Monday, January 10th, 2011 at 7:40 am  |  70 responses

Perception vs. Reality

The way fans see NBA stars doesn’t always align with who they really are as players.

by Allen Powell II

Perception is often mistaken for reality.

LeBron fans will tell you that never has a player done so much with so little. LeBron detractors will tell you that never has a player been so loved for winning the genetic Powerball.

Kobe’s fanboys swear that Jellybean’s son isn’t just the closest modern player to Michael Jordan, he’s actually surpassed Jordan, and it’s those Jumpman-tinted glasses preventing people from admitting reality. Kobe’s haters will argue that he’s only a jumper-shooting, frequently chucking, Jordan-clone, and while he can hoop a little bit, he’s still lamer than Greg Oden’s knees.

Perception drives how fans watch games and interact with players, and ultimately determines which players roll with HYDRA, and who gets an invite to join The Avengers.

Unfortunately, players often are forced into roles and given personas that don’t jibe with reality. Players anointed as “good guys” have their flaws glossed over, while those given a black hat see every failure magnified. Here are five players who need their public profiles tweaked.

1. Kevin Love

Kevin Love is the NBA’s version of In and Out. Beneath the man crushes and non-stop fawning there is a simple truth: Fast food is fast food, and defense-averse power forwards are defense-averse power forwards.

Clearly, there is a lot to love about Love. Opposing players wonder if he has a magical knack for rebounding, even as they marvel at his effort and positioning. An excellent shooter, passer and thinker, Love is a rising star.

But, Minnesota’s rebounding machine also isn’t afraid to sacrifice a few defensive rotations to clean the glass. Despite his physical limitations, Love’s failure to play better individual or team defense is inexcusable. He’s too intelligent and too fundamentally sound to make many of the mistakes he makes.

It appears Love understands that “playing the right way” doesn’t guarantee a max contract, but putting up 20 and 15 with an All-Star berth does. (Hello Carlos Boozer and Zach Randolph.) Plus, dishing out great quotes as if they were pinpoint outlet passes can provide a cover when you rip your team’s bumbling general manager and newbie coach on Twitter.

Every player should look out for his financial future first, but typically that practice is derided by fans and the mainstream media. It seems Love has perfected “hustling” in every sense of the word.

Ron Artest 2. Ron Artest

Ron Artest can’t win because he’s always fighting “Ron Artest!”

That’s not an allusion to Artest’s well-documented mental health battles, or some sort of joke about the Malice in the Palace. Nope, it’s an acknowledgment that there is a Ron Artest that exists in real life, and there is a Ron Artest that exists in the minds of basketball fans. Often it’s not the same person.

Last year, Ron Artest gave the League the blueprint for squashing the Durantula by using physical defense and pesky hands to make the NBA’s trendiest superstar look positively mundane.

In the NBA Finals, he locked up Paul Pierce exactly when the Boston Celtics were trying to ride Pierce to victory in Game Seven, all while carrying the Lakers offensively.

Yet, this year Lakers fanatics have denigrated Artest’s game and openly pined for Trevor Ariza. Word surfaced recently that Artest finally suggested Phil Jackson try coaching instead of psychoanalysis by proxy, and in response Los Angeles Times columnist Bill Plaschke wrote that the real Ron Artest had finally arrived.

It seems like Ron Artest is only being “real” in some people’s eyes when his behavior validates their preconceived notions of who he is. The common perception is that Artest is a rapidly declining powder keg of drama that is poised to ruin the Lakers’ three-peat. It’s not about assessing the man and player Artest has become, it’s about waiting for him to revert back to the previously established “norm.”

3. Brandon Roy

Before his knee problems worsened many fans and pundits deemed Brandon Roy’s ascension into the rarified air of the NBA’s elite a foregone conclusion. Thanks to a shifty dribble, smooth stroke and pinpoint passing some people even mentioned him in the same breath as Kobe and Wade. Hell, quite a few people liked him better than those two because he seemed like such an affable guy.

But, what many people haven’t noticed is that Roy has a selfish streak and unwillingness to transform his game. His penchant for ball domination stunted LaMarcus Aldridge’s development for years, and turned his team into a pale reflection of the 2001 Sixers or, more aptly, the Atlanta Hawks West.

Last year, Roy whined and pouted about the team’s acquisition of Andre Miller, and even pushed for a clearly inferior Steve Blake to start so he wouldn’t have to change his playing style.

Recently, he complained that the reason he’s looked so slow while dragging his bum leg was because Miller is slow and that makes it harder for him to play!

Roy needs to wake up and recognize who he is as a player, and understand that just because a style of play gives him pretty stats and All-Star berths doesn’t mean it’s actually best for his team. In fact, everybody in Portland needs a wake-up call.

4. Joe Johnson

Joe Johnson follows Brandon Roy on this list for a reason. The two players have similar skills and ceilings, but have vastly different reputations among the public. While Roy is lamented as a potential all-time great sadly lost to injury, Johnson is derided as an overpaid ball-hog who shrinks against elite competition.

While it’s true that Johnson is overpaid, whose fault is that? (What the hell was Atlanta thinking? Was Otis Smith a consultant on that deal?) As Namond Brice once said “I’ll take any n*gga’s money if he just giving it away.”

Johnson is deceptively quick, deadly from anywhere on the court, has a nasty handle and a solid post game. Plus, he can be a cog, or a main piece in almost any offense. Most people forget that he averaged nearly 18 points a game for two years as a third or fourth option in Phoenix before making the move to Atlanta to try his hand at being the The Man.

Honestly, it seems like Johnson is still being punished for that decision. When Johnson complained a few years ago that he needed some veteran help, it wasn’t painted as being a leader; it was celebrated as Johnson getting his comeuppance. Many believed the hubris displayed in his decision to leave the Elysian Fields of Phoenix was being rewarded with a Sisyphus-like existence with the Hawks.

His Playoff “failures” while being miscast in the role of “Iso-Joe” have only hardened opinions. People are so set on complaining about what Joe Johnson’s not, they can’t appreciate what he has become.

Steve Nash 5. Steve Nash

After that last line about Joe Johnson, some folks may be shocked that Nash was included on this list. Considering Nash’s offensive artistry and self-effacing demeanor, why would anyone want to talk about his failures instead of his successes?

Haters gotta hate…

Actually, it’s not about hate. Nash is an amazing shooter and passer with underappreciated clutchness. Anyone rooting against the Suns in the Playoffs these past seven years had a gut full of worry every time Nash laced his sneakers up.

But, besides Kobe and LeBron there is not a bigger lightning rod in the NBA than Steve Nash. His name sparks legions of fans to fall down in worship, and also causes a smaller, but very determined group, to hurl insults and hatred at his feet. He is hailed as either the man who made basketball fun again, or the perfect example The Great White Hope.

Nash is both.

It’s true, Steve Nash and the Phoenix Suns made basketball fun again for millions of fans. With his deft passing, ridiculously efficient shooting and “mainstream appearance,” (that’s a euphemism for being fairly short and white) Nash was the sort of basketball player that many fans and media members dreamed of embracing. For certain people, his ability to not just compete, but dominate in the NBA made them feel better about the League as a whole.

Yet, for many others, particularly those folks tired of hearing about smart white players and naturally gifted black players, the praise for Nash seemed to require underestimating his teammates and ignoring his deficiencies. It wasn’t that people hated Nash; it was the hype around his game that pissed them off. It only got worse when that hype resulted in two questionable MVPs. Moreover, for some people the ludicrous claims that race had nothing to do with a gloried popularity contest staged by the American media rang hollower than a Nicky Minaj verse.

Nash has been trivialized and lionized to the point where it’s almost impossible to get a true understanding of his impact and legacy in the game. Maybe in a decade or two, historians will be able to truly measure what he meant to the NBA, but not right now.

Perception won’t allow it.

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  • Yusuf

    Best article I’ve read all year, if not ever.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Great write-up, Allen. I mean a GREAT one. I didn’t think Nash deserved TWO MVP awards though. Not because of his race, because of his defense(or lack thereof). I still love him as a player

  • Bryan

    Nice article bruh, your BRoy and KLove sections were on point.
    BTW i believe it was Clay “Sheeeeit” Davis who had that quote on The Wire

  • will

    Brilliant

  • Anon

    Great writing. I have a question though. Aren’t you proving your own premise here, since it can be argued that you simply presented your own perceptions of these players?

    Also, how can your premise apply to the long-retired NBA players? Doesn’t time do more to blur the lines between reality and perception to the point that we no longer know what is truly real about the player? I have in mind players like Wilt Chamberlain, Charles Barkley, even Julius Erving.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    1. Kevin Love doesn’t do anything that Dennis Rodman doesn’t do when looking at rebounds
    2. Ron Artest’s ‘crazy’ self is the norm because it is what we are used to and have seen for a decade. You know, when you visually observe something for ten years, generally the two years of good behavior seem like an outlier. Especially when he starts barking at the coach and jacking up insane shots again.
    3. Roy’s “selfish” play has gotten the Blazer’s farther than when he’s letting Miller and Aldridge run the show. Perhaps it’s not his ‘selfishness,’ but perhaps it is that he prefers a faster, more motion type offense instead of the in-out offense that Portland plays when he’s not there? Perhaps he’s not REALLY a selfish player, but a player whose mold doesn’t fit the team. It’s clear a trade needs to happen, although I don’t really have any suggestions. But I really don’t think it’s Brandon Roy’s selfishness that hurts Aldridge. I mean, would you prefer LA to play HIS style while Roy suffers? That’s your question.
    4. Joe Johnson is hated because he is overpaid. It doesn’t matter if it is his fault. If you work with a coworker who gets paid three times as much as you and really isn’t that much better than you, you are going to hate him. Most people in the office are going to hate him. Hell, if a competitor hires your coworker and gives him 3x as much as you and wont hire you for anything more than beans, yer hating him even more. This is the way of things. Yes, it’s not his fault that he is overpaid. Yes, if he can’t perform up to the money he accepted, people gonna hate, and it’s perfectly normal. Money sets expectations, and he’s not living up to them. Also, I totally disagree with your point about Phoenix. NO ONE thinks it was a bad idea for him to leave Phoenix, I have heard one or two writers at the MOST suggest that. What people find strange is that he went for the team to be the MAN then has complained about being the man several times. It’s not about leaving Phoenix, it’s about leaving and not going to find another team where he could be a second banana while still getting paid what he wanted.
    5. You’re on ball with Nash. Nothing I disagree with what-so-ever. Well, you downplayed all the peeps that hate on him, but yeah, you’re right on the money. That one was the most agreeable by a longshot.

  • Jay

    People hate on Joe Johnson because he gets paid to be the man but he disappears in big situations and he isn’t capable of putting the team on his back. That’s not perception, it’s reality. Yes, he’s talented, but he underachieves given his potential and the amount of money he’s being paid. Also, it doesn’t seem like winning is THAT important to him.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan, they both had that quote.
    Clay said it to the mayor.
    Namond said it after Marlo handed out $200 to all the corner boys and Michael refused to take the cash.
    Remember?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Anon
    You’re right about retired players for sure. Nostalgia and the difficulty assessing talent over generations causes lots of problems.
    As for the perception issue, I agree that these are just my assessments, but I’m not arguing that the counterpoints I presented wholely define these players. I’m saying that the information I presented should be considered along with the other information that tends to get the most consideration.
    I think the media does fans a disservice when it tries to force players into convenient boxes, and I think fans do themselves a disservice when they fail to think critically about what they are being presented.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Joe Johnson dominated Boston at times during their 2008 championship run. In fact, he played better than both Kobe and Lebron against the Celtics defense, and took more games from the team than Kobe.
    Now, against Orlando, he’s looked bad. But against every other team but Orlando, he’s looked fine.
    Maybe, just maybe, Orlando’s team provides issues for the way he likes to score, and their offense provides big problems for what the Hawks do on defense.
    Look at his playoff performances against every team not named Orlando and see if he “always” comes up small.
    Jukai
    Joe JOhnson was lambasted for passing up the chance to play on a regular contender with a great point guard to go play for a bottom feeder in the East. Very few people understood his need to be “the man.” They thought it was another example of the selfishness of today’s athletes. When Johnson got there, and realized how difficult the job was, he demanded help. No different than most players asked to be “The Man.”
    But, instead of this being seen as a normal request, it was seen as a whining and crying and proof that he should have stayed in Phoenix and been a sidekick.
    But, if you don’t remember these events, it makes no sense to discuss the issue with you. We have to very different memories about what happened on several issues, to the point where a reasonable discussion is impossible. If we disagree on reality, we can’t argue about nuances.
    And I don’t get jealous of people making more money than me, even if I don’t think they are better than me at what they do. That’s lame nigg@ behavior. I do me, and expect God to do the rest.
    If Kevin Love played individual defense like Dennis Rodman we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But since he doesn’t, I said he as much. Notice I said his invidiual and team defense is poor, not just one.

  • DR. NICK

    HIIII EVEERYBODDY!!!!!! ‘I AINT IN TO THAT OWING NI##AS SH!T’….!!!!!!!

  • Lan

    I like mainstream appearance.

  • Cedric

    Good stuff. Nice “The Wire” reference.

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    Good Read

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I hated this.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I loved this.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m trying to drive the comment count right now, per Allen’s request.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I still perceive Kevin Love as a fat white boy who can’t jump and makes great outlet passes.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Ron Artest is an older, slower, less talented Trevor Ariza. At least, that’s my perception.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I like Brandon Roy. I don’t like him enough to perceive him as a top three 2 guard in the league.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Joe Johnson is horrible. This is not perception, this is reality. I would take Brandon Roy over this overpaid fool.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I think I’d perceive Steve Nash differently if he was cut free by the Suns and wound up with the Heat to finish his career.

  • http://gmail z

    allenp i haven’t read the article yet but i know im gnna enjoy this. all five of these guys are great examples of what you’re talking about and man does it get under my skin the way that perceptions (often preconceived, at that) shape opinions of BASKETBALL. also, i wish you woulda added allen iverson to this list–is there a better example than him?

  • LA Huey

    Good article. I love Nashty but his portion was very much on point.

  • http://gmail z

    It wasn’t that people hated Nash; it was the hype around his game that pissed them off.—-Perfect, PERFECT articulation of what my problem with nashty has been from day one! Great player no doubt, but overrated by a media desperate for “great” white players. and on the topic of hype turning me off particular players, that’s a great expample of what it is about lebron that i don’t like: he always got more hype than he had earned imo. and some people were so invested in not being wrong about the hype that they showered on bron that they’re willing to gloss over any and all deficiencies on his part, and defend him fanatically against all criticism, valid or not (think jtaylor and philosopher here). and some kobe fans like myself are also guilty of it. but at least kobe’s been around long enough to prove that there’s substance to the hype

  • http://gmail z

    Great writeup altogether, allenp. Once again, ya’ll: allenp for president of slam commenting!

  • http://Mrjones21901@aol.com Run’n'Gun219

    great writ up allen you nailed it on the head with all 3 of these players. And Jukai you are a clown my man. Wh hate on a plyaer for getting paid? Management gave him that contract. what was he suppose to say” no thanks im cool, i dont want to make that much that much money.” hating on a co-worker or anybody for that matter for making more money is bit@h sh1t…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think LeBron has received more love before the Decision, but since then thinks have changed completely. Kobe has received equal parts love and hate, with love being more dominant pre-Eagle and hate being more dominant post-Eagle.
    Iverson doesn’t play in the NBA anymore, so I didn’t include him.
    I hate calling nash overrated because it’s become such a derogatory comment and it’s guaranteed to spark an argument instead of a discussion. I would “overvalued” and “undercriticized.”

  • Michael

    Nice, real nice article Allen..

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    Allenp: I guess I’m a lame nigg@. So are 95% of the world. Anyone who claims they don’t hate on someone who is overpaid simply hasn’t realized they do it yet. A government official they consider wasting taxpayer money. An employee who thinks he is hot sh*t cause of the money he gets. A basketball player taking 119 million when he’s voiced his displeasure being the leader. It’s just human nature, bro.
    Also, I really think you blur the lines between media and blogging idiot fans. Really, most people in the media got the Joe Johnson situation. It was idiot fans who thought Joe was an idiot for leaving Phoenix. Likewise, it’s the media (which includes Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, and Kevin Johnson) who hold Nash in such high esteem. It’s idiot fans who hate on him daily.
    I tried finding any type of article suggesting Johnson was an idiot for leaving Phoenix, and I really couldn’t find anything. I know it’s been so long a lot of them don’t exist anymore, but the gist was, he wasn’t getting paid, he should go elsewhere.
    People just got pissed when he demanded help, then demanded veteran leadership so he didn’t have to lead the team, then doubled his pay. It’s not really his performance that bothers people, it’s his lack of leadership that bothers people. He’s being PAID to be the leader but he doesn’t want to. Who cares who paid him, his pay sets a standard. I think you understand this, you just have some massive moral issue with hating on someone who gets paid by someone else. It still sets an expectation though.
    And as I wrote about Love: ‘Kevin Love doesn’t do anything that Dennis Rodman doesn’t do when looking at rebounds.’
    Rodman was the pinnacle of isolation defense. He would take someone one on one and lock them down.
    He was a subpar help defender. He’d often not switch on defense or block a cutter just so he could get proper rebound position. People are SHOCKED when they see Kevin Love do that, but Rodman did it all the time. I think Love is getting too much slack for that. Maybe if he could shut guys DOWN like Rodman, people would forget it and pretend it doesn’t happen. Or maybe it’s because Rodman had a more ‘mainstream rebounding’ appearance. I’m not sure.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    I was sort of hoping you’d look at the Roy thing more than anything else, though.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    YOu said getting mad at someone because they make more money than you do and you don’t think they deserve what they are gettting.
    What does that have to do with wasting taxpayer money?
    Like I said, Love should be better invidually and as a team defender. But, if he only picks one, that’s an improvement. People can understand if a big man doesn’t always show on shooters, but it looks bad when you also don’t blocks shots and can’t stop anyone on the block.
    Roy hasn’t complained about the team’s pace. He’s complained about not having the ball in his hand, and he’s complained specifically about Miller. He liked Blake because all Blake did was spot up for open threes after passing him the ball. I”ve seen him say that Kobe and LeBron have the ball in their hands and that’s how they take advantage of their talents. Clearly, he has certain personal goals he wants to attain. My point is that people seem to be ignoring this aspect of who he is, and the impact it has had on that team. I actually don’t think Roy could play the point because he’s not a point. He’s a ball dominant two guard who prefers to operate off the bounce. That’s the biggest problem.
    There is no reason he shouldn’t have been ecstatic to get the easy shots Andre Miller always provides.
    No sense is us arguing about Joe Johnson. And I’m not talking about “idiot fans.” Although the opinons of idiot fans are important, the media often shapes those opinions. People typically believe what they are told to believe. That’s why they say journalists write history’s first draft.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    wow, this was a great op-ed article. Kudos to you for raising the questions that need to be raised.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    This was a very good read and interesting stuff. I have always thought of these kinds of things. Preconceived notions about certain players created by the media are so unfair to them.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    @Allenp: Okay, I was giving a general example of where someone would be angry that someone is making a lot of money. I’m trying to prove that it’s human NATURE for people to get mad when they see someone earning money that they don’t deserve, and there is a thousand reasons for that anger. The bottom line, it’s not THEIR fault for making that money, someone gave it to them… but people will always be angry, and their concerns wont always be valid.
    Rodman never really blocked many shots. At all. He played over 40 minutes and didn’t register over a block a game. He REALLY steered clear from the whole help defense thing, unless Phil instructed him to double team or come off the weakside for a player. But I guess you think it’s forgivable because he was such a great defender.
    Obviously Kevin Love needs to become a better defender. If he’s going to make all these shortcuts, he better man-up and start locking people down. But I don’t think people should knock Kevin Love for his rebounding when Rodman got a pass for using all the same shortcus. Just bash Love for his lack of isolation defense.
    Brandon Roy has complained about pace. Yes, he’s also complained about not having the ball in his hands enough, but it’s not like Brandon Roy likes to overdribble and run down the clock, his offense is usually pretty quick. He just doesn’t pass it down and spread the floor, he likes to drive and kick out and tends to ignore his bigmen. The Andre Miller thing is odd, but Andre DOES love to control the ball and stall the offense. I mean, when LA was killing it, what did McMillin do? He took out Miller and put in Patty Mills.
    He really should find a way to work with Miller, who is an underrated player and a definitely help to the Blazers.
    Although, once again, with Roy and Blake, the blazers went the farthest they have ever gotten in the playoffs. I know, I know, massive massive injuries in the following years, but I tried to use that excuse with you when talking about the Suns and you brushed it off and told me it didn’t matter sooooo…..
    And the media doesn’t shape fans, Allen. This is what I think is an inherent problem when we debate. The media, with their constant “Allen Iverson is SUCH a tough guy, what heart, what character, he ALWAYS TRIES” bs made me hate Iverson. The media’s “Nash makes everyone a better player, he is how basketball should be played, he ALWAYS TRIES” bs made you hate Nash. People react negatively to the media and will react AGAINST it. It’s normal.

  • JTaylor21

    I love calling Nash overrated, overvalued” and “undercriticized”. Anything that has to do with someone not being as good as everyone claims that’s SNash in the flesh. I mean don’t get me wrong, he’s a great offensive player but damn when did playing no defense at all equate into being a 2-time MVP and the best PG since Stockton? I mean if we critize players like KLove and Amare for not playing D why does it seem like SNash is immune from such criticism. There’s nothing that anyone can say to prove to me that he deserved those mvp awards and all the adulation and love he recieves from the media and fans alike.

  • http://slamonline.com rudy

    I agree with most of the points, but i don’t think Nash is overrated. I think he underachieves. There are games where he will shoot 100% but he’ll end up passing up shots just to preserve his percentage. He has the skill to do more but he doesn’t. The defense IS sorely lacking, but what player doesn’t have his weaknesses?

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    The Roy bit was on point and needed to be said.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    saying the media doesn’t affect fans because the media doesn’t affect you just isn’t good logic jukai.
    I’m sorry, it just isn’t.
    From my experience, and the books I’ve read and studied about the issue, the media has a MASSIVE role in shaping public opinion. And since this is my business, and I have two degrees that involved classes in media theory, I feel comfortable in making that statement. You can believe it or disbelieve it, it’s up to you.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    The media affects casual fans a lot, not so much the die hards.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    Bryan: he has TWO DEGREES in this, he knows bro, don’t bother.
    Yeah, have fun with this Allen, keep fighting the good fight.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Jukai lookn dumb at 743

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    Tarzan: Sorry, I didn’t mean to try and jack your style. Christ, no wonder TADOne and Izzo stopped coming here.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    But for real, how can you NOT love someone telling you because they have a journalism degree, THEY know that those same people with the same journalism degrees are really misleading people and THEY aren’t doing the misleading, they know from that same degree as the people doing the misleading.
    Of COURSE the media has a massive role of shaping public opinion, but that means nothing cause there’s always those who want to get in an angle who have the opposite opinion and believe THEY are right and start misleading people in the opposite direction. It’s not some big f*cking like-minded conspiracy, and a journalism degree doesn’t suddenly make you a genius on the subject. It’s called common sense.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You just said the media doesn’t shape fans. Did you not write that? If I don’t mention my degrees then you say how the hell do I know what i am talking about. If I do I am.showing off. It is freaking crazy. I said the media shapes fan opinion. First you said it doesn’t then you say it does. Honestly I don’t care anymore. Believe what you like. I provided my rationale and referenced how I developed it. I can’t do anymore.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Me saying journalists mislead people is like a politician saying other politicians are crooked or a banker sayingother bankers break rules. It is true so I.said it. I work with.journalists. they are regular people with rwglar biases and those biases affect their work. I am sure.mine affect my work at times.
    Let us be clear. I am NEVER trying to stunt on this board. Why would I? It is just the internet. But if you wont take my word then I try to provide reasons why you should. I have quoted stats, studies and books on here. People can do what they want.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    The media shapes public opinion.
    The media doesn’t shape “fans”
    Should I speak in another language?
    I don’t even know why you added that last part “I use stats, studies, and books.” What does that even mean? Are you justifying your article? You didn’t cite anything in your article. Are you justifying your debates on the comment section? Everyone uses a debate technique they like. Kap uses straight stats. NBK uses obscure, aggravating mathematically insane statistics. Me personally? I prefer indepth breakdowns and old quotes from other players who play ball.
    For someone who isn’t “stunting” you sure do bring it up a lot. I never insinuated you were throwing around your journalism degree, but I’ve seen you defend against doing it constantly. Relax, I don’t care you write for SLAM, I know you’re not gloating. You’ve had the whole “what I say is common sense” attitude long before ever writing for SLAM.

  • nope

    Let me get this straight, you are saying a six foot tall, thirty six year old point guard has difficulty playing defense against six and a half foot tall, twenty somethings?

    It is not like Nash won the genetic powerball. Can you rationally expect him to defend well?

    Ask Amere or Dirk if he is literally makes those around him better. Ask Grant or ask Johnson. He is hardly over rated, but you cannot expect him to be perfect.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t write for slam. I contribute occasionally on the website. There is a massive difference.
    And at 6:10. I said the media shapes opnions.
    YOU then said they don’t shape fans.
    If.you agree that the media shape opinions why did you even feel.the need.to.say they DON’T shape fans?
    I didn’t say that. I said opinions.
    Apparently you agree wit me except you don’t. Read your comments and my comments and watch yourself.tell me that my contention that the media shapes fans is wrong but that he media does shape opinions. Except I never said.the.media shapes fans I said it shapes opinions. You have been insulting because you created and argument and then argued against it. Read what you wrote and what I wrote.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    I was responding to Tarzan, I thought Tarzan was inferring something differently, so I can see where you could be confused.
    It’s also much easier to debate something when you ignore 95% of what I write (the Roy stuff, the artest stuff, most of the Love stuff) and focus on what you find is the easiest to poke holes in. Maybe you should quit this “contributing” and go into politics.
    Anyway, I’ll try and use simple words.
    The media shapes the ‘general populace.’ Perhaps using the term ‘public opinion’ was wrong. The media will shape the general populace. If I’m not a fan of Steve Nash but I see the media talking about him, I’m gonna think “well I guess this guy is good.” I also added that if I’m not a fan of Nash but I see someone write “God, dude can’t play D for squat, it’s like he’s 36 or something, people ONLY think he’s great because he’s white!” then I may believe that too, but that’s digression.
    If I’m a FAN, it doesn’t matter what the media writes or says. Because media doesn’t shape the opinion of fans. People become a fan and then they shape their own opinion of a player.
    I guess my point is, the media NEVER shaped my opinion of Nash. I was a huge Phoenix fan, he came over, I liked him in Dallas and figured he’d be a good second option to STAT, and Nash took over and absolutely wrecked the league for three years straight. I saw it with my own eyes. I didn’t need these ‘short, white reporters’ (read: magic johnson?) telling me that Nash was good. Nor does any other Nash fan out there who was enamored by him.
    Or maybe I’m just a sheep of the media. Who knows.

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