Post Up: Playing With Fire

Ya’ll realize your arguing that having Carlos Arroyo/Mario Chalmers on the court is better then having Mike Miller right? That’s what this comes down too.

so he therefore, offensively and defensively is the best late game option Miami has, against everyone except maybe Golden State.

BC: Wade/Bron/Miller is also a better defensive line up. In SHORT SPURTS, D-Wade is Miami’s most adept defender at the 1. He’s the only one on the team that can stay with guys like CP3, Rondo, Deron, etc. He shouldn’t do it the whole game but if I’m Spo, I WANT D-Wade on Rondo at the end of games. Guys, just face it: there is nothing to gain by having Arroyo or Chalmers on the floor instead of Mike Miller at the end of games.

If Wade is the most adept defender at the 1 yet Spo decides not to have him guard the elite PG’s and they subsequently go on to destroy the Heat, the logical assumption would be that a)Wade isn’t as good as defensively advertised, or b) Spoelstra is a moron.

All I gotta say is that the Heat are finally putting it together. Just watch out when they solidify their lineups.

I dont even know what youre arguing against at this point. Wade cant guard 1s when Arroyo or Chalmers are on the floor because tgose csnt guard 2s. Wade can stay in front of almost any pg in short spurts. Thats why he will guard 1s at the end of game. Simple, no? // As for Mike Miller, he will play and play a lot. How he is categorized us largely irrelevant. Dude CAN dribble. He did so in Memphis, MInny and DC. And he will never be asked to cover pointguards. Ever. Tge argunent was never about whether miller is a pg but can wade/miller/james work together.

PS: Wade doesn’t want to guard or play the point full time either.

It’s a tough position now, unless your mostly a quick guy with a lot of stamina.

The change on jtaylor in this comment section reminded me of what happened to al capone on boardwalk empire. Who pulled your coat man?

Ok, will the real Jtaylor please stand up.
I didn’t bother reading all the comments from Slam’s most notorious know-it-alls in this TPU, but JT being civil was… different.

@Tarzan & Allen the difference IMO now is he has players that will demand he shoot, rather then coaches. In Minn he was the Vet presence, and Washington he and the other Vets were all hurt so never got a chance to be aggressive. Well hopefully for Miami’s sake.

Also, I’m laughing beause as I watch the Suns game, the Blazers are running full court presses on Nash at every possession. ROFL@”No team ever runs full court presses anymore”

I cannot believe that Mike Miller is a point guard, now. I just cannot believe it…
Unbelievable.

I absolutely love Boardwalk Empire (my fav characters are Chalky White and Mr.Half a Face; Richard Harrow) and can’t wait till next season, AllenP, no one pulled my coat, I just love it when we are strictly talking basketball.

Damn, another comment under moderation. Jukai: Being right or wrong has nothing to do with democracy. Comparing Kobe-Artest-Odom to Wade-Bron-Miller is so ridiculous that I don’t even know where to begin. So I won’t, I’ll let you rethink that. Somehow, the discussion got swayed into whether Mike Miller is a point guard, which was never my point. My point was that this line up can work WITHOUT a designed point guard. And again, why are you arguing this like we don’t know whether Mike Miller will play a lot with James and Wade. That’s why they signed him for and that’s what Spo said his role would be with this team even though he won’t start games. It’s exactly like Odom – he will not start but will ALWAYS finish games. Spo has said this already, it’s not really debatable. You can argue if you think it’ll work or not but you can’t argue if it’ll happen or not, it’s already been decided. Unless you’ve had conversations with Spo recently which I was not privy to.

And come to think of it, Jukai, I now vividly remember you arguing ad nauseam that Miami’s starting line up should be Wade-Miller-Bron-Bosh-Z on other posts!!! You’ve had a revelation?

T-Money: Yeah, my revolution is that Lebron isn’t that great of a passer in the open court, and he has openly complained so much about creating in the halfcourt that it would be pointless to try and force it. I believe every other person who has watched the Heat has had that epiphany as well.
I’ll try and explain my Lakers/Heat comment with minimum syllables. It was either you or NBK who said that “Miller is better than Chalmers and Arroyo so why not play your best players!!!!” So I responded that the Lakers do not play Kobe-Ron-Odom-Gasol-Bynum. Even though they are totally capable of doing so, since Kobe is able to bring the ball up and pass, and Kobe can defend point guards, Artest can guard the two, Odom the three just fine.
YET JACKSON NEVER DOES IT EXCEPT VERY FEW TIMES DURING CRUNCH!
Yes, it doesn’t COMPLETELY compare to the situation since Wade and Lebron are better passers than Kobe, but the triangle also takes away a lot of passing woes so it’s closer than you want to admit.
And once again, they said this on the record, unless you can cite something for me, before the season truly began, when everyone still though Lebron was going to be willing to play point. Which, you know, he’s not. He just wants to play point forward. That’s fine, but that means you have to move two players out of position instead of just one. It sucks.
I also want to differentiate that your argument isn’t as bad as NBKs: You want Miller to walk up the ball and give it to Lebron/Wade. NBK originally wanted Miller to play point before he changed it when he realized he was balls-off-wall wrong. I’m FINE with Miller bringing it up but… I just don’t GET it. Why? Lebron and Wade are better ball handlers and better creators. Miller is great at running into position and shooting. Why would you want Miller bringing the ball up? You haven’t really answered that, I want that explanation.
Chalmers and Arroyo can at least outspeed their opponents and create some mismatches by bringing it up. Miller really can’t, and will be exposed to presses in which case Lebron and Wade will have to bring it up anyway. Just so many issues with this. Everyone sees it but you.

Jukai your ignoring most everything being said by everyone and going on irrelevant tangents. Boone ever said he would be the PG. End of story. This started with a fact – miller will not take all of james jones’ minutes, he would also take minutes away from arroyo and chalmers as well. And then you and Bryan Crawford went nuts about him not being a pg. And now after all of the repetition your reverting back to that, look he will play the minutes, you don’t have to get it, and comparing this heat lineup of playmakers (wade, lebron, miller) to a scorer (Kobe), a scorer ball hog ball stopper (artest) and a pf/sf with a guard skill set means you probably never will. Let’s just keep in mind that the most similar lineup to this, playmaker-playmaker-playmaker is 2nd 3peat bulls that have already been discussed and that lineup started and was pretty successful. Oh yeah, and one of them couldn’t shoot at all.

And no I’m not saying he will or even necessarily should start. But he will see plenty of minutes, and will undoubtedly be on the end of game lineup. There is not one single advantage in arroyo that late in a game, and chalmers is solely a defensive asset against *some (not the elite) pg’s.

Bringing up Kobe at the point in this situation is bat-sh*t crazy. But for entertainment purposes Wade played the majority at the one his rookie year, and took that team to the playoffs and won a round so as you like to say “fail” – anyway they will see floor time together, arroyo and chalmers will see a reduction in minutes, and the Heat will get better as a team.

Miller or Kobe playin Point in Miami ? gtfooh ! wow ! Look at (rawfi$h starting some ish & jumpin at the throat over some pointless BS point of view. This is all wrong. Yawn. Thats why im gonna shatter yer wee hearts with a wee conclusion. Miller is going to spot up for open treys once Wade or Bron break the D down. That’s it. The guy’s just commin off an injury, i feel he should play a nice role doin what he does best just bustin treys , hopefully gettin some boards but NOT bringin the ball up. + Miami are 3 games above the Bulls RECOGNISE !!!!!

Michael Jordan played the two in Chicago’s offense… I mean that’s ridiculous… the triangle is VERY modified and one can argue it changes the role of a point guard and center drastically, but it really does not alter the two-spot much at all, so that was such a horrendous example. Why did you even bring that up?
Chalmers would be far better against elite points than Wade would. That’s not even a question. Wade is a help defender, but isolation D has been pretty disappointing this season. Mike Miller is a great player, a great shooter, but that’s what he is, a shooter. If Arroyo is hot, I’d let Arroyo stay in. If Chalmers is locking stuff down, I’d let Chalmers stay in.
Hell, if James Jones is 5-5 from three and Mike Miller is 2-5 from the field, are you really going to have Mike Miller in the game over Jones at crunch?
This is exactly how the Miami Heat are going to lose— by not treating its players, outside of Wade/Lebron/Bosh, as role player pieces who will play set minutes UNTIL crunch time, in which case they will be randomly chosen to step up. The Lakers do that. Lord knows the Bulls were in it, ask Kukoc and Rodman how many times each were benched and upset during key possessions.
Treating Haslem as more than a low-minute role player already hurt the Heat enough. Unless Miller comes in obliterating teams (and I mean going beyond hitting spot up shots, I mean taking it inside and hitting Lebron/Wade for wide opens), he needs to be treated as he is.
Your statements about Miller CLEARLY show you like the player and you’re letting your objectivity interfere with rational thought.

And your insistance that me suggesting Miller will see a good portion of minutes is an example of me liking him is weird, and wrong. Miller is not just a “shooter” you can say that, but he isn’t. Pat Garrity was just a shooter, Mike Miller is a utility player, with the reputation as a shooter. You are write that there will definately be times, like if Carlos Arroyo is having the game of his life, that Miller will not play in crunch time, but that won’t happen often. Chalmers will not take minutes away from Miller this season, not matter how good of defense he plays in his 15 minutes of floor time, Jones after a 5-5 night from three, maybe…but spoelstra had the opportunity to use Jones at the end of a game earlier this year, and opted for Eddie House, so Miller will see the bulk of important minutes, because he is the better player, LeBron James and Dwyane Wade handle the ball anyway, there are no real PG duties to handle on that team. and once again, the heat will be better for it. end of story

jukai your ignorant, there is no reason for me to make that up. and eddie house isn’t a pg, he is just small. and btw, carlos arroyo is the only player on the heat that actually does play “pg,” when chalmers is in the game he doesn’t handle any pg responsibilities other then defending the opposing pg. well he was handling pg duties earlier this year, but he has had less and less responsibility game to game. if you watched the Utah game last night you should have noticed he only dribbled the ball up the court once, in all is minutes.