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Monday, January 17th, 2011 at 8:30 am  |  95 responses

Post Up: We Here Now

Blake Griffin and the Clips stand up to the Lakers.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

L.A. Clippers 99, L.A. Lakers 92

Is there any chance Donald Sterling can pay the NBA, like, a million-billion dollars, and the NBA can in turn allow the Clippers to replay the season’s first 25 games? Because all of a sudden, these guys are really ballin’, and it’s unfortunate just how uphill this uphill climb towards respectability is going to be. The Lakers thought they had a good hold of the Clips yesterday, but a late-third/early-fourth quarter run put the underdogs ahead, where they remained until the clock hit double zeros. Vinny Del Negro’s guys held on late, behind clutch hoops from Eric Gordon (30 points, 6 dimes), Baron Davis (14 points) and, of course, Blake Griffin, who went for 18 and 15 and did the majority of his damage in the second half. Kobe Bryant led the Lake Show with 27, though his team’s go-to move against the Clips was the dump-down to Andrew Bynum, who scored 18 (mostly easy) points and snatched 13 rebounds.

So what does this all mean? Tough to tell. The Lakers clearly aren’t in ready-for-postseason mode just yet, but it’s early enough for that not to be a problem at all. The Clippers, meanwhile, looked great, moved the ball well, showcased some exciting young guys, and got right in the faces of the defending champs, literally: Griffin and Lamar Odom verbally tussled in the game’s final 10 seconds, which resulted in the ejections of those two, Baron Davis (who approached Odom while yelling and shoving), and Ron Artest, expelled for some unknown reason. LAC now stands at 14-25, six games out of postseason contention and having won nine of their last 14. If they can pick it up even further, a Playoff push isn’t out of the picture—though it is still pretty unlikely. But, if nothing else, the intensity this squad continues to bring each night—exemplified by the way Griffin refused to back down from Odom and Co., shown in the video below—is all types of refreshing.

San Antonio 110, Denver 97

Some extra lining to the Spurs sitting at No. 1 in the West? The fact that they’re great at home (15-0 in their last, um, 15). Because if things continue down this path, they’ll be playing a lot of home games this May, and they’ll need a little advantage on groups with younger and fresher legs after playing those 83+ games. The Spurs added another W onto that home winning streak last night, easily defeating the Nuggets behind great showings from Tony Parker (30 points, 7 rebounds) and Manu Ginobili (18 points, 7 assists). Both teams’ starters got some rest late in the contest, and I think it’s safe to say that all this Carmelo trade talk is certainly becoming an on-the-court distraction for the Nugs. Not that Denver’s wrong to engage in a conversation or two, but with today’s news cycle, you need to step into the ring ready to hurry up and deal or avoid the mess altogether, because the consequences of allowing this saga to linger are too costly. Wins against the weak Cavs, LeBron-less Heat and struggling Suns are cool, but performances like this one in San Antonio indicate that the persistent rumors might be doing some damage.

Actual Stats: Tony Parker: 30 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 threes, 2 steals.

Moment of the Night: Let’s be real: Griffin wanted the rebound, and potentially one more bucket, so he could get to 20 points. At least that’d be my guess. Maybe he was going a little too hard with 5 seconds to go and the game entirely wrapped up, and maybe Odom felt he needed to check the rook. Understandable. Regardless, you gotta love Blake’s intensity—how he went hard until 0:00—and his attitude, with in his refusal to back down to the Laker vets. Dude might mess around and make the Clippers relevant, and who could possibly be mad at that?

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  • http://bugmarley.com LeoneL

    These refs have a quota on Ts or something?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Looked like Baron & Ron were trying to calm things down to me. I turned the game off before this happened, so thanks for the heads up Adam.

  • http://bugmarley.com LeoneL

    “and here comes Artest getting into it” Wow! He was trying to break it up.

    @AllBall, actually I think Baron made it worse as Blake was not even responding to Odom and then Baron just went in there to stand up for his PF.

  • Tupack Shackur

    Hahahaha you know anytime refs are working the Lakers game they’re thinking, “Man, if trouble breaks out I better get a hand on Ron Artest.”

  • http://slamonline.com riggs

    Odom has been such a douchebag since being on the lakers, this is just one of many times proving it.

  • sounddust

    Blake Griffin does not give a fark.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jordan

    what the hell just happened to my lakers…

  • MUBWAR

    So in my books, the clips are 2-0 against the Lakers this year if it wasn’t for Old man Fish last second shot. Thats great news for the clips but where does that leave the defending 2 time champs.

  • T-Money

    ron was a victim of his rep right there – he was pulling odom away. baron actuallys shoves odom so he deserved to go. blake didn’t retaliate but the nba likes to throw both guys out when there’s a scuffle. although he deserved to be ejected, i can see it from odom’s perspective: the only reason blake went hard for the board is that he wanted to keep his 20-10 streak going.

  • Bruno

    so if anyone is gonna count moral victories, the standings would look a lot different man just saying

  • KB8toSG8

    I’m not too worried about this loss. We had a HORRENDOUS 3pt shooting night (3/20…..seriously?!?!) and they got hot right in Q4 when their 3pt shots fell left and right. It doesn’t happen regularly and the Clips only managed to win by 7 when they managed to shoot nearly 50% from 3pt line…

  • izzo

    Not for one second did Artest look like he was “getting into it”, he did nothing but try to hold Odom back, while the ref was trying to prevent him from breaking it up which made it look much uglier than what it was, which was nothing really.

  • Jer-Dawg

    That was a compelling game from fan perspective. More Laker fans were cheering and booing than Clipper fans during the game, but it’s the Lakers that got humble pie leaving early due to the fact the Clippers had changed the outcome with their fight and resolve after being down 10 during 3rd quarter Laker run. Really excited to see Clippers win and not back down.

  • http://slamonline.com biged

    blake griffin is a problem, give credit were cridit is due

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    Since no one wants to talk about the Spurs, im just gonna say that since the back-to-back loses against NY and Boston, we won 6 in a row and more importantly our defense has improved. I just wish Splitter would be in the rotation right now, he could be handy against L.A size.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    The refs probably have a motto: When in doubt, give a tech to Ron Artest.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    I personally find this mean streak from Griffin a little refreshing. For a rookie to not back down and dominate these vets like this physically, and then turn around and stare them down and let them know that he has no fear of them or their game is great. Its what KG used to do. Then he got sick of the subtleness and just start MF’n everyone.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, there was no need to throw Artest out.

  • http://bassbesteck@wordpress.com Bassbesteck

    Lol when griffin goes bgeteween all the players at the end of the fight he’s like: “Come on guys stop. I’ll dunk on each of them the next time around and we’re all good? Aight?”

    There at 0:22… Just look at it^^

  • T-Money

    Anthony: The only thing is Splitter is not very good right now. Pop doesn’t have any agenda – if you can play, you’ll play. It’s funny that Splitter was hyped as a skilled big like Scola, Gasol, Dirk just because he was Euro. Pop was joking at the start of the year that writers were expecting him to shoot 3s just because he’s Euro!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Splitter is not e Euro, he is from Brazil.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I love Blake Griffin.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Ron/Fisher shot 4-18fgs and Lakers shot 3-20 behind 3 point line. This game does not matter. I am happy Clips are winning, but they need new ownership.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    The Spurs are built for the regular season. Too much scoring, not enough defence. Not enough size for Bynum/Gasol/Odom.

  • http://www.sportivore.com/2010/05/best-point-guard-on-the-planet-is-still-chris-paul-sorry-deron-williams/ AllBall

    The game doesn’t matter for LAL, it’s another good win for the up and coming Clips. Come play-off time LAL are going to be the best in the West, Boston/Miami the best in the East.

  • http://slamonline.com riggs

    lakers win fan says hey its what they do. Lakers lose, fans say game didnt matter theyre waiting for the playoffs. STFU already.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    At least Griffin respects Odom. In that clip, Blake showed Lamar respect.

  • http://www.sportivore.com/2010/05/best-point-guard-on-the-planet-is-still-chris-paul-sorry-deron-williams/ AllBall

    co-sign Philosopher. riggs, who are you talking about? I’m not a Lakers fan, its common knowledge that they play at a different level in the post season.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    J-E-T-S

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    All the games matter. Where it not for homecourt (and Perk going down) the Lakers would not have been champs last year. So every game matter.

  • http://www.sportivore.com/2010/05/best-point-guard-on-the-planet-is-still-chris-paul-sorry-deron-williams/ AllBall

    When the players start playing like every game matters, ill take your word for it Lz.

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    I hate it when people use ” if then” statements like they actually are valid arguments…. If the Blazers drafted the best talent available ,rather than for need in 84 ,then they would have won six championships….. Give me a break

  • robb

    Blame Baron Davis. Nothing would’ve happened but he came in like a jerk pushing everybody. Ron did nothing to deserve a tech. Something has to be done with these refs.

  • http://slamonline.com riggs

    @allball: youre not the first or last person whom i have heard or will hear that BS from.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    So I take back my “Dwyane Wade & LeBron James are equally important to Miami so far this season” statements. LeBron is clearly the MVP of that team, and presumably the whole league, again. Look at Cleveland

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    AllBall; maybe the players don’t realize it – not all of them are the fastest cars on the track you know – but all the games do indeed matter. Better believe that Phil, Pop & co. knows every game matter; why do you think all their b!tching and mind games goes on all through the reg.season…

  • JTaylor21

    I love how LA fans are already dismissing the spurs, better wait for the post season to come before you start making bold statement of them only being built for the RS.

  • Bruno

    cosign royal at 12:23

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    The Spurs kind of are built for the regular season. Unless ofcourse your under the impression that teams win championships shooting threes, and are relatively week down low. I mean unless in your opinion an aging Tim Duncan, w/ Matt Bonner, Dejuan Blair, and Tiago Splitter is a championship caliber stable of big men….

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Exactly JTaylor. I mean Pop usually knows what he is doing, to think that he just will be satisfied with a bunch of RS wins in what must be one of Duncan’s last season is pretty naive.. The Spurs are balling and my money is on that they will be balling come the playoffs. I am not saying they are getting past LAL but it is very naive to just dismiss them as contenders. Anyways LAL fans are what they are…

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Horrible English, bear with me; typed while on the phone…

  • JTaylor21

    NBK, what do mean the spurs are built for the RS? Is it written in some kind of “Rules to winning in the Playoffs” book? Alot of teams have won in the playoffs without a stable of big men, so the logic you go by is useless.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ron Artest fell victim to the RON ARTEST! They will rescind the tech.
    Spurs shouldn’t have the bulk to contain the let’s inside, but the lakers can’t hang with manu and parker. Who does fisher guard and who does Kobe rest on? Jefferson with arrest on manu? It all depnds on who exploits their mismatxh better and we know pop and jackson are equal as coaches.

  • http://twitter.com/BeezKneezy LA Huey

    Griffin deserved to be ejected. You can’t let a dude grab you by the shirt and try to throw you against the basket support.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    @nbk — Not debating LeBron’s MVP candidacy, but trying to validate LeBron’s MVP credibility by pulling out the “look at Cleveland now” card has no merit.
    You build a team around one guy’s talents, with role players that are catered around one guy’s strengths. These are known role guys. No one said they were anymore than solid role players. But they did their jobs well, and they made it to 60+ wins.
    Now, you take out the franchise player and replace him with nobody. What do you think is going to happen?

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    Griffin is a beast. I like when he exhibits beasthood. It makes me happy.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Oh yeah JTaylor teams win championships all the time without big men….wait no they don’t, ever. They still have Tim Duncan but he does not dominate both ends of the court like he used to. SA will compete but they aren’t going to win a title. The only way that happens is if they get lucky and don’t have to play a healthy LA, and then run into Miami or Orlando in the finals and hope Poppovich can outsmart his counterpart. Other then that, the Spurs are the exact same team that got swept by Phoenix last season, they are just shooting better this year. Plus you don’t think Poppovich already knows that? Why do you think they are playing so well in the regular season? you think its really because they are going to switch up their style of play on April 15th? or because Poppovich knows this year more then any other, homecourt is imperative if they want to win, so is the “spurs are back” intimidation factor he is building up through this season. If he thought they were really a title team I’m pretty sure they would be playing “playoff style” basketball like every year, just pacing themselves.

  • http://www.sportivore.com/2010/05/best-point-guard-on-the-planet-is-still-chris-paul-sorry-deron-williams/ AllBall

    lol, i’m not a LAL fan. The only bias I have is towards Chris Paul & the Hornets. San An are built for the regular season.
    Lz, if every game mattered, Coaches wouldn’t rest players at the end of regular season. Pop rests players throughout the season. Thinking about it, every game matters, but the result of every game does not.
    Riggs, do you not think that LAL play at a different level in the post season? Every team does! But with some (Boston, LAL) who have been through long regular seasons together before, the dip in intensity at some points is more profound.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Tealish I know very well teams fall off when they lose their best player. But find me a time in history a team has gone from 60+ wins 3 straight seasons to less then 20 when they lose their best player. People were talking about cleveland as championship caliber the last few years, and now they are going to win 40 less games because one player is gone. The only comparable time I can think of was the year David Robinson got hurt and SA tanked to get the first pick (Tim Duncan). And that isn’t the only thing I’m using to say LeBron is probably the MVP again, even though he won’t win it. Miami is also mightily struggling without him. And then we could bring up his actual on-court production if you want. I didn’t think people would take that part of my comment as my end-all be all reason for why he’s mvp

  • http://www.sportivore.com/2010/05/best-point-guard-on-the-planet-is-still-chris-paul-sorry-deron-williams/ AllBall

    Co-sign NBK, on the Spurs, and on Bron being the MVP so far.

  • Max

    Spurs 10-11 Champs…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Bahaha, major UMAD moment for Lamar Odom. Blake Griffin busted his @ss yesterday. I don’t blame him.
    And Eric Gordon NEEDS to be in the All-Star discussion.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Did Blake Griffin really get ejected? What the f*ck?

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    You fools hating on the spurs crack me up. Built for the reg season??! That has to be the dumbest/funniest thing ive ever seen on slam. Seriously. ….. Yea they shoot alot of 3s, but they are good shots taken by really good shooters. They also live in the paint. They arent the suns just chucking 3s whenever. Watch a spurs game and count the number of bad shots they take. 2? 3 maybe. If that. Tim is still tim, his defense in the paint is excellent. Bonner, blair, mcdyess play their roles very well. Tiago, is coming along. George hill and gary neal will destroy any teams bench. Jefferson is a new player, pop fixed him. …. It looks good. Hca throughout would be very nice.

  • http://www.sportivore.com/2010/05/best-point-guard-on-the-planet-is-still-chris-paul-sorry-deron-williams/ AllBall

    Fools? There style of play has not had success in the post season in recent years. I’ve seen a lot dumber on this site before. I’m not hating, I just don’t think there as good as their record, or as good as the Lakers. They remind me of the Piston team that went 36-5 over the 1st 41. That team lost in the ECF.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    @NBK — don’t get it wrong, I’m not disputing his MVP worth the years he won it. And I’m definitely not assuming that’s your only reason. Of course his on court play is enough of an MVP case to be in the discussion.
    I’m just saying it’s not a valid reason to bring up Cleveland s*cking balls right now.
    Forget the end result of the Cavaliers looking like an average high school team for just a second — I can’t think of anytime in history where a team that was built entirely (very well, mind you) around one superstar, won 60+ games, and lost that one guy the very next year without getting ANYONE else in return. Maybe I’m forgetting a situation like that.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Allball – this is a little random, but how has Ariza been this year? haven’t heard much on him this year but his numbers look good.

  • http://www.sportivore.com/2010/05/best-point-guard-on-the-planet-is-still-chris-paul-sorry-deron-williams/ AllBall

    Tarzan, they remind me of that Detroit team in terms of steaming through the regular season, every guy playing there role brilliantly. Not in there actual styles of play.

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    co-sign Tarzan, it will be funny to watch the opposing team trying to guard TP and Manu come Playoffs time.

  • http://www.sportivore.com/2010/05/best-point-guard-on-the-planet-is-still-chris-paul-sorry-deron-williams/ AllBall

    Just checked his numbers, their solid, but his shooting % is terrible. From watching, I thought those would be higher, he’s hit a lot of big shots. I think he’s been great, his athleticism and defence is needed, as well as his versatility.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    What is THEIR style of play? Again, THEY’RE not chucking like the suns. They run a very smooth offense that gets them good open looks. Spurs also get in the paint often with tony and manu. They play inside out. Some people see THEIR numbers and think they just chuck 3s like suns and knicks, but that is just not the case. youre free to think what you want, however incorrect you are. The playoffs are the proving ground.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Anthony, then hill and neal come in and keep the pressure on. Spurs easily have the best backcourt in the league

  • http://www.sportivore.com/2010/05/best-point-guard-on-the-planet-is-still-chris-paul-sorry-deron-williams/ AllBall

    The up tempo style that they play, coupled with them not being good defensively. Your right, we will see in the play-offs.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Sergio

    The spurs are healthy. They are the only contender that hasn’t have to deal with injuries. But as everyone knows, somebody always gets hurt. Let’s see then how good they are.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    The Clippers beat the Lakers. It was a marvelous day. Signed, Billy Crystal

  • http://www.sportivore.com/2010/05/best-point-guard-on-the-planet-is-still-chris-paul-sorry-deron-williams/ AllBall

    The Raptors just got screwed. CP played his worst game of the year, and the Hornets played terrible (goes hand in hand really), but they got ALL the calls down the stretch. Thats 8 out of the last 10 won for NOH.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Shaq left Orlando and they were still very competitive. That’s the only one I can think of off the top of my head

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Tarzan stop bringing up the suns. They got swept by Phoenix with the same roster except 2 players. And they aren’t getting younger

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Check their pace numbers, theyre really not playing ‘up tempo’. They push whenever possible, but only take good shots. Not good defensively??? That was a dumb thing to say. Sure, spurs arent def juggernaut they were, but saying theyre not good at it is just retarded. Their defense has been improving as the season moves forward. …….. Nbk, check the 454 post, thats why I brought up the suns. Ill bring up anyone I damn well please and you can suck it trebek. And the spurs have gotten younger. Have you not been paying attn?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Why should Tarzan stop bringing up the Suns? He’s a Spurs fan, so he hates the Suns and enjoys they’re struggles so far. I’d enjoy to see the team that swept mines last year struggling too(but my team is LAL, so that isn’t possible this year)

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    *(at the moment anyway)

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    nbk, we didnt have any rhythms coming into the playoff last year, with our big 3 dealing with injuries all season long and RJ is not the same player, at all. Our bench is a lot more productive, every player (except Splitter) know their role. That’s a HUGE difference from last year, even though the roster looks the same, we’re a lot more stronger. Im not saying we’ll win the title or that we’ll beat L.A but we’re not Dallas ’07 either.

  • http://skldflf.com Jukai

    And as much as I hate the Spurs, I gotta say that as a Suns fan, we overperformed in the playoffs last year and obliterated the Spurs running on Nash going 2005 on everyone, Richardson going above anything he’s ever played, and Dragic toying with my emotions and making me think he’s better than he actually is.
    The Spurs are for real, and you CAN win a championship working the run-n-gun offense (take a look at the Showtime Magic) as long as you got one or two defenders backing it up. And uh, the Spurs still have Duncan, right?

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    B.L.A.K.E! Waoh!!!

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Phantom, I dont hate the suns. And dont really eenjoy their struggles. I only brought them up, cuz someone, I think allball said up tempo teams cant win, and I said the spurs arent the suns…… ….. Jukai speaks the truth right there. Frye had a great playoffs, and dragic had the fn game of his life. The suns, in general, seemed to make every shot they put up. It was wild. Funny how spurs haters point out how they were swept by the suns, but not how they beat dallas as a 7 seed. And going into the playoffs, many said the spurs were done(how many times have we heard that?) and had no chance of beating dallas. This years spurs have improved in nearly every conceivable way, and im excited at their prospects in the playoffs.

  • Harrell

    Well, it looks like L.A. fans still have that pole up their ass, The size la has irrelevant(they don’t let bynum or gasol put up huge numbers) because as ong as rat nose keeps hoisting shoots they’re very venurable and one dimensional. Pop can and will exploit that also, Tony Parker as I said in summer top 5 PG the rings prove it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I am starting to wonder if Paul Pierce is on hgh. Seriously.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And Charles just said drose is better than dwill. Somebody get him a donut his blood sugar must be low.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    GREAT performance by the Bulls today.
    Rose finally got that triple double.
    But the performance of the day HAS to go to Blake Griffin. This kid is outta this world!
    47 points and 14 boards? By a rookie?! Best rookie PF since Tim Duncan! Maybe best rookie, PERIOD, since TD.

  • http://skldflf.com Jukai

    This Orlando-Boston game is fantastic. Best game I’ve seen in a while.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Who got a better stepback Paul Pierce or Manu Ginobli?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The eastern conference playoffs are going to be so epic this year. So effing epic. I really cannot wait.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Matter of fact who is a better player pierce or manu? That is a tough call for me. Both are so crafty and clutch. It kind of depends on the night you cath.them.

  • http://skldflf.com Jukai

    Allen: Is Manu allowed to travel? If so, Manu. Definitely.
    This is going back and fourth, it’s pretty epic

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I said don’t bring up Phoenix for two reasons, Phoenix style of play is more efficient offensively (up until this year obviously) then everyone in the league, over the last decade… Including San Antonio, they also weren’t a championship caliber team but MAYBE one year. And they beat this exact same spurs team in 4 straight last year. Find a time in history a team got swept, kept the majority of their roster and didn’t change a core player and won a championship the next year.. Go ahead, it’ll take a while.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dwight howard is he best.big.man in the league by a wide.margin. sorry all you dirk, gasol and garnett fans.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Did y’all know that in roughly 50 percent of his seasons derek fisher has been sub 40 percent from the field?

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    Didn’t know that Allen, but a high proportion of his limited shots are probably from distance. Still, sub 40 for half his career is quite the stat.

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    nbk, L.A was swept by the Spurs in ’99 and won the next year, it took me less than 1 minute to find just by memory. Now you will argue that Phil wasnt there in ’99, alright fine. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the subject.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    nbk, this isnt the exact same spurs team, gary neal is a great addition. and pop did change a core player, jefferson. just not change in the sense you meant, but rj is way better than last season.

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  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Gary Neal in no way, puts a team over the top, and Richard Jefferson is playing well in the regular season, he will get smashed, smothered, and abused against elite wings. San Antonio is a good team, a western conference threat, but not for a championship…not currently constructed. Phil Jackson is a huge addition, can’t believe you think that Phil isn’t the reason they won the title, or 5 of them.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    @Allenp – the step back question regarding Paul Pierce vs Manu…? The answer depends on the likely hood that Manu would get called for a travel…?

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    @nbk – Which elite wings will Richardson come up against again???
    Utah – Kirilenko
    Denver – Carmelo, Afflalo
    OKC – Durant
    LAL – Odom, Artest
    POR – Batum, Matthews
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    Thats just a sample for Richard Jeffs match ups in possible playoffs… and the ONLY guy that would concentrate PURELY on defending RJ is Artest. The other guys would be trying to beat him offensively (particularly Durant and Carmelo).
    I guess my question really is…until the Spurs get to a finals match up against a Miami or a Boston… WHICH ELITE SF will Richard actually struggle against?

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    He is struggling against all small forwards right now. Averaging 4.6 on like 22% shooting over his last 5 games…..Poppovich didn’t put his miracle cure to anything, Jefferson was just in a very good rhythm. The player he truly is, is somewhere right inbetween. Defitnitely not what he used to be

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