knicks just allowed him to do whatever he wanted, which is death.
    If Bron can come of that pick, rise at the free throw line extended and knockdown jumper, after jumper, after jumper, that big has to close faster, opening up the drive to the rim. Or, the chase man on the pick can’t lay back as much to cut off the easiest pass to the pop man, which means the big has less time to close on the pop man.
    What do y’all think?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jahmai: I didn’t say that it was still a flaw, but I do still consider it a weakness because of two things: 1 – He’s still wide open and teams don’t challenge him on the shot. A professional should be able to make a wide open shot IMO. 2 – His technique is still a work in progress as he shoots the shot on the way down as opposed to on the apex of his jump like he does on his mid-range. That means a hand in his face will alter the shot considerably and if a player is long enough, he could potentially block it on a hard close out which again, teams aren’t doing. So not taking anything away from DRose, I’m pleased that he’s hitting it now, but it’s still not the strongest part of his game. Like I said, the percentage he’s shooting is very misleading.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Money, you keep talking about the data on the midrange and I understand that.
    Bron shoots very well now from the midrange in certain situations. He’s nowhere near where he was a few years ago.
    But, you watch the games and you know that he almost NEVER comes off a solid screen, attacks towards the paint and then pulls up for the open jumper. I watched him last night and he might have done that once and it was off balance and uncoordinated.
    Those shots are there all night for both Bron and Wade. As are open catch and shoot jumpers off the other players penetration. Neither Bron nor Wade like to take those shots, so they catch, and then penetrate again, instead of taking quality shots. Sometimes that creates another good shot, other time it eats up shot clock and the offense bogs down.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Jtaylor, you said his passing ability was his BIGGEST strenght since HS, it doesn’t matter to me if you meant his court vision, because that’s not his BIGGEST strength either, obviously you didn’t get that point with all those stats that I threw at you, that LeBron’s biggest strenght has actually been his scoring. And that’s a good thing because the whole point if this game is trying to put the ball in the basket, if that’s your best asset, that’s good it’s just that he does everything else so incredibly good.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Jtaylor, you said his passing ability was his BIGGEST strenght since HS, it doesn’t matter to me if you meant his court vision, because that’s not his BIGGEST strength either, obviously you didn’t get that point with all those stats that I threw at you, that LeBron’s biggest strenght has actually been his scoring. And that’s a good thing because the whole point in this game is trying to put the ball in the basket, if that’s your best asset, that’s good it’s just that he does everything else so incredibly good.

  • T-Money

    Bron’s post game can’t be rated at this point – it doesn’t exist. Putting him constantly on the block would perhaps satisfy some of the critics but I think it would be a wase of his skills at this point in his career. Because of his ability to find teammates for open jumpers and layups off dribble drives and his absurd 70%+ conversion rate at the rim, he should look to penetrate from the wing on almost every possession. It’s much easier to find people while driving than while posting up and that skill should be fully exploited. Once he slows down in 5 years then go ahead and put him on the block – I don’t know why people want a 25-year old to play like a 33-34 year-old MJ or Kobe. They weren’t posting up like that at 25, they were driving and dunking on people!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “I don’t know why people want a 25-year old to play like a 33-34 year-old MJ or Kobe. They weren’t posting up like that at 25, they were driving and dunking on people!” Smartest thing written today.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    First of all, sorry for the double post.
    @BCrawford, we all know that it isn’t the strongest part of Rose’s game. I, just like you, watch most of the Bulls games. Rose does get alot of open threes, but it’s wise to shoot wide open threes because if somebody is playing him up close he can just blow by him, there’s absolutely no need for him to start taking ill-advised three’s. So in that case, it will always be considered a minor weakness in your book.

  • fruizm

    monta ellis to all star game….please!!! what else does he need to do??

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jahmai: Yes, a minor weakness because again, it’s not the strongest part of his game, but it can no longer be considered a flaw either. And for me, it’s more of a technique thing than anything else. And like you said which I agree with 100%, teams are going to play off him and give him that look because he’s so dangerous attacking the rim. To his credit, he doesn’t come down and just jack them up. He picks his spots very well and more often than not this season, he’s been making a good majority of his attempts.

  • T-Money

    Allen: I agree that they’re not comfortable taking that little 10-15 footer but I don’t even want them to take that shot. If the second line of defense is there to meet them around the free throw line it’s usually because Chris Bosh or Z are wide open on the perimeter. I want them to make that pass to an open Chris Bosh instead of taking that little running jumper. Look, I’m not saying that Bron’s game is flawless – far from it. But some of his flaws are magnified while some his strenghts are muted because they don’t fit the MJ toolbox.

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, doesn’t he still attack the rim even agaisnt the celtics D? So why didn’t he do the same vs Dal, the two times he’s played a better celtics D, he’s attacked the rim consistently but twice now against a defense that’s not on Bos’ level, he’s taken nothing but jumpshots. The zone had nothing to do with it, so don’t give me that excuse. When he was in Cleveland, he used to attack regardless of how the defense played him coming off the pick but in Mia he seemed to have lost his driving ability or maybe the will to attack.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    No one wants Bron to be playing like that, it was mentioned that Bron has a limited post game. That’s true. It was also stated that Bron is a lot better pull up shooter off of an iso, rather than a P & R. This is also true.

  • T-Money

    E: Do you see a trade at the deadline? I don’t. I think they have what they need to win, they just have to find their comfort zone and get reps. I still think the rotation after 82 will be : Chalmers-Wade-Bron-Bosh-Z with Miller, Haslem, Arroyo, Dampier(depending on match up). Jones will not be needed even though he’s playing well. With the starting swingmen both playin 40, there’s no need for two back up wings.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    T-Money, unless they can get a straight shooting, defensive minded point, I doubt it. If they can, I can see them parting ways with Chalmers and/or Anthony, if anyone would take either. I think they’re fine up front if Spo doles the minutes out between Z, Dampier and Anthony (if he stays) evenly.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    I think its much much more likely Miami uses Udonis’ injury exception on a player that is bought out at some point. Could end up to be someone real good for Miami like say Andre Miller if he is traded and bought out

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    If Denver are going to blow it up, Billups would be perfect for MIA if they could get salaries to match.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Andre Miller would just allow defenses to pack it in even more. Not a good fit for MIA.

  • Mvp23100

    As horrible as the heat played it was their game to lose that’s saying something this team has no flaws they didn’t dictate tempo last night they weren’t focused and they lacked energy especially bron

  • Mvp23100

    Why in the world would Mia need a PG Arroyo and Chalmers have been solid in their roles And how can a couple idiots on here praise Rose and talk flaws in brons game I smell bullshit 1 loss after a nice streak is not a reason to hit the panic button

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Taylor
    Last year Boston played the exact defense I described and that was contributed majorily to LeBron struggling, along with the failure of his teammates.
    Did Dampier play at all against Dallas? I don’t remember seeing him, but I missed the very beginning of hte game.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    t-Money
    to be honest, that little 15-footer off a screen wasn’t a huge part of Mike’s game. From what I remember, and memory is a terrible thing sometimes, Jordan didn’t run a whole bunch of pick and roll like Bron. I’m saying Bron needs it because pick and roll is his bread and butter play, and if you’re going to use that play, you need to be able to hit mid range jumpers like clockwork to be your best, in my opinion.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Dampier logged 0 minutes yesterday.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    Is he in the doghouse already? Shouldn’t he be getting juwan’s minutes at the very least? Don’t you play him with Bosh and force the Mavs to put Dirk on one of them?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Allen, Spo has a lot more work to do with his substitutions and rotations than the team does with their on the court chemistry. When Dampier has played minutes WITH Bosh, they’ve looked incredibly formidable on both sides of the ball.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE…

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Nah, just playin’.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    I want to know why everyone is tripping about Dallas’ zone, they only played it like 10 possessions last night total. I don’t understand all the hoopla about it

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Are you sure about that?

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Yeah I actually just read on ESPN they only used it 7 times

  • Max

    Spurs

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    looked like more than that to me. or else they employ zone principles in their man defense. or else they are just really good on defense.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Gil must be very proud of his protege nick young. That guy can really play. He is a shot maker…… …….. Spurs keep rolling. Timmy with a nice game……. …..MONTA!

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Oh they are very very good on defense. A lot of help played, their man to man is scary good. Don’t understand why its being chalked up as a zone though, I mean I get why it can be mistaken as a zone, but I read an article on ESPN and a couple other newspapers that were talking about the mavs “zoning up” – while Sunjay (Houston)

    Dallas plays a of zone defense. It is working well now. Come playoff time, opposing teams have lot of time to prepare well. Can the zone defense work in playoffs?
    David Thorpe (12:03 PM)

    How many possessions did they zone up on last night? Kevin Arnovitz just told me 7, and he’s rarely wrong.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    sorry I can’t make it look pretty, i tried but idk it auto formats into one paragraph. That’s for “coach” david thorpes chat this morning

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    I love how BC tried to start sh*t and no one brought up how bad the Bulls are doing recently or started cursing his mother or anything— it was all intelligent debate.
    SLAM is evolving.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Question: did rose ever admit/apologize for the sat thing? I dont recall him even mentioning it, but I could be wrong. Just wondering…. ……. Free monta

  • T-Money

    Perhaps BC will eventually?

  • the nerve

    @teddy the bear: if u see this its like this.
    Crawwwwfit can’t help himself. having a killer mentality is in his dna. his blood. u know with his slave master ancestry. thats 1 reason why he talk so free bout killin dogs n shtt. they kill n conquer. thats what his peeps do. they tha baddest murderers tha world eva seen.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Tarzan: What Saturday thing?

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Aaaand arrested evolving.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This is what I noticed:
    There have been modifications since then, of course. Casey has the Mavericks playing more aggressively than Chaney usually had his Owls play, especially with added ball pressure and more trapping. Dallas has certain triggers when it will attack ball handlers. But zone is so relatively rare in the NBA that Chaney’s basic architecture can still be highly effective.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And this
    Teams have tossed zones at the Heat with some success during the season. Scouts and coaches will explain that, when it is operating correctly, the Celtics’ defense turns into a zone.

    But right now no team practices zone more or uses it as much as Dallas has been. In a copycat league in which the same five basic plays make up every offense and defensive styles are routinely mimicked, the Mavericks are ahead of the curve.
    That’s what Boston does. They sink off, double team without actually double teaming, it’s a great system. Dallas did some of the same things last night, which is why I’m very impressed with them. I don’t think they get enough easy buckets though. They still rely too much on the jumper, but then again, so does Boston. If Kobe turns into Bad Kobe during the playoffs, the Lakers could lose to that zone.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    So…how about this Michael Vick fellow?

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    RESTRAIN HIM! He’s trying to start another Vick-ebate!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Wait, how bad the Bulls are recently??? Seven wins in eight games. One-point loss in the eigth. How is that bad?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Or did I missread Jukai’s post?

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Its amazing how much Tyson Chandler has changed how that whole team operates on defense. Shawn Marion also, they just look supremely confident on that end. The thing I want to know is, who put their defensive concepts together? Carslisle is known as an offensive genius and defensive putz, so either that’s a bad reputation, or he has a genius assistant like thibedeau was in Boston.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The story is that Dwayne Casey is the guru.
    The story on ESPN I quoted from. Remember he was the last coach that had the Timberwolves playing .500 ball and got fired in the middle of the season so Kevin McHale could bring in his buddy Randy Whitman.

  • Mr. West

    BC is an abomination.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Oh that’s right, how in the world is that guy not a head coach, he was up for the New Jersey job before Avery got signed right? Why didn’t they give him the Clipper job over Vinny Del Underperformo

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I have no idea.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LOL @ “Vinny Del Underperformo”! Dude’s a joke. Blake Griffin deserves better. Instead he’s stuck with freakin’ Del Negro and freakin’ Sterling…

  • Jamaal76

    Eboy = annoying moron.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Jukai, SAT. U know the test he had someone else take for him. The reason memphis’s entire 07-08 season was wiped from the history books. .. I hadnt heard anything from from him about it, and was wondering if anyone had read or heard if rose had even mentioned it, or owned it or apologized. Anyone?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Has anyone ever dunked over a female ball player on the playground?
    It is fun…

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    He never acknowledged that it happened Tarzan

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Anyone else see steve francis play last 17 seconds of a game with his shoes untied and ice packs on his ankles? That coach is dumb…. Big boss francis…….. ……… …. …. A couple months ago, I had plenty of work socks. Now, I only have 1.5 pairs. 3 socks. How does this happen? Why only socks disappear? Is there a black hole in my apt? ……. WILL THE UNDERPANTS GNOMES QUIT STEALING MY SOCKS!!!!!!!!! YOUR PLAN IS RIDICULOUS AND WILL NEVER WORK!!!

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Philo is crazy. It is fun, but nothing to be proud of, unless shes tall and had a chance to block it. …. Nbk, I didnt think so. Why doesnt he get killed for it?? Why does he get a pass?? His hs admitted it happened. Ncaa found out it happened and took action. Why doesnt he man up to his mistake?

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Simply because it won’t change anything for him if he does. And the public doesn’t care – I really don’t care to be honest

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    So, you have dunked on a girl…
    Did you gesture or taunt her afterward?
    Let me find out that Tarzan Cooper is a thug…

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Phoenix is in a panic. The cable company figured out how to fix the free leaguepass problem…f word

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Nbk, I just think its odd how its a non story, but a whole year of a colleges hoops was vanished because of it. Other players have been destroyed by the media for far less. …. How much flak has vince caught for graduating college? …..and two years ago, I got free league pass for like 2/3 of the season, it was beautiful……… …. Philo, nah, no taunt. I just laughed that she jumped to block my dunk. She was tall and had some skills. Everyone laughed for a good 10 mins tho. It was fun, damn I miss dunking on the regular, I gotta get to work so I can be doing that some more. …….. Once, I jumped over a dude on a putback, dude was about 5 8 or so.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Man, Rose never cheated on the damn SAT. We take the ACT in Illinois!
    In all seriousness though, he’s a great, great kid but I do have to fault him for that one. I woulda loved it if he had just said “I F’ed up. I was a young kid who just wanted to play college ball. All you young kids out there don’t follow my example” and let that be that.
    You know what though, y’all can’t act like y’all never did anything incredibly stupid that you regret doing when you were 18/19 years old. Whether you got caught for it or not.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    They never actually won anything with rose so subsequently it wasn’t as big a deal. If he played all 4 years, won a national title or two then it would have been HUGE but he got out in time. Like Pete Carrol at USC

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Enigmatic, exactly. Just own it and move on. Nbk, they made it to the title game, and were extremely close to winning it. CHALMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ……….. The thing that bothers me about it is that he didnt cheat while he took the test. He had someone else take it for him! How do you even get away with that? He must have paid at least one proctor. …. ……… … Philo, why did u ask? Did u just do that today?

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    U just gotta have a school id with the name Derrick Rose, it’s highly unlikely the person overseeing the test knew who or ever taught Derrick rose

  • Blackphantom

    Who do you all think will win the MVP Award?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ the nerve: Thank you. He really can’t help himself. Peace, man.

  • http://Www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Man I hated the hell outta Chalmers for that Kansas-Memphis game but since I moved up here to Alaska and work in his hometown I kinda have to change my stance on dude. After all, only two Alaskans in the L – Chalmers and Boozer!

  • Blackphantom

    Who do yall think will win the MVP Award?

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Too early to say. IMO it’s dirk right now

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    That shot by chalmers may have saved Derrick rose’s reputation in the long run

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Ginobli?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Parker?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Tarzan:
    So, if the girl is 5’9″, and the guy is 5’8″1/2, should the shorter guy be proud of dunking on a “taller” girl with skills who tried to block the dunk?

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Sure phil, whatever floats your boat. Did you do that?. …….. Theres no way a proctor at roses school didnt know it was someone else taking his test. Rose must have greased the right wheel.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Yeah because they are all involved in high school basketball. No

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Who said they were involved in basketball? Rose was no1 player in his class. Everyone in his school, city, and state knew who he was. How does a proctor not notice that the person handing in derrick roses test is not derrick rose? Wouldnt they notice his absence when they handed out tests?. Rose and whomever took his test for him had some help.

  • http://philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Tarzan dunks on women…
    and is proud of it because they are an inch taller than him, and have more skills than him.
    Damn.
    You know I’m just attempting to troll on you, right?

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    No just because he is the no. 1 recruit that does not mean everyone knows who he is. And even if they know who he is that does not mean they have seen him before. That’s crazy too think every person in the countries third biggest city is aware of or even gives a flyin monkey sh*t about a basketball recruit, absolutely crazy

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Nbk, my point is a proctor of the test helped him, not any random fool inthe city…. ….philo , why did u finally blue your name?

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Anyone that scored high enough on the SAT in the past would have been sufficient. I doubt they used more then a smart friend

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Tarzan:
    I think because, to me, it looks cool.

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