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Monday, January 31st, 2011 at 8:43 am  |  149 responses

Post Up: All Together Now

Celtics down Lakers; Heat defeat Thunder.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Miami 108, Oklahoma City 103

A busy, busy day of hoops tipped in OKC, with the visiting Heat taking down the Thunder in a close one. These two battled down to the final minutes, and both groups were trading clutch buckets and in need of clutch stops till the final buzzer. But when LeBron James passed up a three—cue Internet riot—and found a wide open Eddie House, who drained the trey, it gave Miami a lead they wouldn’t let go. Kevin Durant put the Thunder on his back, scoring 33, while Jeff Green and Russell Westbrook combined for 44. The Thunder had their chances, though, and their inability to get key stops down the stretch and get an opportunity to go up by more than a point or two made all the difference. For Miami, Dwyane Wade was great, putting up 32, while Bron scored 23 and dished 13. After the contest, Durant called Chris Bosh one of the “fake tough guys” (#noshots??), so make of that what you’d like. The next time these two face off, things might get even more interesting—though if these 48 minutes of basketball didn’t bring you satisfaction, I don’t really know what to tell you.

Boston 109, L.A. Lakers 96

A lot of people were pretty excited for this. Kevin Garnett even wore some special sneakers. Unfortunately, the non-Kobe Bryant members of the Lakers didn’t seem to care too much, and they kinda just left their leader hanging. Kobe dropped 41, but it wasn’t enough, as the other LA starters and the bench brought zero firepower, and the deeper and more well-rounded Celts took advantage. Paul Pierce scored 32, Kevin Garnett (who was cut up and required five mid-game head stitches) went for 18 and 13, and Ray Allen added 21 in the victory. The C’s just wouldn’t miss, shooting 60.3 percent (!) from the floor in the victory. Afterwards, Phil Jackson acknowledged that his team isn’t where it needs to be yet, but said he thinks it will be by the time the Playoffs get going. And you know what? I believe him.

Orlando 103, Cleveland 87

Twenty. An important number for both teams. For the Magic: Dwight Howard’s 20 points and 20 boards, which, given the amount of interior domination those numbers tend to imply, means a win for Orlando. For the Cavs? Their 20th straight loss, just three away from the NBA’s record consecutive losses. Eek. Ryan Anderson led the Magic (word?) with 23 points, while Manny Harris put in 20 for the Cavs.

Philadelphia 110, Denver 99

One of the biggest problems with the Nuggets—and presumably one of the reasons their leader wants out—is when Carmelo Anthony has an off game, the chances they’re getting a W are close to nil. Proof: last night. Melo scored just 12, as the Sixers had six guys go for double figures en route to the win. The loss is Denver’s first in five contests. Tonight, Melo and Co. hit…yep, Jersey, where, as you can imagine, the media will be waiting and want some answers. The questions? Well, come on. Take a guess.

New York 124, Detroit 106

One difference between this Knicks team and the past bunch of them: They close games. Not the way the League’s very best do, but they are definitely getting better and better at that little and wildly important character trait. This battle was all tied up going into the final quarter, when the Knickerbockers took off behind a bunch of Amar’e Stoudemire (33 points) dunks and Danilo Gallinari (29 points) jumpers. Oh, and check this: Timofey Mozgov! Dude managed 23 points and 14 rebounds, taking advantage of the minutes he was given as Wilson Chandler sat out with a sore calf. Ben Gordon led the Pistons with 35 in the loss.

Phoenix 104, New Orleans 102

The Suns played a solid game, one that looked like it was all but wrapped up. But an eight-point last minute lead was thiiis close to being blown, as a big Chris Paul three and a couple free throws tightened it up, and a CP3 off-balanced buzzer-beater would’ve given the Bees a victory—had it fallen in. But fall in it did not, and the Hornets dropped their second straight after piling up 10 W’s in a row. Marcin Gortat scored 25 for PHX, while Paul put in a game-high 26.

Golden State 96, Utah 81

With Deron Williams out with a hyperextended wrist, the Jazz never really threatened the Warriors, losing a little ground each quarter all the way through. Monta Ellis (2 points) struggled horribly, but Stephen Curry (27 points, 7 dimes) had his back, picking up the backcourt slack for Golden State. For the Jazz, well, their problems had an obvious root: They really need their All-Star point guard. Straight up.

Actual Stats: Dwight Howard: 20 points, 20 boards, 2 assists, 2 blocks

Moment of the Night: LeBron finds an open Eddie House, and then…

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  • riggs

    C’s win by double digits even with joey crawford reffing against them, feels great.

  • riggs

    if kevin durant, one of the leagues most quiet dudes, basically calls you a punk to the media youre pretty much it.

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    Wow, Gortat puts up two careers highs in a row. He’ll be the starter by season’s end, mark my words.

  • http://bugmarley.com Leonel

    Allball, I know you’re gonna be in here. Hornets got robbed. That was a goaltend.

  • T-Money

    riggs: kd said that he himself wasn’t a punk, he didn’t say that bosh was one. it was misreported and set twitter on fire. according to chris, kd told harden to dunk on him the next time after chris fouled harden. cb then replied “no he won’t”. i mean, really? bosh after the game didn’t think any of it and said it didn’t even warrant double t’s. bosh is certainly not a tough, gritty guy but i don’t know if he ever tried to pass as one.

  • T-Money

    so miami beat a +.500 and got one of those crucial wins by 5 points or less. YAY! they now have a chance to win a title.

  • Mike From Spain

    My Lakers suck… I hate the apathy of their regular season games. 10 assists for the whole friggin team? What is Gasol doing? What was that foul by Lamar Odom at the half buzzer for? When will we get someone who is a half decent stopper against quick point guards? And why cannot two of the best big men in the league (allegedly) grab the defensive boards against relatively undersized big men as Big Baby?

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Hornets were fuhking robbed. Goaltend on Thornton’s layup at the end. 2nd crucial miss by the refs. First was the Dunleavy tip in for Indiana 2 months ago. Just not fair.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Kobe Bryant: 29 shots. 0 Assists. Love the ’11 Mamba. He will be the reason the Lakers won’t threepeat…..unless they trade Pau.

  • MUBWAR

    I am tired of all these excuses Phil is giving his team. Blowouts at home to my Heat, the Bulls and now the mighty C’s. No chance for the Lake Show to threepeat.

  • arthur

    Lol at House leaving LeBron hanging after he hits the three.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    As Phil Jackson said “the playoffs haven’t started yet, have they?”. You’re right Phil. They haven’t. But your team keeps getting blown out at home. This has NEVER happened to one of your title teams. Own up to your team being sh*tty. Ron Artest is garbage. Steve Blake is garbage. Luke Walton is garbage. In a game like yesterdays, Shannon Brown and Derek Fisher shown themselves to be garbage. If every other team has to take a beating when they take losses, so do you. You know the routine.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Oh…and to Eddie House….you’ve been there before, bro. Act like it.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    1) Chris Paul was phenomenal. Who else can get 26/12/3/1 with no TO’s on 14 shots (50% from FG/3FG, 100% from ft). He scored 6 in the final 17 seconds.
    2)Leonel, no doubt, that was a goaltend, sure the Hornets will make an official complaint to the L, but the chances of replaying an overtime are slim to none.
    3) That 10 game streak masked the Hornets in efficiencies

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    No back-up bigs. Willie Green and Marcus Thornton cannot play at the same time.
    Marco is the worst SG in the L (starting).
    At least Bogans plays D.
    The Hornets need to trade for Jason Maxiell. Some one who can roll and finish, and back-up both West and Mek.
    4) Eddie House sure is carrying the Heat right now! Just kidding.
    5) Remember how the ‘real’ finals used to be the WCF? Could be different this year.
    6) Pau has seemingly regressed, Kobe is turning into an efficient scorer, and the Lakers are not as good as last year, nor will they be.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Eboy fck you. Your bang on, although 41 on 29 shots is not bad. There were no assists to be had for LA yesterday, and Pau has been playing like a Spanish Vince Carter for too long.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    AllBall, you only get an opportunity for an assist if you actually pass the ball to teammates. Kobe did nothing like that yesterday.

  • T-Money

    E: kill joy. Sooooo… they don’t look that bad without a pg on the floor, eh? Miller, Wade, Bron and Bosh will be on the floor at all times in the clutch. The fifth player will rotate depending on the situation. Could be Joel, Rio, Big Z or House. I love the fact that Juwan and Carlos are not getting minutes anymore. Eff positions, you don’t get to play just because it says PG or PF before your name on the depth chart.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    To quote big Phil ‘no one but Kobe wanted the ball’. To quote Lamar ‘we kind of force Kobe into taking over games when we play like that’.
    No doubt LA aren’t as good as previous years, but it’s not down to Kobe.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    When you lead, you take the blame. See: Lebron James.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kobe shot ten times in a row in the 4th. That’s impressive lol.
    No doubt, if Bron came up with 41 and no assists it would be open season.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    It was actually 11….but who’s counting?

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    @EBoy, I know you dislike Kobe, but in this instance, criticizing a guy for shooting 55% from the field, just because he didn’t have any assists, is a little nitpicky, don’t u think?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Obviously not us.
    Adam, I hate to ask, but did you watch any of the NOH/PHO game? I expected a reference to the no call at the end that would of sent it to OT.

  • T-Money

    Kulchakris: Yes and no. Boston can’t be beat by a one-man show. They’re just too good for that. So even when he’s hitting, he kinda has to try to get his bigs going because LA stands no chance vs BOS unless the bigs show up.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    KulchaKris, I’m actually not criticizing. I love this Kobe. Me against the world….tunnel vision….Mamba-fied….ready to strike….leaving his team to fend for themselves. It’s a good thing for opposing teams to see. The Lakers are great when there’s balance. I’m not buying that bullsh*t that “Pau played soft, Bynum did nothing.” Guess what? Big guys need to GET the ball. They’re not creators. They need to be fed. Kobe ain’t feeding sh*t when he tries to go one on one with a premier player. He tried to outduel Paul Pierce all day yesterday. Statistically, he won. In the column that matters, his team was routed again. As a non-fan, I’d take that all day.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    So now stats don’t matter, it’s all about winning. Let’s be consistent with that if Bron gets knocked out of the post season AGAIN this year, with good stats.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bron puts up near triple double numbers consistently. Mambo’s line yesterday looked like this: 41/3/0. That’s saying you ain’t doing nothing but shooting.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    He shot 55 percent. Whether you ‘buy’ the Bynum/Gasol being passive argument or not, it was plain to see.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    AllBall…..he needed to have scored 60 or shot 85 percent to validate it. Take your pick…unless the win meant nothing to the team.

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    The main problem with LA yesterday(in the second half at least) was defense.Going under screens when guarding Ray and Paul ,playing help defense when it is not needed, slow close outs, not getting back in transition,Ron Ron playing about a step slower than usual….Defensive lapses are why the Lakers lost and everyone on that team is at fault because of it…Regarding Kobe on offense….I did not really mind his shooting ,it was the fact he was kinda out of control late in the fourth.But Kobe is the only player in the world who can score 40pts on 50
    Percent shooting and still get backlash, just as Lebron can bag a monster triple double and get his effort questioned

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    You dislike Kobe too much to logically debate this. 40 pts on 50% shooting and only 2 turnovers is good basketball. When the whole team only gets 9 assists, it’s not like there is much to go around.

  • Anthony

    The Spurs are all about winning, not the stats but nobody talks about them. Be realistic, the only thing people love to talk about on this forum is who has the better stats.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Eboy…Did Gasol deserve the ball after the things he did with it when he got it against Big Baby in the fourth quarter or how he took his time getting down court. Something is going on with Gasol bc he plays with no heart this year. You don’t even see him and Kobe communicate much hardly during the games.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    AllBall…once again, when you are the leader, you have to take the blame. There is no excuse.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I hear you on that, but, once again, can we have some consistency?
    Every year when Bron has lost in the play-offs (as the leader), it wasnt Bron’s fault.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Cleveland blew Boston out several times last year and we know how that turned out in the playoffs so this is not proof of anything come playoff time. Its funny bc the lakers are much better defensively this year than the previous two seasons. Kobe and Odom are the only two guys who bring it every nite and that’s the problem.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Hehe, “Mambo”. Haven’t seen Eboy use that one in a while.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    He just tries to rile up Lakers fans and then disappear while they argue bk and forth with another commenter. That Eboy is some character.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I know alot of people that said that, AllBall, but they were playing with hero worship, not basketball intelligence. A great leader always takes the blame for his teamates. That’s how you become a great leader. Lebron isn’t a great leader yet. Kobe has never been in the class of guys like Larry, Magic, Michael. There’s a fine line between being a great player and a great leader. There’s very few that are both.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Yes, Kap,. because your Lebron logic is awesome and unbiased.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Of course he’s a great leader. Thats all Coach K raved about during the Olympics and his teammates. The guy not only leads by the hard work he puts in the game but he’s always in his teammates ear.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    I think the debate about Kobe’s performance is overshadowing the key point. That is, the Celtics are a better “team” than the Lakers right now. I may be wrong, but I doubt Kobe replacing 10 of his shots with 10 assists woould have significantly changed the outcome of last evening’s game.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I see what your saying, who would you consider to be a great leader in the L right now?
    I tend to agree with you on Kobe as a leader, as he has put himself before the team numerous times during the Shaq era.
    Bron won’t ever be a great leader in my eyes. What the Game Notes from OKC/MIA said, about him being too self aware, is spot on.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Depends if your talking made or missed shots Kris, lol.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    I mean, let’s be honest. Fisher and Artest combined shot 2-16. Are those the guys that Kobe should have been giving shots up to?

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Eboy would you even call Michael Jordan a great “leader” – he constantly blamed his teammates, openly questioned there mental toughness and abilities, especially in the clutch. Kobe is definitely not a great leader, both if anything, lead by example, Phil is the spiritual leader, and IMO it obviously works just fine.

  • http://nicekicks.com Meloman2.0

    Eddie sure has some big balls… and Kd still isnt cluch… but i love what he said about bosh

  • horsey

    that might be the first time i’ve seen someone do a semblance of the “I’ve got huge balls” dance and still pull off a win…

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    So its Kobe’s fault when the Lakers lose to the Celtics, but its coach Spo’s fault when Miami loses to the Celtics twice. That makes sense.

  • http://yahoo.com The Ambassador

    As a Laker fan I don’t know how much of this losing I can take. The Lakers got blown out by the Heat, the Spurs,and now now lost an important game to the Celtics. I agree with Kulchakris both Fisher and Artest combined for 2-16 man if i was Kobe i would not even acknowledge that Fisher and Artest were playing! Gasol and Bynum got owned by the Celtics Big men. I know Kobe didnt get no assist but why is he going to pass the ball to the people that are getting handled and are not playing with intensity. The Laker bench was just horrible too. Steve Blake should be traded he has not played well after the Hot Laker start in the start of the season. Shannon Brown also needs to step up too. All being said Lakers need to step up if they want to go the Finals.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I thought Phil Jackson was never at fault.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Kobe should pass the ball more for the simple fact that the Lakers are better when he does.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lightsout

    happy day for a celtics fan yesterday. everyone pretty much had it going. even shaq who fouled out after 12 minutes managed to squeeze in six boards and two blocks. love massive the rebounding advantage for the celtics, since that was their achilles heel last year. as for the lakers, it’s tough to give kobe the bulk of the blame. the guy had 41 points, and he took good, efficient shots. the problem is that he came out firing and looking to establish himself early rather than getting his teammates involved. he’s not wrong for doing that, but it seems like when he does that, the rest of the teams stops thinking about what they need to do and starts watching kobe go to work. give credit to the celtics bigs, though, for keeping pau and bynum from becoming major factors. that garnett-gasol matchup was looking like ’08.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Also, when you lose close games, with shi*ty strategies, it’s on the coach. No one expects you to have basketball knowledge, Diesel. That’s why you never were asked to contribute to some “stupid blog”. Zing!

  • T-Money

    Ugh. Every situation is different and needs to be analyzed separatly, there’s no magic formula that can be applied across the board. (and this has nothing to do with Bron, why is he even being mentioned?) Kobe had an excellent shooting night yesterday but Boston can’t be beat by one guy. Taking 11 shots in a row is just too much, every one that has ever played organized basketball know that you need to let a big get his touches if you want him to defend, rebound and play aggressively for you. Bigs aren’t like guards, they can’t get touches unless they’re fed. It’s Kobe’s responsibility as the leader of the Lakers to feed his bigs.

  • T-Money

    Diesel: those are stupid analogies. Watch the games, then decide who messed up and who deserves praises. The Xmas game wasn’t Kobe’s fault. Bron is about the only one who played well in the Celtics games, Wade played like -ss. Against NYK this weekend, it was Bron that sucked and Wade that played well. This tit for tat ish is ridiculous.

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    so… noone knows the Heats “big three” individual records against Melo? i’ll help u out, there all below 500

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    T, when this kind of statement is made ‘ when your the leader, its always on you’, then I am going to look for similar situations as a reference point.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Thanks for that, LaLa.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Meloman – the heats big three are on the same team now, why don’t you tell me Melo’s record against Denver, because that’s just as relevant.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    T, 11 shots in a row is only too much if you’re not making them all! Seriously though, you’re correct, run an offensive play, and get a good shot instead of taking high degree of difficulty contested jumpers. All that said, I still maintain that the Lakers lost because the Celtics are a better team.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    I did watch the game T-money, and I agree that everyone else on the lakers was playing soft, slow, intimidated, I don’t know. I watched pau and Bynum get beat down the court 3 times in the 4th quarter when the game was on the line. So I blame the players or the coach for not making a change. I don’t blame Kobe for recognizing their lack of effort and asserting himself. Apparently that means I don’t have basketball knoweledge in Eboy’s spin-happy world.

  • T-Money

    Diesel, all I’m saying is that when the playoffs roll around, if the bigs aren’t clicking and Kobe goes into eff it mode and scores 50 a game… LA will still lose. You ain’t winning without your bigs so it would it be in LA’s best interest to get them going by any means. If that means sacrificing a shot here and there, that’s the right play!

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    And Eboy – Do you really want to cover that all again after I chose to take the high road with you the first time?

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    I get EBoy’s point that the leader assumes blame for losses. But the Lakers didn’t lose solely because Kobe took 29 shots. Being outrebounded by 13 and out-assisted by 24 were bigger factors in the outcome. Plus, the bigs running uphill on defensive transition plays didn’t help either.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    T-money – My opinion is you go for the win in this game so that you can possibly have some sort of physiological advantage for the next game. Last night’s game wasn’t the game to try and get Pau back on track. You get your bigs rolling in an easier game and build up their confidence for next time.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    I think the Lakers lost because they were out of rhythm and were playin horrendous defense. I mean, Boston shot 60%, outrebounded LA by 13. Kobe shooting so much sure doesn’t help get anyone in rhythm but they just weren’t up to snuff anywhere last night. Doesn’t really matter, they will be fine in the playoffs.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lightsout

    cosign the hell out of t-money @11:39. it’s stupid to bring up lebron or the heat in this discussion. also, anyone notice what a let down steve blake has been? wasn’t he supposed to be a solid pick up? can’t believe how he let rondo cut to the basket for an absolutely-no-one-within-ten-feet lay up in crunch time.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Diesel, you took the high road? For real? I took the high road. Let’s not revise silly commenting history. You said there’s desperate people that wished they were SLAM writers and you referenced them as morons. You were told you were incorrect in your assumptions. You threw my name out and said you didn’t mean me. Whatever, Diesel. It’s all good. I’m done with it too.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    lightsout, have you picked and chosen what comments to read?
    If someone says that it is ALWAYS the leaders responsibility, then it should be apparent why I brought up Bron.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    i don’t remember who i was talking about this with, but whoever it was, the is why LeBron should be Miami’s closer and not Wade, right there in that last play. Wade is probably just as clutch a scorer as LeBron, but when it gets down to that point that’s what he is going to do, LeBron on the other hand is just as likely to find a wide open teammate. Which is why IMO LeBron should, already is, and will be Miami’s closer. Even if it takes Wade a while to come to grips with it

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Eboy – you threw your own name out there and I said I din’t have a problem with you..and that I apologize if I offended you. So yes, I consider that taking the high road.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    nbk, there’s the flip side though….if he takes the shot and misses it, he’s not clutch, he’s a piece of sh*t, he should have passed it to a wide open Eddie House. You’ve got to take what’s there. He made a great basketball play. Like he did in the famous instance when he gave up the ball to a wide open Donyell Marshall (who missed) in a lat-game situation. He’s a better facilitator at an end of game moment. He will pass the ball to an open teammate. Dwyane is looking to score. He’s in that Michael/Kobe mode in that moment. Who’s the better option. Depends on how you like your basketball, I guess.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    If he missed that shot, know one would have said ‘he should have passed to Eddie House’. If he passed to Eddie House and Eddie missed the shot, then it would have been ‘Bron is scared of the big shot’, ‘Bron’s a ….’.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lightsout

    @AllBall: actually, Eboy brought up LeBron.

  • T-Money

    E: D-Wade took a terrible step back jumper. We’re not talking about it because MM got the board. What I want from D-Wade and Bron is to attack the rim in those late game situations and dish out to better, wide open shooters if they’re met with resistance at the rim – not to take the long jumpers themselves.

  • ClydeSays

    Nice win by Boston. Not sure LA should panic, but they do have a tougher schedule in the 2nd half. We’ll see…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    T, Dwyane almost always tries that step-back J…and has had game-winning success with it numerous times. I’m fine with that shot, but when the playoffs come around and they wind up in a similar situation, I agree 100%, they need to force the defense to adjust instead of settling.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    To change it up for a second….prayers to Stuart Scott and his family. Just read he’s having to fight cancer again for a second time. He may be annoying sometimes, but the dude is a broadcast staple and a part of our NBA watching world.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    As for that last play by Lebron – he passed up a wide open 3 to pass to Eddie House, who was actually less open then Lebron was. Depending on who you’re a fan of you’re going to interpret that play how you want.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    both were wide open, House is the better shooter, LeBron made the right decision. And Eboy – I will always prefer the player that will get me the highest % shot. And the Kobe, MJ mold of player doesn’t generally do that. FE – Look at all those Kobe is not so clutch articles that were posted on ESPN and SI on Friday.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I saw that article, nbk. Kobe lovers must have either committed on-line suicide or chose to ignore it. But again, stats are misleading…..unless it benefits your favorite player!

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    And, co-sign Eboy regarding Stuart Scott.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    My favorite player is Gilbert Arenas lol, I know that stat doesn’t benefit him

  • izzo

    The only conclusive thing the whole Kobe clutch debate has shown is that even experienced sportswriters with a supposed depth of knowledge and enough perspective to claim credibility turn into obsequious fanboys whenever their heroes are apparently dissed.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I read that crap and its silly. But its not suprising finding that it came from ESPN and the guy who wrote it isn’t a big Kobe fan. Further proof that some stats are just ridiculous. Anyone who watch bball know who clutch Kobe is in the end of a game. i.e last season he had like six buzzer beaters. But people will believe what they wanna believe. I trust my eyes more than I do some stupid stat.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    yeah because all of his misses make sportscenter

  • T-Money

    Diesel: House was wide open. It’s Eddie House, one of the quickest trigger in the NBA – the defender didn’t bother that shot one bit. If you want to get on Bron for deferring to a better 3-point shooter than him in that situation, feel free. I thought it was the right play, regardless of the outcome.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    its not just one guys stats/conclusion…. 82games.com /1011 /CSORT11 – and he (henry abbot) didn’t say Kobe is bad in the clutch, he just isn’t as great as everyone tries to make him out to be. Just because he got more game winner opportunities then everyone else, and made some of them last season everyone talks about him like he’s larry bird with the game on the line. he’s not, its fine, doesn’t make him a worse player, doesn’t mean the Lakers aren’t a great team, just means Kobe isn’t the best clutch scorer in the world…..only the bravest

  • T-Money

    Kap: I’ll preface my comment with saying that I actually believe that Kobe IS clutch. Now, he takes 100% of the crunch time shots for LA unless he’s REALLY trapped. Which means that all of LA’s buzzer beater opportunities will go to him and every single one of his makes will be remembered and none of his misses will be. What I mostly give props to Kobe for his always WANTING that shot. His ability to hit it in that situation however is not remarkable, in the sense that he doesn’t hit the fadeaway with more accuracy in the clutch than at any other time in the game.

  • http://dude Chukaz

    My Lakers have turned into garbage. I think we need a major trade. I think the only ppl that should be viewed as untouchable are Kobe, Bynum, Brown, Ebanks and Character. We need a real starting point guard who can defend pg n knock down 3s. I wouldn’t trade gasol but if we need to let him go in order to get rid of ron n get a good sf in return i’m all for it. I think the lakers should try to trade for Mayo. He could be our starting pg. I know he’s not really a pg, but kobe does a bunch of the ball handling anyways. Mayo could d up on pg n could knock down 3s plus the dude got heart unlike steve blake n fisher (fish got heart but he’s way too old). I think Iggy could be a good fit at sf. The lakers should not be allowed to use the midlevel exception cuz we always get garbage players with it

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    When Bron passed to Damon Jones for a game winner in the play-offs way back, I was loving it. That was back when I was in awe of Bron. That was after he had told Arenas he was going to hit the winning shot.
    Now I see Bron as someone who cares about stats and reputation, over winning.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    ^Not this year, AllBall.

  • http://dude Chukaz

    examples of garbage we’ve signed with the mid level exception: Steve Blake, Ron Artest, Sasha Vudkfja;lsdh, Luke Walton, Vlad Rad.
    I have a question, how is Steve Blake an upgrade over jordan farmar? Sure Farmar was shorter and not a great defender but its not like Blake is locking ppl up and Farmar was younger. Its like their thinking was “sure blake is older, but he makes up for it by being slower and less athletic. Makes sense if you don’t think about it” And Blake is a downgrade offensively too. Farmar could create his own shot and he wasn’t afraid to attack. All blake does is pop 3s n he’s not very good at it either

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Chukaz, I would not get rid of Fish. Every post season, he hits a big shot.

  • http://dude Chukaz

    I love fish. He’s like Laker royalty, but he’s getting old. I don’t think anybody would take his contract on a trade. I just need a starting quality pg. Fish can stay on the roster but he can’t start. He gets outplayed just about every night. The only teams with a worse starting pg are probably sacramento and minnesota

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Yeah, he has to be kept around, even if it’s just for the post-season.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Lakers fans always over react. They just won two championships in a row. Its the regular season and they can’t win forever. All good things gotta come to an end one day. But, Gasol has not been a consistent number one option this year. He plays bad on defense and he takes bad shots in the post. It’s time he starts getting blame since everyone was labeling him the best big in the game in the offseason.

  • JTaylor21

    So let me guess the lakers didn’t care about winning this game either? Like I’ve been saying all season long, the chances of LA making back to the finals for the 4th year in a row is very very slim. You can’t be getting destroyed at home by good and bad team alike and expect to be playing in June. The supreme chucker was the one that cost them the game last night because they were down probably 5 in the 4th when he decided to go into his world famous chucking routine and the next thing you know they were down by 15.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @tmoney…I think its remarkable especially if you think back to last year when he hit shot after shot at the buzzer. I’m pretty sure Eboy remembers the one against Miami. He’s a guy that makes taking and making tough shots look easy. I think Melo is the only other guy I trust if the game is on the line. There is no way a stat can truthfully prove KB isn’t clutch. Anyone that believes that stat is crazy and a nerd. Just look at the guys who were at the top of the list. I wouldn’t trust them for nothing.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    When he scored 61 against the Knicks, he had 1 assist.
    And, Kobe almost kicked Ariza’s ass for taking a shot without Kobe’s permission. That was funny. I know y’all saw the stare down.
    Probably what got his ass ran up and out of L.A.
    We don’t hear things like that about The King. But anyways…

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    I think the Lakers’ current performance underscores just how difficult it is to make it to the NBA finals 4 years in a row. The team is a lightning rod, so fans and haters alike are going to (over)react to every up and down. As for the “Kobe isn’t clutch” article on ESPN, any statistic that ranks Shawn Marion (a guy who can barely create his own shot) higher than Kobe is questionable.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Jtaylor…If you really believe he cost them the game then I think you watched a totally different game from everyone else. The Lakers chances are good to come out of the West because all they have to worry about is San Antonio and if San Antonio plays NO before LA then I don’t think SA will make it past that series. The lakers only worry is who comes out the East. So there chances of making it to the finals are good as ever because the west is pretty weak up top.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Phil, Bron is too self aware for that kind of thing to happen.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    All that said was Marion shoots a higher %. The only thing that’s questionable is everyone’s insistence on overreacting

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I wish guys will quit saying this team is done for. Its the freaking regular season. The playoffs are three freakin months away with another half of a season to play. Does no one remember when they lost like 10 out of 13 last year at the end of the season and they still made the finals with relative ease?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kap, your right that New Orleans are going to beat the Spurs, after beating OKC/UTA in the 1st round.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Phil…that’s actually only proof of Kobe having Type A personality and Lebron have Type B personality.

  • JTaylor21

    Henry Abott never said that Kobe isn’t clutch, he said that Kobe isn’t as clutch as people make him out to be. I mean people even had the nerve to say that they would take him over MJ when it comes to taking a last shot, looking at those hurrendous percentages, he’s more like Harold Minor. Would anyone on here still take Kobe over MJ in terms of clutch ability?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    AllBall:
    Yeah, maybe you’re right.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @JTaylor…How bout you ask the other 29 coaches if he is clutch as everyone say he is. Don’t make me bring up the Gold medal game against Spain.

  • Bruno

    cosign Kap

  • JTaylor21

    Kap, no he’s not as clutch as everyone thinks. When your shooting 31% in clutch situations, you’re not that good. Y’all laker sheep are fooled because you choose to only remember the makes and erase all those misses out of your mind. Hell give me Melo over dude any day of the week.

  • Conoro

    Eboy, did you even watch the game? LMAO /Gasol was getting isolation plays throughout the first half, but was shut down by either Garnett or recently-returned cripple, Kendrick Perkins (but I suppose that’s Bryant’s fault as well for not cutting hard enough after the lob). And it’s kind of hard to get an assist when the teammate you passed to misses wide-open shots (aka, the shots they are paid millions annually to make). But you wouldn’t know that.

    /In conclusion: The Playoffs, once again. Just wait.

  • Conoro

    And everybody apparently knows more about the NBA game than NBA players who collectively (for the most part) consent to his being the best. Wow, you guys must be omniscient!

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    In situations when the team know he’s gonna get the ball and he’s often doulbed that’s not bad especially when its often a tough shot that not too many other people can’t make. It’s stupid to look at a % and declare he’s not as clutch as everyone thinks especially when freakin Shawn Marion has a higher %. I guess that means he good and better in that situation. It’s pointless debating this because you clearly hate the guy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Keep crying Laker fans. The end is almost here.

  • JTaylor21

    Of course you’re labeled a hater by kobe fans whenever you point out stats and facts that disrupt their otherwise perfect view of the man.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    So nbk, doesn’t that make the stat, as a measure of a player’s ability in the “clutch”, questionable? Sure, Shawn Marion shoots a higher %, but would you rather have the ball in his hands, versus Kobe’s in a game deciding situation?

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    JTaylor, I certainly don’t think Kobe is perfect. I’m not even a Laker fan. But I maintain I would rather have the ball in Kobe’s hands in a “clutch” situation than some of the people with a higher %. There are too many variables to take into account when determining end of game success, to boil it all down to a single number.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Shawn Marion is irrelevant, if your going to compare Kobe to someone compare him to a person that has the same late game responsibilities.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Jt, you are a Kobe hater lol.
    Chris Paul is the most clutch player in the NBA, as evidenced by his teams win % in close games compared to there overall win %.
    John Schumann did a great article on it the other day on NBA.com.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    Ok, nbk, since I am a Wizards fan, I’ll take Gilbert Arenas, a player who (if only marginally) is higher on Abbott’s list than Bryant. As I’m sure you’re aware, Gil was the designated closer of the Wizards’ purported big three. Would u prefer to have Arenas in a late game situation than Kobe?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Today I would rather have Kobe, in 2007 gilbert

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    Additionally, we all know that Kobe is a player that, for a variety of reasons, people have polar opinions about. Those who love him, will defend him to the bitter end, and those who hate him, well nbk, you (and Abbott) appear to be in that faction.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    nbk’s dog is named Kobe, he has no bias, if he had to pick one team, it would be the Suns, one player, Gil, although he loathes seeing the Lakers win, and although they will never win a title without Phil, and although he can see in the future and tell us that Jimmer Fredette is the white Eddie House, he is not biased. Oh, and his dog is named Kobe.
    Kulcha, get ready to read something like this from nbk.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    What i say is consistent. I gave my opinion on Jimmer lol that’s not reading the future. And what I’ve said about Kobe here in no way says I dislike him, just realistic

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    lol, just fckin with you. I got my nbk impression down though.

  • paul

    I would take ten assists over ten scores, because that means getting the team as a whole involved. Hence the Rondo Phenomenon.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    U definitely pay attention when I comment. Don’t really say those things for no reason lol but appreciate it

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Its cool, I know you have my Hornets making the play-offs now, right?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Yessir, I was wAy off with that one. Although I don’t know who I have falling out

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    Paul, the Rondo Phenomenon is partially a function of a player who cannot shoot….in last evening’s game, he airballed a wide open jumper. So, yes, I’ll take 10 assists from him as opposed to 10 shots.

  • http://jayemmbee23.tumblr.com Clutch Performer

    nevermind the lakers, how bout the fact the Celtics are beasting, beating everyone, Lakers,Heat,you name it

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    ANYONE REMEMBER WHEN LOBE DID THE BIGBALLSDANCE IN SANANTONIO? ONLY TO HAVE MASON JR HIT AND EVEN MORE CLUTCH SHOT, WHILE FOULED BY FISH!! Hahahhahah suck it lobe. ……. Im so glad jvg called out fishers flopping yesterday, its so blatantly fake. And he called out the refs for continuously falling for the same crrap.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Gortat was a great pick-up for the Suns… He had a monstrous 25 and 11 in 23 minutes of play.

  • http://klatschendom.wordpress.com/ speedy

    Lakers will be there when the playoffs come around. There is no discussion on that.
    I am not a laker fan but the players and coaches on this team have seen to much to suck in the playoffs.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Chukaz betta learn about beno udrih, hes having a great year.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    1. The no-call in the Phx/NOH game doesn’t bother me because of that BS three-point foul on Chris Paul. Ball is already out of Chris Paul’s hands, and he FLINGS his hand on Frye’s hand and that’s a foul? Yeah right.
    2. Coach K Raved about Lebrons’ leadership. I don’t remember him ever mentioning Kobe, and that’s not a knock on Kobe because Kobe did not WANT TO LEAD THE TEAM. Kap will say anything to make Kobe look better.
    3. Kobe had a fantastic game and should get 0 blame for that loss. Eboy’s logic is not that great sometime.
    4. I do like the fact that people are going to kill Diesel for his comment until the end of time.
    5. Everyone knows I’m a big Kobe hater, but I will say this: If Kobe is going to score 40+ on over 50% shooting, is it Kobe’s fault for not getting his team involved, or is there any room to put blame on the TEAM for simply not being able to utilize Kobe properly when he’s hot? What other team would not be able to pull out a win if their superstar is dropping bombs like that? I’m sorry, this is not the first time the Lakers have lost when Kobe is having an excellent offensive game. The team needs to be able to play without standing around and watching. These are not the Cavs. This is a two-time championship team. They need to be able to contour around Kobe, not vise-vers
    6. Clutchness depends on how you look. If I had to decide between Kobe and Jordan taking the last shot at the end of a game, I may take Kobe. If I had to decide between Kobe or Jordan with the ball in their hands at the end of the game, I’d take Jordan. Kobe takes EVERY SINGLE SHOT whatever the situation. I’ve seen him pass up on a game winning situation twice. TWICE. Jordan, on the other hand, had THREE iconic moments (and only one of them was a set play) where he passed up a game winning shot for a player… this is why Kobe’s percentages are lower than others: he doesn’t pass. But if other players took the shots Kobe took, they’d never dream of making them. So it really depends on how you define clutch… do you want the player of who has the best chance of making the last shot, or a player who will make the best decision at the end of the game?

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Let me specify that Kobe/Jordan cmment. I’ve seen Jordan pass up the last shot a lot, but three of his highlights are passing up a shot for another player for the win (Paxon, Wellington, Kerr).
    Kobe I’ve seen pass to Fisher once, and Artest once. That is it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Why are y’all ignoring how much Pau Gasol was getting out-maned when La most need him to step up?

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    “The recently-returned cripple, Kendrick Perkins”! U made my day with that one Conoro, thanx.
    And KB is clutch, I don’t care what the stats say (and I’m a HUGE KB hater) but that snake does have cold blood! Anyone who says the contrary has never played competitive BBall.

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Jukai completely agreed with the point 6 of ur 8:56 comment.
    Stats are irrelevant here, considering the volume of last second shots taken by KB, compared 2 the amount taken by the other players who are supposedly more clutch than him. (It’s like saying that Gortat who has a 2/5 (40%) 3 pt perctge 4 his NBA career is a better 3 pt shooter than someone who has a 35-39% 4 his career but has taken thousands of 3 pts)…

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Jukai, that goaltend call is a simple rule, no interpretation needed. I’m pretty sure the refs gave Phoenix a call or two along the way on shooting fouls that was questionable.
    That’s stupid logic.
    Goaltending is a black/white call. He either hit it on the way up or down, and before or after it hit the backboard.
    Not only that, but he slapped the backboard altering the shot more. It was an easy call to make.

  • http://www.facebook.com BlackPhantom

    Jukai’s 1,2,3 comment was on point, why the hell is Kobe getting blame for putting up 41 points

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    AllBall: Wahhhh wahhhhh wahhhhhh.
    I’m sorry, but they are called make up calls for a reason. TERRIBLE foul call on Chris Paul more than makes up for a blown goaltend call.
    Why are the Hornets making such a big deal over it? The Spurs and Kings and Suns have had terrible calls which permanently altered their playoff fates, and there was no whining. I can’t believe how much crying Hornet fans are having over this.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Sorry, when I said Hornet fans, I meant Hornet COMMENTATORS. They wouldn’t get over it. If the Suns don’t get a redo over the fact that we had a referee working for the mob in our playoff series, the Hornets do not get to redo an overtime.

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