Post Up: Playing With Fire

JTaylor21 Posted: Dec.7 at 3:12 pm
This is the NBA where in the playoffs you need players playing to their strengths not trying to be something they are not. Arroyo/Chalmers are PGs (not great but the heat don’t need a great one) while Miller/Bron/Wade are scorers who can pass. The heat are a great team when you have Bron at SF attacking and finding open shooters, wade slashing and drawing fouls, arroyo/chalmers bringing the ball up court and spotting up, Bosh on the block and hitting shots off PnR.

So you’d rather have arroyo and chalmers spotting up then Mike Miller.

And lets not forget, we haven’t even brought up the fact that the heat struggle on the boards, and Mike Miller is notoriously a good rebounder. Also, with Mike Miller on defense the Heat will be able to switch on every single pick, and aspect of chicago’s defense during their second 3-peat that was rarely talked about. Its very hard to play a team that can interchange on defense at all three positions during any given offensive set. (I’m not saying anyone is a lock down defender, don’t go pulling stuff out of thin air)

@Anton

I like Felton and Nate Robinson (though he’s not a real point, he’s learned a lot from Rondo, The Big 3 and Doc), making him a lot more well rounded than before.

You want to know what REALLY turned the season around (at least it seems that way as of today)? Wade and Bron bumped heads and instead of splintering, they ironed that sh*t out in private (within that “mystical” players only meeting) and decided to play ball….TOGETHER….and not pout their way through struggles and bail on the rest Bosh, Spo and anyone else that had expectations on them. That’s the real sh*t, as told to me from one of the Heat’s broadcast guys that has the teams pulse. The rest of the problems start to alleviate because of it.

especially considering I and other have seen you be compeletely wrong on more then one occasion and you have never once been man enough to admit your wrong, or overly biased to the point of ignoring logic, just saying, its not me that’s the issue when you ahve a problem with a different commenter on a regular basis

@Bron, you can be certain that the first game with the Bulls will be detremental for your health. @nbk, while Bron Crawford may be an arrogant prick, I can speak with some level of certainty that most of the SLAM writers do their work for free (especially for the on-line work) so it’s kind of misleading when we think they are paid employees of some sort….they definitely have the perks alot of us would love to have (player access, game access, a public forum, etc)but they’re also doing it out of love for the game and this place, so it’s commendable even when the disagreement is there between commenter and writer.

NBK, damn forgive me Mr. Omnipotent. What would you rather have arroyo and chamlers doing out there? Posting up? They are in the same boat as miller, house, and jones, they were brought in here to be spot up shooters not guys who create off the dribble. It’s the same way LA uses Fisher, they allow him to bring the ball up the court, he passes to either kobe or odom then he spots up on the three point line waiting for an open look. Also I don’t think you want Miller starting out there because he’s much better off the bench.

Chalmers wasn’t brought in to be a spot up shooter….he was drafted with the idea in place that he would be the long term starting point guard for the squad. That hasn’t panned out yet.

@JTaylor, i didn’t mean it like that, I meant with that little amount of responsibility, and the fact that Miller is a better shooter, and bigger (easier to shoot over smaller players) then wouldn’t it make sense to give those duties (passing and then spotting up) to him?

BC: But mostly shoot the ball. And be better at basketball than Arroyo, Chalmers, House and Jones combined. Which is all we’re expecting him to do. A 48% 3-point shooter last year will get wide open looks all game long. I’m freaking STOKED.

Actually nbk, the fact that you so vehemently argued the Mike Miller for PG thing when it makes no sound bball sense is what helped shape my opinion.

So because Miller is taking minutes away from Arroyo and Chalmers ya’ll assume I’m saying he should be there primary ball handler? Arroyo and Chalmers aren’t even the primary ball handler when they are in the game, what would change with Miller?

nbk, don’t back pedal now. A few of us here basically broke down why Miller playing PG would be a massive failure and you consistently argued against it.

I didn’t mean to introduce – because its a stolen concept, from the 80′s celtics, and the second three peat bulls, who used their size and speed advantage to switch on defense and limit offensive options.

I argued why he would take Chalmers and Arroyo’s minutes. I never once called him a PG, or said he would be better at that position then the other two, I said its best for the Heat…as a team. Plus the only thing Ya’ll argued was that he couldn’t take care of the duties of a PG (dribble up the court being the only one used – which is laughable to even consider being a problem, no team will press, not against the Heat, and if they did LeBron would do what he does regardless of whose “in at point”, dribble up the court)

what’s the skillset bryan, Harper was 33 or 34 his first year in chicago, and relied largely on his athletic ability for most of his career. He was also the primary scoring option on Cleveland and the Clippers, so his skillset did not dictate he would be a usable point. Infact, before MJ came back, and created the ability to switch on anyone on the perimeter for chicago’s defense Ron Harper was a situational role player off the bench that saw no important floor time. but hey, its not like i’ve been watching the sport my whole life or anything

NBk, you’re obvioulsy watching another team because the team I saw win 5 in a row has either Arroyo or Chalmers bringing the ball up the court most of the times. The only time either wade or bron brought the ball up the court was either after a rebound or when arroyo and chalmers were on the bench.

I looked, Harper was 31 his first year in chicago, and played 19.9 minutes. He did start 53 games, at the 2, then was relegated to bench duties when MJ came back. He scored 6PPG 2APG 2RPG, Mike Millers numbers have never been that low.

JTaylor: when Arroyo or Chalmers are on the floor, there is no need for others to bring it up. But none of them will be on the floor in crunch time.

T-Money, that’s exactly what i’ve been saying thank you.

actually I mentioned that earlier, you know with all the other things i’ve been so “wrong” about.

*slow clap*

BC: I see what you’re trying to do there but Bron has not refused anything. He is actually the primary ball-handler and facilitator on the team. He admitted that he was playing point a lot at the beginning of the year (when, mind you, guys like you where saying that he was pounding the ball too much – do you want him to be point or not?!) but Spo has made a concerted effort to not have Bron or Wade bring the ball up unless they grab the board. Nice try.

T-Money, I’m not trying to do anything. You guys were the ones who said that LBJ had an aversion to playing the PG which is why you guys suggested playing Mike Miller at the 1 instead. And unless my understanding of basketball is all the way off, dribbling 10 seconds off the shot clock every time down the floor and not facilitating any ball movement on offense isn’t exactly what a PG does. But I’m not going to get into an LBJ hate fest today. I see what you’re trying to do there. Nice try.

Well, for the most part this was about basketball, but of course it devolved some. Whats funny is some people( hubie, jvg, etc) have been critical of mike miller the past couple years for not looking for his shot, and passing up open looks. They said hes been handling too much, which takes away from his strength: shooting. Mm can handle and distribute some, but not for a whole game, and those skills wont be needed much in miami.

Again, I’ve never said that Mike Miller should play the one. All I’ve said is that he will be asked to bring the ball up some. There will not be a point guard in Miami’s crunch time lineup. Wade will defend opposing point guards. It doesn’t matter what you call Mike Miller, he will be on the floor with Wade and Bron to finish games. If you want to pretend that your 4:28 pm comment was not an attempt to bring this on Bron… hey, whatever floats your boat, I guess. Your comment is still flatly inaccurate, he never refused to be the primary ball-handler or facilitator. That’s what he’s been his whole career (unless you want to argue that Mo played that role in Cleveland).