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Wednesday, January 5th, 2011 at 8:50 am  |  118 responses

Post Up: Put Your Hands Up

Knicks shock the Spurs, while the Heat keep cruising.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

New York 128, San Antonio 115

The Spurs, in the opening night of a three-game road trip, seemed like they might’ve spent a little too much time thinking about their matchup with Boston (tonight) and not enough on the Knicks, who were up first. New York came out firing hot, scoring 72 first-half points and finishing with a 54.9 percent shooting rate. For what it’s worth, San Antonio put up tons of points as well, but the Knicks kept a narrow lead for the majority of the 48 minutes and created some separation in the final stretch. Oddly, with about three minutes remaining and only a 10-or-so point differential, Coach Popovich took out all of his starters, either as a punishment for their weak effort or an attempt to save some energy for tonight’s game. The Knicks were led by the (suddenly) usual three dudes: Wilson Chandler (31 points, 9 rebounds), Amar’e Stoudemire (28 points, 9 rebounds) and Raymond Felton (28 points, 7 assists). They’ll have some solid momentum as they begin a road trip in Phoenix on Friday, and, well, let’s just say I wouldn’t want to be the Celtics right about now. Something tells me the Spurs are coming out real, real serious tonight.

Miami 101, Milwaukee 89

Here’s an interesting element to the way the Heat play: For long stretches of time, they often look like an incredibly average basketball team. You watch a few quarters of this, and you think, Man, with a solid strategy and some great shooting, anyone can beat these guys. Then they turn it on. No group can go on a quick scoring run like these guys can. Not a one. And that’s exactly what they did in the fourth quarter last night, negating three mediocre quarters and earning an easy victory. The W marks 19 of 20 for the Heat, who were led by Dwyane Wade and his 34 points.

Chicago 111, Toronto 91

As much as Orlando has been winning as of late (six in a row), they still can’t crack the top 3 in the East—and the Bulls are to blame. Chicago has now won five straight (and 14 of 16), and the Raptors just couldn’t keep up against the red hot home team. Luol Deng dropped 24, and six Bulls scored in double figures during the victory.

Memphis 110, Oklahoma City 105

Don’t really know what’s going on here. The Thunder haven’t really looked bad—they’ve won plenty and are among the top teams in the West (they’re in fifth as I write this)—but it’s hard to watch them on a nightly basis, or look at a couple of the teams they’re behind in the standings, and not think, You know, they could, or should, be better. I won’t speculate as to what exactly the issue is or where the blame should go—maybe you guys have some thoughts—but I’ll definitely be paying attention moving forward. This one was pretty close, but the Grizzlies held the Thunder off in the final minutes, getting huge nights from Zach Randolph (31 points, 16 boards) and Rudy Gay (27 points).

Dallas 84, Portland 81

A slightly different story than that Spurs-Knicks game here. In a defensive struggle, the Mavs edged the Blazers and looked as though they found themselves a solid Caron Butler replacement, too. Deshawn Stevenson, that is, who scored 18. Dallas hosts the Thunder tomorrow night in what should be a good one.

Atlanta 108, Sacramento 102

The Hawks took a 14-point lead into halftime, and though the Kings threatened in the final minutes—some Tyreke Evans buckets held with that—Atlanta hung on for the win. Jamal Crawford and Joe Johnson combined for a cool 60 spot, while Evans led the Kings with 29. I know they need to do what’s best for Tyreke’s health, but given all of these losses, it’s tough to imagine just how bad Sacramento would be if Evans elects to go with season-ending surgery—which, at this point, seems kind of inevitable.

LA Lakers 108, Detroit 83

The Lakers might not have solved all of their problems just yet, but they did put them on hold for the time being, cruising to an easy victory against a severely less talent Pistons squad. After a back-and-forth first half, LA came out energized and focused, and their opponents just didn’t stand much of a chance. And I’ll end this shindig with a congrats to Mr. Kobe Bryant, who, with 17 points of his own, passed Dominique Wilkins for 10th on the all-time scoring list. Respect.

Actual Stats: Zach Randolph: 31 points, 16 rebounds, 2 steals.

Moment of the Night: Not much went right for the Spurs last night, but they did get a hell of a posterization from DeJuan Blair, who banged on Ronny Turiaf something fierce. Ronny’s frustration led to a chest bump, then a T, but it didn’t help us forget what took place seconds before. Check it:

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Don’t be mad, Ronny, you just got smashed on!

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    In other Knicks Knews: Landry Fields once again takes the NBA Rookie of the Month honors for the Eastern Conference! I told you that Knicks neophyte is flirting with ROY, but the most important thing to Landry Fields, is the Knicks are winning and grinning! Great win last night! Go Knicks!

  • Mike from Spain

    Maybe the question is not what’s wrong with OKC, but what is right with Memphis. They won a blow up victory against the Lakers not long ago, they are on to something

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I’m sure Coach Pop isn’t getting all tingly over that Blair dunk…due to the fact the Spurs just got served an L at THE WORLD’S MOST FAMOUS ARENA!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Anon e Mouse

    Great dunk but even greater scalp for the Knicks so I’ll take Turiaf getting stuffed on any day. Keep contending thise shots and ignore the posters! A couple more of these types of wins will do the team a world of good. Oh yeah…Go Knicks!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I think the Knicks will have this ability all season, to beat teams that are better than them overall, depending on the night. They caused the Spurs problems because the Spurs don’t really have the horses to win games in the 120 point range. It’s pretty simple actually. D’Antoni’s Suns teams did the same thing. I’ll say this, I despise the Knicks (not this particular group of guys though)and it’s nice to see them relevant again. It’s good for the league to have good teams go into the Garden and get a good game instead of embarrassing losses for the home squad.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Two things.
    1. When is the new Slam coming out? I can’t wait any longer :P 2. No article on the Slam Dunk Contest? It will be Blake Griffin, Javale McGee, Brandon Jennings, Serge Ibaka according to numerous sites, including the LA Times. It’s supposed to be announced tommorow night.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    ^eboy..
    true that

  • T-Money

    They still won’t get out of the first round. And I don’t think they’ll even be that competitive in that first round.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    “The New York Knicks kicked our ass,” Popovich said after the Knicks beat the team with the best record in the NBA 128-115. “I just know that they’re a very good basketball team,” Popovich said. “They’re not a dangerous team; they’re a good team, and there’s a big difference. A lot of teams can be dangerous on a night. But they’re sound. They’re playing their roles, they’re playing together, they’re communicating, and the physicality was impressive. The 128 points were the most San Antonio has allowed in regulation in the Tim Duncan era. “They made us play their game instead of us making them play our game,” Duncan said.

  • Mvp23100

    @T-Money
    I agree all hype not enough talent respect to them for finding ways to win though

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Uhm, Orange, they tried that sh*t with the Heat twice too and you saw how that worked out. Are they going to roll over the Celtics in a 7 game series? Or the Heat? Or the Magic? They would probably struggle in a series with the Bulls too. They still have work to do and spots to fill. They’re getting there, but don’t let last nights win overshadow their direct competition in the East. I know it’s been awhile for Knicks fans.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Coach Pop is a mentally strong truth teller. Some folks just can’t handle the truth, so they make excuses, and call things flukes. smh

  • monkeyball

    The problem this season is that it’s very hard to really gauge which teams are superior, really. The reason, from what I can see, is that there are too many truly awful teams playing in the League this year. Sure, the Lakers beat the Pistons, but does that tell us anything about their team-chemistry problems? No. The Pistons just suck. I saw the Bulls beat the Sixers by 45 the other night. Does that really tell me anything about the Bulls? Not really.
    If the good teams know that they can pad their records with easy wins, it makes sense that they won’t worry about losing to an above-average team (like the Spurs to the Knicks). And if San Antonio loses to Boston tonight? They still have the best record in the L.
    I remember other years like this, in the mid-to-late 90′s for example, right after Toronto and Vancouver came into the L. It sucks, and takes away from a great season otherwise.
    It also doesn’t bode well for the players in the current contract agreement dispute.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I can’t wait to see the Celts/Spurs game tonight. Should be a great one.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    If Chicago can find an upgrade at the SG positon then all teams not named Boston in the East are in trouble.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    ORANGE – I love how you’re missing on these threads the past week when New York was losing. One damn win and your back to you’re annoying a$$ winning and grinning sh*t. If you’re gonna talk that junk after a win, take the heat after a loss.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Bulls had TWO really good SG’s in the past couple of seasons. One’s in Detroit now and the other’s in Milwaukee.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You know, during their heyday, the Bulls would often look “normal” for stretches. Then, typically in the third quarter, they would “release the dobermans” crush the other teams resistance, and basically get a comfortable win. If it was a bad team, they would often blow them out with that run. They Heat aren’t as good as those Bulls’ teams yet, but they seem to employ the same strategy.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I’m talking about this years team that is tied for the second seed in the East and has not got the credit they deserve because of sideshows in the Southeast.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Soulja boy (DeShawn) has been contributing for the Mavs this season, great job. Hope Dirk’s knee isn’t being downplayed

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    And Salmons sucks BTW.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m surprised at how well the Bulls are playing without Noah. Maybe they should have made that Melo deal after all…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Salmons sucks? Are you friggin’ serious? Dude has really good offensive skill. He’s not top 5 in the league but the dude holds his own against the elite. Also, when you say “tied” for the second seed in the East are you talking about some unseen rule the NBA employs that allows teams with less wins and more losses to stand over another division leader. I’ve never seen that before.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Co-sing Allen.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Ben Gorden sucks too. There’s a reason casual viewers of Bulls games liked him but true Bull sfans hated him. The dude was a gunner that was just out to get his. He didn’t play any D, he stalled the offense, he took the ball out of DRose’s hands, and he was undersized. Worst of all, he wanted $11 mil a year. Bulls were right to let him go. They were right to let Solmons go too. They messed up letting Kirk go.

  • JTaylor21

    The Knicks ain’t winning ish in the playoffs until they decide to play defense. This is not the WC, where few teams play any D at all which allowed a team like the PHX suns to get to the WCF. This is the east where Bos, Orl, Mia and Chi know that defense first is the key in the playoffs. When your best player almost gives up as many points as he scores, you know you’re in deep trouble.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I’m only repeating facts. Salmons has been awful this season and played awful which led to his trade last year from Chi.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Has anyone noticed that the Spurs are not a really good defensive team like in the past? They have been winning with offense all year. I really don’t seem them staying this hot for the whole season especially with Duncan having a typical Duncan season. He has struggled in several games.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    It helps that the Bulls are playing a bunch of sub .500 teams. They’ll need Noah if they want to compete against the good teams with huge front lines.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @AllenP, the Bulls started off with a tough schedule, including the annual circus road trip, and now they have some easy games. Any bulls fan realizes that if there ever were a time for Noah, or any player for that matter, to miss time it would be now. Playing well with Noah doesn’t mean in ANY WAY that Melo would work out. I think it would but this ain’t proof.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    *with=without Noah

  • MusketeerX

    The truth is that the Knicks just match up well with the Spurs, who lack offensive size. The reason the Knicks won last night was not because they put up 129 points, but because they equaled the Spurs on boards, +1. The reason why the Knicks lost to Miami (twice), Boston, and Orlando, is because they got outrebound on the boards.

    I’m telling you now. If you put Anderson Varajao on this Knicks team, with his defense and ability to get boards, and hustle, the Knicks would be one of the best teams in the NBA right now.

  • add

    didnt see that one comin

  • T-Money

    Honest question: why is KD considered to have a “killer instinct” or “clutch genes”? What’s on his track record? Everytime I watch him at the end of games, he jacks up a wild 28 footer.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    T-Money, the quick answer: WC Turkey 2010.

  • JTaylor21

    Sideshow Bob is not going to cure the Knicks defensive woes. Last nights game vs the Knicks wasn’t the kind of game TD would play well in because it was a up and down fast paced game. People need to stop acting like TD is done already, he changed up his game for the good of the team and they have the best record in the L because of that. Now if the folks down in LA can convince the notorious h.o.g to do the same, LA would be that much better also but we all know that will never happen.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I agree that the Bulls schedule has been favorable, but since I’ve said that you hvae to play the schedule you have when the same issue has been raised for Miami, it would be hypocritical for me to downplay the Bulls’ success for that reason.
    Besides, as we’ve seen with the Lakers, it’s quite easy to lose to horrible teams even if you have a bunch of talent.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Yeah, Fiba WC 2010, the more important the games got, the better KD got, he was so sick, people were seriously including him in the Kobe, Bron group. Obviously, those talks have cooled of now, but KD is still super smooth and the sky is the limit for him. Thinking about it, the league really has a nice trio of young players in Rose, Griffin, KD.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @AllenP, that’s why getting Melo (bunch of talent) doesn’t neccesarily get the Bulls a title. I like this Bulls team (not assuming they’re getting a titlle people, cool down) with Drose at the helm, Boozer, Deng, Noah as sidekicks and Thibodeau the coach. I think the Bulls organization likes this team too :P

  • JTaylor21

    I didn’t know that irrelevant WC games counted as regular and post-season NBA games, when did that happen? KD is so overrated it’s not even funny. Apart from scoring, what else is he great at? He’s not a great rebound for someone his size, he still struggles defensively, he can’t create good looks for his teammates, his handles is shaky around physical defenders, and he panics during crunchtime, jacking up deep 30fts. I mean what’s all the hype for and weren’t there people that said dude could easily drop 33/10/50/40/90 this year. To be honest, Westbrook is OKC’s most importanat and best all-around player.

  • Double j

    Ronny Turiaf = The Skinny Eddy Curry

  • Stepfan

    The problem with the Thunder is that they refuse to play any type of D like they did last year. They are no longer flying under the radar, and the every team in the NBA scouting reporting is to attcak the paint since they dont have a true big man. (Sorry Serge.) But for some reason every time Jeff Green doesnt have a good game they lose. KD and Westbrook bring it every night, but if Jeff doesnt they dont have a chance. I wish memphis would play like this every night. There is no reason why they shouldnt make the playoffs. (I use both of these teams on 2k11.)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Durant is better than Westbrook. Westbrook makes just as many bad decisions, has just as many if not more holes in his game, and has the added benefit of not having to carry the burden of being the “man” night in and night out. Let’s kill that ridiculous talk about Westbrook being better.
    The truth is, fans have unrealistic expectations for Durant after watching him dominate inferior individual competition in Turkey.
    Nobody in Turkey could match Durant’s size and athletic ability, let alone his skill. In the NBA, he sees players regularly who are just as big and athletic, and it negates how effective his skill can be. Plus, his biggest asset is his soft touch, and when his jumper’s not falling, he’s still not at the level where he can dominate a game.
    Plus, as Stepfan said, the Thunder don’t play defense and rebound like they should, and Scott Brooks can be unimaginative on offense. (Damn, how many times are we going to end games on a Durant iso on the wing, or a 1/3 pick and pop?)
    Dude is still nice, he’s just not on LeBron’s level like some people thought. Mistakes happen.

  • JTaylor21

    No one said that Westbrook was the better player just the better all-around player. Dude is probably the best rebounding PG not named Jkidd or CP, he’s a very good defender, and is also a very good passer. Those are areas of the game that KD struggles in, so why do some people see it as ludacris to say that Russ’s the better all-around player. Didn’t OKC go into Bos and win vs a healthy celtic team without their “best” player?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Jtaylor, first you diss KD, but you don’t have the guts to say Russ is THE best player in OKC, oh no, he’s the best all-around and most important player, just say he’s the best. KD will be one of the best in the league. Leading the league in scoring at 21 is nothing right? Looks easy to me. Finishing 2nd in MVP voting at 21. Easy. Leading a B-Team, that alot of people thought would lose to a title. Playing the turkish squad in Turkey in the Final game and dominate. Easy. Having 29 games of 25+ points in a row easy, the only player who had more was Mike with 40. The rest of the league never did it. Don’t hate on him. He’s 22. He’s gifted. He will be great.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    How can you be the better all-around player, and be the better player? Don’t we judge “better” on all-around play? You could have said Westbrook was more versatile, but you can’t say he’s “better all-around” and expect that not to be taken as you saying he’s just better.
    Besides, Westbrook is turnover prone, he still struggles to control temp, his offensive aresenal is limited, he takes WAY too many long jumpers, and he gambles a lot on defense.
    His passing is not on an elite level, despite his assist total.
    I saw that Boston game, in crunch time, the game degenerated into Westbrook jacking up contested jumpers off the pick and roll because he couldn’t create a quality shot for himself or his teammates against the the full attention of Boston’s defense. I think he finished with like 25 or 28 points on nearly as many shots. It was a nice win, but more the result of Boston sleeping, than Westbrook killing the entire game.
    Simply put, Durant’s basketball IQ is higher than Westbrook’s, his burden is heavier, and he’s done an admirable job of carrying it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    “No one said that Westbrook was the better player just the better all-around player.” THat is a better player, and no he isn’t.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Didn’t we have this conversation about Russel Westbrook and Derrick Rose? People started actin like Russel was the best player in the league after that Boston game, its getting taken out of proportion with this he’s better then Durant bs.

  • Stepfan

    To be honest, I got caught up in the all media hype after the Thunder took LA to seven games in the first round of the playoffs. (and maybe the Thunder did too). The thing is this team hasnt improved from last year. And I hate to sound like a broken record but they don’t play D at all compared to last year. Their fast break points compared to last year have went down since they dont get stops like they use to. KD and that team are the future of the NBA that’s if they can find a post pressence and keep the core of KD, Westbrook, Jeff Green, and James “Old man game” Harden together.

  • JTaylor21

    Alright the word I was looking for was versitale, my fault Allen. Still what makes KD so great apart from his scoring ability? People act like this is the first time a 6-10 player ever scored the way KD does, remeber a guy by the name of LBird. He was a better pure shooter, a better passer, a better rebounder, and even though it hurts me to say this; a better defender than KD. Let’s not even talk about both player’s clutch abilities. I doubt that people back then were gassing up a young bird the same way people today gas up KD and if they did, the hype was warranted in Bird’s case.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Westbrook is nice. Really, really nice. But certain folks who don’t like Durant are going overboard these days.
    Kind of the way people who don’t like Kobe started to overrate Gasol.
    Or the people who thought LeBron would cede dominance to Wade on the Heat.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Larry Bird was called basketball Jesus. Hype doesn’t get much higher then that

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You don’t think people were gassing up a young Bird like they do Durant?
    YOu need to read some old articles from that time period. Bird was THE MAN after his performance in the NCAA tournament, and was easily one of the most hyped young players ever. When he took Boston to a title so early in his career, the hype went crazy.
    Anyway, I’m not comparing Durant to Bird, I’m just talking about his current skill set.
    He does as many things on the floor as Carmelo, and nobody in their right mind would consider Westbrook and Carmelo on the same level.

  • LA Huey

    I wanted to get your guys’ opinion on this: Windhorst came out with an article today hyping Wade as clearly MVP candidate than LeBron and pointed primarily at his recent string of numbers as is case. It’s hard for me to put one over the other. Across the board, their contributions are nearly identical. If I had to give one the edge, it’d be Bron because he’s been a better playmaker. What do you guys think?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Melo is a much bettere rebounder this year, but for their careers, Durant and Melo are about the same. And Durant’s scoring efficiency is way, WAY better.

  • LA Huey

    Also, this NYK hype is so silly. Amare can be in the MVP conversation but shouldn’t win. Barring injury, there is no rookie contending for what is rightfully The Griffin’s award.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think Windhorst still is pissed that his meal ticket jumped town and didn’t give him the scoop.
    As for MVP, Bron has been more consistent, and a much better defender. But, then again, defense doesn’t count in the MVP discussions. Also, my personal feeling is that Bron has sacrificed more of his game to improve Wade’s comfort level, but that’s just my opinion, I have no actual proof other than the games I’ve watched.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Neither player is most valuable. They diminish each other’s value. IMO LeBron has been more important to the Heat’s success as their facilitator and overall play. Wade has been their best scorer, especially in the 4th, but IMO he can’t be the MVP when he is not playing any better then one of the guys on his team.

  • JTaylor21

    Allen P, I’m talking about the immense hype KD received this offseason. I mean the way the media and people were talking about him, you would have swore his was the second coming of christ or something. Like you said yoursef, dude is on the same plane as Melo but people act like he belongs in Kb/Wade/Bron’s lane. That’s what I meant by when I said he was overrated.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I didn’t disagree with your comment on him being overrated, I just disagree with your comment on Durant and Westbrook, which you’ve made before.
    Durant being overrated, and WEstbrook being better than him are two different animals.
    And, to T-Money, Durant has hit clutch jumpers in the past. But, his one-on-one game needs some work.

  • LA Huey

    @Allenp, true. Though I don’t feel either has really sacrificed when you consider what they’ve both gained. Wade has great defender to guard the fast break when he attacks the rim with reckless abandon and Bron’s finally seeing honest defenses.

    @nbk, I feel Bron’s 3rd qtr killing sprees should count nearly as much as Wade’s act in the 4th.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah it’s a matter of preference Huey, I don’t think either is better or more important then the other with both on the roster as of right now. But I do however think if you had to take one off the Heat, it would hurt them more to lose LeBron.

  • Stepfan

    Quick question on MVP. If the Heat end up with the best record at the end of the season, do you give the MVP to Bron or Dwade? Or will there be a co-MVP?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dirk, Rose, Howard, Durant – I don’t see the MVP going anywhere else

  • T-Money

    Windy is trying very hard to distance himself from Bron and show that he didn’t get scooped up by ESPN just for covering Bron. At the same time, he got completely shut off by Bron’s circle and doesn’t have any 1vs1 access right now. There were reports circulating that Bron is very ticked off that Windy is in Miami. There’s gotta be more to the story. In any case, his articles this year have been really sh-tty compared to what he was writing for the PD.

  • T-Money

    So far, Bron has done more for Miami. They score and rebound exactly the same while Bron defends better and creates for others. It’s not something that people are talking about right now but Bron has had to finish games on Wade’s initial defensive assignment a lot. It actually happened in the last 4 games (Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis, S-Jax and John Salmons).

  • LA Huey

    @nbk, I hear you. I predict Rose or Durant, whomever’s team has the better record.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And on that note, I would like to apologize all those who participate in the voting for the annual top 50. Ya’ll had Rose very high, and for good reason, shouldn’t have questioned ya’ll on that one

  • LA Huey

    @T-Money, I’ve noticed the switch on defense too. It’s a shame that voters care more about scoring numbers than defensive presence(as a result Amare > Dwight). Also, I feel LBJ slacks/helps too much when he’s not assigned the best wing.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    If I was voting for the MVP today, I’d vote for Amar’e. POW!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-money
    We agree on windhorst.

  • Redirkulous Kidd

    That mavs get a hard-fought win last night. I hear a trade could be in the works..

  • Redirkulous Kidd

    ^**The**

  • Redirkulous Kidd

    The^

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Wilson Chandler = Future All Star

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He also equals another great draft pick by Isiah Thomas.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    CP is going to be the MVP, if NOH win more than CHI. Durant has not played like an MVP.

  • T-Money

    LA Huey: Spot on. Bron’s intensity tends to vary when he doesn’t respect the guy is covering. That’s when he starts cheating and jumping passing lanes. Put him on Jax or Paul Pierce and it’s on.

  • TheNewYorker

    I’m a Knick fan for life, and as much as I agree with Teddy about Chandler he needs to be packaged with another player and cash to get the Knicks a decent defender. It’s hard considering the pieces the Knicks have, but they need defensive help. If Iguo was healthy I’d say go after him for the 2 spot. Or get Camby back to NY and move Amare back to the four where he belongs. That will help their D. Hell, even Dalembert and his expiring deal would help them. They are one contributer away from being taken seriously.

  • JeffOG

    The Knicks are almost contenders. Almost. They need a piece or two before they can be a threat, especially in the top-heavy East.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If they move Amare to the four, where do they play Gallo?
    The market is better for a stretch four with Gallo’s potential, and I don’t know if he can consistently play the three. What do Knicks’ fans think?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Would signing T-Mac have made a big difference for the Bulls?

  • Stepfan

    @Allenp yeah T-mac could have helped, especially at the 2 spot and Drose could have resurrected his career. But the Buls organization didnt trust T-mac body aka his knees and his history of being injury prone.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    I don’t know about that. Part of the reason TMac is experiencing success in Detroit is because injuries to other players is allowing him to have the ball in his hands most of the time. He wouldn’t have that luxury in Chicago. Plus, Bulls are a defensively focused team that tries to run on offense. TMac wouldn’t fit into either of those. He’s playing well but the Bulls made the right move not signing him.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Bulls should go for Courtney Lee, Ramon Sessions, or Arron Afflalo. I’m assuming the asking price on Mayo is too high.

  • JeffOG

    Gallo would be a nice 6th man.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Diesel I heard Courtney Lee and JR Smith are the two guys they are likely going to trade for. well one of them obviously – Presumably Courtney Lee would be their first option if they can’t get a big name like Mayo (who maybe an easy acquisition because of the fight and Memphis’ realization that they don’t have the loot to resign him)

  • JeffOG

    Afflalo would be another nice pick up for the Knicks

  • TheNewYorker

    Allenp: I think it could work. It would take major adjustment and hard work but he has the ability. I’d just hate to see him go before Chandler. On another note, if you could trade coaches I’d take Byron Scott over D’Antoni. As long as he’s coach I can’t ever get my hopes up about the Knicks. His type of play will never equal a chip. Never been a fan of the Nelson/D’Antoni style of play. With a different coach and another piece or two my Knicks could be scary.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bulls fans are still sleeping on Nick Young… But I know, everybody thinks I’m crazy.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    Man, everything Allenp has said is right. EVERYTHING. If we’re not talking about Steve Nash, I think Allenp should change his name to “the basketball common sense”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That’s only because you disagree with me about Nash… I’m still right.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    I just feel iike Nick Young is undiciplined. I have no basis for this, its just my opinion. I have the same feeling for him that I do about Ben Gordon and JR Smith…he’s just out to get his.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    Haha, well if I disagree it’s not common sense. I know people have disagreed with you over other things you’ve said on here, but they are not as important as you or I.
    That is interesting what you bring up, the Carmello for Noah + scrubs trade which fell through a while ago. I gotta say, I owe Bryan Crawford a coke cause I said the Bulls would be getting a lot more L’s than they have been without Joakim holding down the middle.
    So do you think that trade would really be beneficial? Do you think they could really give Boston/Magic a run without anyone to contain their bigs? I mean, as much as Melo isn’t talked about with the big dogs in the NBA, a dude like him really doesn’t come around too often.
    Which brings me up another interesting debate: I said that the small forward class was one of the most stacked areas of NBA history (just off the top of my mind, Larry Bird, Doctor J, Scottie Pippen, John Havlicek, Rick Barry, Lebron James, Elgin Baylor, Alex English, James Worthy, Dominique Wilkins, Bernard King, Adrian Dantley, Billy Cunningham, Paul Pierce, Chris Mullin, Connie Hawkins… wow, that’s a lot of great players!). Right now, we have two players sort of on the cusp of greatness: Kevin Durant and Carmello Anthony. How far do you all think they will go, and what will they have to do to move up the list?
    Bear with me, I’m bored.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If Carmelo continues this rebounding improvement he becomes even more impresive in the all time debate, although I still think he doesn’t think his way through games enough.
    Durant is actually further from the cusp than Melo, but most people don’t see that.
    Melo’s problems are mindset and attitude based, Durant’s are skillset based.
    Think about it.
    I thought that without Noah the Bulls with Boozer and Gibson would stop no one. While they have played poor teams, they have still managed to stop a few people. Thus, losing Noah would not have made the team significantly worse as I first assumed given his defense, rebounding and intelligence.
    So, the chance to have three bonafide scorers on one team, while still being able to stop most teams looks more enticing. Rose, Melo and Boozer on the same squad would be an amazingly potent offensive lineup. We already see the impact Boozer alone is having.
    Then again, they would be better than Miami or Boston, so they would almost be stuck in the same spot they are now in a way.

  • D-Block

    People saying that the Durantula is overrated are whilin’…c’mon son. The Kobe faithful will quickly remind you how many rings he has, but I think that’s irrelevant considering that KD started off on Seattle (not a diss but yall can feel me on this one). Not saying that Durant IS better than Lebron or Kobe but to not even include him in the conversation is ludicrous.

    I agree with JTaylor that the media OD’ed on him this offseason and many put some pretty lofty expectations on him, but saying things like he has a “shaky handle”…this dude is dang near 6’10 at age 22. Name a player other than Dirk, McGrady, Bron with those kind of perimeter skills and who could handle the rock like him at that size.

    I’d say that the KD craze was a combination of several factors: 1. The Decision-fans everywhere now hated Lebron for the first time because of his public display of arrogance 2. KD’s humility-even after winning the Naismith as a freshman in college, rookie of the year, leading a youthful, upstart team in OKC within one offensive rebound of beating the 2 time defending champion Lakers, KD is one of the humblest young stars of the decade, 3. leading the league in scoring in his third season (30ppg), 4. the World Championships in 10′.

    Also, with the steady emergence of Westbrook and other role players such as Harden (namely those whose roles weren’t as vital last season), you can say that KD doesn’t have to put up MONSTER numbers every night for OKC to have a good season anymore. I do recognize that Kobe, LBJ, and KD are usually brought up when discussing who the league’s best player is, but although I am not biased (none of them are my favorite player), I do have the opinion that Kobe is the best player right now, however, that all could change very soon. Bottom line: the Durant hype IS warranted!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    Nick Young is undisciplined, but he’s still young and he’s grown.
    I think Affalo would be good, defintely an upgrade from what you all have now, but I don’t know if he has the scoring chops you really need. Mayo obviously would be the best fit, but what do the Bulls have to offer Memphis for him?
    Nick Young can put the ball in the hole in a variety of ways, and if Thibodeau can make Boozer and Rose decent defenders, he can do the same with Young. Trust me, Young is no worse than Boozer on defense, and that hasn’t killed the Bulls yet.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I agree with Allen on Carmelo and his rebounding. His improvement in that area has turned him from Glenn Robinson II to a legit superstar. On the other hand, I want to know if the Knicks still haven’t beat anyone good. I typed a comment earlier, unfortunately my stupid phone won’t post on here. I agree with Eboy almost completely on the Knicks, but I think they’re actually going to get better as the season moves on and will eventually be a tough out come playoff time. They’re still going to go out, but it’s not going to be as easy as everyone thinks. Wilson Chandler is so slept on it’s ridiculous. That dude is getting better every day and I think, given the chance can be a legit second star for the Knicks. He does everything you want from a guy, good defender, solid rebounder , can hit the three, take it to the hole, has a very nice mid range J and is only getting better. Once he gets consistent and realizes he can score on just about anybody it’s gonna be huge. The best part is that he’s smart, every time TP switched on him last night, he took him right down in the post and made them pay for it.

  • LA Huey

    Bulls want to keep Noah. Boozer and Taj have done a great job holding it down right now but a guy like Noah is something you need in the playoffs.

  • JTaylor21

    DBlock, when I say KD’s overrated, I’m not implying that he’s garbage, I mean he’s a great player but he’s not as great as people think. If you think about; is he really even better than Melo? Didn’t bron drop 27ppg in his second season and put up 31.4ppg in his third. So when people act like what KD did last year was groundbreaking, take a look back a couple of years and you will see that he doesn’t even come close to young Bron’s numbers. KD- Great player but not a once in a generation type player.

  • JTaylor21

    Whatching T-Mac play, he reminds you every now and then how great he was in his prime and the endless possibilites he could have achieved career wise. Dude’s passing ability is downright filthy, he still possess a great handle, he’s jumpshot is still good and he has a little lift left in those cranky knees. In his absolute prime, dude was the best player in the L hands down. No one in the L could do what he did; the mix of scoring ability, court vision, ball handling ability, and shutdown defensive skills (when he felt like playing D of course) was unmatched. Damn I miss 100% healthy T-Mac and I shed a tear whenever I think of what could have been.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @JTaylor21:
    Keep procuring that knowledge to the masses. Doing your thing.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    Who woulda been better without injuries: T-Mac or G-Hill?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Tracy.

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, that’s really hard to pick. I mean GHill was putting up Larry Legend type numbers at 6-8, so it would be really tough. I would take T-Mac though because he was a better scorer, passer, and finisher while GHill was a better rebounder and probably mid-range shooter. T-Mac though wins out because you just can’t find many 6-8 ambidextrous SFs (dude could finish with his left as well as his right) who could do the things he could do on a nightly basis.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    JTaylor: Was T-Mac a better passer than Hill? I mean, my memory says yes, I remember T-Mac passing like a point… but Hill’s assists numbers are much better than T-Mac’s. Hill put up 7 assists a game at one point. Hill’s defense is also much better than McGrady’s.
    McGrady was a ludicrously better scorer though, like, ten points a game better scorer.
    It’s a hard one. I was going to give it to T-Mac, but after looking at the numbers, I guess I’d have to give it to Hill.

  • TheNewYorker

    Tracy because of his athleticsm and ball handling.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I remember both and the answer is Tmac, and that’s not even close to a slight on Hill. Both HOF level talents, but Mac just had that cold blooded feel to him. Never had enough talent around him.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Great question, Jukai.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    I gotta say, after all my defending Nash, I just might stop. He has p*ssied out in three straight games. If he doesn’t want to be the man, I can see why he doesnt want to be traded.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    I would take grant hill every single time. Defense, rebounding, and basketball iq are all IMO more important than mcgrady’s superior scoring and playmaking ability. (grant was also better in the confinds of an offense. Mcgrady’s was a product of the iso generation. Or the Michael Jordan effect)

  • http://www.twitter.com/HurstySYD Hursty

    Kap – John Salmons seasonal stats:
    14 pts (1.3 3′s), 3.5 boards, 3.3 assists, 1 steal, 0.3 blocks, 2 turnovers.
    Over the last month:
    16.6 pts (1.7 3′s), 3.8, 3.6, 1.1, 0.3, 2.1
    2 reasons for his improved numbers:
    1, getting healthy, remember he missed all of training camp and pre-season from injury.
    2, Jennings’ injury and Doolings and Boykins inability to create for team-mates, means Salmons is forced to do more.
    Plus, if you actually WATCH the Bucks games, you’ll see he’s moving better and is more explosive.

  • Justin

    LOL@comparing Durant to Bird. You do come up with some good ones JTaylor. Why don’t you make the comparison after Durant has been in the league 5 more years? Also, when you say “You people act like you haven’t seen a 6’10″ player like this” and then bring up Larry Bird, you’re sort of helping Durant’s cause. You have to go back and find a player who’s been retired for close to 20 years to find another player like Durant?

  • Justin

    In his prime, and when healthy, I think TMac was a very good defender and could have been a great one. He also had more of a scorer’s mentality while Grant Hill could look to score but also looked for teammates a bit more. I remember when he first came into the league and people were making the inevitable comparisons to Michael but as it turned out his game was more like Scottie Pippen’s. Overall a very tough call but I’ll give a slight edge to Hill

  • http://www.slamonline.com Anon e Mouse

    Damn missed a great conversation here. You all must have forgotten what G Hill was really about. Just my opinion but I’d take Hill by a long margin. That comparison is like Duncan (Hill) to Garnett (TMac). Hill had much better fundamentals and yes he was athletic as hell! @ Bryan please go back and look at some highlights cos if TMac is Cold blooded the we should just call Grant Hill “The Reptile”. Seriously dude just because you are a nice guy doesn’t mean you’re any less cold blooded.

    Oh and I agree with much of Eboys summary of the Knicks. I said in another post that I’d be happy just to get to the playoffs and be competitive in round 1. Don’t expect to get any further but the experience will be huge for us after the wilderness years.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Saying that the gap between Duncan and Garnett is huge looks completely ridiculous right now.
    Now that KG has been teamed with a real coach(Eff you Flip) and solid teammates, his team is a constant championship contender.
    It appears that when Garnett fans like myself complained that Duncan kept having more team success because he had a better TEAM it was correct. When given talent, Garnett has produced and Duncan has ALWAYS had more talent than Garnett.
    Provide some proof that this is incorrect.

  • mister-8

    I always find this who’s better question funny. You guys say Tmac is better, okay. But would you rather go to war with Tmac or GHill? I would always pick GHill (and so would a large number of coaches I think), he’s just a winner in my book, Tmac….not so much.
    Also…I do think Nick Young would help the Bulls.
    As a last note: I would like to thank god for league Pass…can’t describe what it’;s like to suddenly be able to watch ALL basketball games overhere in Amsterdam, 15 years ago, I had to pick up the “herald tribune” fore boxscores….THANK YOU!

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