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Friday, January 28th, 2011 at 8:45 am  |  171 responses

Post Up: Heat Check

Knicks cool off Heat, while C’s take down Blazers.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

New York 93, Miami 88

In a nationally televised contest, in the jam-packed, bright-lit Madison Square Garden, and with countless celebrities watching from their courtside seats, the Knicks puffed up their chest and held their own against the big bad Heat, coming away with a victory. Yeah, Chris Bosh was out, but the performance was pretty impressive nonetheless. Miami maintained a slight lead for the majority of the first three quarters, but a huge fourth—led by strong interior play from Amar’e Stoudemire (24 points, 8 rebounds) and a few clutch outside buckets from Danilo Gallinari (20 points) and Landry Fields (19 points)—helped the Knicks grab the lead, which they held onto in the final minute. The Heat, meanwhile, were just off. Dwyane Wade (34 points, 16 boards) got zero help, the ball barely moved on offense, and with the exception of a (very) late scoring run, LeBron (24 points) was relatively quiet.

So maybe Bosh is more important to the team than we all thought? Maybe the Knicks really can beat any team in the NBA on any given night? Maybe they got kinda lucky, benefitting off Bosh’s absence, the Miami’s lack of cohesiveness and some extra crowd-infused motivation? Y’all tell me.

Dallas 111, Houston 106

If the Mavs are going to survive (read: win) during these post-Caron Butler times, they’ll need plenty of help from every potential contributor. Well, how’s this: 21 points and 15 boards from Tyson Chandler, and 19 points (8 of 10 shooting) from JJ Barea. That’ll do, no? Dallas held off the Rockets at home last night, picking up their third straight win against some feisty opposition. Luis Scola led Houston with 30, while Kevin Martin picked up 27 in the L.

Boston 88, Portland 78

Can’t hate on the Blazers’ effort, but against the East’s best, and as short-handed as Portland has and continues to be, expecting them to take this one might’ve been asking a little much. Boston grinded out the victory, holding the Blazers to 78 points and only 37.5 percent shooting from the field. Sharpshooter and alley-oop recipient (see below) Ray Allen led the Celts with 18, while Paul Pierce dropped 17 and left a couple minutes early to tend to his nagging thigh injury. Pierce has been a rock for the C’s the past few months, so giving the guy some well-earned rest might not be the worst idea.

Actual Stats: DWade: 34 points, 16 boards, 5 assists, 1 steal

Moment of the Night: The two best plays of the night, both courtesy of @Jose3030, who absolutely dominates Twitter on a nightly basis, if you’ve been sleeping.

First, LeBron tells Ronny Turiaf to get that weak mess outta here:

Then, Rondo hooks up with, um, Ray Allen, for the slick alley-oop:

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  • Washtub

    First!
    and, I’m usually a hater, but damn, what a sick block

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    “What do we do now, Spo?”
    “Same thing we do every game, Bronny. We run an iso on the wing!”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    FIRE SPO!!!!!! Filipino’s everywhere go into an uproar!!!!!!!!! Dumb f*ck.

  • Bruno

    can we get a NY-Miami series in the playoff???

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Lebron got good position in the post. Lebron couldn’t finish in the post. You don’t experiment THAT MANY TIMES WHEN SOMETHING ISN’T WORKING IN A GAME SITUATION!!!!!!! How many times did Spo allow Wade and Bron to just go one one one? 20 possessions? That’s ridiculous….and uncommon for two normally unselfish players. This loss falls solely on Spo and in this sh*t streak they been going through, he has failed over and over. All I needed to see last night was the stat that said that the Heat are 1-8 in games decided by 5 points or less. To me, that shows every indication that Spo can’t manage late-game situations. If Pat sticks to his guns, and lets Spo finish out and they fall short of at LEAST making the Conference Finals, this season will have been a waste. Sure the future is bright, but why not give these guys the best chance to win long-term. It definitely should not have Spo in it’s future.

  • http://bugmarley.com Leonel

    Whatever Eboy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    What was up with LeBron? I know he had to play the 4, but he played like crap. Not used to seeing LeBron having a bad game under these circumstances.

  • http://slamonline.com Caboose

    Haha dangg Ronny…Anyways, it was nice to see that the Knicks can tighten the defensive screws on occasion.

  • Elvis Freshly

    Ray is so much more than a shooter, the man is an unbelievable athlete

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If Lebron can get an up and under move, he may move into the top 10 of post players in the league. That, and if he can get some touch at the rim. He was terrible but I liked the IDEA of beginning to establish him in th post….but when he wasn’t making ANYTHING, they need to go away from it.

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    Meanwhile, Lang has Spo for Coach of the year so far. We live in a crazy world.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    What a glorious night at the World’s Most Famous Arena! There was a buzz in the air like there would be at Staples Center when the Lakers play the Celtics. Soon Carmelo will come home…as Bart Scott would say, “CAN’T WAIT!”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And if Dwyane’s going to continue to wear those goofy ass glasses, he may want to get prescription ones because that idiot looked like Shaq from the free-throw line.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Lang’s a known drunk.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “Whatever Eboy”. Whatever Eboy is the only fan of his team that cuts through the bulls*it and doesn’t make excuses when the coach and it’s stars suck tremendous di*k.

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    To answer Adam’s question about Miami’s lack of cohesiveness, i bring you the stat of the day: 11 Heat players played last night, only 5 of them scored.

  • T-Money

    LeBron led the entire NBA last year in converting (getting baskets or ft’s) 58% of his post up attempts. I just wanted to throw it out there. E: I’m surprised that you of all people is getting so riled up about January losses, considering you had first row seats to the last title where they didn’t beat anybody in the reg season. Especially on this team where everybody is new, the whole 82 games are there to figure out what works and what doesn’t. And they’re going to struggle mightily without the starting and back up 4.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    I guess sensitivity to light can affect anyone’s free throw shooting. Eboy, yes Spo has displayed spotty coaching many times this season, but don’t you think he’s done a good job of managing the egos on this team, and getting them to play as a cohesive unit on the defensive end? I agree that multpile post ups with ‘Bron (whose post game is in it’s infancy, to say the least) is not a great offensive plan. But overall, I think Spo has done a good job in a high pressure situation filled with unreasonably high expectations (73-9??). The team is 31-14, and Spo has to get some of the credit for that.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Bron sucks in the post, last night (and all of this season), has been proof of that.
    Aside from that, He did his best Derrick Rose double act, 24 points on 24 shots.
    Bron for MVP.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I know, I know, Bron was just trying to ‘will his team to victory’. Don’t we all.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    T-Money and Kulchakris…..all you points are well and good but the truth is still right there….are they going to be able to get enough from the bench and their role players and with that, use the right rotations, to do damage in April, May, June??? I’m not convinced.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    E, as you rightly pointed out in this very space many moons ago, this team as currently constituted will most likely not win the ‘ship this year. They need additional pieces, which may include a new coach. I will agree that last night’s offensive game plan appeared to lack structure, and that falls right into Spo’s lap.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    So, what offence would you run for the Heat? Both Bron and Wade are most effective on the ball.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    See….I’m not a mentalcase.

  • T-Money

    Reggie Miller and Steve Kerr sounded almost angry at Miami yesterday, like actively wanting them to fail. It was getting a bit weird at times.

  • MUBWAR

    I have never seen so many 1 on 1 from the Heat offense last night. no ball movement, not enough fast breaks. What the hell is the job of the coaches. it’s like they just said: hey wade do you and whenever you can’t do nothing pass to Lebron so he chuck up a looong trey. Lebron had an off night if you can called it that with 24 13 and 5

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Pick and roll their as*es until the cows come home. That could result in 30 possessions a game (15 a half).

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Eboy – I think Leonel’s “whatever Eboy” was in reference to you throwing filipino in there again. As for the game: Landry Fields really impressed me. He’s better than I thought. For a rookie to step up like that in clutch situations is impressive. High basketball IQ already. And I think that’s the 3rd or 4th time I’ve seen him sneek in on the free throw attempt and score/get fouled.

  • http://slamonline.com AlbertBarr

    Eboy has it right: Pick and Roll! All day! Lebron and Wade. I don’t think I saw a single P&R with them last night…smh. And when Miami started to lose control last night, Spoelstra looked like a lost f’cking child. What is the equivalent of a deer in the Philippines? Cause Spoelstra looked like that in headlights.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    T-money, I think they did. That was during the stretch where it was all 1 v 1, whilst Shawne Williams was locking down ‘the king’.
    What you mean, 15 possessions a half?
    Yeah, lets blame Spo because Bron and Wade want to play pick-up ball. Can’t really blame Wade, he made his shots.

  • http://bugmarley.com Leonel

    albert, a deer is “usa” in the Philippines…seriously. Thanks Diesel. I’m a fan of Eboy’s knowledge of basketball but that remark about Filipinos does not serve any purpose.

  • MikeC.

    I am satisfied with the results of last evening’s contest between the Knicks of New York and the Heat of Miami.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    They have Bosh, who is essentially a jump-shooting big, so they can run P&R’s and S&R’s with him. They also have two guys who can pretty much drive past any defender in the league. So, spread the floor with Miller and Jones, and drive and kick to them if necessary. The iso’s won’t seem so glaring when there’s variety. @AllBall, are you suggesting that Bron and Wade aren’t running the plays that Spo calls?

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Eboy is obsessed with Filipinos, or has a crush on Spo. Maybe both. Good win by my Knicks, even though no one else but Amare played decently the first three quarters. Fields and Gallo won the game. NEVER expected Wade and Bron to go out there playing one-on-one. Was disappointed by LBJ’s demeanor and lack of effort. We’ll take the win anyway.

  • letsmotor

    @T-Money: where’s that stat from? and is that a stat for finishing at the rim or for finishing in plays where his back is to the basket?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    You idiots really think I didn’t write that in my first comment to make light of the last time I mentioned his heritage and got wrangled for it? There are some truly dense people that come here.

  • T-Money

    D-Wade won a ‘ship going 1-4 flat. The high screen is the most devasting play in the NBA when you have a superstar with the ball in his hands – the numbers back that up. And it’s not even close. I’m just saying, calm down people. Miami (and most NBA teams now) chart EVERYTHING. They run high screens for Bron and Wade all day because it’s VERY effective. I think people sometimes forget that Wade and Bron are the primary ball handlers on this team. Nobody gets on CP3 or Nash for “pounding the ball” or running high screens on every single possession.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    KK, no, I’m saying that Spo is giving them free reign. I’m making a moot point in reality, as Spo’s offensive sets end up in the same bad shots that Bron and Wade’s detours do.
    Filipino Simpleton.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I kid, I kid. And I should of gave Eboy a reference.

  • letsmotor

    Wade’s free throw shooting really hurt them, as did the fact that he missed his last 7 (!) shots after such a great start. tough to fault him considering how he dominated early on, but i was thinking that reggie must be tempted to look at wade and make his famous choking sign. and that was a beautiful game for a celtics fan to watch. perkins looking great, garnett with a near triple double, and ray with his first alley oop in who knows how long. good stuff.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    T-money, you think Wade or Bron are as effective running the screen/roll for a whole game as Nash and Paul are?

  • Mvp23100

    Man f*ck the knicks Bron was broke as sh*t and the offense was stagnant nothing more or less I must say if Chi and NYC meet in the playoffs it will be a great series

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    @Eboy, you’ve “made light” of that about four times since the ‘simpleton’ comment. We’re just noting that you keep beating a dead horse. Maybe you’re the one who should lighten up.

  • vtrobot

    ray ray is getting younger. love when the C’s and the blazers play.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    zoom….you need to learn how to count.

  • tRay

    Why do people get so damn sensitive about Eboy’s comment? It’s just a comment on a damn message board suck it up lol anyway the game was good a lot of 1 on 1 ball for the Heat and the C’s looked great and so did Big Perk

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Eboy, you need to learn how unfunny you are. I’ve yet to find a single joke you’ve made on here amusing. You’re the guy who tries too hard despite all the crickets after the jokes.

  • http://www.twitter.com/chris_griff_3 Chris_Griff_3

    Boston is going to win it all this year. They’ve been plagued by injuries all season, and they still truck over the competition. I really think it’s not even going to be close. Only downside is that if the league goes into a lock-out next year, Shaq’s, KG’s, and Ray Allen’s careers may all end this year, without never getting a chance to defend their likely championship.

  • T-Money

    AllBall: Even more when you factor in points created for themselves. They make plays for others AND they get buckets out of it.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I see you on that, but they won’t be able to control the game off of a screen roll for the 36-40 minutes they are on the floor, in my opinion. Nash/Paul can control a game, be efficient and not let the offense get stagnant, even when running a different formation of the same play over and over.

  • tRay

    @Chris I do think you’re right BUT if they have a meltdown like they sort of had in the last few minutes of last nights game then we could see another Game 7 meltdown like last year.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    zoom….curing bit*ness probably has it’s own webpage. Do a Google search and find some balance. That’s not a joke.

  • http://brimartin13@gmail.com Brion

    Last night was frustrating watching the Heat (Lebron) hold the ball, dribble, dribble,. Im officially w/ Eboy on the whole Coach Spo firing thing.

  • http://www.double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    The sodium levels are off the charts when Mia catches a L. Stay free Heat fans.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Why blame the coach? It looked like Bron was tryna outdo Wade last night after Wade went 14/15.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Zee’s right….I’m sorry I’ve been a jerkoff this morning. With that, Spo still needs to be replaced.

  • Bruno

    hey zoom take it easy man, I don’t like too much eboy but I have to admit that sometimes he’s right and in some lucky days even funny

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kap, you raise an interesting point. Why the hell did Bron shoot more than Wade last night? 24/22.
    Where the Hell is Bryan Crawford.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Lebron looks awful in the post. There’s no excuse for that when you have been in the league for eight seasons and the supposed best player. This is what I always argue about the guy. He lacks basic fundamentals and when old age or a serious injury hits then his game is gonna drop tremendously.

  • http://www.double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    I fully expect the Heat to BODY the Knicks next time they play though.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    I will. As soon as you’re off the rag, you b*tch a** crybaby.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Did anyone notice that Wade was 2nd in NBA in fourth quarter scoring? It’s clear who the closer should be and I think it should be Wade. The TNT guys said it should be Bron but I think they obviously have a bias towards him. It’s time to put egos aside and let Wade carry them to finish line when things go awry.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    @ Bruno: I never had one of those ‘lucky days’. His jokes are pretty much always sandpaper when I’m reading. Plus, I just find his attention seeking annoying.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kap, I hate to do this, but last night at least, Wade was 0-7 (terrible) as the closer.
    That could of been due to the force feeding of baby shaq in the post, though.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Where are the guys who said yesterday that the Knicks can’t play defense (Shawne Williams) and Melo won’t make these guys a championship contender. All this team is missing is a go to player down the stretch to go along side Amare’. Make the trade ASAP!!!

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    The Heats offense dies when Bosh is on the bench and the game slows down. Pick & Rolls through Joel Anthony are such a bad idea Wade & LeBron repeatedly kept turning down the plays Spoelstra was trying to have them run. It’s clear to me they do not trust his decision making when the game gets tight, and I don’t know who is more wrong the Heat players for blowing off their coach, or Spoelstra for insisting on runnning an offense where the ball gets within 10 feet of Joel Anthony every single possession.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Although Shaq’s footwork inside would be an improvement.
    Side note, best 3 guys to watch in person, according to John Hollinger, Manu/CP3.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And Blakezilla.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    He went 0-7 bc Bron got him out his rhythm when he tried to takeover.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @AllBall: I’m retired from commenting. No Brett Favre…

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Co-sign Lebron needing work on his fundamentals. As big of a Knick fan as I am, the Heat should have been able to beat them. He looked terrible in the paint and his frustration was pretty evident by his body language and facial expressions.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Its so funny that when Bron comes up with a 7/24 game and his team loses then his teammates and coach are to blame. Sounds eerily similar to the playoffs against Boston last year. Bron stunk it up last nite and he played pretty selfishly. If this was that guy in LA then you guys would be ripping him pretty badly.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    BC, Phil Jackson…?

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    I believe the Knicks can play defense but they usually don’t. I won’t get my hopes up about their defensive future until D’Antoni is no longer the coach. He is their biggest hinderance in terms of being serious contenders. Until he is gone, I can’t get excited about single-game defensive performances.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    A Mike D’antoni team will never win a title……..

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Well Galinari and Fields increased their trade value last nite.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Unless they sign CP in 2012 (Don’t do it Chris).

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    The Closer of Miami should be, and is LeBron for a couple reasons, first, he won’t force the shot to win the game, if he has a guy open he’ll hit him. (like Mario Chalmers wide open in the corner at the buzzer last night) LeBron is also more efficient in late game situations then almost anyone else in the league, more then wade for that matter. And lastly because Wade moves much better without the ball, and is a far superior offensive rebounder. LeBron taking attention away allows Wade to perform those sneaky backdoor cuts, and also to grab those game/momentum saving offensive rebounds. That is to say, if Spoelstra or whoever is truly 100% against running LeBron and Wade together in a pick and roll situation….

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    @ Kap: I agree 100%. D’Antoni has to go in order for them to get serious about contending. A couple wins over teams like the Heat are good for trash talk and bragging rights but that’s as far as it goes for a D’Antoni/Don Nelson team. A player or two and a coaching change and the Knicks are scary. If they coud snag Melo and Afflalo or Dalembert (preferrably him) they’d be contenders.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…You don’t think that would cause chemistry issues with making Lebron the go to guy? I know those guys are close but we all have egos especially NBA superstars and I thnk Wade would be hurt if the Heat become Lebrons team which it is slowly becoming.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Co-sign Kap;s 11:23 comment; I stated that before and many-a-Bron slurpers attempted to crucify me. I didn’t know that he finished with 24 though. That’s actually kind of impressive considering his performance.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    I think since Wade already has a title, is older, and really has nothing to lose by letting LeBron take that role over definitively then it shouldn’t cause any issues. LeBron is clearly the better player, shooter, finisher, passer. He is also more easily rattled, and loses interest when he isn’t involved. I really think Wade already knows LeBron is their closer, but they don’t seem to have a system to take advantage of anything other then 1 on 1 mismatches. Again idk if its spoelstra’s fault, or as Allen pointed out the other day, LeBron’s insistence on going 1 on 1, but they need to do something better to score more consistently late in games. If LeBron didn’t get those 6 or so points in the last 90 seconds last night the Heat would have barely had a double digit fourth quarter. That is unacceptable for a championship contender, ESPECIALLY against the Knicks.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Lebron is not a better shooter than Wade and the finishing ability is about equal. I never really thought Bron was the better player I always thought it was pretty equal but would give Wade the nod because he is only like 6’3 and dominates like he’s 6’9 but I’m not trying to get into a debate about that.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Co-sign Kap. Wade is freakin amazing for what he can do at his height.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    i’ll just say it like this, there is not on measure in the world that says Dwyane Wade is better then LeBron. Efficiency, Consistency, & Production have never been in Wades favor. about the clutch shots thing, 82games.com /gamewinningshots – but whatever they are 7 years into their career if you can’t see that LeBron is better you probably never will

  • T-Money

    Kap: LeBron has been leading the NBA in 4th quarter scoring for the last 3-4 years. You’re cherry picking with stats.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I don’t buy into stats. I go by what I see on television because I damn near watch every game. My career being in the science area I find using numbers towards basketball not always precise.

  • T-Money

    Kap: Man, the stats are there for everyone to see. Bron is a better shooter than Wade from the line and from deep. And they’re equal from midrange. Bron is the best non-center finisher at the rim. He’s a MUCH better defender and a better passer as well. You’re seeing what you want to see. Now, if you want to give him the nod because he’s 6’4 that’s your prerogative. That would be silly, but that’s your right.

  • Pharoah

    LeBron only knows how to play 1v1, its all he has been doing since the Cav days. Let Wade be the closer

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    How bout them SECOND PLACE Bulls Enigmatic?

  • T-Money

    Kap: You don’t buy into stats when you don’t like those stats. You were buyin into Wade’s 4th quarter scoring stats in your 11:26 am, amirite? Until you realized that Bron has been consistently leading the league in 4th quarter scoring lol.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    Anyone ever heard the saying, “Numbers are like bikinis; what they reveal is suggestive, what they cover up is significant”. That said, from watching each guy play, I would opine that while Wade might at times be better in certain situations, LeBron is the better overall player. The bikinis may refute my opinion, but such is life.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I’ve seen nothing to prove that the 6’8 Lebron is better than the 6’3 Wade except for passing. I think that’s the only area Lebron has the clear advantage in. Also, if you do by stats you would like at lebrons FG% and think he was the better shooter but by watching with your eyes you would see that he just bowls through everyone and either makes the layup and/or gets the foul and doesn’t settle for the jumper often so that is the reason for the scoring efficiency.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Kulchakris – I like that saying. I’m going to steal it and pass it off as my own.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @t-money…I knew about bron leading the league in 4th quarter scoring all the last two seasons. I mentioned it about this yr because he plays with a guy that is 2nd in the league in that category right now. However, he lead bc he doesn’t get the five minute rest that other coaches gave their guys during the fourth quarter. i.e Kobe Bryant, Dirk. That’s my point on stats not telling the entire story.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    The only thing Lebron has on Wade is passing because Lebron is a natural point guard. The guys arguing against my point are LBJ followers so of course you guys are biased.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Kap LeBron has shot a better 3pt % every single year. You don’t just bull through the lane for 3′s that’s the truest measure of shooting stroke in basketball. And their heights are part of the game, you can’t discount a guy cuz he’s taller, lol that will never even out. what’a crock, there is evidence everywhere that Wade is inferior to LeBron at everything but getting to the free throw line, which is pretty much even. You just don’t want to look at, or accept any of it because you have formed your opinion. Selectively using some stats and making up excuses for why they are more relevant then others is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing you can do to express your opinion, makes you look like a hypocrit.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    I’m not an LBJ “follower” or whatever your trying to pin me as. That’s just another bs excuse for you not being able to back up your opinion with a logical reason

  • T-Money

    Kap: LOL is my response to your 12:53 comment. Where exactly did you get that Bron doesn’t rest in the 4th quarter? LeBron is actually the one resting at the beginning of Qs 2 and 4 while D-Wade plays the full 12 and rest at the end of Qs 1 and 3. Have you ever watched a Miami game or are we just going to start making up random ish?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…Lebron also takes much more threes that allow him to get into rhythm where he gets hot from downtown unlike Wade who doesn’t take many threes at all. That’s where your stats lie to you again. It’s a percentage. Paul Pierce had a higher 3pt % than Ray Allen last season so does that mean he’s a better 3pt shooter? No. Lebron shoots a better % than Kobe but we know Kobe is a much better shooter. Also take into account that guys concede him that shot because they don’t want him driving.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @t-money…I was talking about when he played for the Cavaliers. Sorry

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I’m just saying that stats lie. Just like you said a few days ago that according to some stat Kurt Thomas is the best defensive center in the L. That didn’t take into account the slow pace Chicago plays at and their defensive scheme.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Numbers are bikinis is funny. ……

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Let’s be real, Bosh isn’t getting back into the rotation until he’s allowed to wear a helmet.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kobe is a better shooter than Bron.

  • Max

    Kobe is LeBron’s Father.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
    – Mark Twain

  • T-Money

    Kap: 1- Bron was also resting in Qs 2 and 4 in CLE. He has never gotten his rest in Qs 1 and 3. Ever. 2- Bron is not a better shooter than Kobe but he is a better 3-point shooter. Which is not saying much because Kobe is not a very good shooter from deep, never has been. 3- Keep trying to rationalize everything under the sun that tells you D-Wade is better than LeBron. It’s entertaining.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    “Statistics are no substitute for judgment”
    – Henry Clay

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Literally every single stat, not just some random stat Kap. There is a huge difference between relying on one stat and relying on all of them. Plus every single person that actually watches both players play on a consistent basis without a pre-formed opinion or bias accepts the fact that LeBron is better, which you clearly aren’t. LeBron and Wade are seperated by 40 attempts this season, 40, and LeBron is shooting 5% higher, what’s your excuse those 40 shots allow LeBron to get in such a much better rhythm he shoots 5% better?. People act like LeBron’s jumper hasn’t improved or something, its Wade who has been shooting largely the same % his whole career, actually his second best shooting season was his rookie year. LeBron on the other hand, has gotten better annually, and is having the best shooting year of his career form 3 this season. And your Ray Allen v Paul Pierce argument is literally the exact opposite of your Dwyane Wade LeBron James argument, Ray Allen shot last season, considerably more three’s, so he as the better shooter and player with the opportunity to get “in rhythm” as you like to say, should presumably be shooting a much higher %. according to your logic ofcourse

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kobe is a better 3 point shooter than Bron. 34% over career>33% over career.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Welcome back BC

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And Kobe is a better shooter using the eye test, not stats, from deep and mid range.
    BC, good to have you back.

  • JTaylor21

    Looks like Copernicus is back to spew his BS knowledge.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    So if I said to you Kap, KC Jones is a better player all-time then Michael Jordan how would you refute that? What would you do to argue it, since you don’t “believe in stats”

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Jt, I know you watched the game last night, what did you think of Brons ‘post game’.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’m not. Those are not “my” words.
    I’m retired. No Brett Favre…

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    If you could regularly post on here using only quotes, that would be something.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    HANG TIME HEADQUARTERS – This is a direct message to the anti-Kobe Bryant crowd out there.
    Give it up! Give up the fight.
    And give it up for Kobe Bean Bryant.
    Seriously, stop hating on the man and surrender. There’s a good chance KB Bryant is going to leave this game with his face on the NBA’s version of Mt. Rushmore, alongside those idols from his childhood, specifically Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson.
    You can’t win this argument. Despite all of your theories to the contrary and reasons for why he should not, could not and will not go down as one of the game’s top five all-time greats, it’s going to happen. There’s no stopping him now. He’s already got the championship rings (five of them, to be exact) and career longevity that has eluded so many other seekers of basketball’s holy grail (fame, fortune, rings and legendary status).

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    what just happened

  • JTaylor21

    AllBall, I mean it was garbage last night but he did miss some easy ones down there. I mean it’s hilarious the way people on here expect a 25yr old to all of a sudden dominate in the post, when their favorite player, favorite player lived on the perimeter and never posted up during their prime but I guess that since people love to hate on dude, they criticize him for a skill his supposed to possess by his 30s. At least he’s working on it at such an early stage in his career, so by his 30s he should have mastered that area of his game.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    lol, don’t know bk. I hear Jimmer Freddete is the next Eddie House.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    lol you just lookin for a conversation huh? IMO he won’t be any better then House. I doubt he gets that much run though

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Yeah I hear you. Kobe isn’t my favourite player. Although both him and MJ had better footwork on the perimeter, and both of their games were more easily transferable to the post in my opinion.
    Yeah, he missed a lot of shots that he will make if he develops touch down there.

  • JTaylor21

    Mt. Rushmore my a**, more like on the side of an abandoned warehouse.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Jordan has that sixth ring.
    You know KB Bryant won’t rest until he has seven … or eight, or even nine.
    At this point, we’d be fools to doubt him.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    JTaylor and Kap (since BC is apparently retired in a Hakeem Olajuwan type of, you know he’s still around but not participating fashion) could have a nice little contest as to who hates a star player more, LeBron hate v Kobe hate.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    no we wouldn’t, once Phil retires Kobe’s done. And there is more logic in thinking that then doubting he wins any more titles.

  • JTaylor21

    AllBall, I feel where you’re getting at but Bron doesn’t need great footwork to dominate in the post. I remember that last night someone said that the Mia’s assistant coach who works with Bron, told him not to worry about trying to look pretty down here instead he should try to model his post game after Shaq, who used to take two hard dribbles and then rose up and overpowered his man to the hoop. When you have power why use finesse? That’s the same ish Bron needs to do in the post. He needs to work on establishing better position though because too many times he goes out to catch the ball instead of holding his ground and waiting for it to come to him.

  • JTaylor21

    Damn, NBK there you go again. When did I ever hate on Kobe today?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    That was a quote bk. We’ve already discussed the Kobe winning without Phil thing.
    Hornets are winning the next 5 titles anyway.
    Yeah, I heard that part of the broadcast to jt, I agree with it. Bron’s too strong to worry about finesse moves. Once he develops a nice touch down there he will be fine.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    LOL. “When did I ever hate on Kobe today”. Classic.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    JTaylor21 Posted: Jan.28 at 1:51 pm
    Mt. Rushmore my a**, more like on the side of an abandoned warehouse., ——– that took all of 6 seconds

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    AllBall, Hornets will be lucky to even keep Chris Paul the next 5 seasons, homie!

  • Logan

    Why go away from wade when he is on fire?? I would ride that hand all game long. lebron was bricking everything…i’m sure that put wade out of his groove

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Wade put himself out of his groove. FOr how bad LeBron played he was their only option late yesterday, Wade’s 4th quarter was blatantly horrible. It got so bad Kerr was questioning why Spoelstra wouldn’t call a timeout, and was criticizing Wade and James for waving off every play for an iso. Then on the next play, Spoelstra called a play, the team set up, Wade got the ball, waved joel anthony off and threw up a contested three that attacked the backboard and sparred the rim. It was horrendous

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Chris Paul is a Hornet for life! And a multiple MVP winner.

  • JTaylor21

    Nbk, ok maybe a little but if we’re going to put him on Mt.Rushmore, why not make room for Hondo? Also I saw that play you’re talking about and if I was in Wade’s shoe, I would have done the same thing. Who the hell wants a pick for Joel Anthony, knowing damn well that the defense is going to trap you because they don’t respect his sorry a** rolling to the rim. Why not have Bron be the one setting the pick in that situation?

  • JTaylor21

    *from Joel

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    JT – i brought that up earlier, I don’t know why Spoelstra refuses to use that option, unless its not Spoelstra that refuses, LeBron could just pop out too, he’s a 35% 3pt shooter that is very respectable, you can’t trap off of that. but I’m with you, I have no idea. If I was Wade in that situation though, I would not have shot that, it totally took him out of rhythm, got the team out of position and was the proverbial push down the hill that NY needed to start rolling. He shoulda forced a lay-up to try and get a call if he was gonna force somethin

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Matic, Chris Paul & Derrick Rose are facing off 3 times this month, if you count the ASG.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Yeah, I predict the home team will win each game. Rose will have better stats but Paul will have more assists and be more efficient and we’ll both still be bigging up our dude.
    But you’re delusional if you think Chris Paul is staying in Nawlins for his entire career.
    Even I’m not 100% convinced Rose will stay in Chicago his entire career, and he absolutely loves his hometown to death.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Oh, and I’m starting to think it would behoove the Knicks to wait out until the summer to sign Carmelo Anthony if for nothing else than to ensure they hang onto Chandler and Gallinari. Those two have really caught my eye this year.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I really think he will. I’m predicting some score lines in the 80′s lol. I think CP is going to be one of the all time greats that stays with one organisation his whole career.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Oh Rose is staying in Chicago Enig no need to worry about that, there is no reason for either to want to part ways at any point. Paul is gone the day he can, sorry but the Hornets don’t even have city assurance passed next season, Chris Paul wants championship contender assurance, let alone a place to live

  • Max

    Kobe Bryant is the Ben Roethlisberger of the NBA, or vice versa. Titles make people forget…

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Kobe Bryant did not do what Roethlisberger did. Totally different

  • http://Slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…jTaylor would easily win that contest. Lol

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Ha ha people are gonna think I’m crazy after reading this.
    nbk, I could possibly see Rose going to LA one day. It’s highly unlikely, but he spends his summers working out in LA. He loves it there.
    If the Bulls stumbled in the future I could see him bolting for the Clippers. Yes, it sounds crazy as sh*t but like I said, he loves LA.
    Eric Gordon is one of his best friends in the L, they played AAU ball together and came awfully close to signing with the same college. He’s also known Blake Griffin since high school cause they were all part of the same class.
    Plus he still has a lot of respect for Vinny Del Negro for some got damn reason.
    Like I said, very highly unlikely, but if I had to pick a team Rose would leave the Bulls for, it would be the Clips.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Deron Williams is on his way out of Utah too, lets not forget that.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall247

    Yeah he is. He’s not going to change the power balance of the L though.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    don’t understand what you mean by that, the powerbalance is in Miami, NYK, Orlando, CHicago, LA, LA, OKC for the future. So in a sense no he won’t, but he stands as much a chance of doing it as Chris Paul. Derrick Rose would just by leaving because he is on one of those teams, but Deron is no worse. If Deron Williams leaves Utah for the Clippers then the power balance in the west definitely shifts

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    AllBall, you having a hard time deciding on a screen name?
    Deron Williams going to say, Dallas, I think would definitely change some things.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    lol, don’t know why that happened enigmatic.
    bk, I meant that he’s not going to sign with a team then turn them into perenial contenders. He would not have the same effect as Chris Paul, because he is not as good as Chris Paul.
    Matic, would Dallas be able to afford him with their current roster?

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Dallas would have to make moves, it wouldn’t happen with the current roster regardless. And your opinion that Paul is better is just an opinion, most infact think the opposite. Either way, there is not a big enough difference between the two for one to make a power shift type difference and the other not to. They are equals, or as close to it as possible, you would accept that if you weren’t wearing a hornets jersey. His chances of shifting the power, or putting a team over the top are actually higher then paul IMO, mainly because he is durable, and fits in even if the ball isn’t in his hands.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Deron Williams is just as good as Chris Paul, if not better. Yeah, I went there : )

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    fck you bk.
    fck you enigmatic.
    When’s the next scheduled blow out loss to the knicks.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    March 2nd, AllBall. HA ha ha

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    How many players in the L are truly ‘untouchable’ right now. Blake Griffin is. I mean, what players wouldn’t be traded straight up for another player.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Griffin, James, Wade, Bryant, Durant, Rose, Howard, Duncan

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I like that list bk. Not sure about Timmy/Wade.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Well I put Duncan because the Spurs wouldn’t trade him for services rendered, and Wade would never get traded because he is Miami’s proverbial “best fisherman”

  • http://www.slamonline Nick Tha Quick

    ^^^You guys left out Keith Bogans. The man is Chicago to the bone!

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    nbk is right. The Spurs would have to be absolutely insane to trade Duncan, the best player in the franchise’s history and the main reason besides Pop that they won 4 titles. It would be even worse than when the Knicks traded Ewing or when the Rockets traded Olajuwan.
    And Wade is without a doubt untradeable.

  • lightsout

    ray with the oop! when was the last time we saw that from him? this guy is putting up better numbers than last year and having the best shooting season of his career. someone’s found the fountain of youth.

  • Egirl

    Eboy’s racist.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    What this dumb compulsion of Eboy’s to mention Filipinos every time he comments on Eric Spoelstra?

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Dwight can opt out after next season right? He should sign with the spurs. Tony, george hill, gary neal, rj, blair, splitter, and some tim and manu too. … Idk what spurs budget will look like, but im sure it can be worked out. Do it dwight, itll be the smartest thing u ever do. Forget the master of panic, join the master of defense and winning. …… Dwight to the spurs….dwight to the spurs…… Dwight to the spurs……

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Dwight to OKC would be epic.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    @Teddy – hey, at least he’s saying “Filipinos” now instead of “Phillipinos”. See, my dude is progressing!
    @Tarzan – Dwight should sign with ATL…just cause he’s from there, and a Dwight/Josh Smith reunion in their hometown would be hella dope. Sign and trade w/ Al Horford and whoever else to make it work.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Dwight doesnt want to go home and hang out with smoove. Not to mention larry drew. He wants to win championshipS PLURAL!! His best shot at that is in san antonio. This is my pipe dream, literally and figuratively. It makes perfect sense. He wants a defensive coach and team, and many rings. Do it dwight. Tims contract runs out then, im sure hed gladly take way less to accomodate dwight. 21 becomes 12. ……..

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