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Wednesday, December 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 am  |  226 responses

Post Up: Lakers Get Bucked

L.A. is shut down by Milwaukee, while the Mavs outlast Orlando.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Oklahoma City 99, Charlotte 81

It was slightly surprising to see this game so close going into the fourth quarter, with the Cats up one. But then the Thunder got serious. They outscored Charlotte 31-12 in the fourth, running away with the W behind Kevin Durant’s 32-7-7 line. Once OKC’s offense got rolling, the Bobcats had no chance, as they simply don’t have the firepower to compete once the heat gets turned up. The loss was their four in a row, and sixth in seven games. I noted yesterday that the Bucks’ spot in the Eastern Conference Playoffs might open up (though, maybe not; see below), but the Bobcats don’t seem to want that spot very much. Or at all.

Dallas 105, Orlando 99

Another Dwight Howard (26 points, 23 boards) beasting, another Magic loss. I won’t play the They have no defense! They can’t win! card yet (though some already have), because—well, have you seen the Mavs play recently? And this one was close, too, as a couple of Dallas stops down the stretch made all the difference. Caron Butler led the winning squad with 20 points, while Jason Kidd scored 13 and dished 12. The Mavs—now victors of 16 of 17—are off until Monday, when they’re in Oklahoma City. Meanwhile, Orlando needs to keep improving, if only so we can have some quality hoops to watch at 2:30 p.m. EST on Saturday. Nobody wants to watch a blowout on Christmas.

New Jersey 101, Memphis 94

So maybe Sasha Vujacic injected some energy in this previously lifeless basketball team? Certainly seems like it. The Nets had their way in Memphis, dominating behind their Twin Towers (um, what?) of Brook Lopez (26 points, 6 rebounds) and Kris Kardashian-Humphries (12 points, 15 boards). Equally important, New Jersey shot 52.6 percent from the floor, and contained all of the Grizzlies’ key assassins in the victory. The Nets will look to go for three in a row tonight against the struggling Hornets.

Chicago 121, Philadelphia 76

This is how you defend your home court. Straight from the opening tip, the Bulls played their game and ran the Sixers right outta town, outscoring them 33-19 in the first quarter and only building on that from there. Derrick Rose (22 points, 12 dimes) and Carlos Boozer (16 points, 11 boards) both had double-doubles, but check this: Chicago shot 64.5 percent from the field, almost doubling Philly’s production. Gonna go out on a limb and say Coach Thibs didn’t have many complaints or dramatic post-game speeches after this one. The Bulls are in Washington tonight, and then in New York on X-Mas.

Golden State 117, Sacramento 109

Inexperienced teams blow leads. It’s just how it works. So if Coach Westphal wasn’t comfortable with a 14-point advantage going into the fourth quarter, we understand. And if he wasn’t comfortable when Vladimir Radmanovic launched a potential game-tying three as the clock expired in regulation, we understand that too. The jumper fell in, and sent the game to overtime, during which Monta Ellis (36 points, 9 in OT) took over and the Warriors jumped ahead to earn the W. Beno Udrih scored 34 for the Kings, who now officially reside in the League’s cellar and sit in prime position to win the 2011 Lottery.

Milwaukee 98, L.A. Lakers 79

Every once in a while, the Lakers completely lose focus and get shocked by an unsuspecting opponent. I won’t make a big deal out of that (though something tells me some may…), but it’s definitely not a good look for a group looking to take home its third straight championship. The Bucks, san Brandon Jennings, played great, shooting over 50 percent and shutting down all of L.A.’s offensive weapons. Kobe Bryant scored “just” 21 points and was tossed in the final quarter after his second technical, which pretty much sums up his squad’s frustration. For the Lakers, it was just that kind of night. Cool to see Milwaukee has no intentions of bowing out gracefully while their point man is sidelined, and even cooler to see Earl Boykins come up huge (OK, enough); he led the Bucks with 22 points. They play tomorrow night in Sacramento, while the Lakers are off until their nationally-and-internationally-and-universally televised game against the Heat this Saturday.

Actual Stats: Dwight Howard: 26 points, 23 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 blocks.

Moment of the Night: Needing a three, and hoping to avoid getting fouled on the floor, DJ Vlad gets some space…


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  • Blackphantom

    Boy that game last night was atrocious

  • Blackphantom

    My Lakers are waaaaaay better than that. C’mon now

  • kobe4ever8

    As much as I’m a Lakers fan, by the way they’re playing, I don’t see them beating Miami on Christmas day… Merry Christmas everybody

  • Blackphantom

    @Kobe4ever I understand why you feel that way, that was an awful showing, sure it’s only one game but they need to get there act together fast

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I think there’s going to be quite a few wins by the road teams on Christmas Day.

  • Blackphantom

    I never really talk crap about the opposing team before a big game in any of my favorite sports, so I’m not starting now

  • Blackphantom

    *If those big games have my favorite teams involved

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    All the players act like the X-mas day showing between LA and Miami doesn’t mean and in some form they’re right. If you lose that game it’s not the end of the world. But I can guarantee Kobe wants to beat the Heat so bad. Everytime he plays LeBron he tries to go out and prove he’s the best basketball player in the world, same goes for LeBron. They both know the discussion that’s been out there for a couple of years now. ‘Who’s better, Kobe or LeBron? I think the heat will win this one if Kobe tries to do too much, but the last six games or so Kobe hasn’t shot the ball more than 20 times and actually had only one bad game when he shot 3-11 when he reinjured that pinky finger. If he keeps that under 20 shots 50% shooting up while sharing the load with his other incredibly talented teammates, the Lake show will take the W. Unless Kobe has one of those super-hot-shooting nights, than he can shoot as much as he wants to :P

  • http://www.twitter.com/HurstySYD Hursty

    I’d just like to have a little rant at the statisticans who worked the PHI vs CHI game last night.
    Here goes:
    Look at the Philly vs Chicago box-score today on NBA.com
    you’ll notice that Elton Brand has 0 turnovers, whilst Kurt Thomas has 1 steal.
    Now watch the play called “Bogans to Rose”.
    Thomas clearly strips Brand of the rock, gathers it, passes to Bogans who hits Rose as he trails for the lay-in.
    HOW does Elton Brand not receive credit for a steal there?
    But wait, Thomas is credited with 5 blocks on the game.. is it possible that he was given a block instead? Um.. yeah.
    W.T.F is wrong with court-side statisticians? Clearly a strip.
    Urgh.
    Vent over.
    Cheers.
    PS – EARL BOYKINS!!!!

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    hope youre right eboy, that would mean a blazers win in oakland, where they have problems last few years…Luc Mah a Muteh SHUT DOWN KOBE in last 6 min of the game, I was impressed with him and happy for Boykins, and wow, Kings ARE JUST BAWFULL, did not expect that at all

  • Bruno

    didnt watch the game but damn lakers … hope saturday is better

  • http://www.twitter.com/HurstySYD Hursty

    Monta Ellis’ reverse lay-up/flip shot at the end of OT was ridiculous btw. Put them up 6 with 50ish seconds remaining.

  • Blackphantom

    I watched the highlight of the game, it was disappointing

  • JTaylor21

    Where are all the so-called experts at to critize the lakers for the sorry a** play last night? I guess they keep on getting a pass because they are the champs but what have they done lately but lose to sorry teams and only beat one good team.

  • http://www.diimemag.com Royal

    SMH at my Lakers last night,everyone played bad ….but im happy for Earl Boykins dude gets buckets when he gets the green light. Hopefully we will rebound vs. Miami

  • http://thekobebeef.wordpress.com LDR4

    Don’t forget that the Bucks are responsible for the Maverick’s only loss in the past 17 games. They come to play against the top tier teams.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick tha Quick

    Totally out of topic but is it only the better teams that can call “players only meetings” to air out their feelings and get things back on the right track? The Heat and the Giants can do it but you never hear of last year’s Nets or the Pistons or the Wolves calling these meetings (which would be hilarious if they did, I’m just sayin)

  • Blackphantom

    who knows JTaylor? who knows?

  • Blackphantom

    Apparently Kobe had an unbelievably bad day, first a car accident, then he gets ejected from a game, and he loses that same game. Wow

  • http://www.diimemag.com Royal

    Not to seem like Kobe would have saved the day or anything…. but it seemed like the Lakers were not really going to him until the last five minutes of the game. Also, Kobe also seemed like he really did not give a $hiT. But I guess John Salmons and Luc are good defenders though. To end my angry fan ramblings, I feel like we would have had a better chance to win with Brandon Jennings playing…no disrespect to him though

  • Blackphantom

    lol, dang i think you might be right

  • T-Money

    LRMAM may be the best perimeter defender (hell, he even defends 4s) in the NBA. I was really impressed by his discipline in shadowing Kobe. Kobe still got him on a couple of fadeaways but that just what Kob does – he practices and routinely makes “bad” shots that the defense can’t take away. / Boykins! WTF! I really don’t know how he gets his shot off..

  • Mvp23100

    @JTaylor21
    Exactly 1 loss after a streak the heat are being dissected when the lakers clearly have issues not just this loss they haven’t played championship ball yet this year

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles brown

    All this talk a day after many of the same folks were saying that the regular season doesn’t matter. Consistency, people….

  • Blackphantom

    The regular season matters of course, but the Lakers are a team that focuses more on the post-season than regular season

  • http://www.diimemag.com Royal

    MVP231000: People are overreacting to the Heats loss against the Mavs the other night…Wow I did not know that (haven’t been watching ESPN) I guess part of the reason why people haven’t really gotten too upset about the Lakers struggles is because they have not really had any losses to teams that would be challenging them for the championship, best teams they played were the nuggets, bulls ,jazz(i think they a 1-4 in those games). If the Lakers lose to the heat on Saturday and/or the Spurs on the 28th (i think) then there some sort of panicking.

  • MUBWAR

    The Heat lose 1 games outta 13 and to mavs, there is 400 comments. The Lakers keep losing to the likes of Indiana, Rockets and now the Bucks. Gasol got abused by the aussie and Prince Bhah Moute shut down Kobe. Good luck against the 3 headed monster on your way guys. And Kobe, no more swearing. Your too old 4 that. Role model man.

  • JTaylor21

    Just name one person that said the reagular season doesn’t matter???????????

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles brown

    You were certainly downplaying it.

  • T-Money

    Head-to-head W/L and individual games ain’t not thang. I don’t really believe in statement games and the Xmas game is just as important as the game right before or right after. However, getting blown out by a non-contender at home should not happen. Exactly like when Miami got maimed by Indiana a couple of weeks ago. I won’t take anything out of the Xmas game unless there’s some matchup problem or one the team gets completely outclassed.

  • Blackphantom

    @MUMBWAR Sir Charles said athletes shouldn’t be role models for a very good reason.
    lol, Kobe always swears during games

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles brown

    That’s fair. These things happen all the the time. I wish they didn’t, but f*ck it. I’m glad I went to Roscoes instead of watching.

  • Blackphantom

    Co-sign T-Money, the game is important street-cred wise, it doesn’t decide who is the greatest or anything like that

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    I’m depressed. I expected big things from the Bobcats this year. No heart and no hustle, which was the only way they ever won games.

  • T-Money

    Myles: working on a story? Griffin for the next cover? / BTW, is it just me or LA is hella boring? So spread out, need to get in the car to go anywhere. Maybe it’s just me.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    The Lakers can’t recover from the loss of the Masheen.

  • T-Money

    Larry Brown can be a stubborn f-ck sometines. FREE TY THOMAS.

  • T-Money

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sasha doing well in Jersey. He has pretty good basketball skills after all. It was just never going to happen for him in LA – he didn’t have the trust and respect of the coaching staff or the other players anymore.

  • MUBWAR

    at blackphantom: it doesn’t mean that there are not. I can expect this from the younger players, but not 32 years old Kobe with almost 14 years in the league.

  • Blackphantom

    Yeah, I think Kobe might have a big game, idk though.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles brown

    Yea. Story time, but not what you’d think. And LA doesn’t bore me, but a vehicle is essential. This rain definitely is putting a damper on things.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    The Lakers have lost to teams that they probably should’ve beaten, but 3 straight NBA Finals appearances and back-to-back titles cuts you some regular season slack. And since Mubwar wants to take a shot at Kobe for swearing, I wonder if he’s ever watched Kevin Garnett play?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    It never rains in Southern California…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Maybe the Lakers are starting to get in Boston 2010 mode, they’re just going to lose a bunch of games, people will think they suck, kobe’s getting old, pau’s not getting enough touches and then the playoffs roll around and everyone knows what time it is.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dallas is nice. So is Dwight Howard. Jason Richardson left his shooting stroke in Phoenix, and Gilbert never got his back after the knee injury.
    Losing to the Bucks without Brandon Jennings is horrible.
    So are the Kings. Man, what does Paul Westphal have to do to get fired?

  • MUBWAR

    Kg is an animal. He past the f**k off stage a long time ago. Now he is on some personal sh!t like that cancer comment…lol

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com just bcuz

    the TRUTH is! the lakers are OLD and TIRED. All of their core players are in their 30′s and they have went to the finals the past 3 years. What do you expect from a team who has played that much in december?? Injuries have already made them pile up minutes on their top players and its very difficult to get it going. sheer WILL and talent will still get them about 60 Ws and to the WEST finals but i can definitely see them losing after that

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Well Mubwar, there was that one time that LBJ told his mom “sit your a$$ down!”. That’s setting a great example for the little kiddies out there. Players, whether young or old, swear out on the court all the time. Let’s not make a big deal about it all of a sudden just because Kobe did it last night. Just sayin’…

  • MUBWAR

    Hey Crawford if you didn’t get by now, I’m a Kobe hater and will put under the microscope every little wrong doing by mister I became a superstar taking as much field attempts as an entire team.

  • T-Money

    Jahmai: Ask the Celts if they would have liked to play the 4th quarter of game 7 at home. Regular season matters a lot. LA needs to keep pace with Dallas and San An. / Allen: what does SVG need to do to get fired? Starting Hedo at the 4, really that’s your move even if it failed miserably in PHX? SVG wants his personnel to fit his 4 out – 1 in offense instead of tweaking the offense to fit his personnel. I love Dwight’s new post moves but he should lean on defenders more instead of always trying to beat them with quickness on post moves. Make them feel you. (pause)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Ofcourse LA wants to play at home, but you can’t forget HOW close it was, it could’ve easily gone boston’s way and I remember that halfway they were up pretty big for a Finals game 7.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Whatever…

  • Blackphantom

    All I know is that LA needs this win against needs this win against Miami

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Who needs the Christmas day win more, Miami or LA?

  • Blackphantom

    holy crap forgive my embarrassing typo

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Miami! :P

  • Blackphantom

    LA, I think

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    TMoney
    I was shocked to see Hedo at the four and Bass once again on the bench. And to see four perimeter players jacking up long jumpers before Dwight even gets to touch the damn ball!
    Man, I don’t understand it. Hedo is not that good. Jameer is not that good. Reddic is not that good. You cannot justify this whole small ball thing with those players. Go traditional, feed the big man, make the other players play off him and tell them to stop standing around. Right now, Dwight is just a big freaking decoy for cats who love jumpers.

  • T-Money

    Neither. Miami losing would make for better copy – writers like patterns and Miami losing all “big” games would get a lot of hits. They could also then dust off their stories on the need for an alpha dog.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jahmai
    The point is that when two elite teams play, the smallest things can swing the game. Like home court advantage. By all accounts whatever two teams make the Finals this year will be elite, so homecourt matters

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    LA needs this for sure. Miami’s in a groove, but they had a stretch where they were lackluster and unmotivated, but a statement game against cleveland fixed that. Here’s to hoping LA wins this christmas and shakes off the cobwebs as well.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @AllenP, I know that and I absolutely agree with you, I’m just saying that it CAN be done. Everybody would like homecourt advantage, but if LA doesn’t get it (assuming they make it to the Finals) they can still win.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Can we just get done with the regular season :P Thinking about the playoffs and finals everyday makes me just wanna get there already. The only problem would be the off-season, every offseason I can’t wait for the season to start. Good thing the NFL playoffs start soon.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    A lot of people were down playing the regular season yesterday. Jtaylor you were quoting stats about how head to head meetings in the regular season are rarely an indication of play-off success. Lets hope LA plays Milwaukee in the finals.
    You would think you score 79 against the Bucks and you win, guess they decided to make some shots for a night.
    If you go to the last 3 finals and you have made upgrades to your roster would you worry about the regular season? The last real (real) important games were played in June, and the Lakers came out on top.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    LA don’t need this win, neither do Miami. Miami seem to be feeling pretty good about them selves with only one win against the top 5 (Orlando at home), they’ll keep winning the games their supposed to win and get home court in the play-offs, whereas the Lakeshow got blown out at home last Xmas and won another ring.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 Blackphantom

    co-sign AllBall

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money, I agree in a basketball sense, but certainly not from the media perspective that you mentioned. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but in the media, the Miami hatred is all but gone now. It’s nowhere near where it was a few months ago and I think it’s because nobody really cares as much anymore. There are far better stories out there such as the play of San Antonio and Dallas and the apparent resurgence of the Knicks. Once it became clear that Miami wasn’t going to challenge Chicago’s 72-10 like many people thought and after ad nauseum dissection early on when they were struggling, it made no sense to continue to talk about or hate them. As for Saturday’s game against the Lakers, both teams are struggling against the better squads in the NBA, but I think a Miami victory over LA certainly has more value considering they’re the team with the most to prove this season.

  • JTaylor21

    I’ll be the first to say this since everyone wants to ingnore it; if LA losses homecourt to either Dal or SA, they will not be returning to the finals this june. This LA squad hasn’t won a playoff series when they don’t have HC advantage and this year won’t be any different. So they better start playing catch up or they will be sitting at home in June.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    cosign Bryan Crawford

  • JTaylor21

    AllBall, the reason why I pointed out why head to head meetings between top teams in the regular season are rarely an indication of play-off success was due to Mia losing to top teams this season not because LA’s losing to avg. teams. LA hasn’t played any top team so far, so that stat had nothing to do with them but everything to do with people panicking about Mia’s lack of wins vs top teams.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 Blackphantom

    Yeah, Miami does have more to prove this season. @JTaylor Hey man, you never know, this league is so unpredictable when it comes to stuff like that

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Jtaylor, This LA squad hasn’t lost to anyone in the playoffs because this group, with pretty much a whole new bench, hasn’t been to the playoffs. If you mean ‘This LA squad’ as in Pau, Kobe, Bynum, Lamar they only lost to Boston in the finals in 2008 when they didn’t have homecourt, you’re making it sound like they lost a bunch of playoff series when they didn’t have homecourt when in reality they always had homecourt (except Boston Finals 2008)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Is there anything else we can talk about today? some other nba related topic?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    really professional sports in its entirety is kinda unpredictable when it comes to the post-season sometimes

  • Jackie Moon

    Lebron Lebron Lebron lebron lebron

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    So you think LAL should be worried about losing too bad teams? Boston were .500 after christmas last year yet they got to the finals. LAL is the exact type of veteran team that knows when its time to play.

  • JTaylor21

    I’m just saying that you need HC advantage to win in the playoffs vs elite teams. Ask Bos last year if they could have taken the RS seriously and tried to get HC, they would have beaten LA at home instead of playing GM7 on the road. As you can see they are taking every RS game serious this year. @AllenP, how bout Orl, people were acting like they would be that much better by adding three more scorers who play no D at all when what Orl really needed was perimeter D.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Allenp: Are the Spurs as good as their record? I don’t think so. Tonight will be a good test, although Melo’s out the Birdman and Kenyon are back.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Don’t count out Orlando……yet,

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    When Orlando was clicking last night in the second quarter they looked like they can be really really scary. Gilbert looks very unaggressive, that’s a problem that will quickly be curved, Jameer didn’t seem to sure about his place with Gilbert on the court. And Hedo looks like thier primary playmaker already. I like this trade for them

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    lol that missed dunk by Hedo last night was just sad

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t think it was a bad trade for Orlando, if they got with more traditional lineups that take some defensive and rebounding pressure off Dwight. Hedo should be playing the three, not the four, and Gilbert should be the Vinne Johnson type Sixth man since Jameer is the team leader.

  • Jackie Moon

    For once, I agree with Jtaylor: Home court advantage is YOOGE in the playoffs.

  • Jackie Moon

    OF course, Miami doesn’t need home court, that’s why all the Heat fans said they weren’t sweating the regular season losses.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Miami doesn’t need homecourt? ok

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Heat won’t really live or die on their home-court advantage. Have you guys SEEN the crowds at the AAA from night to night. It almost seems like the best games they play are on the road, makes them a little more volatile when the hate’s being thrown at them.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    What kind of home court advantage would Miami have in the playoffs? A half-empty arena?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Good points

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Your right Allen he definitely isn’t a 4, but JJ Reddick IMO was the worst thing about their lineup yesterday. He can’t defend anyone, especially small forwards, and his inability to create a mismatch totally nuetralizes everything Turkoglu gives you as a 4.

  • JTaylor21

    Of course Mia needs HC, just like any other team that wants to win the whole thing. I just think the team as a whole plays much better on the road due to them feeding off the crowd noise whereas at home they play in front of zombies.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    and as i’ve been saying all along, the Mavericks seem to be next to make a “Melo push”

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LeBron is an aboslute beast on the road. If I was the Heat fan I’d kinda want them to NOT have home-court advantage, and in a perfect world the Heat would play the Cavs in the first round, the Knicks in the second and well…I don’t see them playing anyone but the Celtics in the ECF if the Heat make it there.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    The Heat in the playoffs when they are contenders have amazing homecourt. They were the first basketball team to go all one color for their fans with their white outs if I’m not mistaken. That place was he11 to play in in 2006

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Everyones attendance goes up in the play-offs, every ones intensity rises in the play-offs. With that being said, home court may be more of a buzz for MIA because they will be playing in front of a packed house at home for once.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    SHOTS FIRED!!!!!
    Charles Oakley on whether or not he likes Isaiah Thomas: “I have nothing against Isaiah but he made a lot of comments about the Knicks in the old days. He’s a great player, just like (Charles) Barkley’s a great player, but he’s an asshole. My thing is, when Barkley played basketball, he didn’t practice, he wasn’t a leader, he wasn’t this or that, he just had natural talent so he got chosen to the Dream Team, All Star team because he had the talent and he was the franchise player on the team. Him criticizing all those other guys, he did the same thing when he was young. As soon as they do something wrong, he criticizes them, that’s wrong. He wasn’t real to the game. Let the guys speak out who are real to the game. He talks like a player and I will give him that, but for him to comment about this and being a professional, he wasn’t all that
    And I agree with every word.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allen, I think that makes Charles Barkley the PERFECT person to be criticize todays players.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Yes, Lebron is very good on the road

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m not a fan of hypocrites.
    If you are guilty of something, it’s the most blatant hypocrisy to climb into the judgement seat and rain down fire and brimstone upon others.
    It’s one thing to say “Yeah, I know how a player can make these mistakes because I made these mistakes.”
    It’s something else to tell everybody how terrible and horrible a player is, and how they are stealing money, and to go on and on about a lack of defense.
    Charles Barkley likes to pretend like he doesn’t judge folks, when he does it all the time, and he likes to hold himself up as being this awesome basketball specimen. Like how he puts himself behind Tim Duncan on the best power forwards list. What right does he have to that spot? For someone with his off-court issues and his on-court issues, he’s way to quick to throw stones.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Allenp Barkley says he doesn’t judge people?? Really?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    How would LeBron feel if they win a championship and Dwyane Wade gets Finals MVP (I think if they ever win a chip LeBron will get that honor) I mean, he’ll probably say all the right things, but you don’t want to be the second banana if your Lebron right?

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Bryan Crawford just says some… odd things.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yes, he likes to pretend like he’s just keeping it real, not that’s he’s actually using his platform to castigate and demean others.
    I find Barkley funny on occasion, but I don’t find him all that informative or prepared, and I find him particularly bothersome when he goes on his little rants where he likes try to tell players how it is.
    I like someone like Chris Webber, or Kevin McHale way better than Barkley because even when they criticize someone, they do it in the right way. Kenny Smith also has the same problem as Chuck, although not as bad as Barkley.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Charles and Kenny have an overinflated sense of who they were as players.
    Charles was a superstar, but he wasn’t ever in the dicsussion for best all-time. And the reason why he wasn’t is because he never wanted to put in the work. I remember when Scottie got PISSED at Barkley in Houston because he refused to meet up with Dream and Scottie to work out in the mornings so the team could reach its potential. He promised he would come, then stoppped showing up.
    He was lazy, he was truculent and he failed quite a bit despite having very good talent around him.
    Hell, I blame him for not showing on Stockton and giving up that damn wide open three pointer!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    My thing with Barkley is that he was no different than a lot of the guys playing today. Yes, on the surface he sounds like a hypocrite, but I think he understands how much different a player he would’ve been had he not taken so many things for granted like players of today seem to do. I think he understands now that had he worked hard instead of coasting and just getting by on God-given talent and ability, his career — even though it was good — could’ve been much better. That’s why I think he’s so critical of players today because he can see them taking the same path and making the same mistakes that he did. When you look back and reflect on things that you should’ve and could’ve done differently, it’s easy to become critical of others who are doing the same things.

  • http://brimartin13@gmail.com Brion

    Kobe lives for these X-mas day games (especially against Bron). Lakers win X-mas day.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    So if what I said is “odd” then so be it. I think it’s hypocritical to just blatantly judge a person like Barkley without truly trying to understand what he’s getting at and only focusing on what he’s saying at the surface. Besides, who the heck is Charles Oakley to criticize someone like Chuck anyway?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    That said, I don’t have a problem with Charles Barkley. He was one of the realest cats to every play the game. He’d kick your a$$ and throw you out of of a bar window one night, then give a team 25 and 15 the next night. Chuck is my dude.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Yeah true on the whole Charles Oakley thing

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Charles Barkley might kick my ass, but Charles Oakley would kick Charles Barkley’s ass. And that’s real.

  • T-Money

    Yeah, analysts sometimes forgot who they were. I chuckle when Chuck kills guys for not playing D or hogging the ball. I cringe when he said that Bron should have apologized to Cleveland fans after the December 2 game. Chuck never apologized for sh-t when he was playing, cmon now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    The only thing Chuck apologized for was the spitting incident, when this heckler was yelling racial epithets at him so he attempted to spit on him, and unfortunately that spit landed on a woman.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    You could be right.
    My feeling is that if you know you’ve made the same errors, you don’t come down hard on todays players with judgement and insults, instead you offer insight and advice.
    You can help people avoid your mistakes without denigrating them and insulting them.
    John Lucas does it everyday.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    So because Charles Barkley did all the wrong things when he played, he’s not allowed to be critical? You guys are funny. With age comes wisdom. Even in my own life, whether I know what’s behind it or not, when a person who is older and has more life experience than I have tells me something, I know enough to listen intently to what’s being said. Whether I apply it or not is one thing, but I at least respect it.

  • Da Holy Karron

    Happy Happy joy joy loving my Bucks, and yes Kobe will have a huge game but will fail to rally his troops for da dub. Bcuz da elite 3 will be having that chip on there shoulders show up saturday is going to be nice. Happy hoildays everybody!

  • T-Money

    Yeah, Kenny Smith gets on my nerves too when he acts like a former star. Gary Payton put him in his place once on the set, youtube it – high comedy. Kenny says “Hakeem and I” waaaaay too much when talking about those championship teams.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t find it admirable that Charles was able to dominate despite staying out all hours and hanging in the bar. To me, that’s no different than what Iverson has done, and we remember how Barkley received Iverson when he first hit the league. That’s not a good trait, that’s a weakness.
    Oakley had his own flaws, but he made himself into a shooter, made himself into a solid rebounder, made himself into a lockdown defender. He made it in the league despite being undersized, not especially physically gifted and coming from Virginia Union.
    If Chuck had Oak’s work ethic, he would have legitmately been the best power forward of all-time thanks to his God given gifts.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    ——————————————
    Bryan Crawford Posted: Dec.22 at 1:50 pm
    So if what I said is “odd” then so be it. I think it’s hypocritical to just blatantly judge a person like Barkley without truly trying to understand what he’s getting at and only focusing on what he’s saying at the surface
    —————————————-
    I think it’s hypocritical to just blatantly judge Lebron James without truly trying to understand what he’s getting at and only focusing on what he’s saying on the surface. Something both you and Barkley do, all the time. Crawford, sometimes I think you just say things to be argumentative.

  • T-Money

    Bryan: No, the problem is that he doesn’t offer that perspective at all. That’s YOU putting his comments in perspective. If he prefaced his stuff with saying, “look I know I didn’t always put it in the work, but…” it would be one thing. But he doesn’t. He just stays stuff like “kids these days take everything for granted and don’t work hard enough on their game”. How does that not imply that he himself was puttin in work back in his days and took the game seriously? Chuck’s added value in the NBA landscape right now is providing entertainment and, boy, is he funny – that’s it.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allen, John Lucas’ mistakes were on display for all the world to see and admitting his mistakes daily is just par for the course of his transgressions. With Barkley it’s a little different. If your parents ever chastised you for anything, did they always tell you or admit that they’d made the same mistake? No. My mom never did, especially not initially. Of course it becomes more relatable if people are upfront from the beginning, but sometimes, whether you know it or not, older people have legitimate reasons for saying the things that they say. It’s up to you to listen or not. But I’ve found that in most circumstances, especially when I didn’t listen, they were always right on.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Really, Barkley has shot down people many times for trying to compare his actions to Lebron. He thinks they are totally different. He has never said “I say this because I did this and I regret it” he only says “you shouldn’t do this.”
    We CAN judge Barkley on what he says, he’s supposed to be a mouthpiece to give his opinion to the masses. If he really meant to say “I think Lebron made a bad move, I know because I did the same thing and it hurt me” then he should come out and say it. If he really meant to say “I think Phoenix should play defense, I know because I didn’t and it hurt my team’s championship chances” then he should come out and say it.
    You’re judging us for assuming but you’re being illogical by trying to bring things up that are clearly not there.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    A man older than me who doesn’t have the common sense not to get stopped by the cops while on his way to get head from some random chick and then blurt out that info to the police, doesn’t has much to say to me.
    A man older than me who doesn’t have the sense to recognize that gambling away his money is stupid and childish, and instead bristles at criticism doesn’t have mcuh to say to me.
    Nothing about Charles Barkley says “This is a man I should take advice from.”
    He’s not Tony Dungy, he’s not John Lucas. I respect a man who has made mistakes, whose overcome those mistakes and WHO DOESN’T KEEP MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES.
    How are you going to dispense wisdom when you can’t even get wise in your own life?
    I don’t respect comments from peope older than me unless I respect the person dispensing the comment. I judge a man and his words by the fruit of his labors.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jukai, what is LBJ getting at that I’m missing? Whatever dude…

  • JTaylor21

    Word up Enigmatic, I read that one time Oak five fingered smacked CB34 across the face and Charles stood there in shock and didn’t do a damn thang. Speaking of bill simmon’s book, how many people read that book and came away wanting to choke him if you got the chance to meet him face to face. Dude had the nerve to put two players that won nothing above Zeke who had two rings just because he hated him for beating down his butt-buddy Larry. Also the logic he tried to use to convince people that Russell was somehow better than Wilt is borders on insanity and reeked of his man-love for the celtics.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Oh my god, did you compare Barkley yelling at Lebron to a parent scolding a child?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Different Parents.
    My father was always up front abotu the life he lived, the hoes he ran, the drugs he tried, the street life he embraced before he met God. When he chastised us or cautioned us it was from the perspective of someone who was out their doing certain things and understands where that path leads.
    Hell, I was like eight or nine and he was telling me about losing his virginity at 13.
    Like I said, Charles too often tends to forget that given his ceiling, there were times he was stealing money cheating his teammates and fans. When you have a different ceiling, there are different expectations.
    Isn’t that what you tell us all the time about LeBron?

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Bryan: I don’t know, that maybe he didn’t mean to piss all over Cleveland? That maybe he still generally cares about the fans and he’s not all that egotistical? That maybe he’s not lazy and arrogant but just wants to have fun? Things you assume on a daily basis by dissecting his statements.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    I’m also sorry, I hate when multiple people gang up on you and you have to have three or four debates at once, but perhaps you should reconsider your logic considering multiple people are ganging up on you for this one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Tsk Tsk Tsk…we could go all day about CB34 vs. LBJ6

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jukai: I don’t dissect a persons statements because people can and do say anything, I judge their actions. If you truly believe what guys say in print or in interviews and pay no attention to their works, then you are truly naive.
    Allen: I’ve found that people who were involved in drugs or street life have a tendency to be much more open about their transgressions as opposed to someone who is irresponsible or lazy. It’s more of a triumph to overcome drug or alcohol abuse and people will freely speak about those things. People who were irresponsible or lazy and didn’t take full advantage of their potential are more embarrassed by it and as a result, less inclined to be open about it.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    And Jukai, do you REALLY think I’m going to change my stance because multiple people are ganging up on me? No. And it wouldn’t be the first time that’s happened. That’s so lame.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Bryan: Okay, you don’t dissect a person’s statements. Even though that’s pretty much what you’re doing with Barkley’s statements. And you only judge actions. Even though all of Barkley’s actions have been immensely questionable.
    I think you’re just being argumentative right now, Crawford.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    To be honest none of these people have the right to tell anyone how to do anything publicly. IF you have advise or criticisms (serious ones) then it is always better to speak directly to the person, rather then about them too the media. This goes for both Charles Barkley and Oakley

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Well both Oakley and Barkley have self-serving reasons for sharing their opinions in the public sphere.
    I don’t want to go back and forth about this topic because I don’t see it as fruitful. I’ll speak my final piece.
    I find Barkley to be a blowhard. A funny, entertaining blowhard, but a blowhard nonetheless. I find his “insights” to often be stupid and surface level. I find his analysis banal, and I find many of his opinions trite. I can’t remember the last time he said something that really provided me with some information that I couldn’t have found somewhere else.
    I remember exactly how Barkley carried himself as a player, and I remember how he kissed up to writers in order to protect his image to a degree. I remember that he played the game, and I think he’s still playing the game to a certain degree.
    I guess I’m just not a fan.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jukai, when did I say that Barkley’s actions WEREN’T questionable? And because it’s widely known that his actions were indeed questionable, then I understand why he’s critical of certain players because it’s very easy to see when someone is working hard and when someone is just getting by. Seriously, are you always this slow?

  • Da Holy Karron

    Kenny do be feeling himself way too much…

  • JTaylor21

    What I do know is that I hate when past players are always talking about today’s players not caring and them having it harder. Who cares that you had to stay at the motel 6 instead of the waldof astoria, no one cares that you got only 2 mill a year instead of 15 per and no one cares that you only had 3 groupies at your service instead of the 10 players have today. For people that claimed that they only played for the love of the game, they sure do complain alot about the perks players get today. Sounds like jealousy to me.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Crawford: No, by not taking Barkley’s statements at face value, you’re dissecting them. Even if you’re making Barkley seem like less of a bad guy, you’re still dissecting them. Which you said you never do. I don’t know, maybe you have a different definition of dissecting. But it’s what you are doing, dude.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    JT21, the differences between players then and players today is that they had to actually WORK for everything that they received. Nothing was given. That’s not true today.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    ^^^^
    What are you comparing, the NBA players of the 1960s or of Barkley’s days?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jukai, maybe dissect was the wrong choice of words. What I should’ve said was that I don’t BELIEVE what anyone says at face value, I look at their works. Does that fit into your neat little box better? Barkley’s criticisms of players who coast are warranted because he did the same. And as Allen pointed out, because of the work he put in on his game that I didn’t acknowledge initially, Charles Oakley’s criticisms of Barkley are warranted as well.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    And Jukai, you’re really going to try and argue that todays players ARE NOT given things that they have not earned?

  • JTaylor21

    BCrawford, so you’re telling me that guys today don’t work hard to get to the NBA? Of course there’s going to be guys like Kwame aka busts who don’t pan out but that has more to do with scouts and gms overrating them and less to do with them not caring. If it was easy to getting in the NBA and be a great player without actually working hard, guys like James White and Lenny Cooke would be dominating right now instead of struggling to make the 12 roster spot or languishing overseas.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Did Barkley ever openly acknowledge and apologize for coasting? Did he ever apologize for ditching Philidelphia? Did he ever apologize for not playing defense?
    To my knowledge, the only two things he ever apologized for was his DUI and his spitting on a girl.
    Furthermore: if Lebron criticized Barkley for everything Barkley has done, ie coasted and left his city etc etc… would James have a right to do that, since James has done the same thing?

  • T-Money

    Bryan: I’m pretty sure you also understand why that makes him an hypocrite and why his advices don’t resonate like Dungy’s or Lucas’. Just look at the players’ reactions (Kobe, Bron, etc.) whenever a journalist throws a Barkley quote at them: they always chuckle first and then say something about “Barkley being Barkley” – which is a nice way of dismissing anything he has to say.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    JT21: You didn’t say anything about just simply making it to the NBA. You mentioned perks, but more importantly, money. Did you not?

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Crawford: I think, compared to the 60s, yeah, West and Robertson and Baylor had to earn their status. Chamberlain was constantly tried to be shot down and torn apart because of his physical advantages.
    I think players today don’t get MUCH more treatment than players of the past though. I mean, Barkley had to work for everything but that’s cause he was constantly 300 pounds and everyone thought he would eat his way out of the L. And he did, just much later than people thought.
    I think it’s dumb to say the players of today get SO MUCH MORE than the players of the 90s. Sorry, doesn’t Jordan still have the highest contract of all time? Didn’t Jordan get declared by ESPN to be the best of all time WELL before he won a championship (the answer to that is yes, btw). Really, if you are just jealous of the players of today who get “so much” then just say so. But a lot of the league’s safeguards which were put in place that everyone B&TCHES about constantly are because of the players of the 90s, like Barkley and Ewing and Jordan and that whole bunch.
    End.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    I gotta bounce, but keep the conversation going. I want to see what else Crawford comes up with.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money, if you’re looking to Barkley for any sort of basketball insight or advice then you’re lost. However, that doesn’t diminish or devalue what he has to say. This guy played years in the NBA and now his basketball opinions are worthless? I find that sort of disrespectful.

  • JTaylor21

    So now just becuase they get paid the kind of money they rightfully deserve, they are all of a sudden given things they don’t deserve, WHAT? Come on now son, you know that doesn’t make any sense at all and you’re starting to sound jealous also. It’s the same thing with the kind of money actors get paid today compared to actors of years past. The prices of tickets today compared to the past decades is higher, same with merchandises, which wasn’t sold before and endorsements are higher, so of course players are going to get more money than guys from the 80s but it’s because they deserve every dime. It’s simple economics and something you learn in school. MJ was procalimed the GOAT even before he won anything and still has the highest per-year contract in L history but I don’t hear you complaining about him getting undeserved things.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    Come on my man, you gotta do better than that. Just because somebody does something for a long period of time does not make their opinions valuable.
    Do you value George W. Bush’s opinions valuable on how a country should be run?
    Do you value Liz Taylor’s opinions on marriage?
    An opinion is valuable if it makes sense and provides insight. If it does neither, what value does it have?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I remember that during the 90s, rookies drafted out of school could negotiate their own deals, so you often had recent unproven rookies getting salaries that that were three times what proven vets were making.
    Don’t even talk about what Kukoc got compared to Pippen.
    However, I do think today’s players get more hype and accolades with having to put in the same amount of work, mainly because we have a media that has a vested interest in discovering and promoting hte next next big thing first. But that’s not a player failing, that’s a societal failing.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    *without

  • T-Money

    “Barkley’s criticisms of players who coast are warranted because he did the same. And as Allen pointed out, because of the work he put in on his game that I didn’t acknowledge initially, Charles Oakley’s criticisms of Barkley are warranted as well.” — So any criticism is warranted then, yes?

  • JTaylor21

    Players today deserve every dime they get and I’ll never hate on anyone that gets what’s rightfully his. Of course there’s guys like JJ that shouldn’t be the highest paid player but that doesn’t mean I think he should be getting mid-level type money. Owners are the ones you and past greats should be envious at not the players. If Larry Bird or Oscar played today, they would also get paid top dollar, it’s just that they played when the league’s revenue source wasn’t as big as it is today.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    JT21: MJ didn’t get those huge contracts until the end of his run with the Bulls after being the best player in basketball for years. And you’re saying he didn’t deserve to get paid like that? That’s so incredibly disrespectful and stupid. Not only did he get paid that large amount of money, but he also led his team to titles in the process. Be for real. Did Eddy Curry rightfully deserved the huge contracts he got? How about Jerome James? Charlie Villanueva? Rashard Lewis? You can make an extensive list of players who got paid more money than their on-court production actually warranted. Miss me with that.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    There have always been players who were overpaid.
    I just gave the Kukoc and Pippen example.
    Hell, Magic was underpaid for years thanks to that 25 year contract he signed.
    I don’t know if players “deserve” all the money they get. I would personally like to see salaries for athletes and actors and entertainment people in general reduced, but then again, that’s what hte market dictates. We live in a capitalist society, that’s how the ride works.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allen, all I’m saying is that Charles Barkley knows basketball. And while he may not be the most articulate person, his player evaluations are almost usually spot on. At least in my opinion. The whole television buffoon and clown persona gives him a bad rap and takes away from what he actually knows about the game, but he does know players.

  • T-Money

    Bryan – care to look up sophisms in the dictionary? you really should. // Reducing salaries for athletes and actors only mean more money in owners’ and producers’ pockets NOT more affordable tickets (prices NEVER come down). So, basically, I don’t give a sh-t about how my money is divided because it’s not coming back to me.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Chuck is annoying, sometimes funny, but mostly annoying. Hes always repeating himself as if somehow the third time he says the same thing, everyone will see that he is right. Kenny is a bum, and rides hakeems coattails past pluto. I remember payton killing him, too funny. Cwebb and gp were ten times better than chuck and the bum. BRING BACK GP!!!! SSSCCCCIIIINNTILAAAAAAAATIIING!!!!!!!!. ……………… The lakers got mollywooped, at home, by the bucks, without jennings, maggette, and gooden. ….. Lal have serious problems.

  • JTaylor21

    BCrawford, thanks for ignoring the majority of my post and looking for the one to make your argument on. I was just pointing out how much MJ got those two years and how you never complained about that but players today get huge contracts you start crying about them not deserving it. So kobe, kg, shaq don’t deserve those huge contracts they signed huh but bcuz you swear MJ’s the GOAT he deserved his.
    Anyways, it’s not about whether or not a player deserves said contract but about the GMs/owners willingnes to give out huge contracts. I think that you fail to realize and see that it’s not the players fault but jealousy has obvioulsy blinded you.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Earl Boykins for MVP!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Michael Jordan should have got a $30 Million dollar a year contract EVERY year the Bulls won a title. Real talk.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    JT21: I’m not going to complain about MJ getting paid $30M a season when he’s bringing championships to Chicago in the process and yes, he deserved that money. So what is there to complain about? I don’t get it.
    No, I’m not going to complain about Kobe, KG, and Shaq getting paid huge sums of money because they’ve delivered championships to their teams. What is there to complain about with those guys? But I am going to complain when Eddy Curry, Jerome James, Rashard Lewis, Charlie Villanueva and others get paid crazy money to deliver nothing. No, it’s not their faults, but that’s also not the issue. Especially not when you bring up MJ, Kobe, Shaq and KG. And it’s not a jealousy thing with me. I don’t play in the NBA so I have nothing to be “jealous” about. Everybody in the NBA makes more money than I do, not just 1 or 2 guys. But if you can’t see that some cats are worth what they get while some aren’t then I don’t know what else to say.

  • JTaylor21

    @BCrawford, like I said earlier which you obviously choose to ignore, there are some players that don’t deserve the kind of money they’re getting but it has everything to do with the gm giving it to them and nothing to do with them having it easy or not deserving it. Gms and owners obvioulsy believe that guys like Charlie, Eddy, and Rashad derserve those kind of money even though others think otherwise. So if your “boss” came to you and said; Bryan, I’ve decided to give you a raise and from now on you’ll be making 500K a year. Would you say; umm sorry boss but I respectfully decline because I don’t think I deserve to be making that much.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    JT21, you didn’t say anything like that. You said this:
    JTaylor21 Posted: Dec.22 at 3:27 pm
    Players today deserve every dime they get and I’ll never hate on anyone that gets what’s rightfully his.

  • JTaylor21

    It’s whatever BCrawford but I do remeber saying that guys like JJ shouldn’t be the highest paid player but I don’t think he should be getting mid-level type money neither. It’s okay because you’re an expert at picking out only a small sentence to fit your argument on instead of reading the entire post.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    If earl boykins is destroying your team, you have many problems….. ……. …… Im not really concerned with how much players make. They are the best in their field in the world. ……. I dont care if they have to take a paycut, anything so there is no lockout.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.
    And all his money…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    A “King’s Ransom”, Philo?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Suns fans, why is Gortat slated to come off the bench behind Lopez?
    Also, how would you rate Alvin Gentry as a coach?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Bryan Crawford thinks Charles Barkley is the “PERFECT” person to criticize other players because *surprise* he’s criticizing LEBRON JAMES. If he was criticizing Kobe, Crawford would be up in arms about how he has no right to do so. Barkley is entertaining but his judging of talent is ridiculously bad(Yao Ming, anyone?), and I’m surprised people take him seriously when he criticizes… Well, anything.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Shout out @Teddy-the-Bear.
    Shout out @Enigmatic.
    Shout out @the entirety of SLAM.
    STILL… the Greatest of All Times.
    Period.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    And, where is my guy, Mr. Robinson?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Oh look, it’s Teddy-the-PETA-Rep…

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Gentry is terrible. Obviously, he teaches no defense and expects none. He relies on nash and hill for verything………. …… …… Crawford eats kitten lo mein

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Tarzan, I enjoy chinese food just like the next man.

  • Michael

    Charles Barkley was and still is a meathead. Straight up the dude is just stupid. I dont like Bron but who the f@ck is chuck to run his mouth?

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Allen: I don’t really know why Gortat is slated to come off the bench. To be honest, I think it’s so Robin Lopez doesn’t get jealous. Gortat’s big thing is his pick and roll ability, I just… I dunno. I think that will switch as the season goes on. Maybe Gentry wants Gortat to compete for it.
    Gentry is a fantastic coach, he’s one of my favorite coaches the Suns have ever had. He’s a bit too headstrong and gets too many techs, but outside of that, I really like him— good rotations, has faith in all his players, hypes them up, I mean… the team should have gotten worse when Gentry took over considering the lack of talent, but they got better. He’s really good, he even altered D’Antoni’s system to better fit the players. I like him.
    Bryan: Consider me a PETA rep too. Your thoughts on the Vick incident are really embarrassing, I’m shocked you’d bring it back up.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Charles Barkley is nobody… Just one of the NBA’s 50 greatest players.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I wasn’t embarrassed. Not in the least.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    I know, and that’s a problem.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Not for me. Maybe for you, but I’m good.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    I know, and that’s ALSO a problem.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jukai, you’re so lame. It’s really sad. Grow a pair…

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Hahaha, damn dude. You escalated that quick.

  • the nerve

    yeah. juks just owned u that damn quick.
    @teddy: ayo u got good energy. ur heart got purity in it. dont even stress urself about dat nucka crawfit. he still aint got me off his mind yet. n he aint even GOTTA respond. dat nucka really think he doin sumthin. white @$$ nuka.

  • the nerve

    but jukai fukked up on that gentry shtt. dat dude never was a dude who command respect from players. hes soft. OKAYYY??? OKAYYY? that HAS to make nuckas in the clubhouse laugh at him. ayo why allen come up w/ better topics to jive about than crrraaaawwwfit do?????

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    It’s all good Jukai. You’re sensitive. No shame in that, I guess.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    I just didn’t feel like breaking out the mom jokes, Bryan. Maybe another day. Sorry I was rough on ya.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    No harm, no foul Jukai.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Umm, nucka? Anyone?
    Anyway can’t be bothered with today’s chapter of “the BC takes on all comers on slamonline show”.
    Just left an excellent club in Zurich where Mark Ronson made us all dance. And by dance, i mean DANCE! (the ladies were kooking nice tonight).

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Kooking was supposed to be looking, but in retrospect, “kooking” describes it even better.

  • the nerve

    He BET not come w/da mom jokes. that why he dont respond 2 me no more now. cuz i herbed him on how da slave nuckas made his DIRECT kin people swallow they shtt.. after he called himself “goin in” on my moms n shtt

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    My mum’s so hot, Bryan Crawford could be my father?!..

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Thats right. Burned.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Mark Ronson, huh? I prefer my DJ’s a little darker, but a party is a party.

  • the nerve

    ^yeah i bet!

  • the nerve

    check the style now. reverse psychology. pretty suave there crawfid.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Everyone predicting the Heat do realize their record against above.500 teams suck. Also as a Laker fan, I feel the Lakers will win, but if they lose, I hope the Heat Kill them and that will be fuel for the fire in Kobe to ignite some new fire in the Laker team. They won back to back titles and are sleep walking right now, hoping teams will just give up and give them games. BOOK IT!!

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Nerve sure is trying. ….. Crawford not having it tho…… …… … Dark, kooking is now a term used to describe an incredibly sexy woman

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2010 Diesel

    I didn’t get to get in on the convo before, so I’ll back BC up now. He’s completely correct on his views on dogs. I don’t think he embarressed himself at all. If you feel that a man losing 2 years of his life for killing a dog isn’t enough, something is wrong with you. Its been my experience that people that are that passionate about pets are socially awkward. Their feelings are that strong because animals are the only things they can get along with.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I think Jukai beat BCrawford this time

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    …..Like that surprises me. Jukai is one of the most sensible talkers on here when it comes to talkin’ about the game, and whose better etc.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    It’s been my experience that people like Diesel and Bryan Crawford haven’t actually spent time with animals beyond the zoo or the circus, and are probably @ssholes in real life because, though they don’t realize it, their feelings and attitudes towards animals translates to human beings as well. They are probably real life jerk-offs who claim to love their fellow humans when it’s convenient–but most of the time, as on these comment threads, they’re annoying, and people just h@te it when they show up. Also, they probably put humans on such a high pedestal because they themselves are the lowest of the low and feel insecure–sort of like how ignorant, weak and macho-posturing men will feel somehow threatened by feminists and homosexuals.
    The @sshole part in real life has already been confirmed by Bryan Crawford; I don’t know Diesel enough to make that distinction just yet. I have a feeling Diesel is insecure about something though, since he DID once claim that Allenp got a blog with SLAM based on his race alone. Go f*cking figure.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay I’m out, f*ck this. There are too many stupid people on the Internet to argue with constantly. Bye.

  • http://philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!!

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    @Diesel: If there was a bomb in a building and I had the choice to save my German Shepperd and Bryan Crawford, I’d save my Shepperd. Guess that makes me socially awkward (although I’m sure several people here would thank me).
    Vick served his time, and I have no problem with him getting MVP. The issue is, he still gets star treatment. People almost look at Vick like a victim, as if he’s carrying some undeserved stigma, but that is just utter horsesh*t… DUDE COMMITTED A MASSIVE FELONY AND HE GOT RIGHT BACK TO HIS JOB! If I was arrested for two years, I would not be hired back to my company, not even on a pay cut. Felony’s destroy lives. Michael Vick’s life is right back on the path of a multimillionaire, barely skipping a beat, and that’s just nuts.
    You guys are downplaying what Michael Vick did. He profited over the suffering of animals, I mean, he probably nearly caused a hundred dogs to suffer or die. He killed a few with his hands. That’s psychotic. And it’s pretty unbelievable in my mind that people would go back and root for him.
    But hey, I guess I’m socially awkward or whatever term you used in your lame*ss Freudian psychoanalysis you just spurted out.

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Hahaha Teddy, I remember that. Diesel was like, “ALLEN ONLY GOT HIS GIG HERE CAUSE OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION!!!!”

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Go ahead Philo, I don’t think ‘Bron is king, but go ahead exercise your beliefs on basketball, you’ve lightnede up a thread that turned gloomy, ad I’m done for the night. Merry Christmas EVE EVE yall

  • http://sjkdflsf.com Jukai

    Also, thanks BlackPhantom.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    @ Tarzan: word, make it so.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Just read about the passing of Carmelo’s sister. So sad. Brings all this nba nonsense right back into perspective.

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Boo-hoo… Certain commenters don’t like me. So what. My self worth isn’t rooted in being liked by any of you guys. Like Joakim Noah said, I have my friends. You guys come here and try so hard to get everyone to agree with your pathetic basketball positions as if that makes you some sort of experts when in reality a vast majority of you guys are completely clueless.

  • T-Money

    Jukai, really? Animal lovers are so creepy.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If I had to choose between saving the life of my worst enemy and my beloved pet, I would choose my enemy. Every time.

  • the nerve

    yeah. this from a guy who dont even know who james donaldson is. gtfoh n stop cryin.
    u like dark dj’s? dat aint what ur facebook page say. seem like u like em high yellow. ashamed of ur blackness. bryan crawford? how bout BRYAN.t GUMBEL!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Trolls are one thing, but stalker trolls, that’s all kinds of weird right there.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2010 Diesel

    Jukai and Teddy – We already had this discussion. I never said anything about Allen getting his job because of his race or affirmative action. But if you need to talk about my views on that to somehow prove your point on dogs, then that shows me how desperate you are. Jukai – thank you for at least trying to explain your position, but the fact that you would save your dog over a human, because of that human’s views on basketball, thats just craziness. I don’t care how you look at it. Teddy – thanks for the spot on analysis. People don’t like me commenting on these threads but they love when you show up calling everyone retards and typing in all caps? Get the f*ck out of here. I’m sure you eat meat – are you this passioante about the cows and pigs that are slaughtered every day so that you can eat? Probably not. You just suggested that I was a sexist and a homophobe because I think that a man giving up 2 years of his life for killing a dog is justice enough? That makes sense. You’re trying to make me out as someone that doesn’t care about other people, but then you come on here and basically say you’re not satisfied until Vick’s life is ruined. I don’t care what the situation is. Human life>pet’slife. And if you’re so disconnected from society that you don’t see that, then you have a probelm.

  • the nerve

    nah no stalking here my nucka. what u still think i KNOW U? Damn sure seem like it dont it? fuk wit ur soul like ETHER!

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    jukai, vick is also in the top 0.00000001% of his career field. are you?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Sorry Allenp, then I feel sorry for you and I feel sorry for your so-called “beloved” pet. No disrespect intended, because you know I respect you.
    Jukai is the only one making sense in this comment thread, and it’s incredibly, incredibly sad that no one else sees it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Just because you agree with someone doesn’t mean they are making sense, it means you agree with them.
    I can’t prove to you that saving a human, in any circumstance, is the right move instead of saving a pet. I don’t condone violence against animals, and I said that Vick’s actions were horrible. But, I think it’s a bit wild that you and Jukai would rather protect a dog then a human being, even if they are someone you don’t particularly like. They are still a human, and to me that is important.
    I find extreme animal lovers strange. Many of them complain that animals are treated unfairly, yet they condone removing animals’ testicles to reduce their population. They justify this by saying that without this, the excess pet problem would be horrendous and more animals would be euthanized. So because we’ve decided there are too many dogs or cats and then kill them, the solution to that problem is to remove their ability to reproduce? It feels cruel.
    Anyway, I think humans are more important and apecial than animals no matter how horrible the human has behaved. I believe in the power of forgivenss, I believe in God, and I believe in redemption. To me, this Vick issue is about redemption, repentance and forgiveness. That resonates with me. Yes, Vick did something bad, but in my mind, he is not beyond redemption.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I’m an animal lover of course, but I don’t agree with neutering at all.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Do they numb the animal up before procedure (neutering) in question?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    They do numb the animal, so, is it all that bad?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    look at it this way, would you want your ability to make more of your own species chopped off?

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