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Sunday, January 9th, 2011 at 12:39 am  |  128 responses

Kobe Bryant Passes Oscar Robertson on Career Scoring List

Hate him or love him, you have to applaud Kobe Bryant’s on-court accomplishments. The 31-year-old’s latest feat, passing Oscar Robertson on the career scoring list, took place on Friday night. Former SLAM contributor, Arash Markazi breaks it down:

Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant made a running jump shot with 1:11 remaining in the third quarter against the New Orleans Hornets to move him past Oscar Robertson for ninth place on the NBA’s all-time scoring list.

Bryant finished with 25 points in the Lakers’ 101-97 win over the Hornets on Friday and now has 26,720 points. Next on the list is Hakeem Olajuwon with 26,946 points.

“It’s a huge honor,” Bryant said after the game. “So much of my game is built on those that came before me, Oscar in particular. It’s a huge honor to be moving up that ladder.”

“I don’t know, we’ll see what happens,” Bryant said when asked how high he will go on the all-time scoring list. “The ladder I’m more focused on climbing is Bill Russell’s ladder, so we’ll see.”


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  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Clap for him.

  • MUBWAR

    Bill Russell has like 11 rings. Stay close with Jordan’s, the other one is unrealistic dude…Maybe Lebron could(oh im just dreamin…)

  • Jer-Dawg

    7 rings before it’s over, Kobe. It’s still attainable. Have lockout shortened season, rest your body and come back better in 2011-12 season.I hate the business of NBA! Ruins the fans love of basketball! What to owners care about the purity of the game, they pimp the game! Booo!!!

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    no more titles for lobe. hope he enjoyed the ride.

  • kash

    Hey, sorry to be ‘that’ guy, but KB is actually 32 yrs old. Thx.

  • rich

    how many years do you think he has left of being a first or second option type of player on a good team. sometimes he looks like an attacking tough competitor and other times he looks like vince carter. that is a sign of age so how long does he have

  • JTaylor21

    Is he really better than the Big O?

  • http://studmuff73.blog.com/ Zabba

    Big NO to that question.

  • L

    I would say he has two more years as a primary options then he should do like TD. L

  • Joe

    lol @ Zabba ^. But seriously, yes he is.

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    JTaylor: Scoring the basketball in the NBA, YES. Give props were they are due…Keep hustlin’

  • burnt_chicken

    Oscar could score 30+ over a season (and did–SIX TIMES– and had better shooting percentages than Bean to boot). Kobe could never average a triple double over a season (who can?). I’d take Robertson over Bryant in a heartbeat.

  • larrylegend

    BALLHOG!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Congrats Kobe, he’ll move up even higher on the list this season, so expect alot more of ‘Kobe passes..’ news headlines on the main page :P

  • BostonBaller

    Congrats to Kobe..let’s not bring up other players to lessen his accomplishments.

  • http://dsajfklf.com Jukai

    If I’m making a list of the “best” players, I’d put Oscar ONE SPOT over Kobe. Oscar was more skilled, more dominating for his time.
    But like, Kobe has five rings. You can’t put Oscar over Kobe in a “greatest” player list.

  • JTaylor21

    Why not Jukai? I think that people place too much value on rings and it shouldn’t be the biggest factor in deciding who’s greater than the other. The Big O was more dominant in his prime than Kobe ever was, so how does kobe get placed over him in any greatest player list.

  • Sean B

    Anyone who thinks Oscar had more skills than Kobe must only be looking at the stats. Oscar murdered people who by and large didnt lift weights or train in the off season. Not to mention fat smokers like tom heinsohn. If you ever watch a game from the 60s the players skills are remarkably underwhelming, half couldnt even dribble wih their left hand. So to say Oscar was more skilled is obviously not the truth, since a function of his amazing stats is that he was able to dominate guys that would never touch the league now.

  • 2KInsider

    I’d rather have Kobe’s career than Oscar’s. I would care less about being “respected” and care more about actually living the experience of winning championsips and scoring all of those points.

  • http://www.myspace.com/freedmusic fredd

    yes, but to win the finals is not the ultimate thing when you’re a player ? yes ( and so the one thing you can use as a criteria to decide who is the best or not ) … I never really liked Kobe Bryant … but the more the time is passing, and the more i appreciate the real competitor a la M.Jordan he is. He’s definitely in the top list for all time greats, but after .. who cares to be n’1 or 2 etc … it’s a pool of greats …

  • tavoris

    Kobe is better than O. Kobe is that dude. Congrats for him.

    @rich-Kobe probably got 2 more years of being able to get like 25 a game. If he didn’t break away from the triangle so often, you could probably squeeze 4 more years.

  • Shem

    Sean B said it best. 50 years ago was such a different time, with different rules and different ways to play the games. I believe the gap of skill between Oscar and players of his time was greater then the gap of skill between Kobe and players of today. But Kobe is more skilled then Oscar.

  • http://NBA.com EJ

    Who is better, Kobe or Oscar, when you consider overall skill, rings, stats, overall impact on the game and since Oscar played 30 before Kobe, you gotta bring in the competition during the era factor too?
    Like if Oscar would play today, he wouldn’t have so crazy stats. His rebounding would definitely be down, and his scoring too a little. What do you think?

  • mike

    who cares

  • Mr McOvaChicken to you

    @BostonBaller : Well you gotta hope B. Crawford don’t show up coz he’l just ruin the day with his Bron Talk. I’m givin a clap to Loby Tryant. Just 1 clap then everlasting silence.

  • Mr McOvaChicken to you

    Dont go there EJ. Please

  • Mr McOvaChicken to you

    ok then. I would compare Loby to M.J. and Bron to Oscar. Not the other way round.

  • Mr McOvaChicken to you

    Kobe got to be able to pass to hang with the BIG O.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Jukai – I always wonder, when you make your list, do you take into account whether the older players could have as much success now? Or do you just take into account how they did against the players of their era?
    Because if you placed Oscar in a time machine exactly as he was then to play against any of the top players in the L now, he would be thoroughly outmatched.

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Shout out to Bean and Mr. FriedChicken and his extra crispy brain cells.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Oh, and the best wing player in the L keeps on trucking. 15 years in, with athleticism going, will Bron be getting 25 a night? Will he have developed a post move? Will he even be in the L?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I actually agree with Jukai on the “bes” and “greatest” thing. I personally think the Big O was a more complete player than the Black Mamba

  • Scott

    To take nothing away from Oscar but there is no way he would put up those numbers in todays league. The average team took 26 shots a game more back in 62. Plus the average team shot a lower percentage which leads to alot more boards. Kobe in his prime would put 40 per game easy back in 62.

  • A.

    @AllBall247:

    “Will he even be in the L?”
    That has got the be the most stupid thing I’ve read today. Unless something tragic happens, there’s no reason why LeBron shouldn’t be in the L. 15 years in and dude will be 33. That’s just stupid talk. Stop it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    *”best”

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Lebron would be in the L but, he’d be NOWHERE near his regular high-flying self, I wouldn’t be surprised if he got fatter and lazier.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    But back to the Kobe-Oscar comparison

  • Ganchan

    One thing no one takes into consideration is if Oscar actually grew up in this time period. He would have all the same advantages as today’s players. Then its a fair playing field. You can’t compare players of different eras its not fair either way.

  • A.

    Who is at their regular high-flying self after playing 15 freaking years in the NBA? Who? Nobody, that’s who. No one is saying that LeBron will be dominating on the break like he’s been doing for the past 8 years, but to say that he won’t even BE in the L is just stupid. And adding that he might be lazy and fat, well that’s just funny.
    Oh, my bad. I forgot that Kobe’s the only one who stays in shape year round, and always works on his game. It’s obvious LeBron never does and sucks. Hell, he can’t even shoot, all he does is go to the rim over and over again. LeBron sucks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    lol @A I’m probably wrong. I guess I made too much of watching Shawn Kemp’s demise. That’s not fair to LeBron. I’m sorry, LeBron fans

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Looks like A. took the bait. Why didn’t you answer the serious question, will Bron be putting up 25 a night after 15 years? how about after 17? Seeing as Kobe has played two plus seasons worth of games in the post-season.
    Oh, just so you know, Mubwar brought up Bron in the 1st damn comment, before LeBron army comes out in force.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Shout out to Kobe Bryant.
    Still has that “fire in the belly”.
    That is the most important thing. He really wants to be the best of all time. I mean, he is not, nor will he ever be the best of all time, but, he surely is making a valiant attempt.
    Respect.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Oh,
    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!
    The King’s army just showed up. lol.
    Shout out @AllBall247

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    lol, surprisingly I wasn’t talking about you Phil, but I should of expected your slogan. Now that I think about it, you are the King of the Bron army, Eboy would be the Queen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    back to the main subject please?

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Kobe-Oscar? Ganchan hit it on the head really.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Kobe-Oscar? Ganchan hit it on the head really.

  • Loaf

    ^LOL^ king an queen lool

  • http://NBA.com EJ

    I don’t think Oscar was a more complete player than Kobe. He got rebounds because he played with smaller and less athletic players, and teams shot and missed more back then. I’ll give passing to him, it hasn’t changed, or actually it has, since Big O was passing to less talented players in the 60s.
    Obviously I haven’t seen much footage of Oscar’s play, but is it really possible that a guy who played in the 60s would have mastered more facets of the game, than Kobe? He was really ahead of his time, you ogtta give him that. But Kobe can do pretty much anything on the court.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    Congrats to Kobe………

  • Mvp23100

    Folks kill me Oscars the king of the triple double but Kobe is better all around or more skilled what does Kobe do besides score he’s not a great rebounder passer or defender doesn’t block shots he’s a gunner and not even efficient at that

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    lol, Phil you can’t be endorsing this guy ^^^

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Kobe’s not a great defender? ok

  • Mvp23100

    Hype he’s never been a great defender Gil torched LA for 60 Roy kills Kobe when he’s healthy in what instances has he showed to be this great defender
    @Allball get off my balls you female

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    lol, If people just don’t like Kobe then cool. If you can’t recognise him as one of the greatest ever, and as a great scorer, very good passer, very good rebounder & very good defender then obviously you are blinded by your bias, or love for Bron.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    I mean, he is not going to be on the court long enough to score this many points if he can’t pass, rebound or defend. Moron.

  • http://slamonline.com Saviour

    OR would be MURDERED in todays game, it wouldn’t even be fair. All these chumps who talk about the older players being better played in a time when training was easier, runners ran slower, weight lifters benched much lower weights, everything was easier than todays competition…Oscar wouldn’t last one season in todays league.

  • Mvp23100

    5 assist a game in the triangle makes you a great passer 4 or 5 boards make you a very good rebounder you clown and what instances has he showed this great defense again because he made all team and who said anything about Bron your a female catching feelings he’s a great scorer that’s it the rest of his game is average or below average

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    All of this stupid is making my head hurt.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Judging a players skill on stats isn’t the best way to do it. Shaq has always shot over 50% from the field, but is he a good shooter?

    How about his perennial appearances on the All Defense team? That should tell you he is a good defensive player.

    I’m actually a male, not ‘catching any feelings’, as we are talking over the Internet, and you clearly don’t know what your talking about.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    AND, how can a top 10 player all time be below average at everything apart from scoring. Wouldn’t some one of found him out by now? Yet he is 15 years in still doing it, but you obviously know more than all the coaches & players who have tried to stop him and been unable to, on the way to his 5 championships & counting.

  • Mvp23100

    @Myles
    Take a nap son

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    wow MVP23100, you might be stupider than the Nerve

  • tavoris

    Allball247-agreed. The dude has done it all…the only real knock on his game is that he doesn’t trust his teammates. However, the same was said for 95% of the people in the HOF.

  • Mvp23100

    Judging a players skill on stats isn’t the best way to do it-that’s real dumb of you to say player efficiency rating men lie women lie numbers don’t he’s an outstanding scorer you can’t put emphasis on anything else now bron or cp3 Rondo those are players with skills were not talking about rings because we would have to talk about shaq and gasol I never said he wasn’t a great player one the best to do it but your lover is overhyped In plenty facets of his game

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    To say Kobe is only average or below at everything other than scoring is just….ugh

  • Mvp23100

    @Blackphantom
    Yung’uns ice-grillin me ohh you not feelin me
    fine it cost you nothin pay me no mind
    look I’m on my grind cousin ain’t got time for frontin sensitive thugs yall all need hugs

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    …was that little thing you call lyrics supposed to phase me?

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    But in this case it isn’t. If you watch Kobe play you can see he is a great passer, it just doesn’t translate into really high assist numbers. Pau is a great passer, how many does he average in the triangle? Its equal opportunity offense.
    Bron is no where near as skilled as Kobe, come on now. CP3 is the best player in the L, and his stats are phenomenal. Rondo is very skilled, but his jumper is below average.
    What does that have to do with anything? Shaq has 4 rings, which is 1 less than Kobe, Pau has 2 rings, none without Kobe! What is your point? Yep Kobe has been overhyped into 10+ All NBA & All Defense teams, perennial All Star appearances, 2 Finals MVP awards and 1 regular season MVP award. What about those 80 something points in a game? That must just be hype? Or those 60+ points in 3 Q’S against Dallas, that must just be hype?

  • tavoris

    mvp-I’m all for Devil’s Advocate, but u takin it a lil too far. Kobe’s game (skill-wise) has NO weaknesses. I ain’t even a fan of the dude, and I recognize that the totality of his skill set rivals and/or exceeds EVERY player in NBA history.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Quoting Jay-Z, is that something to do with your love for Bron? In case you didn’t know Bron and Jay are ‘tight’ as you might say.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’ll never ever understand the LeBron lovers/Kobe haters or the Kobe lovers/LeBron haters.
    If you can comprehend that one is an immense talent and great player, why can’t you acknowledge the other is as well?
    Is it because your fandom of one is blinding you to the other?
    Sh*t, I’m a huge Derrick Rose fan but you won’t catch me on here going on about how Rondo or Westbrook suck. Cause I know they do their thing too and I ain’t about to hate them for that.
    But with Bron an Kobe, seems like peeps are convinced you can only root for one or the other. And if you root for LeBron, Kobe sucks. And if you root for Kobe, LeBron sucks.
    F*ck that, real recognize real.

  • Mvp23100

    Cp is the what in the league you are out your damn mind Rondo not being able to shoot puts even more emphasis on how skilled he is in other areas Pau is a great passer Just soft as charmin we could run down stats accomplishments and credentials of players all day son is a victim of time and circumstance he’s the dollar store version of mike and at this moment Lebron is better sh*t Wade also and if your an LA fan realistically y’all better pray it’s not an LA MIA finals

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Co-sign Enigmatic. I like LeBron, I think he’s a beast. I think Kobe’s better career-wise, but that doesn’t mean I have to hate LeBron

  • logues

    we all know jtaylor is a lebron fanatic so thats why he is downplaying kobe. as for me, i never got to see big o play so im not gonna try and pretend that i did and that i know what im talking about.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    You know what Enigmatic, I was like that, but one of my friends loves Bron, so we constantly argue about who’s better.
    Also, you never show CP3 any love, and he is the premier PG in the L.

  • Mvp23100

    If your talking about me homie I’m not a 24 hater the boy got game

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Yeah, CP is the best player in the L. I’ve watched all of the All NBA players multiple (10+) times this year, he is the best, but if we are not going to compare across positions, I would take CP3, Kobe, Bron, KG, Dwight as the best at there position. I said Rondo is very skilled, but he has a major major flaw in his game, his jump shot is a lot worse than Kobe’s defense (which is actually good but you won’t admit that).
    So Pau averages 2 something assists, Kobe averages 3 more than that in the same offense, yet Pau is a great passer and Kobe is below average? Explain that to me.
    Yeah, so Kobe’s accomplishments are all ‘circumstance’. Way to write off a whole career of excellence. Bron isn’t better, neither is Wade, and I am not an LAL fan, but if I was I wouldn’t be too worried about MIA/LAL. Bron always has regular season success. So far what has that got him? 0 finals wins.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’m talking bout whoever it applies to, dawg.

  • Mvp23100

    It’s all opinion because as much as I like CP the best in the L no sir and your wrong I’d say kobe plays better D than Rondo shoots and it wouldn’t matter If Pau averages no assist that’s not what they need him for but he will hit the open shooter or cutter in the triangle when it counts when I say the word circumstance I’m not talking accomplishments I’m talking about people throwing that MJ comparison either downplaying or overhyping his game to compete with the greatest he’s a victim of circumstance and this is a different year do you see the cavs right now are you surprised Bron didn’t get a ring with that supporting cast

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sometimes you all make very sad.

  • Scott

    Please elaborate on this. ^^^^^^^^^

  • Anonymous

    People kill me with the “most skilled ever” talk. When someone’s game is aesthetically pleasing its like people are so entranced by how pretty it looks that they don’t want to accept the fact that their favorite player is inefficient. Not all the time but entirely too often to be considered the best/greatest. Cut the ring talk to. Robert Horry has more than Kobe, LeBron, D Wade, Durant, CP3, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Shaq etc. COMBINED. LONG…LIVE…BIG SHOT BOB!

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    I wish Mvp knew how to use punctuations properly.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Ofcourse its opinion, although CP more than has the stats to back it up. Well we agree on that then, but as Kobe has double figure All Defense appearances & Rondo is poor % from deep it should be a given. The Lakers don’t ‘need’ Kobe to get assists, he’s a scorer first, the reason he’s on this list, yet he still gets 5 a game.
    You are right, people do overhype or down play him in accordance with how they feel he shapes up with Mike. As I am in my early (very early) 20′s and didn’t start watching NBA full time until the 2nd of LA’s 3peat years, all I can say is Kobe is by far the best player of my time, 2001 onwards.
    Yeah the Cavs are being found out as pretenders right now, but after they beat the Lakeshow last xmas people were proclaiming them future champs. Sounds pretty familiar.
    Co sign BC, I am getting out of breath reading your comments.

  • http://psp2423@yahoo.com Eboy

    Im Here!!! Me being reasonable now I would say that Kobe is a better player than The Big O. The Big O played in the time when anyone would be able to play ball and you didnt have to be athletic or know the simple fundamentals that we know of basketball today. If Kobe were to play in the 60s era I think he would be able to average a triple double is whole career. But the Big O is a greater play do to his impact in the game. Bottom Line Kobes better but the Big O is greater.

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    If the Big O played in the NBA today, would he be in black & white?
    And if Kobe played in the 60′s, he’d have the best shoes. They would also be unaffordable.

  • monkeyball

    Oscar was a dominating player. The best guard of his time, along with West. But Oscar is overrated, and the reason can be summed up in two words: “triple” and “double.” If he had averaged 30, 9, and 9 for five seasons, instead of 30, 10, and 10, he wouldn’t be in any top-ten greatest players list. Why? Because he didn’t win anything. He won a ring, but he did it as a second fiddle, like Clyde Drexler and David Robinson, and Kobe in 00, 01, and 02. Oscar is an all-time great, a “pantheon” guy, like Bill Simmons says, but not top 10. and Kobe is top 10, on individual accomplishments and team success. I’ll still take either MJ (Mike or Magic) over Kobe, even if he retires with 9 rings.

  • Anonymous

    The fact that Russell has 11 and MJ has six and few people mention them as equals should be enough to prove to people that no matter how much you looooove Kobe HE WILL NEVER BE CONSIDERED ON MICHAEL JORDANS LEVEL. EVER.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Co-sign Monkeyball, other than the fact you think Big O doesn’t belong in the top 10

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I do not think that is the real Eboy.

  • Anonymous

    No matter how many rings he finishes with. And anyone who says he’s by far the best of this generation Shaq and Timmy would like a word with you. Most aesthetically pleasing game? Maybe. Most accomplished? Yes even though he does not deserve more all league defensive honors than Pippen. Best right now? Phuck no. Fin…

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    me neither, bryan

  • JTaylor21

    Don’t you just love how Kobe fans are always crying about him getting no respect then they turnaround and disrespect what the Big O accomplished. Some fool had the nerve to say that he wouldn’t even last a season in today’s NBA. Let me guess the same way Wilt would just be “another” center today, the same way JWest would get shredded today and the same morons probabaly think that Russell would be “lucky” to make a d-league team. Talk about disrespecting past greats just to big up their man. Also if people think that KB having more rings than the Big O makes him the better player, well in that case; John Havlicek is better than him and so is Sam Jones.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Oscar would be a good player, not an all timer.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    None of you were alive when oscar played. Furthermore you all have no idea how skilled and tenacious he was. He DOMINATED cats like Jerry West and with toe to toe with all of the all time greats and was considered. The best individual player. None of you realize there were only eight teams total in the league and oscar’s was not in the top echelon of talent. He didn’t barely get ten assists. By today’s standards he would have averaged lime 15+. Did you know you only got an assist if the.man immediately shot with no dribbles or other moves. Think about how many current assists would be disallowed under rose rules. And docking oscar for only getting one.ring.as kareem’s sidekick means.admitting that Kobe only has two real rings and.one of rose came against a weak orlando team.
    Y’all need to actually read up on oscar and his impact.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    hey don’t get on me, I said Oscar was a more complete player than Kobe

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    What the he’ll is this “oscar would be good not great deal”?
    H
    What is that based on? Would he not have the benefit of better training, weaker competition better equipment and a rich history of innovation to pattern his game after? Or are we saying he has to be the exact player he was in his era while Kobe gets the extra advantage of watching what all those greats did and improving on it?
    The lack of critical thinking here is staggering.

  • JTaylor21

    Oscar would be a good player not an all-time great, WHAT? Well in that case; Kobe would be a good player not an all-time great if he had played in the 60s. See how dumb a statement like that sounds.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Either AllenP is typing on his iPhone again (as am I) or Scooby Doo is commenting as him (“rose rules”)

  • Jackie Moon

    Does someone have a time machine so we can settle this once and for all?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Droid. Lol

  • http://NBA.com EJ

    One thing you gotta consider when you talk about Big O playing today, is that back in the 60s he didn’t have many idols he could’ve learned the game from. Today the fundamentals and everything are much more advanced. New stuff has been invented, and Oscar didn’t have that in the 60s. So if he found a time machine, and came to play here today with his 60s skills, he wouldn’t be THAT good, but if he was born at the same time as Kobe, he would’ve had MJ and Magic and others to look up to.
    So players back then didn’t have the same chance to fulfil their potential as they do today.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Looks like allen and someone else made my point for me.

  • http://gmail.com z

    Allenp for president

  • http://gmail.com z

    Allenp your patience in dealing with guys who let their personal biases cloud analysis of players&the game is admirable. I can honestly cosign basically everything you’ve written since your pieces on centers of the 90s and ai. So as a fan of the game to another I’m very curious about your opinion on wilt and how he would do in the modern game which is more star friendly than the bush league he played in (IMO)

  • 3John3

    Well I think he is a good player and all but Kobe I can’t stand. Yea, i know he is climin his way up, but Lakers is just not my team. i don’t lie his attiude is basicly a cry baby, what i mean like when they played the Bucks he thought he got the foul but he didn’t. Then he helled at the ref, then had to leave the game but good job!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Defintley wasn’t me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Allenp won this thread, and to Jackie Moon, I agree. Where’s Doc Brown when you need him??

  • LBCaliKush

    Fukkkk all yall niggggassss!!!!!

  • nyemah2k

    I will take the Big O Over Kobe if i had to choose. look at Kevin love how he dominates the boards w/ not being very athletic. Oscar could still average a triple double if he work hard at it in this NBA era. you forgot Lebron crazy numbers in 2009- 29.7ppg, 7.3rpg, 8.6apg.some people say if Oscar was playing in today NBA he wouldn’t be as skill. why? he would have the same advantage as everyone. if Kobe played back then he would conform to the norms of his era. he wouldn’t be as skilled as he is right now.remember too it was more physical back then. I’ll take the Big O and I think Kobe would too since he copies and studies his moves

  • datkid

    cosign allenp I personally think the big O could be just as good as kobe if he grew up today. Especially because back then they didn’t credit assists like they do today,he would’ve had the benefit of modern training not to mention we have a 3 point line now… I just feel like he’d be ridiculous today. but that’s me though. And honestly I’m far too young to have seen Oscar play so Idk for sure.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Z
    I never saw him play except vrainy highlights a short snippets of games but dude was massive, agile skilled and intelligent. He would have likely ben as good if not better than shaq since there was no defendeor on russell’s level or team on bostons level. Dude was initially about 270 a high jump champ soft touch, counters and jumpers. He understood the nuances of scoring and had all his.physical gifts. People always say he played against midgets but agile, athletic 7-footers have alwAys been a rarity. He would have dominated in any era but not 50 and 25 dominated. A wild guess is like 30 and 12 with 4 or 5 assists.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Bushleague, z? Why..?

  • JTaylor21

    Looks like LeBron is finally embracing the bad guy role and had on his Darth Vader suit tonight. Dude hit a deep three in ot and started taunting the Por crowd. Away crowds need to keep on booing him because no one plays better when the crowd gets hostile.

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    This conversation is about Wilt? Again? Can’t we debate how well Kobe would do playing on the moon, or some other relevant and important conversation?

  • http://gmail z

    Well Teddy I realize that might sound presumptuous of me but the league didn’t favor stars back then like it does now. As a rook wilt actually got a tooth dislodged in his mouth so bad that it MAY have played a role in his death 40 years later! And the (white) player who did that 2 him went unpunished! That brings me 2 my other point: the league was populated with racists back then and with the best players bein black…and no superstar protection…you figure it out.and needless to say, cosign allenp those are the exact stats I estimated him getting 2days game! Seriously I feel smarter knowing that you and I think along the same lines so much basketball wise. Jw: do you read nietzche?

  • DR. NICK

    HIII EVEERYBODDY!!!!!!!!

  • http://gmail z

    Sorry ugh. I’m a huge Kobe fan but I just watched bron in Por and I gotta put in my 2 cents: lbj is Bettre @ this point. But regular season only! He’s gotta prove it with a ring b4 I say it hands down. And as 4 Kobe vs Oscar? Gotta go with Kobe on this. Never got to see O play but Kobes bigger which is sumthin O never had 2 deal with in a guard. But o did have tremendous numbers. Don’t discount that

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    Wait, Z is a huge kobe fan??? How long was I away from these boards?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Wow, I totally misunderstood what you meant when you said bushleague. Sorry Z, I thought you were saying something else, like the league being worse back then or something like that–I totally misread what you were saying. Good point.
    Although, I prefer the lack of superstar treatment. Not to THAT extent though, lol…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Krishan: That’s a different “Z” you’re thinking of (specifically, uppercase Z), who now posts as T-Money, I think. Lowercase z is a different person (if I’m not mistaken).

  • DR. NICK

    KOBE LITTLE PINKY STILL HURT! UGH OOOOHHHH!!!!

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    @AllBall247: Sorry it took me so long to respond. But my response is going to be similar to Allenp’s.
    If you abduct Big O from his time zone and put him in here, I say he still competes. He was fast, his shot was top 10% in the league TODAY, he had a post-up game (not strength, legit post moves) in an era with no D3 and was 6’5 so he could ABUSE smaller guards today. As allenp mentioned, he was getting 11-12 assists in an era where taking a step meant losing an assist, so god knows how many assist he’d get today (probably 13-14 a game, Rondo style. I think a website took the difference percentage wise between handing out assists then and now and gave like, 15-16 assists, but I guess pace too was also faster back then).
    So I think if you took him out of his timeline and put him here, he’d be able to compete at an all-star level every night.
    Give him the same innovation and training and advantages that Kobe had? We’re talking immense all time great.
    And I feel even STRONGER about that for Chamberlain (who, by all accounts, was one of the most athletic players to EVER play in the L, even back then).
    I’m not docking too much on Kobe now. I said I’d probably have Kobe a SPOT behind Big O. -A SPOT-
    And why is someone talking about Kobe and Oscar going one-on-one? Oscar was a point, he would not have guard Kobe and Kobe would not guard him.

  • 3John3

    yall suck balls

  • freddie freeloader

    If the league is so much easier in the 60s than it is today, how come Kobe just matched scoring numbers of his counterpart from that era? Same amount of time, and Kobe has ALWAYS been on better teams, except for the end of Oscar’s career when he had KAJ.

    Answer: the league has changed, but it isn’t any better.

  • joe moma

    the only reason kobe has passed big o is he came out of high school to the pros oscar had 4 years in college where each year he avg over 30 points kobe was not better at all

  • joe moma

    see the problem is these videos with him with the bcks dont do justice for him teens think he was fat and slow no ture he was fast and a beast

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